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Title: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
I was musing over the changes and evolution of the Free Range Naturist thing. Years ago, the originator of The Secret Naturist Society wrote a handbook. It includes his vision and experiences. It is eventually a bit of historical documentation. Much of the wisdom is relevant today.

For the sake of conversation and entertainment here, I've decided to publish it in parts over time. There are hundreds of pages to it to slap it all down at once. My copy is not in sequence, but I'll do my best to line things up.

Lookee, or Corbie, if you're out there, I can only hope that you approve.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 09:55:47 PM
TSNH:OVERVIEW:

"First, a few words of warning. Many of the pages in The Secret Naturist Handbook contain descriptions, stories and other writings about someone who enjoys being naked outdoors. If you find this offensive please do not continue. In addition, many of the pages here may have been written by someone who may have been naked at the time of writing. If you are unable to cope with this, please leave now. Even worse, you may come across the odd photograph of someone who is not wearing clothes, or even footwear! If this is too much for you to bare, this is your last chance to go elsewhere.

If you are made from sterner stuff and find nothing disturbing in the paragraph above, this could be your lucky day! The Secret Naturist Handbook is about naked adventure, naked challenges and naked exploration. It takes boring old naturism to new levels of excitement and daring. It takes you to the edge of what is possible when naked and then takes you a step beyond. If you are ready to face the challenge of a lifetime, this is the place for you. Welcome to the amazing, thrilling and just plain crazy world of the secret naturist.

For more than 20 years I've explored the rolling hills and valleys of south east Scotland, walking for miles across the heather moorland of the Southern Uplands, mountain biking along lonely forest trails and skinny dipping in the cold waters of the Firth of Forth. All while totally and utterly naked!

What makes the above so interesting is that none of the locations are in any way so called "naturist" locations. In fact, there are no official or even clothes tolerant naturist beaches or other areas in the entire region. Yet I have been able to spend entire days completely naked, hill walking, watching wildlife, birding, trigpointing, cycling and running, all totally naked. How is this possible?

Obviously you cannot simply go anywhere, take off your clothing and expect to get away with it. Anyone doing so is likely to fall foul of the Long Arm of The Law. No, to safely achieve nudity in locations where members of the public also have open and ready access, you need to use some good old common sense, together with some careful forethought and planning, and not just a touch of cunning. You will be amazed at just how many places there are where nudity is possible. And that's what The Secret Naturist Handbook, often abbreviated to TSNH, is all about, how to get away with being naked out in the countryside while at the same time not being seen by members of the public. Essentially, naturism in secret, secret naturism.

One of the main problems with nudity in locations where the public have access, is just that, the public. Outdoor nudity is not the normal state of affairs, at least here in Scotland and reactions to a lone individual striding confidently and purposefully across windswept moors without a stitch of clothing, can sometimes be quite negative, all be it on rare occasions.

From experience I have found that the best way of avoiding this is simply to avoid people in the first place. If you are not seen while naked, no one can complain. And indeed, avoiding people is on of the main guiding principles of secret naturism. Having said that not everyone reacts negatively. On many occasions people are either indifferent or amused at my nudity. But while most people do not object to my nudity, I find that the best option is simply to avoid them all together, it at all possible. It also adds to the fun of being a secret naturist.

This web site is based on many years practical experience as a secret naturist in south east Scotland, covering the regions formed by the Scottish Borders, The City of Edinburgh and The Lothians. I've pulled these pages together in an attempt to share my knowledge with those who also share my interest or might even take up an interest. I also hope these pages will convey how enjoyable, thrilling and exciting it can be to be naked away from official naturist locations."

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 10:05:39 PM
What's with you Scottish IT people and this trotting around naked on Moors and Munroes and.... ;D

Lookee has a premise that one should not be seen. It makes a game of it, The game is fun. It is a secret life. What are the actual risks, back then and now? He is concerned with social repercussions, and also shrugs them off. Everything is better when doing them naked.

Does anyone know when he published this? I've yet to find reference, except Tanman stating that he downloaded it back in 2007. I think that it was online at least a couple of years before that. I mentioned before, that he had a forum site, kind of like a storyboard of daring tales, or "gripping yarns" as he used to say, way back when I had WebTV at the turn of the century.
Jbee


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 10:12:04 PM
TSNH: GUIDELINES:

"The subject of the legality of being naked outdoors has often been raised but obtaining a definitive answer is difficult. Without any factual legal guidance I think we really have to set ourselves sensible guidelines on what we should and should not do to try and avoid actually finding ourselves in a situation where the Police become involved. Obviously, these will differ from place to place and depend on the time of day or night and must also be regarded as only guidelines, to be altered to suit the specific time and place.

Think what you are doing

For experienced secret naturists and beginners alike, it is important to stop occasionally and just think about what you are doing. You must always consider that following the path of the secret naturist is not without risk, both from the legal point of view and for your own safety. Experienced secret naturists should also check that they are not straying beyond the boundaries of what secret naturism entails.

Make sure you are at a location at a suitable time for nudity

I would say that it's not really the type of location that is important here, rather than the time we are actually intending to go naked there. A good example would be a public non-naturist beach that is popular during the day. If we were to go naked at such a time, it is likely that we would be in trouble within a short while. On the other hand, being naked there at night, after everyone has gone home, I see no reason not to be naked there. Another example would be your own garden. During the day you are visible and people neighbours may complain. At night, the risk of being seen if far less.

Avoid being seen while naked outdoors
Here in sunny Scotland outdoor nudity, in itself, is not illegal. There are no laws I am aware of preventing you from being naked outdoors when alone, no matter what the location or time of day. It is only when someone sees you that it becomes a problem and a legal matter. Obviously this will depend greatly on what being naked outdoor means to the individual who has seen you and unfortunately we have no way of knowing this. Good practice would be to treat all who see us naked as potentially hostile and act accordingly after you have weighed up the situation taking into account their reaction, the location and your ability to leave the area.

Consider the nature of your chosen location
Even if we are active at a given location at times when the risk of being seen is small, we should still consider how people will react to our nudity at that location. For example, being seen walking naked along a disused urban railway line, regardless of the time of day or night, could be associated with "flashing". Something we do not wish to be associated with. The same goes for public parks, nature trails, woodland walks and so on. On the other side of the coin, being seen naked beside an isolated loch far into the hills is unlikely to regarded with any suspicion as you will likely be seen as a skinny dipper.

Don't get overly familiar with any given location
When you have found a good location suitable for secret naturism, one where you are able to regularly get naked, it can be easy to find yourself taking unnecessary risks. As you get to know the area its easy to find yourself pushing the limits of where you can safely be naked, perhaps venturing into parts of the area where there is too great a risk of encountering people. It is also important to be aware that just because you have never seen anyone at a given location does not mean you will not in the future."
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 10:21:58 PM
There is fear, of the unknown. What will be the reaction of others? He doesn't know, but can't find out. He therefore assumes the worst. The game is more exciting with the greater risk within this thinking.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
TSNH: PRINCIPLES:

"As the founder of secret naturism, I feel I'm qualified to say what I think it means to be a secret naturist. To myself personally, secret naturism is about exploring the countryside while naked, while at the same time avoiding being seen by members of the public. However, over the years I found that other factors were also relevant and these together became what I refer to as the Principles of Secret Naturism.

The principles of secret naturism are:

To seek out and explore all manner of new, interesting, challenging and unusual locations while totally naked.

To take, at all times, reasonable and positive steps to avoid being seen while naked by members of the public.

To avoid causing any member of the public to be alarmed, offended or embarrassed by your nudity.

To achieve total nudity and to carry the minimum of clothing and other items of equipment.

To respect the countryside and leave as little evidence of our presence as possible.

While the above items are very much based on personal opinions, they do serve well in defining what secret naturism entails and I would strongly advise anyone who follows, or intends to follow, the path of the secret naturist, to also adopt and abide by them."
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 30, 2019, 10:56:24 PM
Was Lookee a Trekee? Love that "seek out new" first principle. It's a challenge, an adventure. The last one sounds kinda like the "Prime Directive." It is indeed uncharted territory back in the day.

There is coming up a "Code of Conduct" and the "Golden Rules", then it gets much more specific. It is a long list of the "skills", or "The Craft" as we used to say on TSNS site. I figure that this is an incremental process (I hear Larry Tanman Again) and this is a good place to stop. Please, chime in.

It takes me back to my old ways of thinking, and plenty of memories. This is using cyberspace to explore reality. It leaves me with memories of Macintosh computers, "You're out of your Vulcan mind Spock!" There's the 1980's, smuggling in the dead of night, getting inebriated with friends and girlfriends and past-wives and wandering the suburban neighborhood with only shoes to run in. Those fears of getting put into patrol cars and labeled a pervert to stimulate all the senses, as we made our way in stealth. Finding a hidden spot on my flat roof tract-house behind a couple of trees and a parapet to get that all over tan, with my first ex-wife and her sister. Redington Pass and The Verde Hot Springs.... Getting into friend's swimming pools and then dropping tough hidden by the pool edge. Watering the front yard using shrubbery and angles to hide nakedness. Being surprised by a car and running as if for my life into shelter. Going out with my friend at bar closing time and getting pinned by all of the traffic in an alleyway. Trying Carnuding on a trip from the White Mountains, before there was a term carnuding. Discovering a party with a dozen people spontaneously getting naked and jumping into the pool. There has been some fun and excitement. I don't look for that so much anymore, I now perceive what I do as a way of life, so much more aware, calculated and realistically.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on August 31, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
Quite an ambitious project you've done. I think I'll have to read it two or three times. As they say in some places, good show! In other places, right on!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: midnightrider on August 31, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
While the above items are very much based on personal opinions, they do serve well in defining what secret naturism entails and I would strongly advise anyone who follows, or intends to follow, the path of the secret naturist, to also adopt and abide by them."

I still have this handbook, and it makes perfect sense.

Cheers.
Paul
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on September 01, 2019, 03:57:30 AM
Personally I much prefer Free Range Naturism to Secret Naturism.   For those of you who prefer to hide, go right ahead.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Davie on September 01, 2019, 09:46:35 AM
I tend to agree and here in the UK it's becoming more acceptable. On a walk last week we had encounters with several people and it was all smiles. A group of motorcyclists came from behind and we expected a few rilbald comments, but no, nothing but smiles as we each enjoyed our own lifestyle and mode if recreation.

I suspect the walkers went home and told their friends that they'd seen a load of nudies but that's good if more people start to hear that free range nudity is more common than they think.

Davie 8)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on September 01, 2019, 01:36:33 PM
theres a fair few of us that started off as secret naturists and have evolved into freerange naturists.  i find the mindset is different , the secret naturist is anxious always worried about being seen, the freerange is confident and relaxed.  the current guidance on the laws in uk have certainly helped a lot in this process of evolution.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: JOhnGw on September 01, 2019, 07:12:07 PM
Personally I much prefer Free Range Naturism to Secret Naturism.   For those of you who prefer to hide, go right ahead.
I'll vote for that.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: JOhnGw on September 01, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
.. .. .. .. .. .. the current guidance on the laws in uk have certainly helped a lot in this process of evolution.
{mode=politicalpessimist}I just hope that the potential impending vassalage to the USA resulting from a no-deal Brexit does not include reverting to transatlantic attitudes to nakedness.
{/mode}
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 01, 2019, 09:10:41 PM
I recall a comparison between American, French and German nudists, only I don't remember all of it or any of it exactly. The German, though, was the boldest and dared anyone to challenge him, while one of the others (probably the American) was always looking over his shoulder. I don't remember the other one, though. You sort of take into account national attitudes and general behavior and it all makes sense.

On other now defunct forums and message boards, "freehiking" was the term sometimes used but even it is a euphemism and was not part of the name of any forum that I knew of. But nude (the polite word) is good enough for me. I never made a secret of it, though, from anyone, which is not to say it was something I felt I needed to tell everyone about. I've told a few stories here about my naked (the vulgar word) hiking but unfortunately, I haven't been making any new memories lately. In the days when I and later, also my wife, were much more active socially, I never had the urge to share any of those experiences with anyone at work, which for the most part was the other half of my life, in a manner of speaking.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 01, 2019, 09:38:34 PM
I had a long involved discussion on another forum with some Europeans about American influence in culture. I don't think that Hollywood and music and internet will change with Brexit. That is where the influence comes from.

There is a lot of political bullying going on, but the perpetrators may find that they need to cowtow to one of the few allies that they have left in the whole world, instead of push them around, too. Ultimately, the bully is a paper tiger in a big interactive world. Maybe right and the tendency of Englishmen to reason will prevail over the brash and rash authoritarian attitudes. Bottom line, it is corporate interests, elitist, banking and associated political power to those ends that is creating this mess. How this might affect naturist directives would most likely depend on profit and there is no profit to be had in suppressing naturism. Besides, the former Empire modeled for these neocons.

 There is too much national pride in the UK to slip to such micro management.
 
There are no Federal nudity laws, only states and some localities, so there is nothing to export to the UK.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 01, 2019, 09:41:07 PM
"Naking" is popular in some circles. Maybe it's just me, Bluetrain, but I'm confused what you just wrote has much to do with this thread. ???

I'll post more tomorrow, when I'm home.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 01, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Oh, you'll figure it out. Please do not read the following.

On the subject of American influence in Europe, remember also that there used to be huge numbers of US troops stationed in Germany and sometimes in other countries. In fact, there were more there than ever in Vietnam. Anyway, there was a lot of cross-cultural influences and the best example is Elvis Presley. He was stationed in the same town my son was stationed. You may recall his song "Wooden Heart." It is sung to the tune of "Musi Denn. There is a least one YouTube video of him singing his song, then going on to sing Musi Denn in German to a bunch of kids.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on September 02, 2019, 09:35:46 AM
personally as a european i think some of our colonial friends have a rather exaggerated view of how important their laws and cultural influences are to the rest of the world.   you dont impose your ideals,  we pick and choose what we want to adopt.

from a free range naturist perspective , we tend to ignore cultural and even legal constraints we dont agree with ,  even if that turns us back into secret naturists.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 02, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
Yea, Ric, I think that you have something there about separating ideals from cultural manifestations.

On that other forum, I was taking a perspective similar to yours and the Europeans were concerned that American influence would drown out naturism in Europe. I had no idea really what American culture was doing to European culture. I haven't lived there for decades. They were concerned. They were thinking that American attitudes from porn on the net would shape the naturist values and attitudes toward nudity. The thing where the body is treated as something nasty, or other than wholesome.

One had produced a survey on porn showing that Americans consumed three times the porn as the next country...the Brits, who were around twice and more the consumption of the rest of the listed countries. There is a dominate influence, we are told of American stuff on the internet.

All I know is I see Europeans wearing American styles, now and there is a tagging thing going on and gangsta culture being copied. For inexplicable reasons, American fast faked food garbage is replacing the rich delicious food.

Then there was the political posturing that was going on in this last administration, defined as bullying.

I suggested that it was up to the European naturists to take the lead, as the attitudes about bodies were more liberated than certainly American attitudes. We need more European influence here.

I had to wonder, If people take on, crap food, rushed meals, poor taste in clothing,and some of the cultural dregs of society like gangsta, would they take on the sickness of prudishness and body sexualization that is still the dominate culture of Americans? Would they for example start covering breast again, or affect naturism in other ways?

POpular American culture infects American culture, too. I don't like much of it, but one day, I'll look around and it seems that everyone is doing it, or I find myself turning into an anachronism.

It seems that when you put two kids together the worst manners of the two come out in both, instead of the good kid making two good kids. ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 12:58:40 AM
Code of Conduct

This code of conduct is designed to help prevent problems arising from encounters between secret naturists and members of the public. It is also designed to help keep all secret naturists following the Principles of secret naturism.

All secret naturists are advised to follow this code at all times.

You should, at all times, try to avoid contact with members of the public while you are naked. If possible, seek cover until they have passed or cover up if clothing is available to hand.

If you encounter a member of the public while naked and they appear to be alarmed, offended or embarrassed, you must cover up immediately. If this is not possible and circumstances permit, you should apologise for your actions and explain the principles of the secret naturist.

If you encounter a member of the public while naked, you must not run for cover as this presents the poor image of what secret naturism is about. Again, if possible, cover up, apologise for your actions and explain the principles of the secret naturist.

Outdoor nudity can be sexually stimulating in some situations, particularly for beginners. If you find yourself becoming aroused, you must cover up immediately or seek cover until able to continue. Deliberate exposure of aroused genitalia has no place in secret naturism.

One of the Principles of secret naturism is "to seek out and explore all manner of new, interesting, challenging and unusual locations while totally naked". However, we must always consider our own safety and that of others when doing so and never exceed your abilities or the Principles that define secret naturism.

In our desire to seek greater and more rewarding challenges we need to be aware that there are limits to what secret naturism is about. There is a fine line between being naked outdoors while avoiding people and crossing this line into the realm of exhibitionism, flashing and the like.

An important Principle of secret naturism is "to respect the countryside and leave as little evidence of our presence as possible." This means that we must refrain from such activities as lighting fires except in an emergency, causing any form of damage, leaving litter, disturbing livestock or wildlife and so on.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 01:06:49 AM
I don't believe that I would be so apologetic as this.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 01:09:32 AM
Golden Rules:

As a secret naturist you are usually operating in locations accessible to members of the public and there are a few very important rules and guidelines that should be followed during these times. These Golden Rules are not compulsory but are highly recommended, for you own safety.

1. Never leave all your clothing in one place, such as inside the car. Split into separate sets and hide each at different locations. Even if carrying your clothing, have a backup set hidden elsewhere.

2. If hiding clothing never leave house or car keys with your clothing. Hide them in a separate location so that if your clothing is lost or stolen, your keys should still be safe and secure.

3. Never visit the same location on a regular basis. If you go to the same place at 6.00pm every Tuesday evening and walk the same route, you are placing yourself in a potentially disastrous situation. Someone may be waiting for you!

4. When hiding clothing, make sure you will be able to find the spot when you return. Use a marker of some type to help identify the location.

5. Never reveal your secret naturist activities to anyone unless you are sure they can be trusted. Even then, consider the consequences of doing so.

