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Title: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on May 11, 2019, 11:07:58 PM
I got this wrapped up in a nutshell by "The Truth About Cancer." It contains info about sunscreen use and also a recipe for an organic sunscreen, perhaps usable by certain ghostly white Brits heading to Croatia for a sunny vacation and beach trip.

Is Sunscreen Causing More Harm than Good? Latest Study Finds Chemicals in Bloodstream

By Ty Bollinger
May 10, 2019
The skin is the largest organ in your body. But when you lather up with sunscreen, the chemicals are actually being absorbed into your bloodstream.

According to a new pilot study conducted by the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, chemicals from sunscreen enter the bloodstream in substantial amounts after just one day of use. The study, which has just been published, evaluated the blood of 24 test subjects, each of whom used sunscreen on 75% of their bodies.

They then evaluated four chemicals commonly found in sunscreen products:

    Avobenzone
    Oxybenzone
    Ecamsule
    Octocrylene

After just one day of use, the researchers found that the levels of these chemicals in the blood was higher than the FDA safety threshold. Patients using sprays, creams, and lotions all demonstrated the same results.

Because the blood levels exceed the FDA threshold, these products will need to undergo vigorous safety testing. And although consumers have been using these products for decades, proper safety studies are virtually non-existent.
Is Sun Exposure the Real Cause of Skin Cancer?

May is Skin Cancer Awareness Month, and the timing of this information is fortuitous. Those who have been following our work are already equipped with knowledge about the harm that traditional sunblock can cause, but for those of you who are unfamiliar, let’s recap.

You’ve probably heard a million times that the sun causes cancer, and that it’s important to lather up before you go outside. But not only does sunscreen introduce harmful chemicals into your bloodstream, it also blocks the production of vitamin D. Vitamin D is crucial for maintaining good health, and the sun is one of the few natural ways to get it.

Skin cancer is the most common type of cancer in the United States, with nearly five million people treated annually. Below are the 3 most common types of skin cancer.
3 Most Common Types of Skin Cancer

#1. Basal cell carcinomas comprise 80% of all skin cancers. Basal cancers used to show up only in middle-aged groups but are increasingly present in younger people. These cancers grow slowly and rarely spread to other parts of the body.

#2. Squamous cell carcinomas are more likely to grow into deeper layers of the skin and spread to other parts of the body, although this is still rare. Interestingly, squamous cell cancers exist more frequently in darker skinned individuals in areas hidden from the sun, such as on the bottoms of their feet or palms of their hands.

#3. Melanoma accounts for less than 2% of all cases of skin cancer but is more likely to grow and spread if left untreated, making it more deadly. According to skincancer.org, getting more than five sunburns increases your odds of getting melanoma by 80%.

One study, published in 2004, found that indoor workers are more likely to develop melanoma than outdoor workers. The author concluded that “chronic sunlight exposure can have a protective effect” against skin cancer. In fact, a 2014 article published in the Journal of Internal Medicine found that avoiding sun exposure is a risk factor for all-cause mortality.

Another study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, found that exposure to sunlight – and the subsequent vitamin D synthesis – may actually help to prevent certain cancers. According to the study:

    …sunlight may reduce the risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL) and may be associated with increased survival rates in patients with early-stage melanoma. In a large population-based case–control study of more than 3700 patients with incident lymphoma and nearly 3200 control subjects in Sweden and Denmark, Smedby et al. reported a 20% to 40% reduction in the risk of this cancer. The reduction in risk was dose-related with increasing indices of prior sun exposure.”

The authors summarized that “solar radiation may have a beneficial influence in both the incidence and outcome of cancer.” So, if vitamin D is so important, and exposure to sunlight can be healthy (in the right doses), what does sunscreen accomplish?
The Real Damage Caused by Commercial Sunscreen

Besides blocking the important synthesis of vitamin D, it may be disrupting our hormones, especially once it’s been introduced into the bloodstream. We actually published a video on this very topic years ago. Dr. Elizabeth Plourde, an expert on the dangers of commercial sunscreen use, explained the way that these harmful chemicals are absorbed through the skin and introduced into the bloodstream – and just how badly this can affect humans.

The chemicals in sunscreen can act as an estrogen, or an anti-testosterone, which can have severe effects on our health. This is especially important for women who are pregnant, because this hormone disruption can drastically and negatively impact the development of unborn children.

She explained that the skin is the largest organ in our bodies, and one of the most absorbent. Whatever we put onto our skin can end up directly in our bloodstream. In fact, Dr. Plourde says that the chemicals in sunscreen can be detected in the blood within 5 minutes of applying it and in the liver, kidney, spleen, testicles and brain within mere hours.
How to Defend Against Skin Cancer Naturally (+ How to Make Your Own Sunscreen!)

Nevertheless, too much sun exposure can lead to many forms of skin cancer, especially when it results in a burn. But there are ways to protect yourself from potentially harmful radiation naturally, without the use of harsh chemicals found in most sun care products.

