Free Range Naturism

Naturism => Factory Farmed Naturism => Topic started by: Rebus on January 11, 2018, 03:03:21 AM

Title: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Rebus on January 11, 2018, 03:03:21 AM
I just signed the petition on Change.org: "Shut Down the Petition to Shut Down the Nude Sliding Event.” I think this is important. Will you sign it too?

Here’s the link, with the details:
https://www.change.org/p/change-org-shut-down-the-petition-to-shut-down-the-nude-sliding-event?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_campaign=triggered&share_context=signature_receipt&recruiter=27922274 (https://www.change.org/p/change-org-shut-down-the-petition-to-shut-down-the-nude-sliding-event?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_campaign=triggered&share_context=signature_receipt&recruiter=27922274)

Thanks,
Scott
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Davie on January 11, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
This has been running on the BN site for a few days now and quite a few of us have signed the petition

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: dbwvogel on January 16, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
I also signed, and was frustrated to hear of the cancellation. I don't know Canadian law, but I presume terroristic threats are against the law and should be investigated and punished - is that not true? I would hope that a new date for the swim could be scheduled, perhaps without the international publicity...
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Peter S on January 16, 2018, 04:31:28 PM
Fully agree, though one comment piece about it that I read highlighted that this was actually a new group which, instead of taking a softly-softly approach to its first event, blasted its invitation loud and clear. As a result the ninnies and prudes were spooked and went into their usual panic, knee-jerk reaction ("what about the children!!!") which of course provoked the internet trolls to threaten violence and mayhem. If the group had been more low-key (it was argued) everything would have probably gone off peacefully.

On the one hand that sounds like blaming the victim, which is certainly not my intent. On the other hand, the organisers could have been more circumspect and foreseen the reaction of uneducated.

Just a shame that it's started off so badly, leaves them a lot of ground to make up if they want to try again. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that it starts a conversation and does actually educate a few of the numpties.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: nuduke on January 20, 2018, 08:43:23 PM

Nice looking pool!


So did the prurient petitioners get their way - was the event cancelled?


John
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Peter S on January 21, 2018, 07:35:22 AM
Yes. The official reason for the cancellation was protesters threatening to turn up on the night and damage vehicles in the car park. The nude swim at Edmonton offered sanctuary and had a sellout night.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on January 24, 2018, 01:10:37 AM
Yes. The official reason for the cancellation was protesters threatening to turn up on the night and damage vehicles in the car park. The nude swim at Edmonton offered sanctuary and had a sellout night.


Not PC to talk about the actual reason.   

Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Peter S on January 25, 2018, 07:44:54 AM
Welcome back, Bob, I was only this morning thinking we hadn’t heard from you in a little while. Hope you’re well.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: ddoger on January 25, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Not PC to talk about the actual reason.

Hi everyone.  Long time since I've logged in.  Read just about everything though.

Being from Canada and only a few hours from where all this is going on, I've been following this story and from what I understand, the reason the event was cancelled was because of a bomb threat.  Apperantly the Mayor was upset that the event was cancelled and is hoping the group will reschedule soon.

The pool is a great place to go to.  Our family has gone there many times and thoroughly enjoyed it.  It would be a great place to have a naturist event.
Cheers
Ddoger
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on January 25, 2018, 03:53:44 PM
Welcome back, Bob, I was only this morning thinking we hadn’t heard from you in a little while. Hope you’re well.


Its been so cold and nasty this winter that I haven't felt like doing any free range naturism and my thoughts were on Facebook and elsewhere.  Then my tech things became problems.  My PC began having momentary black screen problems, and Microsoft gave me a pop-up that told me every day that "VISTA is no longer supported" so I have to upgrade. 

I usually delete spam mail from Tiger Direct, a mail order computer company, but I started noticing them.  One of their mails had a "factory refurbished" PC with twice as much memory and twice as much hard drive space as most of the ones I usually see for sale.  As a "refurbished" model it was less than $400 so I ordered one.  I remembered when I had a purchasing job as computer buyer I bought a 1 Terabyte data storage for over a million dollars.  It occupied a whole room.  My new PC has 2 Terabytes. 