6. Always look behind you. When you are concentrating on looking ahead, it can be easy to forget what might have appeared behind you.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 01:15:01 AM
From here, there are 17 separate articles under the heading "Articles." I'll start with a fun one called SN History.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 01:24:09 AM
Articles: SN History

The history of secret naturist was something I thought about while writing the FAQ for this web site but rather than just a few lines I thought it might be useful to write a more detailed account of secret naturism.

I suppose secret naturism, the act of enjoying nudity away from official naturist venues, has always been with us, although the term "secret naturist" was only created when I started up my first web site on the subject. People from all walks of life have been "secret naturists" for years and it was not really until the availability of the Web that like minded individuals found other with the same interest.

With a distinct lack of published material on the subject of secret naturism, both on the web and elsewhere, writing a definitive history of the subject is difficult. So, it seems to me that a good way might be to relate my own experiences of how I came to become a dedicated follower of secret naturism.

One of my earliest recollections is being naked was around the age of 10 when I lived on the third floor of a block of flats in a small town near Stirling. I seem to recall that whenever I was alone at home, I would enjoy walking about the house naked, even on one occasion venturing out onto the common stairway.

About that time the family moved down to the Scottish Borders. Here, for the next 10 years or so, I restricted my nudity mostly to the house, shed and garage with a few nude periods in relatives houses. Other than that there were only a few occasions when I was naked anywhere else. There was one memorable occasion when I managed to get naked when alone inside a small church at night. I also recall being naked at night in some woodland down by the River Ettrick.

I think it was after we moved to another house in the area that I really started to spend more time naked. One way I found of doing this was when cycling. I would find a secluded spot in some woodland when stopping for lunch and would strip off for a short while. Other memories are working naked in my photographic darkroom, safe in the knowledge that the door way locked and I would not be disturbed. I had yet to start exploring the countryside to any great extent and would restrict my nudity to very small, secluded locations.

For me personally, secret naturism finally took off when I got married and set up house. At first I found myself still keep to local areas, not venturing more than a few metres while naked. Then one day I noticed that in many of the places I was walked (clothed) I rarely, if ever, met anyone. From that day on I gradually discovered that I could actually explore large areas of the countryside totally naked and without being seen.

The next stage in the history of secret naturism was when I decided to create a web site where I could share my knowledge and experiences on the Web. My first site was going to be called The Naked Man, but I decided against this when I found other sites of that name, many concerned with the gay community. Finally, after much deliberation, I setting for The Secret Naturist which soon became The Secret Naturist Handbook. In fact, there have been quite a few sites over the past 10 years or so with the latest being this one.

Probably the most profound moment came when I started to advertise that the site existed. I posted on some of the mainstream naturist forums and was quite amazed to receive a considerable amount of correspondence from others who did the same thing. Many were also amazed that they were not alone in what they did and were most pleased to find others like themselves. If nothing else is gained from secret naturism, the fact that people have found that they are not alone, everything I have done will been worth it.

Creating a forum for secret naturists was the next thing that moved secret naturism forward. Ideas abounded and secret naturism, at least for myself, soon reached the stage it has today. My secret naturist activities are no longer restricted to short periods of nudity in secluded patches of woodland. No I feel comfortable to explore all manner of places from underground caves to exposed mountain tops.

In fact, I feel that secret naturism has actually reached the stage where there is a need to be careful that it does not more into the "dark side" where being seen by members of the public does not matter. There is a fine line between accidentally being seen while naked and deliberately being seen while naked.

Today, for myself and many others, secret naturism is all about enjoying the countryside and other areas while naked. It is about exploring a wide variety of locations from ruined castles to vast tracks of woodland, from the highest peaks to sandy beaches. It is about the thrill of being naked in places where nudity is not the norm and not a little about taking risks.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 01:47:59 AM
“In fact, I feel that secret naturism has actually reached the stage where there is a need to be careful that it does not more into the "dark side" where being seen by members of the public does not matter. There is a fine line between accidentally being seen while naked and deliberately being seen while naked.”

DF and I have gone beyond this. We let it be known that we have been naked, subtly, or overtly, even though we may see a need to cover-up in some areas, for example trailheads. We believe that we are doing nothing wrong and the problem is with the other party, if there is a problem. A problem for someone to see a member of their same species is likely very small odds. People need to know that nice people are out and about in nude activities.

When covering isn’t necessary, like where it is legal, we no longer cover –up, we enjoy our freedom and the quality as things should rightfully be. We act as if there is no harm, and rarely will mention our state of dress. Two or three out of one hundred will object a few more may be confused as to where to look, but those are an extreme minority with no justification for objections, or offense. It’s a body, they see it, it is nothing and perhaps they will give some thought to their preconceived notions, learning that we are wholesome.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on September 03, 2019, 04:24:05 AM
JBG, that is indeed the spirit that we should all be filled with. I'm not basically as bold as you are, but if I don't expect to get into trouble then I wouldn't hurry to hide behind fabric. Once you get a little used to it, meeting people when you're naked just isn't a big deal any more. But being with friends certainly adds a lot to one's level of courage!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nudewalker on September 03, 2019, 02:51:48 PM
Overall I have become braver in my pursuit of being Free Range but still lean to the side of caution.  You can get a feel for the area by talking to park rangers for example areas of little use or places where you would likely encounter families. Also, as in the case earlier this spring, a ranger friend of mine told me about the increased presence of sheriff deputies to combat vandalism. Translated things he might overlook like discrete nudity at the campsite, the deputies might not.

Also, as John P pointed out, being with friends not only increases your courage but a group is not seen as much as a threat as a single male.  Same with Jbee and DF, not seen as a threat, just a couple of old eccentric hippies!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 08:21:26 PM
Overall I have become braver in my pursuit of being Free Range but still lean to the side of caution.  You can get a feel for the area by talking to park rangers for example areas of little use or places where you would likely encounter families. Also, as in the case earlier this spring, a ranger friend of mine told me about the increased presence of sheriff deputies to combat vandalism. Translated things he might overlook like discrete nudity at the campsite, the deputies might not.

Also, as John P pointed out, being with friends not only increases your courage but a group is not seen as much as a threat as a single male.  Same with Jbee and DF, not seen as a threat, just a couple of old eccentric hippies!
"just a couple of old eccentric hippies!" OLD! Hope DF doesn't read this, or you in dangerous circumstance! ;D
Now then, if I'm butt naked except some high tech equipment, where's the hippie? The extra hair doesn't connote hippie projections anymore. Around here, it more often can be construed as redneck, or country western. Okay, my individuality has me eating weird, and we indulge in an assortment woo woo pastimes, but I don't reek of it when I'm naked....Hippies indeed! ;)

Confidence alone or in a group:
It does increase the comfort level to have someone with during encounters, but it shouldn't. It is one of those, "what might people think" insecurities. Being the lone guy, we worry about getting the "pervert" projection. Being the lone girl, we might get the "I'll be raped or harassed" worries. But, here we are again in that defensive mode, like that false idea that the masses of people will freakout and call the police and then there could be an arrest. That just doesn't happen away from trailheads and the reality is only two to four out of one hundred will actually freakout unreasonably and then only just say an ignorant judgemental objection.

More people doing something unconventional is a stronger argument than alone, like any agreement a majority seems to keep the odd one in check. Bigger groups, I have found, do make a difference. But, it is mostly in the mindset. That is part of what we want to do, for people to see that nudes are out there and not a big deal. The more that they see nude the more normal nude seems.

I do feel different when out without DF. It isn't quite the fun to not have someone to share with, the photography looses the perspective of two. The pervert projection thing can be there, and I'm there to protect my best friend from anything, but we just meander on and none of these things happen because they most likely won't happen. When away from social groups, particularly alcohol, and lots of equipment, trailheads and weekend rowdies people are reasonable, friendly, or just busy doing what they are busy with.

A few weeks ago, I had a lone naked walk up on Mt. Lemmon on a trail that in parts runs along a road like one long trailhead. I encountered more people than I anticipated. Because my policy is to cover genitals around trailheads, I took a sarong and placed it in front of me, or even wrapped it at times instead of carrying it, if I heard people coming, which was all but one. People pretty much just acted as nothing, if contact happened. They knew that I was hardly dressed and nude there, but I was legally covered. I got caught once with my wrap down, as I was about to sit and write. A woman with her two golden retrievers smiled in acceptance and asked if I was going to get into a water hole nearby. She just wanted to hang out with me.

I felt less confident alone, but I felt a greater awareness of my feelings, my situation, and had some fun with my stealth. It was different, but my fears were overcome with some rational reasonable thought. I got tired of covering and sneaking after a while and enjoyed getting back to my stealth campsite and secret spot, where there were no concerns to bother with. I think that it is much better to just smile and walk through in freedom, without having to cover, but that was a bit risky there.

I would suppose that it would be the same in clothing in a strange place. If you dress unusual,say in a full blown medieval outfit in a convenience store, people might might look on in interest, some might find it fun, some think it so very uncool, and you might project feeling out of place, uncool, or fear of harassment. You wear that out on the trail and it is about the same as nudity. The odds that someone will be a bother, is greater where there are more people. If there are a few of you in medieval garb, then you own the place. Likewise, others might feel more emboldened to harass in larger numbers.

Also, one might feel more comfortable with friends around them, when they come across perceived threatening situations. I feel more confident, safe, and relaxed backpacking with, rather than alone, clothed or not. Life needs to be lived with people but one must learn to act and be alone as well. Fears and shadows need to be faced. Hiking naked can be like that.

On the other hand:
The story isn't due out for a couple of months, but that Mt. Lemmon trip was as close to SN as Lookee describes, as I have been for a while. At one point, there were a group of mountain-bikers coming through, mostly in pairs with a couple of minutes in-between. I heard them, and simply walked over and leaned on a big tree and watched them as they passed, jumping a rock in turn. I pulled out my camera to catch the jumps. I was in plain sight if they stopped or looked, but they couldn't not watch what they were doing. I felt like Robinhood standing watching the Sheriff's men and smiling in some Earl Flinn movie. It was fun. SN can be fun and exciting, even more than just walking minding one's own business naked, at times.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 03, 2019, 08:42:52 PM
I notice confidence in groups and much more conversation, of course. Alone, I can calm the monkey mind and be here and now. That is something that DF and I have when walking together.  Alone, there is the alert heightened awareness, a tool to place oneself in the moment and be more in touch with feelings, of discomfort and other states. These SN games are more attune with being more aware, yet they are filled with projections and illusions that make it more exciting.

I started out with a rush, fears and excitement in the new game. Eventually, I walked with pride at how well I played the game. I saw myself as the master. Then, through relaxing, the process of normalization and self discovery, I found a greater spiritual quality. It is all good.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nudewalker on September 04, 2019, 04:43:28 AM
Jbee, my apologies to you and DF. After all I'm sure there area few more whiskers on my face.  The point was the perception that people would have. Here it would be hippies, in your neck of the woods something different. Even with the interactions with BlueTrain over the years the difference in attitudes from one part of the state to another.

I feel that while out hiking or walking naked there is a connection with nature. Senses are heightened but only because we have become one with nature. Other people, mountain bikers or ATV riders are out of place and become a nuisance. There is an excitement, as if we're getting away with something society would frown on, a stealth game where we are the winners.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 04, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
I will certainly agree with the part about heightened senses and (mostly) being more aware, although not that much more. Excitement? Not really. That is, no more excitement than if I were dressed to the nines. I certainly don't feel any more connected with nature when nude, even though I am more exposed to the insect world. That, ironically, is more of a problem at home than elsewhere for some reason. I don't think of it as a game and I feel nothing spiritual in it, either. It's just a walk in the woods. Too bad I have to drive 90 miles to do that. The novelty of being nude outdoors, a not unfamiliar sensation, disappears fairly quickly.

What I do enjoy, though, is the greater freedom of movement when nude, even though I wear something on my feet. Not wearing something on my feet would slow me down something awful. I've mentioned before, I think, that the places I hike, just about all of them, are shady, unlike in the Great Southwest where there are fewer woods. Having to walk in the sun would change the dynamics a lot, at least for me. There have been places I've hiked that were mostly in the sun but I haven't been to those places recently for a variety of reasons, none of which had to do with being in the sun. Anyway, I also like the feeling of the air on my skin, which as others have mentioned, is retarded when you're wearing just the least bit of clothing. Some trips have started out on the chilly side, too.

Otherwise, I don't make a big difference with hiking with or without clothes. There can be discomforts but they aren't related to what I'm wearing or not wearing. The discomforts these days are the minor aches and pains in my knees, feet and ankles. They aren't caused by or relieved by not wearing anything. I've already mentioned not being bothered particularly by insects in the backwoods. Mostly when I've hiked nude, it was because I had planned from the start to do so, too. I have also hiked nude on nearly every backwoods trail I've been on, too. The planning was about choosing the time and place as good for being nude, as well as what was to be taken along on the trip. It is logical to make a nude hike a minimalist hike. All of this is for day hikes, not overnight trips.

I haven't been on trails that permitted motor vehicles and others did not permit bikes. But I've otherwise shared trails with horses, mules and mountain bikers and that's fine. I don't mind sharing the trail. I've only been on public land; none of them are my trails. In fact, on my last nude hiking trip, the only other person I saw all day was a mountain biker. A person on foot just might be seen as a nuisance to a biker or ATV rider, after all.

I am planning a trip tomorrow, something I've been putting off. The weather forecast is promising and all I'll need is a little push to get me out the door. I originally planned for today but the weather forecast is for 15° cooler tomorrow. I will certainly let you know how it turned out, if I make it back.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 04, 2019, 06:02:38 PM
Consider your little behind tapped as you are pushed out of the door. You will fair just fine and better. We'll just kinda sit here and wait for the trip report. Got a camera or a cell phone? Some of us get a kick out of trees and even the uncommon occurrence of water, like it is exotic.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 04, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Jbee, my apologies to you and DF. After all I'm sure there area few more whiskers on my face.  The point was the perception that people would have. Here it would be hippies, in your neck of the woods something different. Even with the interactions with BlueTrain over the years the difference in attitudes from one part of the state to another.

I feel that while out hiking or walking naked there is a connection with nature. Senses are heightened but only because we have become one with nature. Other people, mountain bikers or ATV riders are out of place and become a nuisance. There is an excitement, as if we're getting away with something society would frown on, a stealth game where we are the winners.
Well, that's what smiley faces are for. Yea, it seems to depend on what the costume is. The hair means nothing without the garb. I don't know what other's perceive. I can only gather a quick small reaction. I'm sure that it varies.

Hippie used to be a derogatory term, a stereotyping laid on by others labeling, which was anti-hip. It was an individuality driven social change. So, we called ourselves "a lot of freaks man!" So, now a days, I have friends calling themselves old hippies and wearing tie die t-shirts constantly. I've been all sorts of things during a good life. To quote Popeye, "I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam," today.

If someone were walking down the trail and came upon us, I'd probbaly figure, (A) older (or old to a younger person) and therefore less threatening. (B)Eccentric is a likely judgement and not on the vanguard of a social change of body liberation. I would think a common reaction would be, "That's a naked person." Then, wonder why, or not, but first that's a naked person and that is unusual. Those that talk or comment are obviously trying to figure it out. (C) Our commonality is that we're having fun doing what we do...except that group of five older, nah, old guys that looked miserably serious a few weeks ago. They were just getting back after an obvious stint on the retirement couch.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 04, 2019, 06:32:19 PM
The Risk Factor from TSNH:
There is no point denying the fact that secret naturism is a thrilling and exciting pastime. The thrill of being naked in locations where nudity is not normally permitted can be considerable at times, particularly in urban areas when a feeling of euphoria and invulnerability can arise. The thrill of nudity is not the only factor, however, there is also the risk factor, of being seen or found out.

Secret naturism is a careful balance between risk and thrill. Without risk of discovery, the thrill of being naked is greatly reduced. Likewise, without nudity, there is no risk. A balance is required.

Let us look at the matter of risk and the risk of being seen in particular. Bearing in mind one of the Principles of secret naturism is not to be seen, it does seem odd that while on the one hand, we try to avoid being seen, thus reducing the risk, while the other hand, without that risk some of the thrill of nudity is diminished. Again, it is very much a better of balancing the degree of risk of discovery with that taking the necessary steps not to be seen.

While the main risk is that of discovery, other risks also form part of the equation, with perhaps the weather being foremost. Without the protection of clothing and modern equipment, a traveller in the Great Outdoors, puts themselves at the mercy of the elements. Once again, a balance is required, between enjoying the feel of the elements on bare skin with that of safety, perhaps from extreme weather conditions such as thunderstorms and from exposure to heat and cold.

One Principle, "to carry the minimum of clothing and other items of equipment.", also adds to the degree of risk that the secret naturist must face. To travel without clothing the secret naturist must find a suitable location where their clothing will be safe and secure until their return. The risk that this clothing will not be there when they return, certainly adds to the experience. The relief when you return to find your clothing intact is palpable at times.

Another risk associated with secret naturism is that of the law. Depending where you reside in the world, laws regarding nudity will differ, in some countries nudity might be permissible, in others, it may be a serious offence. It must be pointed out that you alone are responsible form the risks you take when going naked outside naturist tolerant locations.

Personally, I do not feel I am breaking the law when walking naked in the hills and valleys of south east Scotland. There is no sexual intent, no aim to exhibit myself to others and it is purely one of enjoying the countryside as nature intended. Even should you find yourself explaining your actions, by explaining the values found in this web site, that you have adopted and follow religiously, you should be able to convince any law officer that your intentions are open and above board.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 04, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
The Thrill Factor from TSNH:
It is important to be aware of the factors involved that make secret naturism such an exciting and thrilling pastime. One factor, risk of discovery and others, have already been covered elsewhere and the thrill factor itself was also touched on briefly. At first glance, it would appear that the act of being naked itself gives rise to the thrill of secret naturism and this is partly true. However, there are many other factors involved and this page looks at some of these in details.

A knowledge of these factors and how they can enhance the experience, and just as importantly, how they can reduce the risk to manageable levels, is critical for all secret naturists. If you know what elements combine towards making any task enjoyable, by managing one or more of those elements you have a far greater control of the experience. By having a greater understanding of the factors that make up "the thrill factor", you can also keep your activities within safe limits.