#1. Limit your exposure. We should ideally be getting about 10,000 to 20,000 IU of vitamin D each day. Start out with 15-20 minutes of sunbathing at least 3 times a week for optimal vitamin D production. For those with darker skin, try 25-40 minutes.

#2. Use clothing to protect yourself. For those who will be in the sunlight for an inordinate amount of time, consider using a hat, long sleeves, and pants to protect your skin instead of sunblock.

#3. Utilize nature’s medicine chest. There are many plants and herbs provided in creation that can help improve our body’s natural defenses. Phenolic compounds like flavonols, lignins, stilbenes, and phenolic acids can help protect you against skin cancer. There are other compounds that can protect against melanoma which can be found in green tea, holy basil, cruciferous vegetables, coffee, and a host of other fruits and veggies.

If you live in an area with limited sunlight, be sure to supplement your vitamin D levels. You can use a trusted, all-natural vitamin D3 supplement or consume foods like mushrooms, wild-caught fish, and fermented dairy products to increase your levels of vitamin D.

Even non-chemical sunscreens which contain minerals may have been mixed with chemicals, and products labeled as “hypoallergenic” contain hazardous ingredients. Instead, prepare your own natural sunscreen lotion made with extracts that contain a natural SPF.

DIY Sunscreen Recipe:
 Ingredients

    ¼ cup avocado or olive oil
    ¼ cup coconut oil
    ¼ cup beeswax or shea butter
    2 tbsp vitamin E
    2 tbsp zinc oxide
    5-10 drops of your favorite (non-citrus) essential oil fragrance if desired

Instructions

    Combine ingredients into a pot and place over low heat.
    Stir ingredients until well combined and distribute into small mason jars for storage.
    Store in a cool and dry place until ready for use.

Notes

Be sure to use organic ingredients!

Skin cancer is the most common of all cancers. You can protect yourself naturally without infusing your body with harmful chemicals contained in commercial sunscreens. By utilizing the bounty of creation, like vitamin D, antioxidants, and phenolic compounds, you reap the benefits of the sun while helping your body defend against cancer.
Full credit:
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/is-sunscreen-bad-for-you/?utm_campaign=weekly-digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=all-actives&utm_content=is-sunscreen-bad-for-you&mpweb=144-7908192-442413327
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on May 11, 2019, 11:15:55 PM
If this stuff gets into the blood through the skin so effectively, then think what might come out of the skin in a sauna, exercise, or other perspiration process. Its natural and a detox augmented to sauna. Just sayin'. I just published a Russian sauna article in the "All things Sauna" thread.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on May 12, 2019, 03:18:37 PM

Oh dear, another article making it harder for us to make a decision in life.  I can see that the complex cocktail of ingredients in sunscreen can get absorbed by the skin and concentrated by the tissues.  Equally I can believe in the harmful effect of sun on skin.  The article has one big flaw I think.  It avocates natural herbal remedies.  OK that's fine but what if there are toxins and harmful chemicals in the herbs that similarly get into the skin.  In ancient times many herbal remedies were found to be effective.  In our era we have discovered that that is because they contain drugs that are toxic and active!  So why should everything herbal be so benign.  Equal care with herbals as with manufactured sunscreen I would advocate.

I think moderation is the answer.  Don't cook in the sun for too long at a time.  Take sun in smaller doses especially for the fair skinned.

However, think of the number of people that live a life in the sun vs the relatively lower incidence of skin cancer.  Sun maybe is not too dangerous?

John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on May 12, 2019, 10:06:18 PM
We don't all have the same skin. I am of Northern European origin and was born with red hair. So was my wife. You might say I'm predisposed to skin cancer and in fact, I have been treated for it. No big deal. As far as I know, I am the first one who managed to develop it, yet the rest are all dead just the same. I'm 72 now and I expect I have another ten good years, don't know how many not so good years.

The first thing the doctor asked (after asking why I waited so long to see him) was if I had any serious sunburns before I was 20 and I had. Remember, that was over 50 years ago. There were few suntan products available then as far as I know and I don't think any were described as sunblock. These days, however, I am never out in the sun without clothing to bother with sunblock or any lotion. The last two trips we took to the beach, I never set foot on the beach itself. And even though I have posted about nude hiking here and elsewhere, nearly every place I've hiked has been mostly in the shade. The Appalachian Trail is even described as a green tunnel, at least for half the year. But I think my hiking days away from home are just about over.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on May 12, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
 
Yes, Nuduke the smear can also add over confidence to the danger. It is best to use nothing but modernization in my opinion, too. I wouldn't trust a sunblock over my own senses and covering up when it is time. But I've been practicing and even my own senses have in the past caused me too much sun. On the other hand, I don't know how effective that this mix is and how far that I can trust it to protect me. The oils go through the body and excrete out of the skin often. Then are not poisons. The sweat takes care of the balance and they are necessary to protect the skins balance. Could be too much of a good thing.

