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Title: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Bob Knows on December 28, 2018, 03:36:23 PM
I copied this link from Facebook.   Parts of it are insulting and bigoted but it is quite positive about getting naked.  Every naked helps.

https://www.facebook.com/bbccomedy/videos/337115390412572/UzpfSTEwMDAwMjUyNjExMDk4NjpWSzoyMzkzMTY3NzYwNzI0OTM3/?multi_permalinks=2393167760724937&notif_id=1546004631057547&notif_t=group_activity

Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: nuduke on December 28, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
That's pretty true I think!  Somewhat biased, yes, but it seems to be a BBC video so imbued with the British sense of irony and satire for which the swedes are not much known! :D
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Davie on December 28, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
... and all along I thought the Finns were the main sauna proponents. Still I'm only one of those poor Britons

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 28, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Have more Swedes come to America than Americans have gone to Sweden?
Is there summer in Britain?
Do all Swedes drive Volvos (now that Saab have gone extinct)?
What is the language spoken in Britain (I've been there and did not understand anyone)?
Are all Swedes blond?
Is Evelyn really a man's name in Britain?
Are Swedes as friendly as they were in the video?
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Peter S on December 29, 2018, 11:49:57 AM
Q: Have more Swedes come to America than Americans have gone to Sweden?
A: Pass - one for the American passport office?

Q: Is there summer in Britain?
A: Yes, but sometimes it pretends to be winter

Q: Do all Swedes drive Volvos (now that Saab have gone extinct)?
A: No, they drive German and Japanese like everyone else

Q: What is the language spoken in Britain (I've been there and did not understand anyone)?
A: Britain has several different parts, each inflecting the language differently to disguise it from each other. Nominally it is English. What do Americans speak these days?

Q: Are all Swedes blond?
A: Using ABBA as a template, three-quarters of them.

Q: Is Evelyn really a man's name in Britain?
A: It has been used for both in the past, but only male among the upper classes in the hopes of getting into Great Aunt Evelyn's will.

Q: Are Swedes as friendly as they were in the video?
A: Only the friendly ones stopped to be filmed, the rest told the cameraman to f*** off!
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 29, 2018, 02:14:01 PM
I'm so grateful that someone replied and even answered my questions. I was afraid I'd wasted the 46 seconds of thought that I put into it.

To answer the question that you answered one of my questions with, concerning what Americans speak: since I am an American and reasonably fluent in the native tongue, I can say we speak Americanish, not English. In fact, during the world wars, there was a big push to get everyone to speak American(ish). There were even laws passed making it illegal to teach a foreign language. I don't know if that extended to Spanish or not, since technically, it isn't foreign. Almost but not quite. Spanish Spanish is but not American Spanish. So, no more Texas German or Pennsylvania Dutch and so on. There are different American accents, of course, three basic ones. As it happens, the point where they all come together is very near here, I think maybe about 35 miles to the west of where I live, although the point seems to be shifting, just like magnetic north. Generally speaking, most Americans can understand most other Americans without the aid of a translator but some Americans who grew up across the street from one another don't (or won't) understand one another.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: MartinM on December 29, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
Don’t some indigenous Americans still speak their own languages, despite all the attempts to eliminate these in the late 19th and 20th centuries? I am sure it is a disappearingly small number compared with either American English or Spanish, but with a much longer pedigree in the land.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 29, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
Yes, that's true. There was even a movie made about one of them, Navaho Indians in WWII who transmitted messages in the clear but in their own language. Most immigrants, however, make the effort to learn English sooner or later. The kids pick it up effortlessly. They say that America is where languages come to die.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: nuduke on December 30, 2018, 06:52:12 PM

I don't believe you couldn't understand us Brits, Blue Train!
We ain't so different.  Maybe you were in Scotland and didn't realise it - some people in Glasgow and Aberdeen do speak nearly a foreign language it seems.  Or North Wales where lots of people speak Welsh and so no surprises if you didn't understand that! 