It didn't come with a monitor but I had an extra flat screen 40 inch TV because my MIL died a year ago.  After 30 years of squinting at little PC screens the 40 inch screen is AWESOME!!  My 2nd screen is still a typical PC size screen but its so small by comparison I almost never use it for anything.   I spent a couple days copying all my data to a thumb drive and then to my new PC which I set up on the kitchen table, and installing useful software like Firefox, Open Office, etc. etc.  Finally I was ready.  I unplugged my old PC, cleaned behind my desk, sorted all the wires, and installed the new tech.  WOWsers!   I sat down to go back on-line enjoying my new BIG screen window on the world.  Then I discovered I hadn't copied all my Firefox links.  OOPS!   

So I set my old PC up on the kitchen table, plugged in one of the small screens, mouse, keyboard, etc.  NOTHING!  It would not boot.  The whirring noise of its hard drive was gone, silent.  Just the front power light.  No hard drive noise.   No blue screen.  Nothing.  The temporary blackouts had become permanent.  Its not even heavy enough to use as a boat anchor.  I was glad I got most of my data copied before it failed entirely.  But that left me without most of my LINKS and no easy way to recover them.

About the same time my gas heat died, and then the music system failed.  Its been a winter full of struggles and too cold outside to do any free range enjoyment. 

Anyway I finally got around to thinking about nudist web sites again so I'm back checking in.  I love the big screen.  My entire 20 year collection of pictures, music, and data fit on one 64G thumb drive and I now have 2 Terabytes to play with.  I suppose that is for recording video.  Did I say I love the big screen.  I have a nude selfie for background on the big screen.  Makes me want to go out in the woods. 

Have fun guys.   

Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: nuduke on January 27, 2018, 04:53:12 PM

Ah Bob,
You seem to have been suffering from 'shit happens' a fair bit.  So sorry to hear that and pleased you have triumphed in the struggle to get back here on line!  Let us hope the onset of spring will bring also the entry into a period of zen-like calm and nirvana-like fulfillment!


Just shows how dependent we all are on our technology.  Nowadays I almost fear being parted from it!  I rely on my tech pieces for communication, contacts and calendar and sometimes sit and worry what would happen if I lost e.g. my calendar which is hosted online.  However, I back up PC and phone onto a separate hard disk and have to an extent diversified where stuff is held so there is a bit of insurance (although not a lot) against the demise of one of PC, tablet, phone or laptop. No protection at all from such stuff as a serious cyber attack on Microsoft, Google or Facebook's servers.


I have 2 x 20" screens.  That's big enough for me!!  But then I'm not in the USA!  :D ;D ;)


John
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on January 27, 2018, 08:00:01 PM
When I went back to college, I got a large Sony TV for a monitor and put it on my coffee table. I sit on the couch in comfort, my desk spread around me. Remember Hugh Hefner in his silk jams with paper crap and food all over his bed?

I have Netflix and Youtube if we want to kick back. All of the images, like when I work on my trip reports, are nice and big. My contact lenses are arranged/prescribed for the proximity of the screen and reading. When I split the screen to work, the images are not a squint.

To me, it is reminiscent of my boyhood dreams of the future, when I watched George Jetson reading his news on a big screen comfortably in his lounger chair.

I think it is easier on my eyes. It is certainly easier on the neck and back to not be bent over in a tight position for hours. looking down or up in poor posture. I tend to have an inertia problem though and have to sometimes work at getting off my nude ass and moving properly. I fortunately have enough stimulating reasons to do that.

When I'm at DF's place, on her couch, a laptop on my outstretched legs, my spine curled over, it is a very big difference.

I'm working out a music stand for posture when reading books, now, too.
Jbee
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on January 27, 2018, 11:31:11 PM

I have 2 x 20" screens.  That's big enough for me!!  But then I'm not in the USA!  :D ;D ;)
John


That's what I always thought too, John, until i plugged in the 40 inch screen.  I had 2  20 inch screens on my old Vista PC.  The 40 inch screen has as much space as 4 of those, and all in one space.   I still have one of the older 20 inch screen sitting next to the big 40 inch, but Sheeeesh, its so small I never use it for anything.    Drag a window over there and is shrinks down to squint your eyes size.  And big beautiful photos are wonderful on the big screen.