Using anything that might clog my pores I think should be a negative.

The fact that I eat alot of the ingredients, and use them for other topical purposes with best affect, tells me that I can have confidence in the recipe not to poison me. These are foods that people have eaten for centuries, but always organic. I use coconut oil for food, drink, sex, foot skin health and it used to be an ingredient to deepen a tan.

Olive oil, used for millennia. Zinc, is a vitamin supplement and too much gets me feeling some sick, an allergic thing, I suppose.

 ¼ cup avocado or olive oil
    ¼ cup coconut oil
    ¼ cup beeswax or shea butter
    2 tbsp vitamin E
    2 tbsp zinc oxide
    5-10 drops of your favorite (non-citrus) essential oil fragrance if desired
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: HillwalkerDundee on May 18, 2019, 10:06:48 AM
As you say, another thing to think about. I do like the idea of making my own. I think i am fortunate in that I dont lie in the sun. I start at about 7:30am when the sun is weak and am usually off the hills by 11:30am whilst the sun is yet to get into its stride. Living in Scotland means that at least half the days in the year will be overcast.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on May 18, 2019, 11:11:34 AM
It probably would work a little better with two or three drops of snake oil, if you can find any.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Bob Knows on May 18, 2019, 02:45:22 PM
It probably would work a little better with two or three drops of snake oil, if you can find any.

We see TV ads for "Blue Emu oil."   I wonder if that would work as good as snake oil?   I haven't figured out from their TV ads if the Emus they squeeze for oil are blue, or the oil they squeeze out of Emus is blue. 

I've never seen a blue Emu.  I wonder if we could get the same benefit from squeezing a brown Emu for its oil?   

Bob
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on May 20, 2019, 11:16:11 PM
From the guys who make Blue coral wax? I looked. It doesn't say where the name comes from. Seems to be just another emu's fat for pain. Not one bit of study on it, but available at Walgreens!

DF uses arnica on me. It works very well. She says that it is made from marigolds, but the net says that it is some exotic flower out of Siberia. No proof that it works for pain, but when she rubs the cream in, it works remarkably effectively.
Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: HillwalkerDundee on May 24, 2019, 01:23:35 PM
Using the recipes onhere, we made our first batch of sun tan "cream". It was very oily / greasy because of the shea butter and oil but it smelt wonderful and seemed very comfortable o wear and easy to put on. I have not had any reactions and certainly more happy with this than chemicals. I didnt seem to be bothered by midges either, an unexpected bonus.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Peter S on May 24, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
Sounds like the midges eithervslid off or were busy chowing down on the cream instead of you, Gary  ;)
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Davie on May 24, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
I'm sure there are pros and cons about sun cream. I do however ask if the dangers outlined above been subject to peer review by academics after proper scientific research?

Davie  8),

Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on May 24, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
There have been studies with dramatic results. Everything is refutable. The Peer review these days is burdened by funding. The money is is the sunscreen products. The peer review most likely would be biased. Doctors are being given their info from pill pushers and sunscreen producers. The studies are out there for peer review. That's how they are found. More research could cinch it down better. Same old story. Billions of dollars riding on this.

There is enough evidence to convince me that chemicals deemed too nasty in certain amounts found in just 25 people in amounts way too nasty for a body is alarming enough to walk away from them. If I were to use a sunscreen, I'd try an organic vegetable that can be taken orally in huge amounts. We have only one test subject here, Ty and his family and several doctors, etc. Does it work? How well does it work? He didn't mention any studies. Just anecdotal and common sense.

Snake oil usually comes with a price and is a placebo. This isn't funded by someone getting wealthy, nobody gets rich.It is hard to placebo out a sunburn. It might make someone over confident. All of them are oily.Knowing these substances, they will be oily for awhile depending how liberal the application and it does soak into the skin.

I wonder if the organic homemade stuff is better bang for your buck. You can eat what you don't use. A bucket of shay butter will go a very long ways. DF used a small tub for her skin most nights for like a year. She got a good price in te African section of the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. Half of an avocado ain't much. Coconut oil is cheap and it has helped heal my skin on my foot. Labor would be like 10 minutes to make and application a minute or two and feel very good.

These ingredients are used for skin care products with chemicals to make the product more attractive.

To see if it works, the best test is individual. The stuff contains all things that bodies eat and process well orally. They are nutritional. They are ancient skin care products used for centuries by people, maybe not for sunblock, but skin health. If it doesn't block sun, you get nice smooth skin, anyway. :D I'd try the concoction before I'd trust peer review. I don't need peer review to know that an organic apple is good for me. It wipes off on my forearm to no harm, just some stick. People have been dealing with them for centuries and God didn't put a warning label on it.

This recipe probably doesn't preserve on shelves as long as chemicals.