But in Slaithewaite, ey up tha kno's, we yarn in t' England
t'semm as thee yanks
.  In t'Yorkshire we call a spade a shitty shovel and no mistake!  So put wood in t'oil and sitthee.  'Ast 'ad thee tea?  Pity, we've good 'nd swathed ours already tha kno's, we was fair clemmed.  Wilt tha fettle a breadcake and some parkin wi' a mash?  Gradely lad!*


Yes there are a few differences here and there!!


John


*let me know if you want a translation!
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: jbeegoode on December 30, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
I don't know Nuduke, if I want a translation. That sounds kinda nasty... :-\...

...I hiked an Inca trail in Bolivia with a couple of hipsters from London. When they spoke together, I rarely understood them. A combination of slang and accent.
Jbee
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 30, 2018, 08:19:25 PM
I remember the old BOAC TV advertisements, "Come to Britain; We speak your language."
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: nuduke on December 31, 2018, 01:15:14 AM
 So here is a translation of the Yorkshire dialect speech earlier:
 
- But in Slaithewaite,: [Town in Yorkshire pronounced Slowwitt]
- ey up: [form of address as in 'Hello there!'
- tha kno's,: [Abbreviated archaic English usage - Thou Knowest i.e. you know]
- 'twe :[that we]
- yarn :[tell stories]
- in t' England: [t' is an abbreviation for 'the' as in 't' Statue of Liberty']
- t'semm: [The same.   The t' abbreviation is as above, 'semm' is phonetically spelled dialect pronunciation of 'same' thus 'The same']
- as thee yanks: [as you Americans].   
- In t'Yorkshire we call a spade a shitty shovel and no mistake! : [apart from use of abbreviated t' for 'the', I think this is fairly self explanatory description for 'plain speaking'.  And no mistake' is a suffixed phrase for emphasis].
- So put wood in t'oil :[Colloquialism for close the door:  'Put wood' - place the wood or door, 'In t'oil' - in the hole (pronounced oil) or door space]
- and sitthee. : [and 'sit thee' i.e. the imperative case - 'sit down']
- 'Ast 'ad thee tea? : [Have (Hast) you (thou) had your (thee=thy i.e. your) tea - 'tea' being the working class main meal of the day called dinner by other classes but eaten around 6pm traditionally as the head of the household arrived home after a hard day down t' pit (mine).  The use of the word tea or dinner for the main evening meal of the day is still a residual social divider between working and middle classes.  Working class people say dinner for the midday meal  which more refined' social groups call lunch or luncheon]
- Pity, we've good 'nd swathed ours already : ['and swathed'=  Eaten.  I made this up! I couldn't remember the actual dialect!!  This is an old joke about the parsimonious Yorkshireman that declines to offer his guest any food as the family meal has already been concluded, implying that the host is not prepared to prepare a further repast for the guest.]
- tha kno's, :['tha = thou, knows= know hence you know]
- we was fair clemmed.: [we were very hungry - I can't recall if clemmed is more connoted with tired than hungry]
- Wilt tha : [wilt = will tha = abbreviation for thou i.e. you]
- fettle : [to make or consume, I could also have used neck fro swallow or eat]
- a breadcake : [a soft white bread roll.  Something like a biscuit in the USA or a burger bun perhaps.  Bread used to make a convenient and rapidly prepared sandwich]
- and some parkin: [parkin = a dense sponge cake made with molasses and ginger that is usually associated with Yorkshire]
- wi' a mash? : [a mash = a pot/cup/drink of tea also called a brew]
- Gradely lad!: [Gradely is an expression of adequacy or prowess = good or splendid, Lad is a young man or at least younger than the interlocutor although quite aged friends may call eachother lad or m'lad = my lad or owd lad = old lad]
 
So the sentence is:
But in our town in England (Slaithwaite), you see, we tell our tales in the same language as you Americans.  In Yorkshire we are plain speaking.  So, come in, close the door and do join us. Have you had your evening meal?  We have had ours already, you know, as we were extremely hungry.  However, could you eat a sandwich and some ginger sponge cake with a cup of tea?  Jolly good, my friend.
 
Just the same language, isn't it?
 