My 40 inch screen was made in Korea or somewhere.  Its not a USA thing.  I'm sure you can get one too if you try.  Loving it.

Bob
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: nuduke on February 01, 2018, 09:50:21 PM

Yes Bob, I can assure you that a sufficient degree of civilisation has alighted at the UK to mean that any Supermarket or Electrical store will have PC screens and LED/Plasma/Oled TV screens up to about as big as my car (we do tend to prefer rather smaller cars in the UK - I drive a Honda CRV).  I have to say that very large screens (my brother has a 55") I find a bit too panoramic.  Mind you, a 50" screen showing a complex spreadsheet must be quite awesome!  However, 2 x 20" suffices for me.  I just measured the distance from me to the screens whilst sitting at desk typing...it's 30".  Would a 40" screen make me have to keep leaning back to make it out?


Quote
Remember Hugh Hefner in his silk jams with paper crap and food all over his bed?
The difference being no silk pyjamas for you, Jbee!

John
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2018, 04:04:10 AM

  However, 2 x 20" suffices for me.  I just measured the distance from me to the screens whilst sitting at desk typing...it's 30".  Would a 40" screen make me have to keep leaning back to make it out?


Quote
Remember Hugh Hefner in his silk jams with paper crap and food all over his bed?
The difference being no silk pyjamas for you, Jbee!

John
A 32 inch screen at 40 inches is a good size for me.
Jbee
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Rebus on February 19, 2018, 05:46:12 PM
So I set my old PC up on the kitchen table, plugged in one of the small screens, mouse, keyboard, etc.  NOTHING!  It would not boot.  The whirring noise of its hard drive was gone, silent.  Just the front power light.  No hard drive noise.   No blue screen.  Nothing.  The temporary blackouts had become permanent.  Its not even heavy enough to use as a boat anchor.  I was glad I got most of my data copied before it failed entirely.  But that left me without most of my LINKS and no easy way to recover them.

If you still have the old computer you can remove the hard drive and install it in the new computer.  It will then be a secondary data drive and all the data you had before will be available again.  It can then also be used as a backup drive.  When you dispose of the old computer you don't really want to hand over the hard drive anyway as someone else could get your data.  Based on your description of the symptoms, the hard drive in the old computer is still fine.  If it failed the computer would still POST and give an error message to the effect of the boot device could not be found.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on February 21, 2018, 07:24:08 AM
Yup, that's what my son did to mine last week.
Jbee
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on February 22, 2018, 02:41:52 PM

If you still have the old computer you can remove the hard drive and install it in the new computer. 


I looked at that.  I didn't seem an easy install.  The motherboard and cables have changed. It was probably possible but not easy for me.  So I trashed the dead computer.  Its unlikely that someone will post my photos on-line, but if they do I'm not shy. 

Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on February 23, 2018, 03:48:07 AM
Yea, the change did require a newer cable.
Jbee
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: nuduke on February 27, 2018, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Bob
Its unlikely that someone will post my photos on-line

True, but what about banking and personal credentials?  On the several occasions I have had to change computer since my first (c.1985) I have taken out the hard drive and smashed it with a hammer, put it in a bonfire (only once) or just kept it...for years...and years...and years....zzzzz

Tiny John
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on February 28, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Bob
Its unlikely that someone will post my photos on-line

True, but what about banking and personal credentials?  On the several occasions I have had to change computer since my first (c.1985) I have taken out the hard drive and smashed it with a hammer, put it in a bonfire (only once) or just kept it...for years...and years...and years....zzzzz

Tiny John


I did that with a laptop once.  I got tiny shards of glass all over my floor that were very hard to clean up.   

When I plugged it in the hard drive would not go around.  Maybe that was the power supply, and maybe it was a dead hard drive.   Hard drives are "moving parts" so their failure rate is much higher than motherboards or power supplies.  There was a high probability that the hard drive of my dead computer could not be plugged into another computer and read.  Back when I had a job they were always reminding us to backup our data because our DELL brand computers had enough hard drive failures that it was significant a problem.  The disks are kept in sealed metal boxes to prevent dust from eating them up, but the fail rate is still high. 

A failed hard drive could theoretically be taken apart and repaired, or the disks taken out and installed in another drive of similar kind.  That assumes that the disks themselves did not get scratched or damaged during the drive failure.  And it would take a serious trained professional computer tech with a room full of spare parts to find the right kind of drive to match my old disks.