I'd be curious to know if the recipe comes out of somebodies moma's bundle of tricks, or it a new idea. Seems that sunscreen is a new idea, like wearing clothing all the time in the tropics.
Jbee

Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Peter S on May 24, 2019, 11:34:19 PM
Sunscreen, or the emphasis on it, is a relatively new idea because the earth’s atmosphere is no longer doing the job it used to do so well of keeping the more harmful radiations out. Sadly, not all the things grandma knew and could teach us have the same relevance in a world of pollutants and plastics.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on May 25, 2019, 01:52:05 AM
Perhaps people wear fewer clothes than they used to. When I was little, I never saw a grown man in person wearing shorts. On the other hand, I knew a few men who wore the same long-sleeved work shirts and matching pants (of which they had about three sets, and a dress-up suit for Sunday) all year long, with the lightest of jackets for cold and snowy days in the winter and never gloves.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on May 28, 2019, 09:29:11 PM

I get a reaction to sun sometimes, causing urticaria, also to some suncreams, and last week I had a reaction to deet-containing insect repellant.
It's really hard to ascribe simple causes or develop simple solutions to what can often be due to complex reasons.    Whilst I definitely don't decry the application of the scientific method to ascertain if something is beneficial or harmful, equally I find the "50 million robins can't be wrong" adage useful in assessing things like this:  If millions are using something without ill effect and getting benefit then broadly speaking it must be ok!  I am also aware that 50 million robins might raise an argument to that!
John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on May 29, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
the only problem with the 50 million robins is they could all be using something without ill effects that theyve noticed,   or the ill effects only become apparent several years on.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on May 29, 2019, 11:53:09 AM

This is indeed the flaw in the robins argument, Ric!
John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on May 29, 2019, 01:07:17 PM
I think I may have mentioned before that none of my relatives ever died of cancer (skin or otherwise) but they're all dead, just the same. One of my aunts was a real sun worshiper, really the only one in the family. She would get positively brown in the summer. Her husband, who never wore anything but long sleeve shirts and long pants, developed a spot of skin cancer. Interestingly enough, my aunt was quite close to another member of the family who was Hispanic and the only one who addressed her by her real name, which was Iris, instead of her nickname.

All of my skin problems, such as they have been, undoubtedly developed because of sunburns I received as a child. It is curious, however, that the problems only developed on my face, rather than my back and shoulders. These days, however, I mostly stay out of the sun, even when I've hiked nude. All of my outings are in the deep, dark woods, which I prefer to think of instead as cool and shady. They aren't that cool, though, and they're damp, too.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on June 02, 2019, 06:52:38 PM

Woodland is best!  Warm when its warm and less breezy when it's chilly.  Sunny in places, shady in others.  For me, woodland 'talks' to you more than perhaps any other landscape.  Woods are mysterious and welcoming, interesting and - they hide you too to enjoy all that lovely greenness in luxurious isolation!  And when there's water - stream or pool, lake or mere - they are the best.
John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on June 02, 2019, 09:32:01 PM
The woods I regularly visit give me the feeling of being in the jungle and sometimes birds give it that jungle sound effect, too. Only the lawn mowers spoil the mood. I've always especially enjoyed the old Jungle Jim (Johnny Weissmuller) movies in which he never sweats, never walks in the mud--except for quicksand--and never seems to get thirsty. My jungle is muddy and 90 degrees in the shade.

It has birds and animals, though. Today I saw an owl, an exceptional sighting. Plenty of mud still but no quicksand.

It's all about escapism.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
I'm partial to woods. They're user friendly. They tend to be less biodiverse, though. I figure that you are referring to deciduous places, like back east. They forests out here are often much different. Often the pine forests can get so same that it is easy to get lost in them. Still, there is always a nugget of interests here and there, particularly when I only visit them on occasion. The forests here are generally up in mountains, where magnificent vistas pop out and the up and down can get challenging. The elevation changes the eco-makeup quite a bit.

I was looking at a spot in Upstate New York on the Young Naturist site a couple of days ago. A nice broad waterway, shade, rocks, bedrock.

The jungles that I visited in in South America were more like back-east forests, with thick growth along watercourses, often complete with water. It can get pretty hot and buggy in those woods. Still, the tradition was naked natives. They were much like the Virginia woods around Falls Church and the James River that I grew up in.

I remember sleeping in a bag by a campfire in Michigan. No critter worries.

Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on June 03, 2019, 08:40:24 PM
I live about eight miles from Falls Church. It is definitely hot, buggy and damp, going on wet, in these woods. Chances are, however, that 150 years ago, there would be a lot more open, cleared land used for agriculture.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2019, 09:29:46 PM
Our Falls Church subdivision was new. There were pretty pristine creeks behind the homes. It was comfortable temps for kids dressed in just shorts. Sometimes we would strip off, but felt like we were being naughty. There were salamanders, turtles, tortoises, frogs, toads, a few small fish, clean water, rocks, mud, dirt, and more. It was across from McLean High School and over the hill. No beltway.