John
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 31, 2018, 01:59:25 AM
You'd be surprised, perhaps only mildly, at how English is spoken in this country and how it is so different from place to place. Not only the accent but the vocabulary. The talking heads on television (not the politicians) generally have no accents because TV people aren't supposed to be from anywhere.

I think people tend to vary their accents, some of them, to suit the occasion and the audience. And I swear some people exaggerate their accents sometimes, mainly for the effect, usually comic, provided the audience is speaking precisely the same language. Naturally, there are those who will speak down to others, if you follow me, to demonstrate to the unwashed how much better they are. I'm certain nothing like that happens in Britain.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: John P on December 31, 2018, 05:42:48 AM
Making an effort to add some relevance here--a number of years ago a gentleman from Glasgow found his way to the Eastern Naturist Gathering. My wife and I made an honest effort to communicate with him, but even when he spoke as slowly and as clearly as he could, we usually failed to get what he was talking about. It was embarrassing for all of us.

Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: ric on December 31, 2018, 05:42:50 PM
England used to be awash with local dialects and accents,. They're pretty much dieing out now.  When I was knee high to a grass hopper you'd still come across folk who had never been more than 20 miles from home and never watched TV.   Now TV has thrust London English on us and the local variations, especially in words rather than accent, have all but died out.

And them red squiggly lines and spell checkers are trying to kill off locallised spelling variations, mind you predictive text is probably adding some new ones.

It's the Geordie accent I have difficulty with.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: nuduke on December 31, 2018, 08:17:39 PM

Quote from: Blue Train
[font=]I'm certain nothing like that happens in Britain. [/font]

[font=]On no, no,no,no,no...never!  Well, hardly ever....well all the time actually! :)[/font]

[font=]I concur with everything in ric's last post.  Dialects are dying out because of modern intercommunication and the belief that a broadly accent-less and dialect-less pronunciation (i.e. a certain standard pronunciation which has no regional origin ...but where did it come from in the first place!?) maximises intelligibility to the greater number.  Happily there is still a considerable divergence of accent across our little island although again less than it used to be, as ric observes.[/font]

[font=]see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_English[/font]

[font=]John[/font]
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: nuduke on December 31, 2018, 08:23:32 PM

I just tried to modify the previous post to remove all the tedious extraneous font changes which I often experience and I got an error 403 message that I was forbidden to post.  Anybody know why that happens?

John

PS this PS is a modification to see
if it happens again!
PPS Nope it's fine now!  Odd interlude!
PPPS Nope nope - it still won't let me modify that particular message.  Odd.  maybe it's something to do with the hyperlink.
The error message is
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You don't have permission to access /forum/index.php on this server.[/font]
 
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Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.[/font][/color]
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on December 31, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
Languages are living things. Some die, the rest evolve and change. English (and Americanish) is one of the few languages that lacks an academy of learned men (of course it would be men) who tell everyone how something should be pronounced, spelled and used. Mind you, everyone goes about speaking their language however they please, so they may as well not have any of those academies. It is true that there are attempts to make everyone speak more or less the same language, with varying degrees of success, usually based on the number of speakers but not always. In China, Mandarin is the officially preferred language; in the U.S., English is the dominant language, though not officially so; in Latin America, it's Spanish, except in Brazil. It is remarkable that many people in Latin America learn Spanish in school, not at home. It is complicated because language gets caught up in culture and nationalism.

But none of that has anything to do with getting naked. Or nude.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Peter S on January 01, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
John ND, surely it’s obvious where our accent homogenisation came from? Our old friends at the BBC! Their early insistence on “posh” accents, and radio presenters sitting in blank studios wearing evening dress set the tone for decades. Even now people see fit to comment if anything resembling a regional accent sullies the airwaves. Such a national influence on everything people listened to, later watched, for so many years was bound to weed out much of the regionality, and dispersal of the working population took care of the rest.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: ric on January 01, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
There's definitely a lot more population movement now. When I was a kid in the 60s in rural Somerset it was normal to expect school leavers to get employment within a 20 mile radius of home.  There were people about who'd never been more than 20 miles away in their life..... Indeed they reckoned some of the old boys had never been out the parish.