The factors are:

Being Naked
There is not much to can do to be more naked when you are already totally naked, other than when you are not barefoot, you should try walking barefoot, if conditions permit. Also try to remove any items that have skin contact such as watches, bumbags, hats, rings, etc.

Not Permitted Locations
This applies to almost any location, except a naturist beach or similar. The type of location can effect how high or low the thrill of being naked there will be. A location such as a remote mountain top may have less of a thrill associated with it than walking naked along the street outside your house. So, to increase this thrill factor you need to find locations where you feel the "not permitted" factor is highest.

Weather Conditions
A good example to illustrate this factor is to compare being naked on a fine, hot summers day to being naked when there is frost on the ground and the air is cool. My theory for this factor is that when weather conditions (temperature mostly) is close to body temperature the less you notice you are naked. To increase this factor you need to:

•   Pay attention to temperature - cool is more noticeable.
•   Consider the effect of wind on your bare skin.
•   Look for storms, heavy rain, snow, etc.

Duration of Nudity
This factor to relatively easy to increase, you just stay naked for longer.

Degree of Exposure
Being naked in a secluded woodland has its own particular delights but try locations where you can see and be seen for many miles. Hills, mountains, open ground, etc. By increasing the degree of exposure, or open-ness, you also increase the thrill.

Risk of Discovery
This factor plays an important part in the thrill of secret naturism. If there was no risk of being seen at all, would it feel as good? Actually, the answer is yes but only for so long. For example, safe and secluded nudity in the home often soon looses it's thrill factor and the secret naturist will then look for other ways of regaining that thrill, usually by starting to go naked outdoors and/or into areas where the risk of being seen is higher.

Location Type
Many locations have a built-in atmosphere or "feeling" associated with them. Good examples are megalithic structures such as stone circles, burial mounds and standing stones. Often a location will just "feel right" for secret nudity and it can be any type of location. It is, however, a personal thing, what is good for one might not be good for another.

Distance from Clothing
By distancing yourself from the security of your clothing you add a degree of vulnerability by removing your "safety net", i.e. having no clothing to hand in case of being seen. Obviously, as you increase the distance between yourself and your clothing you also increase the thrill factor.

Safety Margin
If you only have a few minutes or seconds to cover up, there is often a tremendous thrill with taking such a risk. Compare this to the situation of having all the time in the world to get dressed and you will see what I mean.

People Proximity
A good example of this factor is the changing room. You can be totally naked with someone only inches away on the other side of the curtain. Another is when on an urban walkabout where you have to hide behind a car while a vehicle passes by. By deliberately reducing the distance between yourself and other people, you increase the thrill factor.

Time of Day or Year
Time of day and sometimes, the time of year, can both have an effect on the thrill factor. Examples are: early morning when the mist still lingers in the valley, at night under a clear sky and a full moon and the simple fact that you are naked outdoors in mid winter can all add to the thrill factor.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on September 04, 2019, 09:53:07 PM

Oh Jbee!
All this interesting material to read and only half an hour to do it!  I'll have to defer reading all this till I next have time to do so at leisure.
Where did you get all this?  Have you copied and stored TSNS webpages for all these years?  Amazing!
I shall read all this bygone material with interest and indeed assume it is still highly relevant to our FRN (SN) art, craft and proclivity.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 05, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
It is relevant, but it will post every couple of days and there is quite a lot of it, so you'll need to hop on board more frequently, so as to not be overwhelmed. I've found it very thought provoking. So far, it has given me a tremendous view of the past and my roots, evolution and motivations.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 06, 2019, 09:04:57 PM
Another installment to chew over the weekend:

"ADDICTION" from TSNH:

Some who read this page will have been secret naturists for many years and will understand what I refer to when I say that secret naturism can be addictive. Others may only have started on their adventure as secret naturist and will still be blissfully unaware just how addictive being naked in the Great Outdoors can be. This page should be read as a caution.
But why is it addictive? My personal theory is that the thrill and adrenaline rush from being naked in places where nudity is not the norm is the primary factor. I have experienced a similar feeling when cycling, you just don't want to stop and almost have withdrawal symptoms when you get home. That hormone again, adrenaline, is the culprit. There may also be some sexual chemicals involved although sex is not involved.

Another question also springs to mind. How do you become addicted? I think its a gradual process, it starts to get you the first day to strip off outdoors and it continues to build as you get more and more adventurous. You start of small, say, sunbathing in a secluded location, never moving far from one spot. Then you start moving around, with your clothing to hand for emergencies. As time passed you progress to longer and longer walks. Next, a bold leap into highly addictive territory, walking without clothing. Now you are hooked, never to return. You may even go further, trying nudity in urban area at night and during the early hours.

This process takes place gradually over many years and is hardly noticed until too late. After you catch the secret naturist bug it can be very difficult to let get rid of it. So, how can you prevent yourself getting addicted? The answer is I don't know, perhaps not starting at all is the only way. Whatever, take this as a warning that secret naturism can be highly addictive and it can be difficult to stop once you get hooked. Many other secret naturists have contacted me regarding this topic, so if you are addicted you are not alone.

The media have reported the discovery of a gene that seems to appear more often in people who are risk takers, such as those who enjoy free-fall parachuting, base jumping and other extreme and high risk sports. Perhaps this is what attracts you to secret naturism, you have a gene that wants risk and adventure. Perhaps you just can't help it!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 06, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Thrill seeking is addicting, physically addicting, especially for certain personalities. There is a rush there and a burst of those wonderful chemicals.

The ante has to be upped to sustain that high, however. It can loose its compulsion this way.

Still, there is left a natural high, a more integrated with nature state, so there can always be a pleasure. I'd say that I'm addicted to what I perceive as my hardwired nature. I need to get away to a nude outing and escape from the comparably unhealthy modern urban world. I know now, of my natural elements and their health. It may be that I am addicted to healthy states, which is this free ranging naturism that I do. "If something ain't right, it's wrong," Bob Dylan.

How many here would not lament depravity in the too long winter, roam the house nude when the weather is nasty outside, or go to lengths to get some naturism, after tasting the well of the wondrous. Is that addiction? I know what I like, what is good for me, and I hunger for it, like a good meal. Is nutrition an addiction, and isn't naturism similar?
Jbee
 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 06, 2019, 09:46:02 PM
Obsession sounds like a better word to me.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on September 06, 2019, 11:24:53 PM

Jbee,
Is all this material from TSN Handbook written by Lookie originally?  If not, do you know where or from whom it originated?
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 08, 2019, 02:24:11 AM
Yes, unless it says Jbee at the end, (which is a comment by me) it is directly from and republished, "The Secret Naturist Handbook" written several years ago by Lookee. I'm also making Bold titles to make sure that it is clear what is TSNH.

There will be several sections with give or take a dozen entries each. I'll republish a couple every few days. This will take a while, but it should keep conversation stimulated and thoughts flowing, because we here have changed over the last twenty years or so. We can revisit our former outlooks and perhaps be stimulated to question ourselves currently, or even try so of the past our, or refit it.

The full moon is coming, maybe it will be a good night to take a sneaky walk in a risky spot for kicks, just to do it? Maybe a memory will be jogged and an anecdote will be written/shared, retrospective or just entertaining?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nudewalker on September 08, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Maybe as we have been more confident we have become more daring.  I remember on the old sites when questions were raised such as how far have you been away from your clothes.  Or have you hiked without a net? Both questions seem odd now as I'm so familiar with the places I go I could be miles away and no ntet so to speak.

Funny you should mention memories. I think one of the first trip reports her was a camping trip where we had the campground to ourselves. Once I figured out the restroom and shower cleaning crew schedule I was able to spend most of that stay naked. We'r returning to the scene of what some people would consider a crime next week.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on September 09, 2019, 09:01:24 AM
I came across the SNS some years ago but even then, I was put off by the idea of deliberate stealth, as if it was a game. I wanted simply to become more comfortable with what is natural.

Having said that, I have practiced it often, particularly when I started into FRN, not wanting to be seen. Early morning runs in my home area, I am not wanting to be seen before I cover up -although SN seemed to be about hiding rather than just covering up. Also, I have always avoided apologising, as if I was doing something wrong.

On morning runs, I try to be meditative and mindful. Being alert to both the animals around me, and any humans, keeps me on my toes providing that heightened sense of awareness, but I don’t want my mind to be worrying ‘what if I meet someone’, although it inevitably does, to some extent. My aim for some time has been to hear/see people early and cover up calmly.

The above is extra caution to be seen to be respectful in my home area. Elsewhere, when walking and seeing people, I do not automatically cover up. In fact, wanting to promote FRN, I want to be seen enjoying the outdoors in the most natural way, not hide it. Having said that, I tend to shy away from large groups or just cover up, as it works both ways - the group adding bravado, but potentially in a negative way.

So yesterday, on a near 15 mile fell walk, I saw a group of people on a minor summit I was approaching, so just diverted direct to the main summit. Later on, I saw a couple coming towards me in the distance, but thought they might take a slightly different route. I followed a path next to a fence traversing a fairly steep slope. I initially walked just below the path, in case I met them, so I would not meet them head to head but soon decided there was little point. Having decided they had gone the other way, I suddenly saw them in front and below me where the path dropped. I had a moment where they had not seen me and I could have stopped and covered up but decided to keep going. They both smiled at me and said ‘hi’ as I went past, as I expected. They did look back at me after I had passed, as one would expect but just another positive experience so people get used to others enjoying the countryside as nature intended.

I did enjoy my walk considerably, helped significantly by not being worried about people seeing me, while not seeking them out. I was able to be present in nature, enjoy the moment, rather than worrying whether someone might see me.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on September 09, 2019, 03:45:26 PM
I came across the SNS some years ago but even then, I was put off by the idea of deliberate stealth, as if it was a game. I wanted simply to become more comfortable with what is natural.

You got my vote Martin.  Well said.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on September 10, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
stealth only works if your good at it.    better to be seen in the open than caught skulking naked behind a bush or whatever as if youre doing something wrong. :)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on September 10, 2019, 11:47:11 PM

I agree, Ric
But that takes some grit, resolve and balls to brave it out.
In my 12 years or so since I discovered the joys of naturism in nature, I have always managed to cover up in advance of possible encounters - which it has to be said have been very few.  I have certainly matured in this respect over the years, though.  At first, any slightest suggestion of the sounds of others approaching, while out walking, I would scurry into my clothes in a panic.  Over the years I have learned that only 0.1% of those sounds are really someone else and nowadays I don't cover up without waiting and watching for possible encounters.  If I have to cover up nowadays it is with leisurely pace and no panic.  As I say, that has served me well in avoiding encounters with others whilst naked.  One day I'll have the balls simply to do as many of you do and not cover up but bid the passer by a cheery hello!
John
John 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 09:08:21 PM
 Cause:From TSNH

This page is not really about any kind of method or technique, it is more something to be aware of when walking naked outdoors. I had been out wandering around naked in the hills near home and was returning back to the car around 21.00. At that hour the area is usually deserted so I decided to walk all the way back to the car still naked. Normal, at any earlier hour I would have got dressed first.

I had just stepped onto a gravel road when a movement caught my eye. I light coloured object was moving towards me, I face! Someone was coming! As the distance was about 500m, I about turned and decided to slip into some cover until the person had passed them continue on my intended route. Finding a suitable spot I settled down, still naked, to wait until they passed by. However, after a while there was no sight or sound of the person. Had I missed them passing? Had they actually continued walking after seeing me or had they also about turned and headed back the way they had come? I had no way of knowing.

A quick analysis of the situation revealed some interesting points. Was I too deep in cover to hear or see their passing? I was happy that I could see one path they might follow but not all. I also knew that walking on the gravel was noisy, at least to the person doing the walking. Perhaps it was not that noisy after all, from the point of view of a nearby listener. Two points to consider next time.

Another point worthy of note was that I did not actually know if the person had continued to walk in the same direction I had first seen them walking i.e. towards me. They could have either continued, retreated or simply hidden nearby to see if I passed by later.

So, what's to be learned from this encounter? Firstly, I had been to quick to retreat. I was happy to have done a quick about turn but I should have checked what the person was doing before deciding on a course of action. A quick glance would have given me this information.

Another point to consider is to make sure you can see or at least hear when a person will pass you by. Other wise you could be waiting for even and they might never appear. But do be aware, in most cases if you can see them, they can also see you.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 09:39:32 PM
Sorry for the delay, I've been laid up at DF's house with only her laptop and no access to my computer files. Last Monday I woke with a severe fever and other related symptoms, bedridden and nearly unconscious as I laid there. I spent a few days and then on with continued various symptoms until Friday night, I was worthless, but I did get home yesterday. I might add that DF and I are taking off on a trip tomorrow afternoon for a few days more. The posting won't continue to be every couple of days, until we return.

SO, here we are with an incident that happened in the evening hours without a torch/night light/flash, that is called "Cause." In such a situation, one can claim that they didn't expect anyone walking at night and was surprised. There was no intent to expose, or one can boldly act as if there is nothing abnormal going on, the 1000 pound ape in the room. Or hide, as he did.

One thing about hiding at night from flashlights is not knowing if your cover is sufficient. We don't know if this person had a flashlight or not.You can't see very far to tell how much vegetation is between you and your perceived problem. You may feel okay, but be sitting there with your bum exposed at one angle, flesh on green.

People at night are on higher alert, they often have fears with them. Encounters at night can be shaky for them. Wild animals in the bushes with highway men, snakes in the shadows below their feet and they don't know how many of them are in the band of rapist/thieves. There are fewer clues identifying the safety of the situation.

So, you make lots of noise? or a little noise?
Jbee






Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 10:03:48 PM
Country Folk: From TSNH

When we visit the countryside for a secret naturist outing, we may think that we are alone and that there is no-one about. But in reality there are many other types of people who visit the countryside and who, like secret naturists, take steps not to be seen. As secret naturists we need to be aware who these people are and what they are up to.

Birdwatchers
The dedicated birder, and especially the Twitcher, can be seen anywhere, at any time of day or night and in any habitat. They are abroad particularly around dawn and at dusk, may build well concealed hides and wear camouflage clothing. They can be very inconspicuous and may be skulking around at similar times and places to secret naturists. As a secret naturist and birder myself, I can vouch for this. They will often be aware of your presence before you are of them, as they will almost certainly have binoculars and possibly a telescope as well.

Fishermen

Fishermen can be seen around open and running waters throughout the day, even through the night and although they do not generally take any great steps at concealment, they do sit quietly and can be easily missed. Coarse fishermen tend to stay in the one location while game fishers will move constantly as they cover the water with their casts. One obvious tip is that if you are near water, there may be fishermen about. Listen out for the tell tale whip of a cast or click of a reel being wound in. At night look out for illuminated bit indicators, glowing cigarettes and torchlight.

Gamekeepers
These guys are experts on their own turf and will know every nook and cranny on their beats. They will know intimately from long hours in the woods, often at night, the numbers, location, size and sex of each and every animal living in the area. However, gamekeepers may not really be a problem for secret naturists as they are more concerned with poachers and anyone wandering naked around their woods at night is unlikely to be poaching and may even keep poachers away. Most keepers you meet will question you and if you have a valid excuse for being there, they are usually reasonable and helpful folk to deal with. Many keepers may also have night-vision equipment to see in the dark. Water Bailiffs are similar to game keepers but tend to keep to rivers and streams.

Naturalists
Very similar to birdwatchers in many ways but may specialise on a particular species of animal, insect or plant. They can generally be regarded as safe to deal with unless you have disturbed their studies. Many will have recording equipment such as cameras and binoculars may also be in their kit.

Hunters & Poachers
Both are best avoided at all times, mainly for your own safety. Shooting parties will certainly take offence if you disturb the game they are trying to shoot and landowners may have close links with local police. If you come across professional poaching gangs, get out of the area as fast as you can. These gangs are usually made up of criminals out to make money and will not take kindly to your presence.

These are only a few of the many different types of country visitors who might not be so readily seen, even to the trained secret naturist. There are also many others and next time you are on a secret naturist outing, have a closer look at your surroundings, you might just be surprised who is about, even in the wee small hours!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 10:09:40 PM
We place these people in a position to become voyeurs. The best way I know to capture wildlife photos is to find a channel for a water source and just sit an quietly meditate. I pick up on walkers and bikers, they usually make noise, but those sitting still have surprised me, just like animal strategies.

I might just let them sit and I walk by having my privacy disturbed. I have no intent to a harass obviously.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
Dark Adaptation: From TSNSH

Darkness provides ideal cover for Secret Naturism but even at night, some illumination is necessary if you are to avoid stumbling around blindly.  You could plan outings to take advantage of moonlight, but while the moon can provide adequate light in the open, all too often it is at the wrong phase, hidden behind cloud or otherwise blocked from view. With this in mind, a little knowledge and advance preparation can make a big difference.

The human eye is a remarkable organ, capable of seeing in light levels which range from the brilliance of a summer noon to starlight.  Experience will show that your eyes adjust to darkness too and that what seems at first to be inky blackness can soon reveal details.  This process is well known to amateur astronomers and is often described as 'dark adaptation'.
The most immediate and obvious effect of darkness on the eye is the dilation of the pupil to let in more light, but this is not the only factor which affects dark adoption: your eyes also adjust the chemistry of the retina to make them more sensitive at low light levels.

The precise nature of these changes do not need to concern us here, suffice to say that dark adoption is not a uniform process and the eye actually takes longer to adapt to some colours than others. In the meantime, dim light sources may appear leached of colour. Studies have shown a significant amount of dark adoption has already taken place after 7 minutes of darkness while many texts written for newbie amateur astronomers will tell you that 20 minutes is ideal. By this time, the pupil will be fully dilated (an effect which decreases with age, incidentally) and the retina will be approaching its most sensitive. From now on, any new light sources will compromise the adoption process.

As mentioned above, dark adoption is not a uniform process and this is exploited by astronomers and others who wish to retain their dark adoption.  Of all colours, red light affects the eye least, and while a bright source would still have a detrimental effect dimmer sources may be used to illuminate without seriously compromising dark adoption.  A red light source is therefore recommended as a balance between enjoying the darkness and being safe.  But how do you obtain a suitable source of red light?

•   Try fixing a piece of red cellophane over the end of an ordinary torch.
•   Some models of Maglite seem to have an optional red filter which fits over the head of the torch.
•   Torches made with red LED's (light emitting diodes) in place of traditional incandescent bulbs.