On Ft. Eustis, I could ride my bike everywhere. I'd play in the James River, in the reeds, where the water lapped up. There were marshes, and swamps. There were fields. On the military base, it was safe and lots of other kids. We smoked "boy scout cigarettes, dug out forts and covered them. We'd play war games in the woods and climb trees. We'd wear just short pants and white underwear all summer.

Teenagers in Battle Creek Michigan, there were woods and undeveloped properties around the subdivision. There were lakes and we had a Christmas tree farm out in the country to spend weekends, drinking beer, cheap wine and smoking everything. I remember getting nude in the country. Once I found myself stuck on the back bumper of a VW bug naked, riding through the country roads. I remember purposely spending entire summers barefoot. I remember being naked and finding out that I was the only one of us that wasn't allergic to poison ivy, when camping. There was a creek and toad jabbing. There were farms to wander and we could yell as loud as we pleased, all night.
Jbee

Those woods were wonderful, a long time ago, and still very dear to me.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on June 03, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Where I grew up "in town" there was a pond about three blocks away with a narrow patch of woods, bushes mostly, on one side. It was used by a local sporting goods store for boat demonstrations. A few kids, none of whom I knew, skinny-dipped, but neither me or any of my friends would. That is, we would get in that water for anything. After my mother died (1959), we moved outside of town and there was another larger patch of woods, hardly a forest and no big trees, that was really good for roaming around in. Then, when I was in high school, we moved to the country. That's where the log house, no inside toilet, etc., was, which didn't bother me in the least. I had no expectation of anything. Anyway, there were lots and lots of woods there and that's where I really started nude hiking. I'm sure I've mentioned that before. In contrast to where I live now, there was virtually no wildlife around there, except for birds and snakes.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2019, 11:30:01 PM
Nuduke started this talk of forests and their best-ness. We have been responding, that forests are great places.

Japanese study, etc. tells us of the researched health benifits. I dunno, but it makes sense to me, at my first read.
"For generations, mankind has struggled to find a cure for cancer. We’ve spent billions on research and development as thousands of therapies have been used to treat different forms of the disease.

"Once the pharmaceutical industry got involved, those therapies quickly narrowed to expensive drugs and harmful treatments that have become the standard of care in Western medicine.

In Japan, they have a different approach that’s been scientifically proven to increase the body’s anti-cancer ability: forest bathing.

Did you know that by 2050, nearly 2/3 of the world’s population is projected to live in urban centers? Or that the EPA estimates that the average American spends 87% of their time indoors, and another 6% in their vehicles?1,2

We’re becoming an increasingly sedentary culture, and there are many benefits to exercise and time spent outside. But as it turns out, time in nature is substantially more beneficial than outdoor time in the city.
What is Forest Bathing?

Forest bathing, or shinrinyoku as it’s known in Japan, has been around for thousands of years.

Contrary to what you may think, forest bathing has nothing to do with water. In essence, forest bathing is a short, leisurely trip to the forest used for relaxation and recreation. It is NOT strenuous exercise like jogging, climbing, or hiking. It’s been used for centuries to help with mood, stress, and energy.

The aromatic benefits alone have been recognized by the Forest Agency of Japan for nearly 40 years now, and researchers using the Profile of Mood States test successfully showed that forest bathing significantly decreased anxiety, depression, and anger.3

And while these positive effects are great, it may offer a significantly more substantial benefit: Forest bathing has been shown to boost the immune system and prevent cancer. You read that correctly. Several published studies have found that forest bathing trips – in addition to improving mood and energy, decreasing stress and anxiety, fighting inflammation, regulating blood sugar, and reducing hypertension – may have a preventative effect on cancer generation and development.
Natural Killer Cells, Cancer, and the Immune System

In order to explain how this works, we’ll first need to talk about natural killer cells. The immune system is our best defense against disease and plays an important role in combating cancer. But tumor cells have a unique ability to escape immune surveillance by mutating and disguising themselves as other cells. That’s where natural killer cells come in.

Natural killer (NK) cells are white blood cells found in our lymphatic system. These cells are specifically designed to hunt cancerous cells and destroy them, hence the name “natural killer”. When it comes to the immune system, these cells are our first and best defense against cancer. Healthy NK cells are absolutely vital in your body’s battle with disease.4

What’s especially interesting is that NK cells identify and destroy diseased or damaged cells without any conditioning or prior exposure. Unlike the rest of the immune system, which learns through exposure to new bacteria or viruses, NK cells can identify cancerous cells immediately. This means that the more NK cells we have working in our bodies, the better protected we are from chronic diseases like cancer.5

And this is where forest bathing comes in. Many studies over the past 15 years have examined the effects of forest bathing on immune function, all concluding that the result is an increase in both the number of NK cells and their activity level.