My daughter,s just spent 18months in Holland.  Youngest son is intending to do a year at a Spanish University next year. 
The ability to home study other languages via the Internet is also having an effect.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Davie on January 01, 2019, 12:39:08 PM
I think we are also more international in our outlook. My parents had no friends outside the UK apart from three elderly sisters who were distant relatives in the US. With increased travel opportunities and the internet we have friends in Germany, France India, New Zealand and the US. My wife was born less than five miles from where we live whilst I was born in North Wales I now live in Brum. My son is in Scotland and my daughter in the west country, local compared to where many offspring end up

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on January 01, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
I'm on the internet a lot; in fact I am right now. Anyway, I don't think I have any friends anywhere, much less on the internet. It is true that I have exchanged personal messages with a few people on the internet on limited subjects, all nudity-related, and even met and had lunch with one of them, but I don't count them as friends, merely virtual acquaintances.

Americans have generally always been more mobile than people in the old country, as Europe, the Middle East and the British Isles are generally referred to. That's the East Coast. The West Coast had immigrants from Asia, too, but I don't know if they say "the old country." That's how the country was populated. We're all immigrants, in a sense. Oh, there were already people living in the New World but we either killed them, made them move or, in Latin America, made them peons. But there have been pockets of people who basically lived on what we called the frontier who were bypassed while others kept going, all the way to California and Oregon. One writer, referring to those living in the Southern Appalachians (mountain range) as "our contemporary ancestors." Eventually, I suppose the migration slowed down and fewer people moved around so much. Even so, our so lives in California (we live in Virginia) and our daughter lives about a hundred miles away in another state, so I guess the general theory still holds. The running joke in the family is that some of the children want to move as far away from their parents as possible. One even made it to Hawaii. Another lives in, of all places, Kabul, Afghanistan. He's the footloose one in the family; even married someone from Serbia. He still wouldn't settle down and they divorced.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: jbeegoode on January 01, 2019, 07:58:34 PM
Spanish in South America is Castilliano. Castilian. Some of it still very pure being isolated for centuries. Scholars go there to study it because it is more pure than in Spain. Still, I would travel in South Am. in the 70's from town to town. I'd just get the jist of the local language and then, in the next little place down the road, I'd have to tune my ear all over again, it was so different. Not everyone there had TV and not in small towns.

We would watch TV in Bogota which played a lot of Mexican TV shows. I was surrounded by proper Paisas (White, urban "people of the country"). The quick succinct Castilian was contrasted by the Mexican drawl like night and day.The Mexican Spanish that I grew up around soon sounded so slow, sloppy, nearly slurred.

Hey, I've been shanghi'd again. This ain't about NAKED!

NUDITY IN SOUTH AMERICA IN THE 1970'S AND 80'S:

So, nudity in those travels... Those people were not nudist. Proper Roman Catholic, racist, privileged by class. Their dating system was actually Medieval, protecting their daughters and sisters from other classes. These poor young women would be kept as pale white as possible to show their Piasa purity. They could only speak to me because I had been screened and had Mama approved of my blue eyes and lighter colored hair. And I was adopted by the huge extended family.They were not sun taners. They were proper and wouldn't be seen naked by lowers naked.

After years they began to lighten up (not the skin). The pale daughters who didn't get married stopped giving a sh.t and loosened up in their later twenties. They understood the different cultures and when graveling here, would do as the Romans. I was stunned to see a visiting Colombian woman get naked in mixed company and soak in my jaccuzzi one night.

The only nudity skinny dipping was with German and American friends under waterfalls, and remote river spots.
I did have a Bolivian girlfriend in La Paz who liked to go to the gym and share showers and wander around a bit in the coed areas.
South America from Colombia to Bolivia all along the Inca trail was not Naturist territory, unless you bathed in the river and was a gringo. No one seemed to complain. Otherwise, nudity was nudey bars, and prostitution. Male dominance and exploitation was norm. The non-white peasants, kept their place. A girl had a reputation to maintain.