The first two may suffice for occasional outings, but the dedicated Secret Naturist may wish to consider investing in the last.  True, they are more expensive, but the LED's are virtually unbreakable, offer a long battery life and all models seem to have a dimmer switch to vary the brightness.  Some even have optional white LED's for use as a regular torch.  Also, all models seem to have a lanyard allowing them to be worn around the neck - very handy when you have no pockets.

By using a red light source you can light your way without compromising your dark adapted vision, and in the process, you might just transform a good nocturnal mission into a great one.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
I think that when I post three at a time like this, that I'll wait and make my comments after all three. I can always just mention the title of the Article that I'm referring to. THE LAST THREE POSTS have been at once: Cause:, Country Folk  and Dark Adaptation:.

So, "Dark Adaptation" tells me of something that I forgot that is valued information now. Getting up in the night I have noticed and was recently validated in a science article, is greatly affected by light. The brighter light will wake you up and make it more difficult to fall back to sleep. I've been dimming the switch, but a red light could be the solution at home. To get up, climb out of a tent and pee and then get back to sleep, is much different, depending. The light definitely makes a difference. The problem is usually there is a magnificent entertaining array of stars, a moon or astounding peace and one must just appreciate it for awhile.


Anyway, 7 minutes and 20 minutes for adjustments is good to know. There is the initial phase when one sees enough, but it gets better and then better, still. Some people have more acute night vision than others. I had a partner 45 or more years ago in a few border scams (kids will be kids), that moved through the night like a cat. I would follow, sometimes stumble, glad to be with him. He had a few night vision Indian tricks, but without his hardware in his gifted vision, they would only do so much.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 21, 2019, 07:29:47 AM
DARK NIGHTS

When the cold dark nights of winter come upon us, staying active as a secret naturist at this time of year can be difficult. Sub-zero icy temperatures, "lazy" winds that seem to blow right through you rather than going around and shorter daylight hours all conspire to keep us confined indoors. We might be naked indoors but it's just not the same. However, there are ways and means of enjoying secret naturism at this time of year.

When you find yourself alone at home during the dark evenings of the winter months you can, of course, get naked indoors and while this is quite enjoyable for a while it can soon become rather boring and something more interesting and challenging is sometimes required. One option is to make use of the cover that darkness provides us and go far a naked drive. It's not quite a good as being truly naked outdoors but is better than nothing. You can also "spice up" the activity by stopping at a suitable lay-by and walking round the vehicle. Try leaving the headlights on for added fun!

Another option for dark winter evenings is to make use of any outbuildings you have. I recently bought and erected a large timber shed to house my bikes and I've installing power and lighting. Once complete, I hope to be able to install a small heater and do some naked DIY.

When nudity at home looses it's thrill, it can sometimes be worth seeking out other indoor locations for nudity. It may take some skill and planning but finding ways to be alone in neighbours houses, the homes of friends and relatives and similar locations can provide some interesting secret naturism. Public buildings such as church and village halls might also offer opportunities for secret naturism, all you need do is to come up with a valid reason to be alone there.

One way to make outdoor nudity possible during the cold, dark winter evenings is to keep the duration of your nude outings short. It does not matter how cold it is, even during freezing weather you can easily manage quick bursts of outdoor nudity without getting too cold. The trick of staying warm is to stay active.

There are many ways of achieving this. One favourite is to take yourself to a location where there is a short circular trail or footpath you can follow. There you can strip off and walk or jog around the route, then dress again. Another way is to seek out interesting locations such as scenic viewpoints, hills tops, coastal cliffs, beaches, trig points and just get naked for a long of you can manage. It can all be quite thrilling if the locations are challenging or have an interesting atmosphere such as stone circles and graveyards!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 21, 2019, 07:31:54 AM
Feeling Guilty

When you've been raised into a society where nudity is frowned upon, many secret naturists, though not all, may find themselves experiencing feelings of guilt about their nudity, about their activities as a secret naturist. For some, these feelings do not arise, for some they are not an issue but for others it can be quite a problem. Feeling guilty after or during a secret naturist outing is an aspect of secret naturism we may need to deal with.

Let me start off by asking the question, why do we feel guilty? For myself personally, I think its down to the fact that we are doing something rather naughty, something that does not fit easily with the normal rules of society, perhaps doing something that is regarded as weird or stupid. We may not be actually breaking any laws as such, but we still feel uneasy about our activities. Secrecy may also come into it. By keeping our activities secret from family and close friends we may also be adding to our burden of guilt.

Personally, I'm no stranger to these feelings of guilt. On occasions in the past I've felt extremely uncomfortable about what I've been doing. On one such occasion I recall, I'd simply been out for a nude ramble in some woodland. I met no-one during the visit but on the drive home I felt that bad about what I'd done that I actually threw my bumbag with all my secret naturist clothing out the window! (I did return the next day to retrieve them but was unable to find them!)

There have also been times when an particular event has triggered these feelings, for example, when I've been seen naked or when I've had a close call. Strangely, I find that the late evening is often the time when I wonder what I'm doing with this secret naturist lark. Conversely, in early mornings, I find I'm very enthusiastic about secret naturism and want to get out there and get naked.

But when you actually look at it, there is really no reason why you need feel guilty, ashamed or uncomfortable about being a secret naturist. We are usually alone when naked and offend no-one. We are not causing any damage to property and we go out of our way to avoid people and causing them any embarrassment. What is wrong with being naked? After all we are born naked and the only real reason we need clothing is to keep warm.

There are, of course, other reasons, such as those deemed by society in general but physically we only need clothing to keep warm. When we look at some of the so-called primitive cultures found in warmer parts of the world, clothing only came into use after Christian missionaries came on the scene. At risk of being controversial I think that the bible and religion have much to answer for.

These days I find it much easier to cope with the odd occasion when I feel guilty about being a secret naturist. It's all down to mental attitude. When I find myself feeling guilty I just remind myself that I'm doing nothing wrong. I was born naked and that's the way I was meant to be. Society might frown upon my activities but I not breaking any laws and I'm not doing any harm to anyone.

Secret naturism is natural. It is simply the enjoyment of being naked in a variety of locations, while at the same time avoiding contact with members of the public. What is wrong with walking naked along a beach, rambling naked through a patch of woodland or riding a bike naked along a country lane? There is nothing wrong with any of these activities.

There have been times when I've tried to avoid anything to do with secret naturist, sometimes going so far as to destroy my secret naturism clothing and equipment and even erasing any web site I had online at the time. Yet I always eventually hear the call of the secret naturist. Often in the early morning I would get up and walk naked around the cool of the house and feel alive and refreshed. I would find myself standing naked on an exposed mountain top and realise that this is the only way to experience the world we live in, naked, barefoot and unashamed. Secret naturism is nothing to feel guilty about.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 21, 2019, 07:45:12 AM
I dunno. Maybe the end of guilt changes from SN to FRN. He just turned FRN to me in that last paragraph.

I don't think that I have had guilt from being naked since age 12 or thirteen, after the association with sexuality dissipated. As a teenager, I certainly didn't want the public ridicule at school that would probably be taken as "uncool."

As teenager, I can also remember riding plain out naked on the bumper of an old VW bug yelling and very drunk down a country road outside of B.C., Michigan. Teenagers and alcohol mix a strange brew.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 21, 2019, 12:08:38 PM
I have sometimes felt guilty about taking risks, though not necessarily about being nude in and of itself. I'm not sure if being nude is even supposed to be thrilling or not. Pleasurable and enjoyable, yes, but thrilling? And what about fun?

By the way, I've seen a couple of bumper stickers advertising, in so many words, nudism. Do you suppose there are any for Secret Naturism or Free Range Naturism? Actually, I've never had a bumper sticker on my car but I want to get one that says Bitte ein Bit.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 22, 2019, 11:38:34 PM
I the 80's I had a Deadhead sticker, about being one of Jerry's kids and one that said, "Freedom wasn't won with a registered gun"

In the 90's, I had a girlfriend that covered her entire back end of her van with stickers.

Today, I have one small one that says,"Thank you Snowden." There's a pic of him.

I once had "party naked" on my bumper. Since I carnude, it doesn't seem to be something that I want to broadcast.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 23, 2019, 12:33:24 AM
We have some differences.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on September 23, 2019, 09:40:48 AM
‘Dark nights’ expresses much of what made me uncomfortable with the concept of SN - being done for the thrill, the need to ‘spice up’ the activity if it starts feeling a bit ordinary. I have often felt on the alert when out naked in the woods, and have appreciated some aspects of this, but not the feeling that ‘I might be caught’, that it is something illicit but rather that it makes be more aware of what is going on around me, that I become more mindful of animal activity, that I spot deer and learn to recognise sounds of the woods.

Initially, I felt best when I thought it least likely that I would meet someone, so that I could just enjoy being in nature. As I have progressed, I am more comfortable that it is ok to meet someone who is also out enjoying nature, if without the same degree of freedom as myself, and that it will be a positive experience for both parties, putting all guilt ‘back in the box’.

I resented feelings of guilt that I sometimes experienced in the early days, as philosophically I felt that what I was doing was natural and healthy, but was still fighting my social conditioning and my personal issues, lack of confidence in myself. I still resent concerns that get me thinking about anything other than what is around me and what I am doing, ie that hinder mindfulness.

I feel at my best when I feel gently alert, mindful, connected, aware that I might meet someone but not pre-occupied, confident that what I am doing is natural and that I can deal with the situation naturally, by covering up respectfully or simply engaging them and saying ‘hi’.

Of course, SN may be forced on some where nudity is seen as illegal. As a strategy for dealing with that it is understandable. As a means of better observing what is going on in the woods, some of the strategies are useful but skulking and hiding (from people) are the actions of the guilty in mind.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 23, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
I mostly but not entirely agree with those sentiments. I go hiking--or walking--for a variety of reasons but "to be in nature" is not one of them. I'm always in nature. In fact, I'm part of it. It's no more unnatural to live in a house make of ticky-tack as it is to live in a cave. When possible, I like to hike without clothing, even if I'm wearing something on my feet and on my head. Technically that would make me not nude but try to convince the casual observer of that. The chief reason for not wearing clothes is that it's more comfortable as well as to feel the air. I do not find it uncomfortable to wear clothes, though. I am not that sensitive.

With the exception of one nudist club that I visited, I've never been anywhere where nudity was legal. I'm not sure that being nude has ever made me more aware of my surroundings, not after the first five minutes at least, nor do I believe it makes animals less cautious about me, although some do. It might make me exercise more care in walking, since a fall would do more damage than if I were wearing clothes. This I know from experience. I have also decided, by the way, that using a walking stick does not always make walking on rough trails easier. But that's another story.

I have no guilt about any of the nude hiking I've done.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 23, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
MartinM, well put once again. I think that you communicated my position.

There is a difference, as you say about being in an illegal place. Here, it is illegal, so a stealth practice, a craftiness has its place. I use stealth, rather than feel oppressed. I gather a greater sense of freedom, as I overcome what has been handed to me. The more adept and confident that I am being nude in public the more free I am. So, these tools are of great value.

It also serves a continuity between safe legal situations and outdoors, for example trailheads, or getting through more populous spots on my way to a more remote position.

I used to value the game of it, but I don't miss it. I confess that I find myself often feeling like thumbing my nose at the oppression, simply by getting away with free nudity to the point that I am not breaking law and circumventing injustice.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 23, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
 "It can all be quite thrilling if the locations are challenging or have an interesting atmosphere such as stone circles and graveyards!" from TSNH "Dark Nights.

In daylight We find special sites, spiritual connections, or energies. People show up for these things clothed, nude even better. It is an entirely different experience coming during the day as a tourist in droves from sneaking about at night alone with a special place.

Rattlesnakes put a damper on many of these nocturnal ambitions in Arizona.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 23, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
FIRST STEPS: FROM TSNH:

Many new-comers to secret naturism often ask how they should get started as a secret naturist. My initial advice is for caution. Don't be tempted to go for the big stuff you read about in the Reports section, just start small and simple and safe. A few would-be secret naturists have taken on more than they could handle at an early stage, going too far and too soon, and have landed in trouble. Some never to return to secret naturism again.

The first step I would recommend any budding secret naturist to do is to download this web site and read it at your leisure. Take your time and don't try and learn it all by heart, just take in some of the principles involved and also try and adhere to the values we hold on nudity. There are quite a few Reports you can read about secret naturist adventures. These will give you an idea what can be achieved and also some suggestions on what can be done in similar situations yourself.

So, what should you attempt on your first secret naturist outing. The first thing you need to look at is the location and a good example would be a patch of thick woodland without public footpaths or trails. This should also offer complete cover and concealment from prying eyes. It need not be very large, as you will not be moving about to any great extent. You should, of course, carry out a thorough investigation of the area beforehand, mainly to ascertain if you might be disturbed. This should be done fully clothed.

For your actual first outing, I would suggest you stay in the same location, keeping your clothing close to hand and don't move around too far. Perhaps you might spread out a travelling rug and spend some time reading or whatever. The main purpose being to get used to being naked outdoors. Even if you have experienced naturism at a nudist beach or whatever, this can be something quite different. Try this simple approach a few times at different locations until you gain confidence and can manage not to panic and get dressed at the slightest noise. You will likely notice that your senses are heightened and you will see and hear far more than when clothed.

The next stage is to start moving about while naked. At this stage you should carry your clothing with you, perhaps inside a bumbag but I would recommend you have at least shorts in your hand. This will allow you to cover up quickly if required. It will also help you gain confidence. You don't have to go far at this early stage, only a far as you feel comfortable with or within the limits of your chosen location. You might also want to plan this part during the night when the risk of being seen is usually much lower. As you gain confidence in your abilities, gradually increase the distance walked.

As you gain confidence at your abilities, you might wish to seek out different locations to practice your skills at moving naked around the countryside. You may be quite surprised to discover just how many places are suitable. You may have to selective where you go and when you go there and the most unlikely locations can provide some challenging possibilities.

The next stage is really not for beginners but you will come across it often in the web site. I'll mention it here, as it is the next logical stage to become a true secret naturist. To my mind, the ultimate achievement for the secret naturist is to be able to explore without the burden of clothing, and indeed of footwear
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Basically, this is exploring while leaving your clothing behind. This can be quite a challenge for even experienced secret naturists but again, start off small and build up. Begin by hiding your clothing and walking a few tens of metres away, go further if you wish. You may find the thrill quite exhilarating. Gradually increase the distance or duration of separation from your clothing. Soon you will be able to undertake considerable distances, even up to many miles.

To be honest, there are no magic formulae to becoming a secret naturist, it's really just a case of getting out there and doing it. However, one important aspect has not been mentioned, that of common sense. You need to apply good common sense to what you are doing. After all, being naked in public places is does have some risk of being seen, but with some care and attention you can attain some quite astounding achievements.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 23, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
"No backup," feeling "a little more naked," feeling more natural, all are attractive additions to being nude.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on September 23, 2019, 11:56:49 PM
Bluetrain - I understand the argument that everything in the world is natural and, on one level, you are correct. But that is not the original meaning of the word and it ceases to have useful meaning if used like that.  Normally, it refers to what is not man-made, and certainly not made with modern technology. Mankind has changed the world fundamentally in the last few millenia, much of that in just the last century or two. Our evolution hasn’t prepared us for this technological world.

There is a fundamental difference between living in a modern house with all its appliances and living in a cave, or a timber shack made with basic technology. The modern house largely coccoons us from the outside world while providing a host of technologies to make life more comfortable. The many man-made materials contain a variety of chemicals and the electronics give off an array of unnatural magnetic fields. Some of these have known effects but many of the longer term effects are inevitably unknown.We have not evolved to live in this environment.

Going out in nature, woods etc, is proven to have calming effects and to benefit both physical and mental health. Feeling the air on your skin is one part of it, as is breathing in the fresh air laden with the truly natural substances that the plants and trees exude which science is only beginning to study.

Every response is personal but we all benefit from time in nature. Gyms are proven not to have the beneficial effect that outdoor exercise has. Not everyone is interested in the natural world around them, despite its benefits, but for me at least, the vulnerability inherent in being naked connects me more closely with my environment. How could it not when you can feel every breath of wind on your skin, the earth beneath your feet and the instant warmth of a ray of sunshine.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 24, 2019, 12:10:44 AM
Even though we seem to have had a few similar experiences, our reactions have not been the same. But then, we may not have been out for the same reasons. The only stone circle I've visited was Stonehenge and I failed to have a spiritual connection while there. Maybe it was the rain that shorted everything out. Graveyards are something else, although there are only three or four that we have visited to visit graves of relatives, including Arlington National Cemetery, where my wife's grandparents are buried and also two of my son-in-law's relatives, one of whom was only buried a week ago. It was one of his grandmothers, who actually served in the R.A.F. in WWII. Visiting cemeteries is a very sad experience for me, although I don't feel any spiritual connections. Maybe I need to go at night or something.

I have actually hiked at night in Shenandoah National Park (not nude, though). Not difficult at all if the moon is out and if the trail isn't too bad. Much of the trails I've been on there have really been green tunnels, as they have been described, but they aren't all like that.

Now, responding to MartinM's post, which has appeared this instant. I've lived in a log house with a wood-burning range in the kitchen and a coal-burning stove in the other room. The house had no bathroom and no telephone. There was electricity, though, which was a relative recent addition (this was in the early 1960s). So, I've had that experience. It was all man-made, it is true. There was a large garden that required a lot of work and wood had to be split for the stove. The place was surrounded by the woods. No one there would have understood anything you were talking about and no one went to a gym. Everyone was just about as connected with nature as they cared to be. Me, I went to college and aside from my time in the army and the jobs I did getting through school (including work on a tobacco farm), I spent the rest of my life after graduation until I retired last year working in an office polishing the seat of my pants. Yet I do not feel disconnected from nature. The warmth of a ray of sunshine is nice sometimes but this time of the year it feels better to be in the cool and shady woods. I probably have about ten good years left to enjoy all that and after that, who knows?

I think it helps to have a definite goal for an outing, be it hiking or camping, although it doesn't need to be difficult or grandiose. In fact, making the rounds of a ten-mile circle hike is a minor achievement. But I generally have a particular thing I want to accomplish on any given outing. And in planning the next trip, I usually have something in mind that I want to do differently.