This means that time in nature equips the immune system with more of these “cancer assassins” AND keeps these cells functioning at the highest levels.3,5-8

This is HUGE news.

The absolute best way to treat and beat cancer is to stop it from developing in the first place. And it turns out that keeping our immune system strong may be as simple as getting out into nature. The researchers found that the benefits to the immune system and NK cells only occurred with forest bathing trips – not with trips in an urban setting. They also evaluated the impact on men and women in two separate studies.

Both groups experienced increased NK activity for more than 7 days after a trip. For women, the effects could last up to 30 days.3,6,8
5 Additional Forest Bathing Benefits

In addition to preventing cancer, forest bathing has been shown to have many other benefits. Here are our top 5 benefits of forest bathing.
1| Improving Mood and Energy

A 2007 study published in Public Health found that forest bathing can be extremely effective in managing acute emotions. In the study of nearly 500 participants, hostility and depression were significantly reduced after forest bathing compared to the control groups. Additionally, forest bathing can increase energy and vigor.9

Dr. Qing Li, considered one of the foremost authorities on forest bathing and its medicinal properties, authored a study in 2016 showing that people who spend regular time in the forest have more energy throughout the day and get better quality sleep at night. Forest bathing also helps to regulate dopamine levels, which increase focus and productivity.10
2| Lowering Stress and Anxiety

Forest bathing has long been considered beneficial for mental health, and several studies utilizing the Profile of Mood States or similar tests have confirmed this. One of the ways in which this happens is a reduction in cortisol. Dr. Li and other researchers have consistently demonstrated a correlation between forest bathing and cortisol regulation.3,9,11

Cortisol, like adrenaline, is an important hormone that is released in high amounts when we are in fight or flight” mode, but also helps with several basic functions. Cortisol helps keep us alert, manages metabolic processes, helps with memory, reduces inflammation, and balances blood pressure.12

However, there is a direct and proven correlation between chronically high cortisol levels and cancer. Emotional stress is a major contributing factor to the six leading causes of death in the United States: cancer, coronary heart disease, accidental injuries, respiratory disorders, cirrhosis of the liver, and suicide.

As it turns out, a simple walk through the trees may be all it takes to reduce stress.11-13
3| Reducing Inflammation

Inflammation is the body’s natural stress response to injury, but when inflammation persists, it can be extremely harmful. Chronic inflammation can result from disease, injury, or an unhealthy lifestyle. Doctors and scientists agree that chronic inflammation is likely at the root of most chronic disease.14

The D-limonene in forest air has been shown to reduce lung inflammation. Studies have shown that those with asthma and Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) have shown symptom improvement after forest bathing. This is because oxygen intake is increased, and inflammation is lessened.

A 2016 study confirmed this, finding decreased levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines and stress hormones in those who spent time forest bathing.15
4| Regulating Blood Sugar

Forest bathing can also help reduce blood glucose levels, which is extremely important. High blood sugar and diabetes are both risk factors for heart disease and cancer – the leading causes of death in the U.S.6-7,14,16

Cancer cells feed on glucose, a byproduct of refined sugars and carbs. The best environment you can create for cancer cells is one with elevated blood sugar. In addition to diabetes and heart disease, keeping healthy blood glucose levels can increase metabolism, provide you with more energy, and help fight off chronic disease.

Because forest bathing has an effect on hormone secretion, it’s able to help our bodies regulate glucose. The importance of a healthy diet is paramount, but time in nature can assist in regulating our glucose production.16
5| Combating Hypertension

A 2017 study published in BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine found overwhelming evidence that forest bathing can help reduce both systolic blood pressure and diastolic blood pressure. Systolic blood pressure is the pressure in your vessels when your heart beats. Diastolic blood pressure is the vascular pressure when your heart rests. Both numbers are important, though systolic pressure is considered a stronger risk factor for heart disease.17

20 trials involving over 700 participants all reached the same conclusion: forest bathing can significantly reduce blood pressure. There is a clear connection between heart disease and cancer, and risk factors include high blood pressure, obesity, and an inactive lifestyle.17

In the U.S., over 600,000 people die every year from heart disease; that’s about 1 in 4 deaths annually. Hypertension is one of the leading risk factors for heart disease and other causes of mortality, but you can lower your risk for these diseases just by taking a leisurely stroll through the woods.17,18

There are many, many ways to help prevent disease and illness; diet and exercise are chief among them.

But the science is in: forest bathing is an extremely effective way to protect your health.