Once in Oaxaca City, when I brought a local college girl to hang out in my room, one of my roommates answered the door nude. When she saw the other woman naked, she adapted to our culture. When in Rome....
Jbee
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on January 01, 2019, 09:04:56 PM
One of my brothers-in-law grew up in Santiago, Chile, his father (who was from Baltimore) being stationed there for a while. He speaks fluent Spanish. He told me the Spanish in Spain sounds funny, such is the difference between Spanish Spanish and New World Spanish. Companies that teach languages recognize the difference and have different courses. I also understand that the relations between the races, along with all the accompanying words, can be quite different from county to country. Most of those countries also have and have had immigrants from places other than Spain and Portugal.

In the American Southwest, there was at one time something of a cultural shock between the three different cultures that met in that area, namely Americans from the East (the Anglos), Latin Americans of European stock (Spanish, then Mexican) and the native Indians. The differences were most striking in the treatment and position of girls and women. It seems that the Spanish youth were the most protected, as you said.

And speaking of accents, the British actor Michael Caine remarked that English words, spoken in the U.K. is like soldiers on parade, all standing up straight, whereas in American English, the words all lean on one another. I have no idea what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: jbeegoode on January 02, 2019, 03:13:01 AM
I think I understand what he is saying. The American might be more melodic and slimmed up, and the Proper English movie voice would then sound more enunciated, more precise.

I wouldn't consider Michael Caine's accent the proper solder type. He's to relaxed and has spent too much time hanging out in Holiywood and he started out with something that doesn't sound like upper crust or whatever.

Hum, that reminds me. Its about time I watched the "Man Who Would be King" again. My all time favorite. Rudyard Kipling, the craft, scams and all that, what. ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on January 02, 2019, 12:55:12 PM
I don't think Michael Caine's comment about British English had anything to do with soldiers per se, but he is one of the few actors who served in the armed forces and saw combat. He was in the Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment). He was born in London.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: Bob Knows on January 02, 2019, 03:30:55 PM
One of my brothers-in-law grew up in Santiago, Chile, his father (who was from Baltimore) being stationed there for a while. He speaks fluent Spanish. He told me the Spanish in Spain sounds funny, such is the difference between Spanish Spanish and New World Spanish. Companies that teach languages recognize the difference and have different courses. I also understand that the relations between the races, along with all the accompanying words, can be quite different from county to country. Most of those countries also have and have had immigrants from places other than Spain and Portugal.

Isolated Languages drift.  My co-worker in New Mexico grew up in a Spanish speaking family.   Around age 30 she moved to California and it took her 6 months to learn to speak California Spanish.  New Mexico Spanish has a lot more English influence and is sometimes called "Spanglish." 

When I was in college a teacher of Spanish Literature from Spain used the wrong friendly greeting for some Mexican students.  They started a small riot and demanded he be expelled from the teaching position.  My roommate who was studying Spanish Literature opined that the whole dust up was over differences between Castilian Spanish and Mexican Spanish. 

Internet and TV/YouTube tends to homogenize the language.  If a Welshman wants to watch BBC he needs to understand London speak. 

Americans deliberately changed some wordings and pronunciations around 1800 to distance ourselves from the English.   Chicago speak is used as a standard rather than a New York or Boston dialect. 
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on January 02, 2019, 03:40:19 PM
I used to work with three people from New York, Brooklyn specifically, then Long Island. They could turn their accents on and off at will--within a certain degree, something I can do, too. Only I'm from West Virginia. There are a lot of YouTube (DuTube in German!) videos featuring people speaking in various accents. Ah! But there are even a few videos of people hiking naked and several about nudist subjects (plus a number that are really porn), some of which are from overseas. I don't recall if any are from Sweden.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: jbeegoode on January 04, 2019, 06:24:23 AM
I don't think Michael Caine's comment about British English had anything to do with soldiers per se, but he is one of the few actors who served in the armed forces and saw combat. He was in the Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment). He was born in London.
Straight, tight and uniform, unison, well rehearsed. Michael CAine's English is not like that, but I've seen him try in certain roles in movies.
Title: Re: Sweeden is better because they get naked.
Post by: BlueTrain on January 04, 2019, 11:26:07 AM
In one movie, he managed a pretty good Southern American accent.