Although I'm not sure if hiking nude is ever the primary object of a given hike (it probably is, though), it is usually something I intended doing. In theory, I have more flexibility, if not freedom, for trips these days but that mostly means that I don't have to worry so much about rain--not that we've had much rain lately. Anyway, the possibility of hiking nude for a while is always part of my plans, at least in warmer weather.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 24, 2019, 12:44:45 AM
The experience of nature is more than being knowledgeable enough to survive. There has been terrific destructive insensitivity and ignorance in the settling of this country. Knowing how to survive in a particular way is not the end all be all in knowing nature, its spirit, or many values and blessings that it gives. Getting along as a farmer is generally very much the opposite.

A farmer may be closer to the land and the environment than the city's counterpart, but a farmer won't understand more than he needs to know. A big piece of my family tree were Kansan farmers. I spent plenty of time appreciating their food, homes, the ethic, the variety of skills, the social fabric, but past that, they were farmers, and about profit. Their spiritual orientation was go respectfully and responsibly to church on Sunday. It had nothing to do with the spirit of nature, or the ecology. For example, flowers, were there to be picked and stuck in a glass of water, not expressions of life. They were not in touch with their feelings, or their bodies. They repressed.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 24, 2019, 01:23:27 PM
I disagree, naturally. Why should a farmer understand more than he needs to know? He probably doesn't understand as much as he needs to know in the first place and anyway, he actually has very little control over a lot of things that are important to him. He has no control over the weather, prices and in fact, much of anything. Some of my recent ancestors were farmers in places that were hard places to be farmers. So they ultimately left when the leaving was good, in a manner off speaking.

On the other hand, you are correct in that they did not visualize anything as "natural" or (in Frank Lloyd Wright's favorite word) "organic." They didn't build a house as if it were part of nature. They built a house, once past the log cabin stage, that was stark white, totally separate from the land. The land, that is, nature, is neutral in all of this. Going to church (in the wildwood) was a community affair more than anything, I think. Our community spirit is pretty weak these days.

My wife cuts flowers and puts them in a glass of water. But she grew them for that purpose.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 27, 2019, 06:54:05 AM
Going Public: from TSNH:

For most of my secret naturist career I've mostly kept my activities quiet, few people knowing about what I got up to. Even when I suggested to my wife that I actually walked naked when out in the hills, she didn't believe me. This led me to thinking about why I was keeping my activities a secret. Should I be more open or continue following my rule of keeping quiet?

The first thing I considered was what effect would it have on me personally if it were widely known that I devised the term secret naturism, managed a web site on the matter and was also an active participant. I answered this by looking at what was already known by others about myself and the topic of secret naturism.

At home my wife, although I have not said specifically what I get up to, seems to be aware of secret naturism. Mostly her reaction is one of "I don't believe you". It's also well known in the family that I like to walk about naked but other than a few smiles, there is little reaction.

At my previous place of work someone discovered the web site and put two and two together. After I openly admitted I was actually "Corbie" there was again little by way of reaction other than a few smiles and odd looks. Nothing seemed to affect me in any way at work. I have always been regarded as somewhat eccentric anyway, so that might have helped.

To be honest, in my own circumstances, having it known that I was a secret naturist would have few if any serious consequences. Had I been working in a field other than IT, things might be different. At present, I suppose you could say I'm a semi-secret naturist. A few people are aware but most are not.

The next matter I thought about is would there be any benefits to "going public". Having a close family member who was aware of your activities might actually be useful. Should you wish to try some challenges such as cross country travel without carrying clothing, they might be willing to assist you with transport to and from location. Another possible benefit might be that you are approached by people intrigued by the idea of exploring the countryside naked. They may even ask to accompany you on an outing. Back home again, I think that coming out properly would make it easier to spend time working on the web site. As for assistance with the more extreme outing, I suspect not.

That still leaves the question of whether it would be wise to come out or to continue to keep things secret. Sadly, there is no easy answer to that question. It is very much down to the circumstances of the individual that will determine what the answer would be.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 27, 2019, 06:54:55 AM
She didn't believe him!
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 29, 2019, 05:08:30 PM
I think you've probably considered all the possibilities, JB. But I think there is more than either keeping something secret and making something public. That is, it's not either-or. It is a private activity, of course, but that only means that it's something you do that really isn't anyone else's business, no more than skydiving might be. It's entirely possible that some employers would frown on skydiving by one of their very valuable employees, something I probably never was.

The trick is, and it is tricky, to conduct yourself in the presence of others so that no one would be surprised by anything you do. If there's something you do that you don't want anyone to know about, then reconsider doing it. There should be no shame in telling anyone you're a nudist (they'd understand that but 'naturist' might need an explanation), if the subject just happened to come up. Just don't go telling everyone about it. Doing that gets on people's nerves. But people differ.

Some people are very open with their lives, sometimes to the point of being tedious. Others, while not in any way secretive, tend not to talk about their private lives very often. They may freely answer questions (like, "where did you go to school?"), stuff like that. Here I'm thinking of people you know at work, who typically you know better than your neighbors because you spend more time with them. The term for them might be "businesslike" in an office situation. Likewise, from the other side, there are those who are inquisitive about you and others who never express any interest at all. Here I am assuming you know your colleagues well enough not say the wrong thing to the wrong person. But chances are, you already know all this.

I'm not qualified to give marriage advice, however, my experience being so limited. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on September 30, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
Yea, it is individual and depends on the situation. Work is different, if you work in say a school system. I'm retired, but I have spiritual activity groups that I just don't mention my naturism to. It doesn't mesh with my goals. It's not important enough to involve one with the other. One might even interfere with the goals of the other.

I don't talk much of my spiritual stuff unless it pertains to naturism among naturist and I don't go too deeply into it. Most don't care, a few are interested, it can be touchy.

I don't hide, but yea, sometimes, ain't nobody's business but ma own. I'm many things and I don't care to be categorized, or pigeonholed by others because of one thing that stands out to them.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on September 30, 2019, 09:17:42 PM
I think I know what you're saying and I mostly understand. I would describe it as compartmentalizing your life. I think it's something that happens quite naturally and normally. When you have a job (that is, when you get up and go to work), it's like you live two different lives in two different worlds. It varies with different people but I talked a lot about my home life with some people, not at all with other people at work. And at home, I usually said very little about things at work. My father never talked about his job when he was at home. My wife was a schoolteacher until she retired two years ago and boy, did she ever bring her job home with her. She probably never got a chance to talk about her home life at school.

Another thing is where you meet people. My father, again, had jobs that had him traveling around the area everyday, first as a route man, then as a rural mail carrier. He knew people everywhere. Everywhere but at home, where he didn't know anywhere near as many people. It eventually developed that most of the people I knew were those where I worked. But most of those relationships are really pretty shallow and few of your own interests would ever be mentioned. So, mostly, there is no pressure to tell everyone much of anything, really.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 01, 2019, 10:41:05 PM
GOING SOLO: From TSNH:
The very nature of secret naturist activities, being out at odd hours, perhaps late at night or in the wee hours of the morning, in out of the way places and also on your own, can place the secret naturist at risk from injury, getting lost or benighted or many other mishaps. Some thought must be given to what you can do to get help should one of these happen to you.

The first and probably best thing you can do is to let someone know where you are going, what route you propose to take, when you intend to return and when to call for help when you are overdue. The rescue services will be able to find you far quicker than if they only had an approximate idea of where you might be. For this reason it is also important not to stray too far from your planned route. Obviously, you do not tell someone what you are doing, i.e. that you are walking naked, but you can tell them your cover story.

As far as safety equipment is concerned, I carry very little, preferring to travel light and fast. However, I do carry at all times a small plastic whistle - one lives permanently inside each bumbag - which can be used to attract the attention of anyone in the area. Make sure you purchase a proper whistle from an outdoor shop. These have a greater range than ordinary whistles and your blasts can be heard up to 1000m away, much further than you can shout. The internationally recognised distress signal is 6 blasts in succession repeated at 1 minute intervals.

Another useful and compact device is the mobile phone. Size and weight are decreasing almost every week and small phones can be carried inside your bumbag for emergencies. Note that not all service providers have full coverage of the entire country, make sure you choose the most suitable for your area. You should also have the required phone numbers already installed in the phones memory.

A widely used method of leaving information with a trusted person is the route card. The route card is simply a piece of paper containing details of your route, times, plans and the like, that is left with a friend or relative before going out alone into the countryside. Be sure to call in on your return to say you are safe and well.

Details your route card should include:
•   Today's date and time.
•   Full name.
•   Full address.
•   Your home phone number.
•   Mobile phone number if you have one.
•   Emergency phone number.
•   Time due back.
•   Time to raise alarm.
•   Outline of route including start and finish points.
•   Name of close family contact.
•   Equipment taken.

I don't want this page to put you off going solo but I've been going solo in the countryside for 30 years and have never had any problems. By carrying two small items, a plastic whistle and a mobile phone, you should be able to get help should a problem occur.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 01, 2019, 10:51:08 PM
I often do these things. Sometimes, I just head out the back door and go for hours spontaneously. If I got in trouble, I'd be in trouble, so I'm careful.

I got carried away this Spring in Tortolita Hills and ended up in a bushwhack, rock climb and then lost, but I figured it out. The weather was changing, I was completely naked but shoes and tired. I felt very vulnerable. Story to be published this fall, or winter.

Either there are too many people around that it is dangerous to be caught, or seen, or I'm so remote nobody would be by for a long time. Safety in numbers.

I've never taken a whistle.

Was it Eyesup that had a Boy Scout list? I make sure that I carry more than enough water and have backup waiting in the car.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 01, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
One thing we miss from childhood (that is, before we turned 30) is doing something spontaneously. But we eventually have to do some planning for longer trips and fewer opportunities. Here are some of my own thoughts.

I don't have a cell phone. I don't know how I have escaped having one. But I manage well enough without one. I don't carry a whistle, either. Don't think I even have one. However, I don't go where nobody else goes, so sooner or later, someone will find my body. But I do tell my wife where I plan to go, and also for a Plan B, in case the road is closed or something, which has happened a few times.

I used to carry what I thought was a tolerably complete first aid kit but upon reflection, I decided that it wasn't really adequate for a real medical emergency and mostly unnecessary for what it was good for. But I still take it along on overnight trips anywhere. I decided that the most likely real emergency you might have to deal with on a day trip was a puncture wound or very bad cut, the former from a fall, the latter from a knife. So I now, all I carry is an army field dressing and a small assortment of ordinary bandages. I think about having a bad fall all the time but I really don't have anything specifically to deal with a broken bone or bad sprain. In the meantime, I just try to be very, very careful, which is good enough 90% of the time, hopefully.

I might add some other thoughts later but that's enough for now.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 01, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
Hiking, I carry duct tape (Gorilla), cotton and some bandages. I have some alcohol pads, a tweezer and a strip of dental floss. I have a two ounce razor knife with me sometimes. I'll carry a special tent stake for digging latrines and a half a dozen other potentials. It is sharpened and dangerous. I carry about the same backpacking, but I add a breaching tomahawk and leave the tent stake at home.

Usually, I just have the tweezers for a shorter hike, with a piece of paper and a pen.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 02, 2019, 12:11:08 AM
I have to point out that my comments were about hiking in general, not about hiking nude especially. But as for hiking nude, the only thing additional is to exercise additional care to prevent a fall in rocky places. But since one would be wearing very little anyway if you weren't nude, you would do well to be extra careful all the time, with all the exposed skin. So being nude isn't really that different. I usually use insect repellant but I've always wondered if it made much difference. As I frequently point out, the mosquitos are worse in my back yard than they are anywhere else I've ever been, which is curious. There are certainly insects a-plenty in the woods but not as bad as all that, at least when you're on the move. I still believe the worst danger in the woods is suffering a fall, provided you aren't playing with fire, axes or knives. I have also been hiking nude since before I finished high school, although there were some years I did none, not having any opportunities. But I guess you have to work to make the opportunities sometimes.

I have a fairly standard list of things I take when hiking, even on a two-mile outing but it's nothing special, although it's varied quite a bit over the years. In over 50 years of being in the woods and sometimes other places, I've almost never used a knife or 1st aid items but they're there just the same.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 02, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
Yea, my razor knife is like new. I stepped on a rock that I had stepped on many times before, but it flipped. I fell pretty bad, but no breaks, just blood and inflammation. That's it. I'm moving with less dexterity as time marches on and I'm at increased risk. Still, I move pretty good and I'm getting younger for some days to come, as I use it or lose it. Knock on wood, that's it in all of the years. I also carry ibuprofen and opiates for more extreme inflammation on the trail. My first aide kit has other uses and still weighs only a couple of ounces. Its space is less than a deck of credit cards. Duct tape for patching, wrapping, expanding, on and on. Dental floss for teeth, cord etc. Uses that I haven't though of, yet. 

If I'm just out for a couple of miles walk , nothing, works pretty well. Camera and water. To Havarock, I've gone in flip flops quite often. I love user friendly spots where I can leave literally everything and just wander, especially with DF in hand.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 02, 2019, 11:14:06 PM
Well, I already mentioned a few weeks ago about falling in the creek on one my daily walks. That was a first, falling in a creek.

I always laugh when someone says a bandana has a hundred uses. Mine has two and if I use it for one, I won't use it for the other. But I also carry a pair of cheap cotton jersey knit gloves. They have 98 uses. The brown ones don't have to be broken in like the white ones.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 03, 2019, 12:52:03 AM
Backpacking, especially when I'll be working with ash, old firepits, wood, fire, I take ma trusty deerskin gloves. They are warm, and durable and lightweight. Scorpions and some critters can't get through them. What other uses do you put your "cheap cotton jersey knit gloves" through?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 03, 2019, 01:12:49 AM
Mainly they're for keeping my hands clean as well as handling hot things as well as anything else I don't want my hands on, like poison ivy and frogs. If you'll give me a few days I'm sure I can come up with 90 more. Not bad for wiping your nose if you run out of handkerchiefs. Not much good for keeping the hands warm unless worn under wood choppers mitts. More useful at home than in the woods, to be honest.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 04, 2019, 12:27:43 PM
KEEPING SECRETS: From TSNH:

As secret naturists we usually need to keep our activities secret from friends, family and colleagues and this can be one of the most difficult things to do. It is so easy and tempting to reveal your secret, especially when you have just had an amazing secret naturist outing that you want to tell the world about. The simple rule is Say Nothing.

There are eight rules to consider when keeping secrets:

Rule 1 - Any activity leaves clues behind
Everything you do will leave a trail such as footprints in the grass or a person who sees your parked vehicle. Even your absence from home during a secret naturist activity represents a clue. Try and reduce the number of clues that link you to your secret naturist activities and make any clues that remain difficult to find or park your vehicle away from the area where your outing will take place. For example, follow an existing trail rather than force a new one.  Associate your activities with another activity i.e. bird watching. In other words use a cover story.

Rule 2 - Limit the number of people involved
The more people who know about your secret naturist activities, the greater the risk of your secret being discovered. The ideal number of people who know you are a secret naturist is one - yourself. And even then, human nature can make it tempting to talk about an exciting outing or hint that you were doing something secretive. There is also an increased risk when someone knows of your secret, such as a spouse.

Rule 3 - Have a good cover story
You need a plausible, consistent, and believable cover story, delivered in a believable manner, that explains your actions or covers up for them. For example, by bird watching you have good reason to be skulking about in thick woodland. However, it is not enough just to say you are into bird watching, you really should actually do it and know your subject well.

Rule 4 - Build up credibility for your cover story
It is no use suddenly announcing that you are going bird watching to a friend or family member if you have never looked at a wild bird in your life and cannot tell a sparrow from a sparrow hawk. Build up gradually. Start by announcing you want a new hobby and look around. Actually go out and practice your cover story. The best way to hide secret activities is to mask them in your normal everyday activities. Good examples are, exercising the dog and walking to keep fit.

Rule 5 - Learn to Lie Effectively
No matter how well you prepare your cover story, hide your activities and maintain your secret, you will at some point be asked a question to which you will have to lie or at least bend the truth to maintain the secrecy of your activities. Learn to lie well and effectively.

Rule 6 - Prepare for the unexpected
There are so many variables to keeping a secret that the odds of "something" happening are often quite high. Try and think out what is likely to go wrong and give some thought to what you might do. Look at the elements of your secret naturist activities that are most vulnerable and plan accordingly.

Rule 7 - Stay calm, don't panic, think
Secret naturism often requires you to think "on-your-feet". For example, suppose someone saw you (dressed) going to or coming from a secret naturist outing and had previously seen someone naked in the same area and had asked if it was you. Don't panic and give yourself away by starting to explain, give alibis, and otherwise act guilty. Stay calm, act normal, find out what they know or suspect before you do or say anything. Remember the fact that someone may think it odd to find you in a certain place, or out at a certain time, does not automatically mean they suspect you of anything.

Rule 8 - Make a list and check it twice
Before any secret naturist activity make a list. Write down your plan and the sequence of events involved, then think about what clues you will leave behind and what might be done about them. Also think what might go wrong and what their solutions would be, if possible. Pay attention to the details. Little details matter. Make sure you destroy the list when you are finished.
One of the problems with being a secret naturist is the fact that your activities, at least in most instances, need to be kept secret. Should work colleagues, friends or family find out about your clandestine naturist activities there would be questions asked and it is usually best to keep quiet about these things.

Here are a few useful hints and tip that will help you keep your secret naturist activities secret:

1. If you must keep a journal of your secret naturist outings, make sure it is well hidden from prying eyes. If in electronic format, use encryption software. If kept on paper, don't.

2. Never use "factual" information that could lead to you being identified. Use a cover or secret naturist name rather than your real one. Same goes for your email address.

3. After all secret naturist outing, check yourself over for splatters of mud, insect bites, ticks, scratches and so on. If you find anything, fix it, or have an excuse ready.

4. Avoid sudden changes in behaviour or sudden alterations to your normal routine. Make such changes gradually over time to avoid arousing suspicion. A good tip is to make these changes as part of your new interests e.g. bird watching.