Not only can you improve your mental and physical health, you can actually stop cancer in its tracks. More importantly, forest bathing is dose-dependent. The more time you spend in nature, the greater its impact on your health. So take some time away from your phone or computer, throw some shoes on, and get outside!"
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/forest-bathing-benefits-cancer/?utm_campaign=eastern-medicine&utm_medium=email&utm_source=all-actives-ttac&utm_content=forest-bathing-benefits-cancer&mpweb=144-8000886-442413327

Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on June 04, 2019, 07:26:31 PM
3 screens worth jb and i read all of it :)
sounds like our woods in southern uk are more open and the trees probably smaller . here in central somerset the woods tend to be on the limestone ridges typically 2-300 ft above sea level with little surface water, but soils have a high clay content so can be wet and muddy for long periods,  we get a wide variety of birds and butterflies, a surprising number of damsel flies considering the lack of surface water, grey squirrels, rabbits and deer, throw in a few slow worms and thats about it.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 04, 2019, 08:06:11 PM
I didn't write all of that. I was very tired and in a hurry, when I lifted that off of a newsletter and pasted it in. Then I forgot to put in the, now installed quotes. I had read of that study before. It seemed appropriate. Anyway, quotes are there, now. Yep, an epic even for me! ;)

Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Bob Knows on June 05, 2019, 04:10:38 AM
Sun Screen wasn't a thing while I was growing up.   As a teen there were ads for "sun tan lotion" which supposedly helped you get a tan more quickly.   We just learned to be careful not to get too much sun. 
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on June 05, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
theres been a commercial running on british tv lately,   young daughter tells dad he should be wearing sunscreen,   he responds were in uk not abroad on holiday,   a dayglow sun on a bike then responds its still the same sun, implying dads a bit thick not to realise this.



my reaction was if i dont need sunscrean in uk , this ads telling me i wont need it on holiday.... i ought really report it to advertising standards , but i cant be bothered.

but it does show the intellectual level of the tv ad industry generally.

theres another long running one for spec savers opticians... old sheperd without glasses shearing his sheep... does the sheepdog as well
tag line "should have gone to spec savers" implying he couldnt tell the difference between a sheep and a dog,   
all it says to me is everyone involved in the add is a bit thick dont realise .... even a totally bind man could tell the difference by feel... be a tad difficult to shear a sheep by feel....   a lot of dog owners do clip their dogs thick winter coat in spring

in a typical hours tv were being fed 20 minutes of this garbage.... i tend to read novels in five minute chunks..... or if really deperate surf the net on the tablet whilst the tv ads are on.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: BlueTrain on June 05, 2019, 10:49:37 AM
Try turning off the television. It may not be as good as forest bathing but it will help. I realize this is an extreme solution, so you may have to ease off a little at a time. I won't go so far as suggesting not getting on the internet, though. That would be really drastic, perhaps even fatal. That is, if you aren't on the internet, you don't exist.

I say that and don't actually watch television either but my wife sure does. She even leaves the television on when she's outside. Half of the programs are British, which are carried exclusively by a local station. Some are interesting but I can never quite understand the dialogue.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on June 06, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
first hurdle is prising the remote away from the mrs ;)

i rarely just sit to watch  television whilst its daylight,  its just on when ive come in to have a cup of tea, or whatever.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Bob Knows on June 06, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
first hurdle is prising the remote away from the mrs ;)

My wife and I have separate TVs, with headphones, so we have our own remotes and don't have to fight over what channel to watch.   However, i tend to watch mostly at night also.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 06, 2019, 11:05:50 PM
Kinda like not reading a book together, Bob?

Haven't had a TV in decades. Had netflixs for a while. Do youtube. If I have a TV, I tend to sit and watch it.

We read the Sunday funnies together out loud. We change our voices taking on the different characters. That's fun together. Funny papers aren't always so funny anymore. Just something else to do naked. It is good to be foolish together.

We do books and mags, take classes, do a couple of groups, dance, make music, etc.. Better to interact, no matter what the activity. Better to use the body. Most TV melts down a mind eventually. All the TV news is so ridiculously biased, or just flat out government and corporate propaganda these days, it isn't worth watching the news except to get a better idea what the dullards are being taught to think. It is mostly Trump doing something outrageous, so as to make it seem normal so see the world as a hostile circus act, the true issues are glossed over, anyway. Now, another year about a horse race with no substance, totally ignoring the issues.

A naked walk in the woods is certainly more relevant and healthy. Even being one of those people who spend their time getting a perfect tan is more relevant than TV. Eating healthy food of all kinds is also a good substitute. REal living instead of watching a box tell you about things that you can't do anything about, just to sell you on something that you don't need.

I periodically watch TV over at my relative's homes. Each year, I sit down and see how much more outrageous it has become.
Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Bob Knows on June 07, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
Kinda like not reading a book together, Bob?

Haven't had a TV in decades. Had netflixs for a while. Do youtube. If I have a TV, I tend to sit and watch it.

2 people reading a book would be difficult.

My wife is an English professor.  She reads mostly literature and fiction books.  She watches movies and other fiction on TV. 

I have very limited use for fiction in print or video.  I tend to watch sports, documentaries, reality, TV about real men doing real work and achieving real goals.


