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Title: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on September 06, 2013, 08:38:29 AM
Okay, here’s something to move traffic. We like to visit De Anza Resort in California. It is in the desert with miles and miles of hiking and trails in a unique rocky environment. We hike and when it is time or too hot, we come back and jump into the swimming pool and Jacuzzi with a cold drink. We then dance all night. Being off property is the best thing about the resort, but coming back to a clean friendly totally nude social environment certainly has great merit.

Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: Karla on September 06, 2013, 10:48:02 PM
For us that's one of the biggest differences about the highlands of Scotland the European Alps. After spending a whole day climbing and descending mountains, trudging through bog land, swatting midges and then enduring a death march back to the car, you then generally have to spend a a few hours driving back home. There are of course bed & breakfasts and hotels, but they're generally more clustered around towns and you need to be off the mountain early in order to be back before they stop serving dinner. Going back to a tent in a camp site can be far more grim though. The hotels can be expensive and the bed & breakfasts can all be booked out early in the towns if the day is rained off.

In the Alps it's lot easier to drive to a restaurant or hotel and to relax. That's if you haven't already done so on top of the mountain already. What I'd really like to do one day is to stay a week in a hut or hotel at altitude and explore the local area. The downside being though that you can be limited in your options about where to go.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on November 28, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
We have a place that we can go on Sundays, and Friday evenings. It is maintained in a backyard with a fence. There is community there, with several friends there most of the time. We sweat/sauna and pray, chant, etc. inside. There is a pool. We take turns hosting, taking care of the fires, donate wood and donate a few bucks to maintain it. It serves as a place to gather central news and events amongst the community of many common activities including making music. It is often referred to as a kind of church on Sundays. From this place other activities, some free-range naturism, unfold in other locations. The nudity is almost an after thought, but then who sweats in their clothing? Clothing is left behind in rustic cubby boxes.

This is much different than a resort of profit, factory farmed, where disparate others gather primarily as the wish to be nude and participate in activities there, often without any other interest outside.

This, I suppose, would be a reservation or safe haven, opposed to a factory farmed commodity. Besides, we sometimes arrive in just towels or a quick sundress, having spent the drive carnuding from a free-range place or a home. Clothing is often to get across the street and not upset the neighbors. So, likewise, it might be said that a factory farm has its place amongst a world in free-range.
I'm okay with that.
 
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: JOhnGw on July 22, 2015, 10:40:05 PM
As I get older and more inclined to appreciate my creature comforts, I find places like Euronat more to my liking for a pleasant naked holiday.
A rented apartment with all mod cons, a choice of about 8 cafés and restaurants, various entertainments laid on, all the shopping you need at a very reasonable premium and no need for clothing at any time.
On every occasion that I have visited the only times I have dressed were to venture off-site (and not always then).
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on October 08, 2015, 05:40:42 AM
Factory Farms and Reservations have their place, too.

The factory farmed term, the concept of being put on reservations carries with it resentment, sometimes a powerful resentment. Unmistakably, what is happening today in concern with repression of body freedom is terribly wrong.

There are the perceptions of the reality of our situation to be dealt with. I thought I’d take a stab. We have here in Arizona, the place of Cochise’ Stronghold. It is in the mountains east of here, where Cochise and his band held out, lived, hid and found sanctuary. If the native lifestyle were naturism, it would be a refuge of free range. It is like castles of old, defending themselves from intolerant cultures and greed. It occurred to me that these places were also, places of community, sharing, and freedom. Like Cochise Stronghold, the freedom to roam diminished, but there were places out there of stronghold. There are many places for this as nudists. These may be a living room, a backyard, an enclosed vehicle, a group of friends, swimming, sweating, a pay for resort. Are these ports in a storm, a hole for a rat, or bastions of freedom and truth to protect us, places to live freely with each other, learn and expand from?  We know what happened to Cochise and his band, but they did hold off the inevitable as their world shrunk; they did stay as free as they found possible. In other places, castles provided a long lived cultural, but organized situation, yet influence of the various cultures bled out, fertilizing others, while remaining intact. All of these have aspects of attitude and perception.

Free range, stealth naturism in actual nature and other environs, atavism, are in need of understanding and practice, exploration. Since it is a less social endeavor, and splintered, it needs this cyber support group to flourish. Nobody stays in the castle isolated. We are in a better position to promote and gain acceptance of our lifestyle and teach the values it gives us. We are not so locked up in a “them and us”,     here online. We are under siege, with every diverse opinion that comes through, but that is discourse and the nature intellectual learning. We also give example, and have new concepts to actively tryout. We share.
How else could this happen?

The factory farms and the reservations have their place. They are schools of social experimentation and practice, they are pretty safe, but just a step along the way. They can be thought of as bastions, or prisons. They can also be similar to the secret spot in the woods, a favorite free hiking trail, or perhaps actually hanging out in Cochise’ actual stronghold, only as a place of safe naturism, this time. It would seem that in any place that we find opportunity for body freedom, it would be this in common, even on the res.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: JOhnGw on October 08, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
A deep and reasoned approach to the contrast between free and enclosed naturism to which I can only add these previously published pictorial examples of my enjoyment of both.