5. Consider the fact that the consequences of it becoming known that you have been keeping secrets and perhaps telling lies, might be greater than not keeping the secret in the first place. It might actually be better to own up?

7. Anything hidden will always have some degree of risk of being found. The less you have to hide the less there is to find.
With regards to secret naturism, I would always advise honesty, at least with close family. It may be the keeping of the secret itself that does more harm than the actual secret naturist activity. With any other persons I would generally keep quiet, although this generally depends on individual circumstances. Think it through carefully before coming out!

So, what can you do to keep the big secret?

•   Avoid an all-over tan. You will be questioned why your bottom is tanned.
•   Never lie, tell the truth. If you went for a nude walk and were asked what you were doing, say you went for a walk but don't mention you were nude.
•   Prepare a secure storage area for secret naturist stuff. Better still make your secret naturist stuff look normal.
•   Take up hobbies that will take you outdoors during "secret naturist hours".
•   You can often get scratched while naked. Have a suitable reply if asked.
The internet is one of the easiest ways of letting your secret out. Follow these tips:
•   Empty your browser cache if looking at this or similar websites.
•   Similarly, clear your history folder. You do not want anyone looking at where you have been surfing.
•   Avoid browser bookmarks, if possible. Try and remember what the URL was.
•   Never use someone else's email address to correspond about secret naturism.
•   Avoid printing out pages from this web site or printing out emails. They could be found.
•   Use an online email address and don't keep emails and addresses offline.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on October 04, 2019, 01:05:59 PM

Was it Lookie or Corbie that wrote the handbook, Jbee?
This last post indicates a level of caution and secrecy that that I had forgotten about in the TSNS Community.  The author was obviously a wee bit paranoid about being discovered.  I am happy to say that, these days I am much more relaxed about my SN (and yes, I am not shy of using the term) but I do still always exercise some of the cautions that the Keeping Secrets page articulates.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 04, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
I guess this means I can't have a bumper sticker promoting nudism, huh?
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on October 04, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
I won't accept lying.  Lying destroys your own honor and self image.  Some of this list is not acceptable, and may be dangerous.  Here's my take.

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Rule 1 - Any activity leaves clues behind

Always leave a message telling someone where you went and when to expect you back.  A broken ankle on the trail could leave you dead if nobody knows where to go look for you.

Bare feet do a lot less damage to the path and leave a lot less evidence of your passage.

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Rule 2 - Limit the number of people involved

We are a social species.  Don't hike alone unless you don't have someone to share with.  There is safety in numbers.

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Rule 3 - Have a good cover story

Your cover story should be true.  Don't claim bird watching unless you are bird watching.  Saying you are “enjoying nature” is cover story enough when you aren't covered.

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Rule 4 - Build up credibility for your cover story

Be honest.  Don't say you are bird watching, or mushroom gathering, or whatever unless you actually are.   Getting exercise from walking is enough of an honest story.

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Rule 5 - Learn to Lie Effectively

Honorable men do not lie.  Learn to tell the truth all the time.  Be an honest and honorable person.  The truth is always better than a lie. 

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Rule 6 - Prepare for the unexpected

Have a plan for when you encounter someone else.  If you don't have a plan you may panic and hide.

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Rule 7 - Stay calm, don't panic, think

Have a plan for when you encounter someone else.  If you don't have a plan you may panic and hide.  Act as if hiking naked is common and normal.  Just say “Howdy” or similar and carry on.

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Rule 8 - Make a list and check it twice

After a few excursions your naked adventures will be habit so you no longer need a list.


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5. Consider the fact that the consequences of it becoming known that you have been keeping secrets and perhaps telling lies, might be greater than not keeping the secret in the first place. It might actually be better to own up?

Lying destroys your soul, and you know you are a dishonorable liar.  You don't have to tell everything you know, but everything you tell should be the truth.  This list is unacceptable and wrong for honorable men.



Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 04, 2019, 08:20:18 PM
For once, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Bob. He knows.

I don't know if I've said anything about the whole idea of secrecy. Hiking may be a private affair but it probably shouldn't be secret. It's like you're trying to evade the VoPo's (the people's police), although there may be good reason to do that. The Appalachian Trail happens to pass quite close to Camp David, the presidential retreat and there may indeed be lurkers lurking. We've also had a discussion about trail cameras.

I will admit at this point that under certain circumstances, being seen nude might get you labeled as a sex offender and that's worse than being caught with your mistress--I think. Other factors apply.

Telling someone where you're going and so on is commonly done and makes sense. You certainly don't have to mentioned that , by the way, I'll be naked, if it embarrasses you. If you leave after dark and come back before it gets light, I have no further advice in that respect.

Sometimes I make a list and check it twice. I always have a list but don't always check it twice. And sometimes I make a bad decision at the trailhead, where final decisions and preparations are made. Do as I say, not as I do.

Here's a surprise for you: Horace Kephart, who was writing about hiking and camping a hundred years ago, and whose writing has scarcely become dated, mentioned hidden trails. Or rather, hidden camps. He recognized that other people who may be less than honorable also might be tramping around in the woods and that it was desirable to have a hidden camp. So he gave a few tips about ways to place a camp where others would be unlikely to discover. A secret camp, in other words. Nothing really about secret hiking, though.

Although I am not against group hiking or with another person (even your spouse), it's always problematic. Everything about the trip will be a compromise. It can even cancel out the whole object of the trip but with the right person (even your spouse), it can be nice. The only other person I've hiked nude with was my wife, so far.

If you want to walk barefooted, go right ahead. The trails I take cannot be damaged by human boots. I realize it may seem a little weird to hike naked--except for footwear. But I'm no purist. However, leaving the trail is usually official discouraged. That doesn't keep whoever it is that decides these things from relocating the trail now and then, always making it more difficult. The trail probably isn't natural to begin with, so don't worry about damaging it.

Be secretive if you must. But always be discreet. Kind, trustworthy, loyal, etc., etc., etc.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 04, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
DF asked why I was buying all camouflage and dull green stuff. Stealth camping. I want to know that I can walk away naked and come back to my stuff. I want a private place. I don't want people to see my camp and know that I'm not around. I make it look like occupied or sleeping. I don't like black ash in frequented campsites generally. I like solitude. regular spots often have ants.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 04, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Nuduke, you could probably use some of these old tools of the craft considering your wife and community relations to contend with.

Corbie and Lookee are one in the same. Refer to the earlier chapters.

I used to have more use for these things to keep away the repression of my rights. DF and I have stripped down to the point that such tactics are generally not necessary. She prefers to not have to be confronted by some of her family, so we keep our mouths shut and practice discretion. They know a bit about us running naked in the woods. We’re not doing naturism for anyone but ourselves, so it isn’t necessary to include them. There are lots of people out there for getting the body freedom word out.

Bluetrain: Ya probably shouldn’t have that bumper sticker if you plan to carnude.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 04, 2019, 10:51:43 PM
I'll keep that in mind. I used to do that now and then. Oddly enough, when I was in college I used to do a lot of driving back and forth to home, usually at night. I never thought of driving nude. It would not have been practical, though, for my 1965 Land-Rover was cold in the winter and I swear, the winters were worse then, at least where I lived.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 05, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
I like to strive to adhere to rigorous honesty and authenticity. Then, there are things that ain't nobodies business but ma own. There are, "I just don't need the hassle." There are, "Ain't no changing them anyways." All practical white lies, when someone would do me harm, or harassment, if they knew the truth, impinging on my personal freedom, or boundaries.

Being free sometimes requires being out of the realm of others impositions. It is lying to maintain my privacy. I don't have to let everyone read my mail to maintain honesty. It is nice to be an open book, to be naked, to purge when pent up whenever possible, but then I'm open to attack and social games and repercussions. It can be that people that allow honesty with acceptance and trust become friends and the other's get white lied to.

Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 05, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
I don't know what authentic is but social connections can be complicated. And that's an understatement. Some people play games, others don't. Some people you can't stand to be around, too. That's bad if you work at the same place. (By the way, I've worked for different companies of about the same size in one location, never in a gigantic plant).

If my life were an open book, few people would bother reading past the first two or three pages. Yet.....

Yet there's always more to one's life than one sometimes appreciate. I wasn't part of the inner circle, the social crowd, in high school. But at the 50th reunion a few years ago, people still remembered me, including all the inner circle. I never really realized that I was that well known, although I was elected a 'senior superlative.' I was the quietest. I still am but you'd never know that from what I've written. Wasn't a very big school, though.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on October 06, 2019, 10:58:04 AM
if you tell lies you have to be able to remember what you told and to whom,   far easier to tell the truth but not necessarily all the truth.

i always ramble alone ,usually on the spur of the moment,without telling anyone where im going.   but in the uk its rarely more than a couple of miles from the carpark, usually on well defined footpaths in some sort of wildlife reserve which are rarely more than a couple of hundred acres and often a lot smaller.  the dog walkers will be around early evening to find the body.

i always carry a camera of some description often a dslr with silly lenses,  just acquired a butterfly book to enhance the cover story.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 06, 2019, 12:08:49 PM
Well, here's an eyeopener.

In yesterday's Washington Post (10/5/19), there was a letter to the editor about an editorial/political cartoon depicting lightening inscribing a tablet "Thou shalt not lie!," with an elephant character saying "Except to the media, right?" The writer said the 10 commandments do not include that prohibition. Instead, it says "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor." The writer went on to explain how it's okay to lie. I imagine that comes as a great relief to many people--if that interpretation holds water.

The writer did not explain why the commandants were written in Jacobean English, however, something I've always wondered about.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on October 07, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
as i understood it the commandments , indeed the whole bible, that we read in english were a translation from latin by medieval english monks.   the latin they worked from , on the old testement ,was a translation of ancient greek which in turn was a translation from aramaic?.   

not only have you got multiple translations but youve also got the prejudices of the monks to factor in.    in some respects the translation will reinforce the message that the translator wants to impose on the unwashed uneducated masses.

no im not a beleiver :)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 07, 2019, 09:45:09 PM
Leave No Trace:

Our policy of Leave No Trace follows on from our desire to avoid contact with or being seen by members of the public while naked. This policy takes secret naturist principles a stage further - to try and avoid leaving any trace of our activities or presence.

All activities in the countryside or in urban areas will leave some trace or another, be it a footprint on the beach or startled cat on an urban street and it is almost impossible not to leave some evidence of your passing. As a rule all secret naturists should take reasonable steps to minimise any evidence that they have passed through any given area. The following advice should be adhered to at all times:

1. Leave nothing but footprints. Leave nothing behind that would indicate your presence. If possible walk on durable surfaces such as gravel, rock, dry grasses or snow. Pack out all trash, leftover food, and litter.

2. Leave the natural world as you find it. Interesting rocks, fossils, plants and other natural objects should be left in-situ. Feel free to examine them but place them back in the same position you found them.

3. Concentrate use on existing trails and roads to avoid creating new trails though pristine areas. On existing trails follow the course that will leave the least trace.

4. Avoid building fires unless in survival situations. A fire will not only do lasting damage to the land but will soon draw attention to yourself. If cooking, use a portable camping stove.

5. Observe wildlife from a distance and do not follow or approach them. By avoiding disturbance to wildlife, you help maintain the natural rhythm of the countryside. By disturbing wildlife, you draw attention to your presence. Avoid wildlife particularly during sensitive times: mating, nesting, raising young, or in winter.

6. Control pets at all times, or better still, leave them at home. Pets such as dogs can be difficult to control and will disturb wildlife just be being there. A dog is also a liability to the secret naturist.

7. Let nature's sounds prevail. Avoid loud voices and noises, even keeping your footsteps as silent as possible. By travelling silently not only will you hear and see more but you will also have advanced warning of other people in the area.

8. During rest stops, select a location away from the main trail where disturbance to vegetation will be minimised or will soon recover. Always have a final check that nothing has been left behind.

The only exceptions to this Leave No Trace policy are secret naturist calling cards and bare footprints. Bare footprints are excepted as they are totally natural and may make people who find them pause for thought. Just a little fun!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 07, 2019, 09:54:14 PM
Some of this reminds me of my old Cub Scout lesson to walk like a warrior. No tracks, tread lightly, on surfaces that will leave little evidence, or disturbance. Use all senses.

Be kind to the vegetation like brothers, I talk to them. I leave no evidence or trace, I don't disturb their growth and survival and abundance. It is all alive, just as much as me. I sense the brush, even if I don't brush it when nude. I don't chase animals, even though they think that I'm after them.

Our five finger shoes, I'm sure confuse many people with their odd tracks.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 08, 2019, 07:14:12 PM
Making Contact
It can happen to every secret naturist at some time or other. Despite all the skills they employ, be it going out after dark or in the small hours of the morning - one day they will have a close encounter, not with aliens which might not be a problem, but with people.

How the secret naturist reacts to any close encounter will depend on a number of factors, such as if you have been seen or not, if the person or persons show hostile reactions and so on. Perhaps, you have seen them but not they you, or you can hear people but they are still out of sight. Whatever the situation, it's difficult to suggest any set action because the circumstances of each encounter will differ and variables such as amount of time to react, distance between secret naturist and possible observer, etc, will also effect the response.

However, there are various suggested actions that the secret naturist can take before, during and after an encounter and the secret naturist should plan and rehearse a few scenarios in advance of the event occurring. If you have detected people but are yourself still unseen, if time allows and when carrying clothing, get dressed as quickly as possible. You can then continue until they are out of sight, then strip off again. If not carrying clothing, you should seek cover until they are passed. If no cover is available, you will just have to remain naked, smile and exchange pleasantries as you pass. Do not panic and run away, it gives the wrong impression.

If seen by an observer and if carrying clothing, slip on shorts to avoid offending the person and then apologise, saying you have been taken unawares and that you are a naturist. Again, as previously, if no clothing is available, you will just have to remain naked, smile and exchange pleasantries as you pass. It is best not to seek cover as this just arouses suspicion. In both the above cases, should the person become hostile, do not start to try and reason with them, they may become aggressive. In this case, I would strongly suggest you vacate the area immediately.

Explaining why you are naked can go some way towards maintaining good relations. The best, and in my opinion, the only answer to give, it that you are a naturist or nudist, who enjoys walking naked outdoors. Always act normally and openly, avoid behaving in a suspicious manner. If they see you as a simple eccentric, problems are less likely to occur.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 08, 2019, 07:26:41 PM
These "Making contact" issues have been covered elsewhere extensively in this site. I do find that this article slips over the borders of SN and into the realm of practicing FRN.

So ends the "Articles" section of the Secret Naturist Handbook. The next section is a list of activities and discussion of each. There are 16 listed. Corbie's/Lookee's label for the section is "ACTIVITIES." I'll list a new one for your discussion and review every few days.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 11, 2019, 06:42:18 AM
Driving Nude: From TSNH:

There are often times when the weather is too cold to be comfortably naked outdoors for any length of time, such as during the dark winter months and driving nude is the ideal activity for the secret naturist who wishes to stay active throughout the year.

The first thing to be aware of when nude driving is that you are actually more hidden from view than you might think. Generally, other road users will only see you from the chest upwards and the important parts are well hidden by the vehicle bodywork. If you drive at night, there is very little risk of someone realising your are actually naked, at least away from urban areas. The notable exception is high sided vehicles such as buses, lorries and four wheel drives, any vehicles that might look down on your own vehicle. A simple way round this is to keep something within easy reach on the passenger seat to cover up with.

Getting started in nude driving is quite straight forward. Beginners would be well advised to start off driving nude away from built up areas, where there is no street lighting and pedestrians to see what you are up to. I've managed some quite extensive drives in the country and 50 miles is not that difficult to achieve around my home town of Edinburgh.

Night is probably the best time to get started when you have the additional security of darkness to hide your nudity. You might think that the headlights of other vehicles will light up your naked self but this is not the case. To see this for yourself, next time you are driving at night look and see how much of other drivers you can see and you will see that nothing much is visible.
For the more adventurous secret naturist, you could leave clothing at home and go for a nude drive. This is something I have been planning to do for some time and my present circumstances are much more favourable in this respect. There is, of course, some risk with this should you become immobile for whatever reason. Carrying your clothing in the boot is a good compromise.

Interestingly, the thrill of nude driving does seem to wear of quite quickly and can be revitalised to some extent by driving nude through urban areas. However, you should not allow yourself to get into the realms of exhibitionism. This is not what secret naturism is about. A simple and easy way of adding some thrill to nude driving is to stop, get out and walk round the vehicle. This small act is often more enjoyable than nude driving itself.

When driving nude there are certain things you need to be aware of such as places where you are forced to stop and might be seen. For example, traffic lights and road junctions are potential problem areas as are bus stops. Some thought should be given when overtaking large vehicles, cyclists and horse riders, all of whom may be able to look down into your vehicle.

Any vehicle is suitable for nude driving with the main requirement being a good heater as it tends to get quite cold when you are driving naked, particularly during the colder months of the year. For the summer months an open-top sports car or convertible saloon can be quite interesting.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 11, 2019, 06:50:51 AM
A couple of weeks back, we took an alternate route to get through the incredible sprawl that is Phoenix, Arizona.

All was working out well, until we found ourselves looking at a blocked off section of ten lanes of highway and a detour. We soon found that we had to drive through an urban area for several miles on Bell Rd. I remembered when this was a lot of tortured desert ie. dirt and a drive-up liquor store.

That day, it was thick with traffic as we crept along, intersection to intersection, traffic light to traffic light, stopping at most.

We didn't cover up. We looked around, but I don't think out of those hundreds of cars and dozens of pedestrians that anyone noticed our unusual state.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on October 11, 2019, 11:20:09 AM
Which Edinburgh?
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Davie on October 11, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
There's c choice of around seven around the world, four in the US, one in South Africa, one on St Helena and yes I believe there's one in Scotland

Davie 8)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on October 11, 2019, 04:15:08 PM
RE:  Driving naked.

I've been driving nude for a long time.  It was a bit scary the first time I did it, but I've learned that 1. nobody is looking. Everyone is minding their own business, 2. the body work hides most of your lower half.  I've never been able to see what color pants someone is wearing even while driving trucks, 3. Even if someone notices, nobody cares.

I have found that large parking garages and hotel parking lots are good place to dress or undress to drive naked.  They don't watch the parking lot and few pedestrians come and go.