And what would that accomplish if it were done?  There are easier ways for criminals to find out my name and address.  My password on sites like this could be obtained if they spent hours looking.  Besides, I'm old, and not involved in high money deals.  Its not worth the time and money to steal my data.  I'm not the one they want.

Bob

Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: JOhnGw on February 28, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
The forensic and data recovery professionals have techniques for recovering data from all sorts of dead drives, including data that has been overwritten in some cases.
However, you need to be either already on the authorities radar or prepared to pay the recovery boys a shed-full of cash for them to go to work on your drives. Criminals will probably simply move on to easier victims.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on March 01, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
Criminals will probably simply move on to easier victims.

That's the crux of it.  There are tens of millions of dead computers discarded every year.  Sorting through that mountain of trash to obtain some useful information isn't worth the effort.  So its relatively safe for most people.   
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Nightwalker on August 17, 2018, 07:55:17 AM
My wife and I were at a festival in Edmonton, and came across a booth for the FCN (Federation of Canadian Naturists). We got to talking about the uproar in Calgary over the family nude swim nights. The fact is, they've been having these for years, if not decades. It's true that there was definitely more advertising this time round, which came to the attention of some of the more conservative elements in rural Alberta. (AB still has a bit of that old stigma of being that kind of grassroots populist. It's Canada's Texas, after all.)

I'm happy to say that the police have arrested a suspect in the threat making, a woman in a small city in Alberta. I believe she and her supporters way have been acting out of a misplaced sense of moral outrage, actually thinking they were protecting children.

If there's anything for us to learn from this, it's a reminder that naturism simply cannot live in a bubble, now more than ever. I no longer hide from friends, family or coworkers the fact that we are nudists -- and I'm amazed at how little some people know of the lifestyle. (No, naturism is not for swingers. Yes, entire families participate. No, we are not all Venuses and Adonises -- rather far from it, speaking for myself.)

Education is the key, particularly in this time of extremes. Without it, we risk being cast as a group to the fringes, or worse.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Bob Knows on August 17, 2018, 04:13:41 PM

Somebody, somewhere, is always deathly afraid that someone else might be enjoying their life.

Misery loves company. 
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on August 17, 2018, 07:12:40 PM


...I'm happy to say that the police have arrested a suspect in the threat making, a woman in a small city in Alberta. I believe she and her supporters way have been acting out of a misplaced sense of moral outrage, actually thinking they were protecting children.

If there's anything for us to learn from this, it's a reminder that naturism simply cannot live in a bubble, now more than ever. I no longer hide from friends, family or coworkers the fact that we are nudists -- and I'm amazed at how little some people know of the lifestyle. (No, naturism is not for swingers. Yes, entire families participate. No, we are not all Venuses and Adonises -- rather far from it, speaking for myself.)

Education is the key, particularly in this time of extremes. Without it, we risk being cast as a group to the fringes, or worse.
The flash point, the flaring up of fear and hysteria is always "what about the children." The effective educational key is also there. If it is okay for children, even good for children, then there is no harm. It is benign and safe.

Yes, we can't live in a bubble. Maybe, I could make a website solely to that concern called, "Children and nudity." Somewhere, I have notes to write a paper on it from college, but I changed my thesis. There is the book. It needs to be short and sweet, informative, but not too technical. Just a nice G rated ditty. An authoritive place where people would google when they have concerns. Now, where is the time?

Yea, nightwalker, speak for yourself. Underneath this exterior there is a statue of David with grandiose genitalia.  ;D

Yes, the extremes are everywhere. There is failing sense of unity. The polarization is getting worse. There is an element of fascist mentality feeling empowered and emboldened. These are elements that can be easily duped and attack us.
Jbee



Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: BlueTrain on August 17, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
It's called a moral panic and it's something that nudists (before "naturist" became the polite term) have had to put up with for the last hundred years and more. More in some years; less is some. Every variety of moral deviancy has been assigned to legitimate nudists, while at the same time, all manner of questionable behavior has thrived, from "gentlemen's clubs to government sponsored gambling, now politely called gaming, with no appreciable objection from anyone who should know better. It may be that nobody makes enough money from nudism.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Nightwalker on August 23, 2018, 10:24:04 AM
Ah, but the beat goes on:

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/skinny-dippers-rejoice-agreement-reached-to-resume-naked-swimming-events-at-calgary-pools-1.3785839
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: locksmith on April 18, 2019, 03:35:22 PM
The nude swims in Calgary still happen. I guess the protesters just don’t care anymore?  The next swim is May 5th.  Edmonton still has their swims oo. I’ve been to a couple. I don’t have much opportunity, but it’s good to get out and be socially nude with like-minded individuals.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Fishandchips on December 21, 2020, 02:54:11 PM
The nude swims in Calgary still happen. I guess the protesters just don’t care anymore?  The next swim is May 5th.  Edmonton still has their swims oo. I’ve been to a couple. I don’t have much opportunity, but it’s good to get out and be socially nude with like-minded individuals.

I thought they still did them but restricted to over 18s only. I remember 2019 Blackpool swim became the target if protests with fascist scum exposing families live in Facebook entering the premises and another one this year in Stoke gave in and banned under 18s after a protest. These places had no problems running events for years and insisted they’d continue until caving into pressure.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: MartinM on December 22, 2020, 12:15:08 AM
I thought they still did them but restricted to over 18s only. I remember 2019 Blackpool swim became the target if protests with fascist scum exposing families live in Facebook entering the premises and another one this year in Stoke gave in and banned under 18s after a protest. These places had no problems running events for years and insisted they’d continue until caving into pressure.

They caved in not so much to ‘pressure’ as to threats to their staff. I can understand them taking the safety of their staff seriously, although giving in to these kind of threats is the thin end of the wedge. The nasty bigots are bolstered and move onto their next victim.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Fishandchips on December 22, 2020, 03:20:43 AM
I thought they still did them but restricted to over 18s only. I remember 2019 Blackpool swim became the target if protests with fascist scum exposing families live in Facebook entering the premises and another one this year in Stoke gave in and banned under 18s after a protest. These places had no problems running events for years and insisted they’d continue until caving into pressure.

They caved in not so much to ‘pressure’ as to threats to their staff. I can understand them taking the safety of their staff seriously, although giving in to these kind of threats is the thin end of the wedge. The nasty bigots are bolstered and move onto their next victim.

Yes I’m sure threats to staff is a criminal offence and would like to know why they aren’t prosecuted for it. Terrorists is what they are. And as for being all for protecting the children, live streaming families attending these events knowing fine well that anyone recognising them will probably initiate their own harassment is hardly protecting them.
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Davie on December 22, 2020, 09:42:10 AM
These protesters weren't prosecuted because the Police failed to act. As a result BN made a formal complaint. I understand the Police accept offences were
committed and are now investigating. Attendees were asked by BN to submit any evidence they have from dahcams etc.

I think it's difficult for venues. Their statutory duty of care must be to their staff. With luck the storm will pass and these protesters will move on but regrettably that is not certain. Meanwhile BN is fighting back and is heavily involved in campaigning for an extension to the categories listed for those involved in hate crime.

Davie 8)
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: jbeegoode on December 24, 2020, 02:47:48 AM
Good for BN. A much better response than attacking back. Lawless behaviors manifest because there is no law there to protect and serve. What kinds of threats were made? Serious, outings, or violence? Where do these thugs originate from? Is it a church, or some organization?
Jbee
Title: Re: Nude Swim under attack by the prudes
Post by: Fishandchips on December 24, 2020, 07:18:08 AM
Good for BN. A much better response than attacking back. Lawless behaviors manifest because there is no law there to protect and serve. What kinds of threats were made? Serious, outings, or violence? Where do these thugs originate from? Is it a church, or some organization?
Jbee

There are online groups of “paedo hunters” made up of people who are sick of children being targeted for abuse online. Some of them got word of naturist swims from news promos and they went ape shit to learn children were involved. They are opposed to children taking part in any naturist activity because they “can’t consent” and believe people at these events are there for sex etc. I have seen some protestors interviews with newspapers too and they look like the losers you’d get on shows like Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer. Sorry to generalise but some seem like they have no lives if their own. Wouldn’t be surprised if many were Britain First members either.