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(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1214/4604535484_4c36891410.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1214/4604535484_4c36891410_b.jpg)
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: nuduke on October 08, 2015, 10:50:53 PM
Well done, jbee
Slipped in an 'atavism' there. Keep it up! :D
John
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on July 30, 2017, 05:12:50 AM
I have been a paying member of De Anza. I also have been a long time visitor. It is one of the few nudist resorts that offer nearly unlimited free range hiking. Many times I paid my five dollar parking fee, left my clothes in the car and walk off the resort into the desert. It is where I learned to hike without a net. I carried food, water and camera sometimes art supplies. Many times my dog Lucy came with me. The area has issues with border crossers. Many times I passed the border patrol. Sometimes they would ask if I saw anything unusual. Never, did they make an issue about nudity.

De Anza is one of the few nudist resorts that did not care that I was a single male, had tats and rings. As long as I showed respect for the rules and others I was A Okay. I played volley Ball in the pool and card with the long timers. The hot tub was the place to meet others.
In Montana I have no such place to go. It is up to me to find places to free range hike. To be honest I have little respect for most of the clubs. I was turned away by many. I understand many club got burned because of sexual freedoms explored in the late sixties and seventies.
The internet does not help. It has added to the confusion about sex and nudism. For every true nudist and naturist site there are 20 fakes pushing soft and hard porn and hookups.

The best I have are a few sites that are home to some likeminded thinkers. Free ranging naturists are like artists, both need support groups. The general population doesn’t understand either group. The best to be done is educate.

Image is of me climbing rock somewhere near De Anza.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on July 31, 2017, 07:01:17 AM
I'm used to seeing smooth, sandy, rounded surfaces at De Anza! There is obviously more needing to be explored.
Jbee
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: Bob Knows on July 31, 2017, 03:22:23 PM
I have enjoyed the Orient Land Trust (a.k.a. Valley View Hot Springs) in Colorado.  olt.org Its a rustic resort with natural hot (warm) springs and developed saunas, etc.  It too has virtually unlimited clothing optional hiking.  From the campground its about 10 miles and 6,000 feet up to Cottonwood Peak. I've hiked it naked a couple of time.  It cost about as much as any other resort with discounts for Naturist Assn members.   JBee and I caught up with each other there a couple years ago. Mosquitoes were unusually bad that week. 

Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on July 31, 2017, 06:06:39 PM
Orient Land Trust report can be found here:

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/07/13/orient-land-trust-part-1-a-trip-report/
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/07/17/orient-land-trust-part-2-a-trip-report/
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/07/23/orient-land-trust-part-3-a-trip-report/

De Anza:
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2015/07/31/the-naturist-society-gathering-2015-trip-report/
I'm pretty sure that there is another De Anza Report in the site and certain that there is a report yet to be published there.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: eyesup on July 31, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
Jbee has written about De Anza a few times. From what he has reported if I ever make it to a CO facility, it is probably the one I would choose.

I remember a few great reports and pictorials from De Anza on the TSNS site by Jbee. It’s where I first heard of the place.

Duane
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on July 31, 2017, 07:41:23 PM
Jbee has written about De Anza a few times. From what he has reported if I ever make it to a CO facility, it is probably the one I would choose.

I remember a few great reports and pictorials from De Anza on the TSNS site by Jbee. It’s where I first heard of the place.

Duane
They will be back, on the new site, eventually.
Jbee
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 06, 2017, 04:19:43 PM
Here another photo out side De Anza.  Area of picture is north and east.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 06, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Another picture near De Anza. Year round stream north of De Anza.
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 06, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
I agree with you completely about De Anza as I often go alone and am always welcome.  I've met a few friends there as well.  I always pay full price just to use the pool and sauna after hiking though the main reason to go is the unlimited net free hiking available.

Is the stream in Carrizo Gorge?  I've never been able to find it.  Do you have directions?

Thanks.
Jim
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: eyesup on August 07, 2017, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: freehiker
Another picture near De Anza. Year round stream north of De Anza.

Here another photo out side De Anza.  Area of picture is north and east.
De Anza sure looks inviting. But with Jbee, freehiker, and jaybirdsen’s posts, between those three, it’s getting tougher to continue to dawdle on planning a 1st trip down there! ;D
Great landscape with all that free hiking.!