Sometimes at fueling stations I put on pants as I get out of the car.  I find it difficult to even put on shorts in a car.  Everyone else is watching their own car or pump and not watching you.  Your car door and the pumps are as much shield as you need. Choose a pump toward the end rather than in the middle.  One time a couple years ago it was such a nice sunny day that I got tired of my shorts while waiting for the tank to fill, so I took them off, put them through the open window, and stood there naked pumping gas. Some old trucker headed for the big truck area came walking out of the store carrying a tray of coffee and food. He noticed me and stood there with his mouth open while I hung up the hose, got my receipt, walked round to the driver side of my car, and drove off naked. I don't do that often.  I have also driven through towns naked with the convertible top down.  My mustang is so low that my ass is probably only about a foot off the pavement.  I stop at traffic lights and watch the pedestrians walk past minding their own affairs. 

Frequently I drive the 12 miles into our local small town naked and then stop and cover at the edge of town. The bank parking lot or the grocery parking lot are probably not the best places to step out to dress, specially in a small town where other people may know me.  Then I do my shopping and stop again leaving town to undress.  When I'm not planning to stop I just drive through town naked.   I have never had any troubles from all my naked driving.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on October 11, 2019, 07:43:39 PM
i had to do a delivery in our nearest city this morning (wells) then a quick visit to the lidle supermarket,  probably a 45 minute drive home ,i stripped off in the car in the supermarket carpark and drove home through the rain with the heater blowing warm air over my naked skin.   at one point a post lady was waiting to cross the road, all her attention was on looking for a gap in the  approaching traffic never even glanced my way as i passed in front of her.   next came Glastonbury... i chickened out and took a route through the backstreets rather than drive right down the high street. but being Glastonbury probably nobody would care even if they did notice.  had to pass through a couple of other small villages but pedestrians dont seem the least bit interested in passing cars.

Glastonbury tor is one of the local tourist attractions, about 10 miles from home , we can actually see the thing from just down the lane,   must be about 50 years since i last went up it.   its crying out for a naked ascent...perhaps an early summer morning escapade, maybe next summer.     on the way to Bridgwater theres a similar hump with a ruined church on top , Burrow Mump,  not such a well frequented tourist trap , might try that one first.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 11, 2019, 10:57:07 PM
I usually use my wrap around w/ velcro kilt when traveling nude. The shorts are just too much trouble in and out of a cramped car. Often, I just undo the thing and lay it off to the side to enjoy the comforts of nude. When I do stand outside, I could be just adjusting it, not putting on, but if someone did catch wind, it says that I'm a bit unconventional and explain the possibility that I may have been nude. I put a shirt on to get into the stores, and do so outside the car.

Gas pump stations have people standing around bored, watching the numbers, or they wash the windows. I find them often curious to check out the other customers. They often have passengers sitting bored that watch others inside the vehicles. I'd say in a busy station that there is usually someone delighted to see something other than digital numbers clicking and the side of the car. I mind my own business at the pump, usually washing the windows, but even so, I will look and just see out of the corner of my eye the other people there. I don't think that I'm unusual that way.

Sometimes, when DF is doing the honors and I don't have to get out, I have no problem not being seen as nude just sitting there, even in the low slung Honda, because of angles. When one opens that door, I think, anyone needs to be on guard, or find themselves reckless and breaking the Arizona law.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on October 12, 2019, 09:44:37 AM
i also find the wrap handy for getting in and out of shorts.     wearing just the wrap its easy to pull the shorts on under it without displaying anything untoward.  similar wearing shorts you can put the wrap over the top to drop the shorts.

yesterdays changing from trousers to naked in the car was a pain,  i should have donned the wrap over the trousers whilst standing beside the car, lost the trousers , got in the car then just undone the wrap in the car... but it was raining . :)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 12, 2019, 09:06:37 PM
Dealing with getting my pants over my shoes can complicate things. Like I don't want to stand by my car door barefoot in at a gas station, or an asphalt parking lot. I don't want to go through that dance where one shoe comes off, even a flip flop for one pant's leg and then back on. Then the other in turn. A wrap just gets done.

Yea ric, I two have used the kilt to conveniently drop trough a few times in a busy area next to my car. One can change clothing here in public, but must not be reckless enough to expose genitals, anus or a woman, her breast. Most people who might notice look the other way to be polite, or in case they might have stumbled on to something and don't want to embarrass.

A kilt then just gets undone and pulls away, falling to each side. It also provides a sit towel effect. Still, I like the sense of liberation and the air optimally around my body. If it's convenient, I'll just leave the kilt within reach and sit on a nice terry towel. It rolls up and is comfortable as an arm rest cushion.

I've never gotten out and attended to my duties nude at a gas station. There are cameras, the filler is on the opposite side of the car, if say a patrol car happens to drive by or stop by. I like to wash my windows at that time. It would be too close to crossing a line, even a hassle, when I'm there to get a job done. If it was legal, I assume that like most anything else, it could make the job just a little bit better. In Arizona, one must be careful around hot metal cars. Leaning over to wash the windows on my truck could burn me.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 18, 2019, 02:04:32 AM
FORCED NUDITY: From TSNH:

One of the factors that make secret naturism such an enjoyable activity is being separated from your clothing. When you explore the countryside naked, without carrying clothing, the experience is greatly enhanced. Forced nudity takes this theme to the next level.

The idea behind forced nudity is to deliberately place yourself in a situation where you are denied access to your clothing and there are a number of ways to achieve this.

One method uses your own house as a means of denying access to your clothing and you can only get hold of your clothing after a certain task has been completed. How it works might be as follows.

First you need to stash a spare house key somewhere remote from your house. This could be many miles away or simply at the foot of the garden. Then you go the house, strip off and leave all clothing inside. You then go outside, lock the door and push the keys through the letter box. You then have to retrieve the key you stashed earlier to gain access back to the house and your clothing. Garages or garden sheds may also be employed.

A variation on this method is to use a vehicle. Start off by hiding a spare car key at a location of your choice. You may also want to stash a set of clothing there as well. You then drive to another location, strip off and leave all clothing inside the vehicle. Finally, lock the vehicle leaving the key inside (if possible). You then have to retrieve the key stashed previously to get hold of your clothing.

Another variation on this theme is to use a portable lockable box to deny access to clothing. This method allows you to make use of all manner of locations. What you need is a metal box large enough to hold your clothing that can be locked by means of a padlock. A large cash box with a hasp & staple for the padlock would be ideal.

You would start off my taking the box to a suitable location where it would be hidden. Your next step would be to take a spare key for the padlock to a second location, perhaps some distance away. Next, return to where you hid the storage box, strip off and leave all clothing inside. Finally, place the key inside and close the padlock. To access your clothing you need to collect the spare key hidden earlier and return back to the storage box to access your hidden clothing.

Another way of achieving forced nudity is to use time and place to deny access to your clothing. A good place for this method would be a supermarket with adjacent woodland or countryside where you can hold up during your forced nudity period.

What you would do is to arrive at the location before the store opens or gets too busy. You would first park your vehicle, strip off and leaving your clothing inside the vehicle, head off into the woods or countryside. While you are away the supermarket will get busy with shoppers and you might not be able to return until later that day when things quieten down.

Forced nudity can also be achieved with the aid of an assistant. You would start off by stashing a set of clothing at a known location. Then you would drive to a second location some distance away where you would strip off and hand all clothing to your assistant. They would then leave you stranded to make you own away to your original clothing stash.

Disposable clothing can also be used for forced nudity and works much in the same way as using an accomplice. Again, you would hide a set of clothing, then make your way to a second location. There you would destroy the clothing you are wearing, perhaps by throwing into a river, cutting up or by burning. You can purchase some very cheap clothing for this purpose from charity shops or discount stores. You then have to retrieve your original clothing stash.

Forced nudity can both be rewarding and challenging and there are many variations on the above suggestions. However, a few words of warning. The thrill and excitement of this technique can considerable and you may find it difficult to return to the more mundane secret naturist activities.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 18, 2019, 02:47:15 AM
I was looking for the compatible thread about forced nudity, but found nothing. Maybe I missed it. I know that TSNS website had a thread at length.

I've never done this. It is enough for me to simply walk away in a no backup situation. That is liberating in a given circumstance.

Back in the 1980's, I used to manage a foray with someone across my residential neighborhood each year. It was stealth and an adventurous rush, with much perceived risk. It was late at night and our consciousness had been altered by some substance. These days, the rush is not my goal, nor accepting the risk from taking chances.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 22, 2019, 02:05:42 AM
MUD LARKING: From TSNH:
A number of secret naturists have mentioned to me that they enjoy the feeling of walking barefoot in the wet mud of a footpath or in the fine silt or sand at a coastal estuary. I too also enjoy this activity and thought the subject might be developed further and a page included here in the web site.

Some research on the Internet revealed there are actually groups who specialise in getting covered in mud, with mud sliding being one of the most common. Mud sliding appears to be a most enjoyable activity where you find a muddy river bank with a good slope, strip off and slide into the water. Not having tried this activity, I can only assume it might be jolly good fun and it does seem like a suitable activity for the secret naturist.

I must admit that this does sound interesting. Imagine the feeling of mud squeezing between your toes, extended to your whole naked body! And when covered in mud you are also have natural camouflage to help keep you hidden from observers. As a footnote, I do recall Arnie getting covered in mud in Predator, and Stallone also did something similar in Rambo 2. There must be some interesting challenges we can build around this activity.

Okay, so where do you find suitable mud for this lark? Obvious places are at the coast, especially around river estuaries, and some ponds and lochs are also suitable for getting muddy. Most rivers will have good locations as well, although slow moving and meandering rivers are better than faster flowing upland rivers, as the slow current allows more sediment to settle.

One of the main problems with any location is the requirement for getting clean afterwards. Unless you are prepared, and able, to travel home in a rather messy state, you will need a good source of fresh water in which to get cleaned up. You should also bear in mind that without the use of a good shower you will not get clean enough to pass inspection at home, for example, from other family members. Although the excuse of simply falling in the mud might just be enough for you to get away with it.

Hints & tips:

•   Good clean water for washing is essential.
•   Test how deep the mud is before jumping in.
•   Check the tides if at the coast.
•   Remember to clean under finger & toe nails.
•   Note that most mud is very smelly!
•   Always keep your mouth shut!

The secret naturist looking for a challenge and a bit fun as well could try the sport of bog running. It's really dead simple. First find a suitable stretch of bog - upload peat bogs are ideal. Then you strip off and run as fast as possible across the bog. Be prepared to get very wet and very muddy, and I mean very, very wet and very, very muddy!

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 22, 2019, 02:10:31 AM
Fun! Has anyone ever done this but me and DF? We didn't use it for camouflage, but for the mineral content. Rambo!?!

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2018/12/24/butts-in-the-shade-part-ii-muddled-up/

Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 26, 2019, 01:57:10 AM
NUDE BIRDING: From TSN Handbook:

As a life-long birder and secret naturist, I have for many years combined the two pastimes and on many secret naturist outings have kept an eye open for the odd bird or two. Birding can be done just about anywhere, and few countryside locations do not have a wide variety of bird life. As do secret naturists seek out cover and concealment in out of the way locations, so do birds and it can be quite surprising just how many can be seen or heard.

Birding does not require much in the way of special equipment, although a good pair of binoculars might be considered essential by some and they are also useful for other secret naturist uses as well. See the Equipment section for more on binoculars.

Before we go any further, a few words of warning. Looking for birds takes concentration and it is easy to forget that you are, in fact, stark naked. More than once I have seen a suspected rarity and in my eagerness to see the bird clearly, I have ventured into areas where there was a high possibility of being seen. Don't let your guard down.

Even if you are not interested in birds, birding still offers an ideal "cover story" for the secret naturist. Birds can be found in any location that the secret naturist may wish to visit and provides the perfect excuse to be there. Few items of equipment are required except perhaps a pair of binoculars - to look the part - and some knowledge should you be questioned on the subject. Even then, you can always say you are a beginner and do not really know very much. A field guide and a notebook with some details of past sightings will provide you with a more complete cover story. Collins produce an excellent, though basic, field guide on birds in their Gem series.

Birding can be quite a challenge when you are naked. Not only do you have to be aware of your surroundings, mainly with respect to being seen but you also have to move stealthily and silently if you don't want the birds to be disturbed. A good fieldcraft skill that is useful for all secret naturists. Looking for birds when naked also makes you look much closer at the vegetation than when clothed, particularly underfoot when walking barefoot. No longer can you simply crash through the underground. When birding naked you are forced to take much more care to avoid being scratched by brambles, stung by nettles or standing on low-lying thistles.

If you are keen on birding or wish to take up the hobby, why not keep a list all the birds you have seen while naked. It's more of a challenge than you might think!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 29, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
Well, not much comment there....

I have no interest in serious birding and the binoculars are just more equipment. We use DF's telephoto and I can blow one of those shots up even more on the computer. She brought a pair of strong binoculars with us on our last outing and they were fun scoping from the car. I also keep a compact pair, about 200 I think, in the truck at all times. I used them for spotting cops speeding on a highway once.

I could be a naked voyeur to any hysterical textile, I should think.

I like birds....
Jbee ::) ;D

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 29, 2019, 06:34:00 PM
NUDE CHALLENGES: From TSN Handbook:

Having been a secret naturist for many years, there came a point when I started to become bored with following the same old trails and routes. Even seeking out new locations did not offer the same amount of stimulation as outings had in the past. As a result I started looking at ways and means of getting more from my secret naturist outings, yet still in keeping with the Principles I had set out to follow. What I came up with was nude challenges.

The idea behind secret naturist nude challenges is quite simple. You devise for yourself a challenge or series of challenges that you must complete while naked. These can be as simple or as complex as you want, its entirely up to you. A simple nude challenge might be to walk the entire length of a local footpath, perhaps one where you have only completed part of while naked. A more complex nude challenge might be to travel from one fixed point to another, say a few miles away.

There is no limit to what nude challenges can include, for example:

•   Cycle nude off-road for 10 miles
•   Travel nude cross country for 5 miles
•   Drive the car naked for 100 miles
•   Stay naked outdoors or indoors for 24 hours
•   Climb a tree while naked
•   Wash and polish the car while naked

You can also "spice up" your nude challenges by added restrictions such as completing them during a certain time period, say 60 minutes or on a certain day of the year. You might also include rules of your own making such as completing your challenge at night or not carrying your clothing with you.

As a keen birder I once set myself the challenge of spotting and identifying 25 different species of bird in a single hour. This was actually very difficult to do when naked as you cannot simple wander anywhere you wish. I got to 18 species before I was out of time. I hope to try again but perhaps at a better location for birding.

Another challenge that comes to mind was one I set myself while at a relatives house. My challenge was to leave clothing and footwear at the house, enter the garden, cross the river at the foot of the garden, follow a path to a local park, go through the park, cross a road bridge and return along a street to the house. I actually completed it successfully on the second attempt and it was most enjoyable and satisfying.

Nude challenges can be done just about anywhere, from remote hill sides to your own home and garden. Two I've done at home were putting food on the bird table at the bottom of the garden and taking rubbish out to the rubbish bin. Both were completed in the early evening when it got dark.

A useful device for creating nude secret naturist challenges is the humble pace counter. This simple device tallies up each step you take and this can be used to create a wide variety of challenges. For example, you could set yourself the challenge of walking for 1000 or as many as 10,000 paces while naked. Attach the pace counter to your bumbag or if totally naked, use a length of string to attach to leg or waist.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on October 29, 2019, 07:06:08 PM
I like to be ready for unexpected challenges. My free range naturism has gotten me more in an intent to enjoy my and the nature freely. That is a challenge to keep.

I'm not into doing outrageous, adrenal rush, or challenges so much, although I, we both, do feel a bit wilder on occasion and take the challenge to enjoy what we can, to expand our norms and boundaries. It is important to just to be sure that we are not boxing ourselves up, that we are actually being free range and not in self imposed coops.

It is sometimes spontaneous, sometimes not. Examples would be taking a nude walk under a full moon through the river park. Liberating a place, like DF spontaneously stripping off and posing at the old movie set at the Triple T resort, or a clandestine skinny dip in a hotel pool were stepping a bit further.

One ongoing sort of a challenge is to remain, and sometimes with a defiant attitude, nude whenever possible, always, a naturist lifestyle. This keeps us on our toes and brings us to more challenge, even little things like walking from car to door, or doing mundane tasks, like garbage and yard work, mostly outdoors. This is after all, how we discovered that we can be nude most of the time and travel all over the country clothing free. It is a builder of awareness and thinking ahead in careful planning and being more mindful of what is going on in the moment, to more fully experience oneself and what is outside of the body.

Lookee here is often setting goals to accomplish, but he is pushing more and more, further. We have one goal; The intention to be naked and enjoy it, as often as possible, whenever and wherever possible. To be free range naturist. Still, walking all the way to the next county naked, as a challenge, was a fun brag.

Does anyone here feel that they may be self imposing a coop around themselves?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on October 30, 2019, 10:02:50 AM
i keep a pair of 8x30 binos in the car , along with a beach wrap and a pair of sandals, its all i need for a impromptu naked stroll though a wood or nature reserve. often got the camera aswell,  birds, butterflies, flowers anything will do.   concentrating on taking a close up of a flower or bug can be a plausible reason for not noticing or reacting to an approaching dog walker or hiker.
theres also the challenge of stopping at the entrance to a mini nature reserve up a seldom used country lane and leaving all clothing in the car whilst off for a stroll.

as ive posted before an ascent of glastonbury tor is on the list of things to do, maybe next year.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on November 03, 2019, 07:17:01 PM

Never been one for challenges in the Lookee sense.  Just doing the solitary naturism at all in the UK is challenge enough.
On TSNS there was a faction of those who liked a challenge.  The main one was having no safety net and hiking with no clothing at all.  Alf was a bit of a one for that wasn't he?  He was the one that froze his car keys in a block of ice, took nothing with him except the car key and couldn't get into the car before they had melted out, thus creating the challenge of staying undiscovered whatever happened.  Couldn't really do that these days.  Most car keys are stuffed with electronics and would be ruined by the water. 
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 04, 2019, 04:14:28 PM
There have been times when I'd take off with no clothing, either a spontaneous stroll from camp, or intentional in the Tortolitas, or a commitment to just stay nude as if nothing was unusual. With a lookee attitude,  would be struck with the ideas of repercussions and fears and have a challenge, but I actually with such abandon, just walking off naked, there is a sense of liberation. I feel that I have shucked off the shackles, I'm free, roaming as is my natural right meant to be. I have felt like I was grasping my natural identity, without the fears and constraints. Once again, I refer to "1984" and that scene in the woods when they get naked, together, carried away in the liberation, tasting the reality without the societal context, make love and then get caught. What story do you want to run your life?