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We do books and mags, take classes, do a couple of groups, dance, make music, etc.. Better to interact, no matter what the activity. Better to use the body. Most TV melts down a mind eventually. All the TV news is so ridiculously biased, or just flat out government and corporate propaganda these days, it isn't worth watching the news except to get a better idea what the dullards are being taught to think. It is mostly Trump doing something outrageous, so as to make it seem normal so see the world as a hostile circus act, the true issues are glossed over, anyway. Now, another year about a horse race with no substance, totally ignoring the issues.

I ignore TV FAKE news.  Its all hate and propaganda.  Sometimes I check local news for the weather forecast.   There is much more accurate news info on Twitter than on corporate crap media.  For example, we learned today that the "Russian operative" who the Trump Campaign was accused of meeting by the Mueller investigation was actually a Ukrainian employee of Obama's State Department.  He was presenting a proposal for settling the ongoing Crimean conflict.  His meeting with Presidnet Elect Trump's staff was part of his work for the US State Department (and Mueller).   Mueller left all of that out of his "Investigation" report and used the meeting to allege that Trump had secret meetings with Russians.  None of that will ever be learned watching TV FAKE news.

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A naked walk in the woods is certainly more relevant and healthy. Even being one of those people who spend their time getting a perfect tan is more relevant than TV. Eating healthy food of all kinds is also a good substitute. REal living instead of watching a box tell you about things that you can't do anything about, just to sell you on something that you don't need.

We are talking about moving to Arizona where evening walks would be more reasonable for more of the year.  We are again having cold and windy.  Brrrrr.   My wife has not been willing to share naked walks for years.  Sad.

Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 07, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
Under the full moon light. Just incredible. DF and I have a ritual when we're our under a full moon. We dance and try to sing "Dancing in the Moonlight." Always naked, if possible.

Naked desert walks and hikes are wonderful, like walking around inside a huge black and white TV. In the heat of summer, it is always wonderful to walk in the balmy evening after sundown. YOur convertible Mustang would be perfect for that. An old girlfriend had one. We'd just cruise. I got to drive.

Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on June 08, 2019, 03:28:57 PM

So it's called 'Forest Bathing' is it?!
That's what I do.  And far less frequently than I'd like.
But given these apparent benefits, I ought to make more effort.
John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 11, 2019, 03:35:45 AM
Yes, and report on the experience. Is the sun out in your woods yet?
Jbee
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on June 11, 2019, 10:18:40 AM
its bxxxxy chilly and persisting down with rain in somerset .   forecast is pretty much the same all week.   might have to do some weeding in the poly tunnel later... after ive drained the stuff thats outside in pots. ive got a load of shrub cuttings in pots, the pots are stood in plastic boxes to make watering quick and easy... chuck an inch of water in every couple of days and they suck up what they want, yesterday some of the pots were floating.  gueass the easy answere would be to drill some overflow holes in the sides of the plastic boxes.   ive forgotten what the thread title was, am i rambling again
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: Peter S on June 11, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
It was about sunscreen, but that is a distinctly superfluous commodity in the UK at the moment, so it’s only fair the topic drifts to non-sunscreen matters. I will be glad when we have cause to drag ourselves back on topic.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: jbeegoode on June 12, 2019, 07:07:45 PM
Suns been out, we broke 100F for the first time yesterday, which was unusual, it's late. There are gambling pools about the time and date that we break that record. Kinda like when the ice breaks and flows in the spring.

Everything has dried up. Now, we wait for the monsoon rains.

Where you live, a warm poly tunnel would be a necessity for me, or I'd surely die.... 
Jbee :D
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: John P on June 12, 2019, 08:02:08 PM
Hey, you Brits had your summer, a few weeks ago. Don't be greedy.
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: nuduke on June 15, 2019, 10:33:26 PM
Yes, and report on the experience. Is the sun out in your woods yet?
Jbee

No it very much is not!  We have had an unusually long run of rotten weather (rain, floods in parts, cold, grey etc.) for June.  Also I have had lots to do - sitting on trains a lot - and a knee injury (fell off a chair).  So the woods have been a distant memory lately.  Hopefully things will perk up next week and I will have time for a walk up there.  If so, and when, a report will be forthcoming.
John
Title: Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
Post by: ric on June 16, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
this uk summer is nowt unusual,   anyone in the uk will be aware of the pilton/glastonbury pop festival,it gets pleanty of news coverage on tv and in the papers , its held about 10 miles from us,  theyre either treating the masses for heat stroke or showing pics of them wading through knee deep mud.

wimbledon tennis is another good example , pleanty of media coverage ,years ago  ive even seen a photo of ducks on a puddle on one of the courts .... there was some speculation that a press photographer had actually smuggled them in .

ive also heard it argued that watching raindrops falling on a covered cricket test match wicket is marginally more interesting than the play itself. :)