Duane
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 07, 2017, 09:43:46 PM
Around mid-October would be a good time.  It is not terribly hot now yet by then the temps should be nice and the days still long enough.  I'd be happy to meet you out there and show you some of the trails.  It is not listed on the website trail guide yet a great hike is to the Carrizo Gorge overlook.  It is about 5 miles round trip so not a long one 2-3 hours.  About 600 feet elevation at the end.  Great view of the gorge and surrounding area and a couple of the train trestles from the impossible railroad project.  The nice benefit to hiking there is the pool and sauna treatment after a hike.
Jim
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 08, 2017, 06:00:22 AM
The stream you asked directions to is in the gorge. To get to it walk toward Dave's house (owner of resort) a little beyond his place there is a road that leads to the train tracks. Walk north a long the tracks. Cross a bridge keep going until you come to the first tunnel. Before the tunnel is a trail. that leads down into the start of the gorge. Note the trails is not easy to see. You can hear the water but not see it. Follow along the wall of the gorge. Keep in mind the area has cats claw and salt cedar growing. Vegetation will open up to smooth  rock floor and deep pools of water. You can walk as far as you wish in the bottom of the gorge. Palms grow farther down stream.

This photo was taken years ago. My step son used to hike with me at De Anza. This picture gives you an idea the what part of the gorge looks like down stream.  I have more pictures of the area.   
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on August 08, 2017, 07:47:18 AM
Do you hike downstream or upstream once in the gorge?
Jbee
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 08, 2017, 07:50:41 AM
Thanks for the tips.  I know exactly where you are talking about.  I usually hike the upper side on the trail just before the one by Dave's and then take it past the ruins of the old RR workers cabin and then down into the canyon past the first tunnel.  The walk back on the bridge takes a leap of faith sometimes.  Lots of questionable ties and such when crossing.  I'm glad to get to the other side. I know a couple who live out there and walk it barefoot
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 09, 2017, 04:15:50 AM
You head down stream Or you go north. Upper part of stream is chocked with salt cedar. You see that when driving into De Anza.

Yes that bridge is a ruin.

I used to share the tracks with bikers.

Here is a map.

Cheers
Freehiker (David)
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 11, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Thanks FH I know exactly where that is now.  When I've tried to find it I was always south and mired in the salt cedar.  I think I've heard there is supposed to be some artifacts around there too.  Nice that none of the residents screw with the relics and leave them for others to find, enjoy and leave alone.
Jim.

I'm behind on trip reports from there and also have to get out there soon.  Maybe next month.

Jim
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 11, 2017, 05:13:16 AM
No Jim you do not want to head south. That salt cedar marsh would be hell to walk.  I know a place where there are pottery shard and so on. Most of the naturist leave it all alone because very few venture off campus. Even fewer walk any real distance into the highland desert.

You and I were suppose to meet back in may of 2013 at De Anza for hiking. Things fell apart on my end. I am sorry for that.

Cheers
Freehiker
(David)
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 23, 2017, 01:02:08 AM
No worries David.  Maybe we can get together at some time in the future for a hike.  I do like hiking behind the hills north of the resort and encounters with other nude hikers there on those trails are more rare yet occasionally I've met another intrepid soul.  Most off campus hikers tend to choose the gorge.  I do see foot prints on the northern trail so I know it must get some use and I am assuming that is on weekends
Jim
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on August 23, 2017, 05:04:59 AM
Jay when I hike there, I rarely saw anyone north and east the camp. I hiked there for about six years. Usually two to three times a week. I would spend the day roaming the back country looking for interesting places to draw and paint. A few times I did see textiles. Once I was shot at by some fools target practicing up slope. They got the pleasure of meeting one very angry naked man. That was on an Easter Sunday. The Grandpa was covering the eyes of a little boy. I guess he did want the kid to see what angry really looks like.

My life has change form going down once a month. to never in the last three years. Each year I tell myself I will go down. Work takes most of my time.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on August 31, 2017, 12:26:42 AM
North and east there is an old mine I explored around a few times.  I found out there is still an active claim a bit further north.  I think I've seen it in the distance when hiking around out there.  I 'm going to hike out to it next time I hike that way which will probably be in a few weeks at the earliest.
Jim
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: freehiker on September 01, 2017, 05:44:02 AM
There are two place where tunneling was started. The mine you may be referring to  is near the remains of a foundation that once was a house. To the west a little is excavation in a hill. The road swings to the west of the hill. The mining was for feldspar. My maps showed the whole area as part of a wild life preserve. If you go to the flat topped butte just south and west of the towers you can find small pieces of white agate and quartz. The butte is basalt on top of sandstone. It is quite a view form the top. I saw a big horned sheep there once. You can see the sand dune from the road that goes past the radio tower. I always wanted to climb the taller mountains just north of the tower.

Have fun hiking out there bring plenty of water.

Cheers
David
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: eyesup on September 01, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
Ok, Jim & David. Enough jawboning! ;D
Someone needs to go do the hike, take some pictures and report back!

‘Course I could go there and do the same. It’s only about a 6 hr. trip for me.
Hmmmm!

Duane
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2017, 02:16:09 AM
Go fer it, Eyesup.
Jbee
Title: Re: A time and place for a resort
Post by: jaybirdsen on October 17, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
I think I'll be heading out to De Anza next weekend 28th or 29th if anyone wants to join me for a hike or two. Maybe some volleyball in the pool afterward.  The afternoon game starts at 2.  My email is jaybirdsen81@yahoo.com