How can I be where I am, when I'm concerned with what if?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 07, 2019, 01:15:31 AM
NUDE CYCLING: From TSNS Handbook

Living in south east Scotland I have access to some of the best off-road cycling in the country, the forests of the Tweed Valley, as well as many other less popular forests dotted around the area. This seemed too good an opportunity to miss and it was not long before nude cycling was added to my list of favourite secret naturist activities.

Starting in nude cycling is not difficult. Obviously you require a bicycle and I would suggest you get a mountain bike or at least a hybrid capable of handling tough off-road conditions. I suggest this simply because locations where a normal road-going bicycle may be ridden naked are much less frequent. Having a good off-road bike allows you to make the most of country trails and forest tracks, locations where nude cycling is more practical.

Finding places for nude cycling should not be that difficult. In most cases, if you can walk along a trail, you can also ride a mountain bike as well. Look for commercial forestry plantations where access roads and firebreak trails can be used. Any area where there are way-marked trails can also be used, although there may be some restrictions on cycling. However, as you will probably be there alone, this should not be too much of a problem. You might also want to consider urban cycle ways and even golf courses, although both are usually only useable at night.

As mentioned in nude rambling, it is important the carry out some through planning before attempting nude cycling. I won't go over this again but would stress that a good knowledge of the area is important.

So, we have a suitable bike and have found a suitable location. What next? The first thing we need to consider is what to do with our removed clothing. One option is to use a rucksack but this reduces the "nakedness" of nude riding and I always prefer to have the bike itself carry my clothing. One way of doing this is to strap your bumbag to the handlebars. I found this works quite well but is not ideal.

The perfect solution was to fit an aluminium rack to the rear and this proved much better that the method above. This method was greatly improved when I purchased a Karrimor Karousel Trunk, a 12 litre capacity bag that fits neatly onto the top of the rear rack. Everything is held securely inside a large zipped compartment while still allowing quick and easy access should the need arise.

Nude cycling is not without its risks, with falling off being perhaps the most obvious. A fall from a bike at speed can be painful, even when fully clothed. A fall when naked does not bare thinking about. My advice is to keep your speed down and plan ahead. Get off and walk if you have to. Its not a race.

One of the problems with nude cycling is that your ability to hear is considerably reduced by the noise of the bike and also by wind noise. You may find that you fail to hear the approach of people in time to cover up. However, I find the best option is simply to keep on going. You are usually travelling faster than walkers anyway and are soon out of sight.

There are many benefits to nude cycling over nude rambling. One is that you can cover a greater distance in a shorter time. You also have a means of carrying your clothing and can keep the entire body free of baggage. I always think you feel more naked when you have nothing against your bare skin.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 07, 2019, 01:21:28 AM
Published before the cycling in cities, like WNBR and Fremont Solstice, Burning Man.

I choose 4x4 to get out to remote safe areas for better comfort. A bike will use the same roads, but is better exercise.

Who among us has biked? Ian from the pubs late at night, as I remember.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on November 07, 2019, 10:20:35 AM
i havnt "biked" since i got a car , now retirement is approaching its something i am considering for naked exercise, here were close to the somerset levels where there is a network of tracks both tarmac and natural where there is very little traffic or other users and lots of wildlife to stop and photograph.  just need the free time to take advantage of it.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jmf on November 07, 2019, 10:45:15 AM

Who among us has biked?
Jbee

I've done that sometiomes:
http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=5768

http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=5315

http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=1906
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 07, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
ric- that sounds wonderful, now that there is no fear of arrest. Everything better naked.
JMF- I remember my former girlfriend wore a vest and swim suit to work to test the waters, so to speak, about riding nude. She took the River walk asphalt path that morning. When she got to work, a couple of cohorts told her that they thought that she was naked under it at first. She decided to not attempt the nude thing. I thought that it looked that way, too. I found it sexy, but poor stealth, because the florescent jacket drew attention to her and then her bare legs, etc. it was advertising "look at the naked chick on the bike." ;D

I tried black paint bike shorts and a bright semi-blinding light to hide behind on the river walk, many years ago. I rode fast so no one could catch up from behind. It didn't feel particularly great. It wasn't freeing, more just avoidance of hassles, which is a hassle.  More trouble than pleasure. There are police bike patrols occasionally on that route. I wouldn't attempt it in that busy area again. Too much risk, not enough pleasure.

It was the difference between a SN trick, and a pleasurable nude walk in the woods. One is excitement and getting away with something at some risk and one is pleasure that can be bring a spiritual aspect to the adventure. If it was a legal activity to be taking a nude ride, it would be different.

I used to notice when I would ride my bike in the desert, that the animals were snuck upon. The bike was quiet, no steps and quick moving, even when coasting. Perhaps it wasn't a dangerous sound, like the soft  tick-tick of a coasting bike. Timid rabbits would just sit and stare, "What's that?"
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: barerider on November 07, 2019, 08:33:52 PM
How about five World Naked Bike Rides, a couple of sheep station solo rides in New Zealand. Quite a few coast track rides on the Canary Island of Fuerteventura, and, over the years, a great many early morning short rides in a forest area a couple of miles from where I live.

I love it!

Barerider
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jmf on November 07, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
In France, the high visibility jacket is mandatory when cycling at night outside urban areas
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 08, 2019, 07:25:11 PM
How about five World Naked Bike Rides, a couple of sheep station solo rides in New Zealand. Quite a few coast track rides on the Canary Island of Fuerteventura, and, over the years, a great many early morning short rides in a forest area a couple of miles from where I live.

I love it!

Barerider
barerider, I'd like to hear much more of sheep station solo rides in New Zealand. I can only guess what that means. What is the terrain? How does that work? How does it come about. How far is that? What are the risks? What are the roads or trails like?

I know only of JoHnGW's reports on Canary Islands. I've seen a two lane coastal road and lots of desert. He has trekked the coast from town to town. He never mentioned designated trails. What are the coast track rides on the Canary Island of Fuerteventura like?

I used to love mountain biking.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on November 09, 2019, 04:52:58 PM
While working in Shreveport, LA., I lived in a lake cottage on Caddo Lake across the street from the Caddo Lake National Wildlife Refuge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddo_Lake_National_Wildlife_Refuge
This abandoned armory was the site of Reagan's nuclear disarmament.  They actually diffused nuclear weapons at this facility.  More recently it was established as a National Wildlife Refuge with continuing efforts to clean up the radiation and other pollutants, clearing timber and establishing trails for visitors.  There are paved and unpaved roads through out the 8,000+ acres and trails that lead deeper into the forest.  I often hiked and biked clothes free throughout the property, rarely encountering others.  I generally started out in a pair of shorts and packed them away as soon as I entered the park.  I encountered a lot of various wildlife, including a crocodile.
I was biking through a particularly narrow trail when I hit a fallen branch and was launched over the handlebars.  That caused a hematoma within my left knee.  I thought I could rest and the pain would ebb, but the longer I rested the worse it became.  I ended up pedaling one footed and nude back to my cottage.  By late evening, I was convinced that I needed to go to the ER.  My landlord, the only one nearby that would come to my aid, had imbibed a bit too much to drive me.  So, I drove myself to the ER.
After 3 hours at the ER, they gave me Tylenol and said that time would solve the hematoma and they could not give me anything stronger because I was going to drive myself home.  In the end they gave me a prescription to fill in the morning and a Tylenol - Codeine to take when I got home.
Anyway, I miss those days when I could simply cross the street to explore on bike or foot, completely clothes free for hours.  I have participated in 5 - 6 WNBRs in Austin and Houston.  Those are always fun. 
I also was able to slip out of my shorts while paddling around Caddo Lake, sometimes stopping at a bank and hiking into the forest without worry about what I was (not)wearing or the possibility of offending others.
Another quick story: My landlord had a pontoon boat, named the Shanty, that he'd built a cedar shack on top of.  It was decked out in Spanish moss, alligator skulls and turtle shells.  I helped him get the engine running and took it out for a test run, he didn't come with me.  I stopped for a quick swim across the lake and was air drying on the return trip, with the fore and aft doors open and me enjoying the cross breeze.  Of course, the Shanty was well known among the lake community.  A bass boat had sped up behind me thinking that owner, my landlord, was at the helm.  I didn't notice them until they were in my wake, immediately off my stern.  The neighbors were obviously humored by the sight of my bare ass airing out in the breeze, and quickly back off and away.  My landlord has waiting for me at the boathouse.  He was not happy.  He already knew about my clothesfree compulsion, so wasn't completely surprised.  We remain friends.
Pardon my rambling post, I hope you enjoyed the read.

~Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 09, 2019, 11:36:59 PM
So, what did the crocodile do when you did your flip, just grin? You'll never see a croc on a bike, too dangerous ;D

I am in admiration of that boat.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on November 10, 2019, 03:06:16 AM
The crocodile was not to be bothered by my human antics, it just disappeared beneath the surface.  There are rumors that croco-gators live in the lake, though my niece, the 'croc expert' claims they are a scientific impossibility.  I have caught crocodiles from a kayak, but never a bicycle.

The Shanty is worthy of admiration.  There are trails on Caddo Lake that are completely obscured by the cypress forest.  Traveling through them in the Shanty can  give you the illusion that you are with Katherine and Humphrey on the African Queen.

~Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 13, 2019, 09:48:55 AM
NUDE EXPLORING: From The Secret Naturist Handbook:

I suppose the first question you may be thinking is what is nude exploring? Well, I have come to define nude exploring as the naked exploration of a restricted location. For example, an Iron Age hill fort, old quarry, ruined building such as a castle or any other locations where you cannot roam extensively while naked. Perhaps this is best explained by example.

About 30 minutes drive from Edinburgh, there's an old quarry with extensive underground limestone workings. The area is lower than the surrounding countryside and quite sheltered from the wind and makes for some interesting nude exploring. As well as the old quarries, there are three areas of underground workings where limestone has been extracted. What I have done on various occasions is to take a couple of torches, leave my clothing hidden somewhere and explore the underground "stoop and room" workings while naked. It's great fun!

Another location where I have enjoyed some nude exploring is a ruined tower near Greenlaw in the Scottish Borders. Greenknowe Tower dated back many hundreds of years and is open to the public at all times. With no warden on site and only limited parking, it makes a great place for a visiting secret naturist to explore. Here, you can strip off and explore all the rooms of the ancient tower. Its not very big but is still quite thrilling all the same. You do need to keep an eye open for people arriving but you can see the main entrance from most areas of the tower. Its a great place to be naked at night, especially the dungeon!

When nude exploring there are a couple of rules I've adopted. One is that I try to explore each and every part of the location. In the case of the tower mentioned above, that would entail visiting every area or room in the building. In the underground workings above, that would include every nook and cranny I could get to. The other rule is that I try to explore nude without carrying my clothing and also barefoot if possible. You might also want to adopt these rules as they do help to make nude exploring much more interesting.

Some other places I've completed nude explorations are: a very exposed hill-top wind farm, a ruined castle, an underground burial chamber, a relatives house and garden, a disused railway tunnel and most of a four story office building where I used to work.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 13, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Exploring is what we do. We explore nature, we explore ruins, or anything new to us. DF has subscriptions to Smithsonian and National Geographic. We love hanging out at old places and projecting ourselves into the scene of history. Around here, it is often a place of naked natives. Our ancient is usually about as old as European medieval. There has been the old west, wars, settlers and Indians,

We have ancient Native American sites, Indian hideouts, old mines, old logging roads and camps, railroads, or historic spots. The thing is that many of these places attract visitors. A weekday, poor weather, a look out, all are good to incorporate. Some places are pretty spooky at night. There are many in remote areas and ripe to exploit in liberation.

It is great to have a place to ones self without the tourist crowds to absorb the sense of it.

Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 15, 2019, 08:07:31 PM
We like to explore places that Natives have inhabited in history. To get a reinactors feel for the times, that can mean nude like them. There is much to learn that way.

The only nude societies in the UK were the Pict's woad wearing in battle, and apparently around other places. Anybody ever get wrapped up considering what people didn't wear back in the day and experiment?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 21, 2019, 12:56:16 AM
NUDE HIKING: Republished from "The Secret Naturist Handbook"

With nude rambling we can easily stroll around for an hour or two without carrying much with us. But when we want to embark on a full days hike, we usually need to take with us, or at least have available along the route, some means of obtaining food and drink. We could, of course, carry a large rucksack but should we wish to follow the principles of secret naturism, i.e. "to achieve total nudity and to carry the minimum of clothing and other items of equipment", this is not really an option.

When nude hiking I still like to comply with the principle mentioned above and try to avoid carrying much in the way of clothing or equipment. In fact, I try not to carry nothing with me at all but usually have to carry at least basic clothing. To achieve this, I plan my route ahead of time, preparing stashes of food, drink and emergency clothing along the way.

When planning a nude hike, you may not find that you are able to walk along the same route as you would when fully clothed, for the obvious reasons that you are likely to meet people. You need to choose routes where the likelihood of being seen is minimal and this is done by following less well known routes and avoiding known trails. By way of an example, there is a popular route to Broadlaw in the Tweedsmuir hills that follows the fence line, the route most people follow. However, you can also follow any of the small streams in the area, all of which will take you to the same place. A benefit is that these routes also provide cover from prying eyes and shelter from the wind.

Rather than carry food and water, I look for locations along my planned route where I can get easy access to create a stash. On a full days hike I will plan up to three stashes, one for mid-morning, one for lunch and another for mid-afternoon. Each will contain food and drink and depending on the area, spare clothing for emergencies.

Nude hiking in this manner is most thrilling and the feeling of satisfaction of having walked naked across many miles of open countryside without being seen and while carrying nothing at all, is considerable. Of course, safety must always be at the forefront and you should also plan ahead for potential problems such as the weather turning for the worst. A good rule is, if in doubt, always carry stuff with you.


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 21, 2019, 12:58:22 AM
NUDE RAMBLING: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Nude rambling is perhaps the easiest activity for both beginner and experienced secret naturist alike. It does not require any special equipment or training and can be done just about anywhere by people of all ages. Indeed rambling is my personal preference for secret naturist outings.

I would define nude rambling as easy strolling around a relatively small area such as a patch of woodland or a coastal path. I wanted to define this here as there is another page on nude hiking which looks at longer and more extensive walks in the countryside.

For the secret naturist, nude rambling is an ideal way to explore the countryside. It allows you to  travel at your own pace, in your own time. Yet it also gives you the time to keep an eye open for people in the area who might see you. So, how do you get started with some secret naturist nude rambling?

In the first instance you need to find a suitable location, one where you are confident that nudity is possible. From past experience, I found that ideal locations are those that I was familiar with, that I had explored extensively while fully clothed. By having a detailed knowledge of the area, I knew where the trails led, where houses were located and most importantly, when people were likely to be around. With this knowledge I was reasonably confident that I would not be disturbed. Not 100% but near enough.

Even if you know such a place, I would still advise you carry out a thorough reccy of the area. While doing so, keep the thought in your mind that you will be naked. As you walk ask yourself questions such as, could people be coming round the next bend, can I cover up in time or is there somewhere to hide, and so on.

Perhaps my all-time favourite place for nude rambling is a large area of commercial forestry at Nether Stewarton, near Peebles, in the Scottish Borders. The forest is about 25 years old and is criss-crossed with various tracks, access roads and firebreak trails. It is also connected to a larger forest at Cloich and day-long nude rambles are possible. A typical nude ramble at this location would go as follows.

As the area is popular with dog walkers during the day, I would usually arrive in the late evening, say an hour or two before dusk, parking the car in the small lay-by. If no-one was on site when I arrived, I would walk into the wood until out of sight from the road, there I would strip off and hide my clothing under the trees. I would then proceed to ramble along the many forest trails wearing only sandals and following a circuitous route, usually for a couple of hours or so, before returning back to the car park when darkness has fallen, collecting my clothing on the way.

This method allows be to be fairly certain that I will not encounter anyone heading out from the car park. Obviously, I cannot be 100% sure of this, but I have yet to see anyone in the area after dark. Of course, you don't have to hide your clothing as I mentioned above. In fact, I would only advise employing this method when you have extensive experience of an area and have been a secret naturist for some time.

When nude rambling, you need to stay alert to what is happening in the surrounding area, mainly to seek advance warning of potential encounters. In the forest environment when views are restricted, using your ears to listen for activity, is often the best approach. I will often stop and listen at trail junctions for just this reason. More than once I have heard the approach of people or vehicles and have had time to seek temporary cover until they passed by.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 21, 2019, 12:59:09 AM
Posted both as they tend to overlap during conversation.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 26, 2019, 12:03:38 AM
Hmm, not so much conversation...

Does this happen because the notion of nude rambling, etc., is now more legal than it used to be, over there in the UK?
Most of us are still victims, sneaking around, avoiding authority.

Next on the list is nude running.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 26, 2019, 12:08:00 AM
NUDE RUNNING: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

Although I'm not really into nude running, I've included a page here as it is one of the easiest ways of legitimately getting into the countryside, or any other location for that matter, and at any time of day or night. Of course, if you are already into running, so much the better as you will get fit as well. I must admit that when I wear running clothing and proper running shoes I do tend to start jogging, so its not a bad idea.

Runners have the ideal benefit of already starting off wearing little by way of clothing. Either shorts and a running vest, or perhaps longs and a lightweight running top. All these garments can be quickly removed and stored inside a small bumbag. Proper running shorts and a running vest will actually pack into the smallest of my bumbags, the LoweAlpine Belt Pack. Proper running clothing is also great if you want to travel lightweight as most items pack up small and weight very little.

So, what are the problems with nude running. In fact they are very similar to nude cycling. You travel quickly but at the expense of having reduce time to react to encounters. Your hearing also suffers as your heavy breathing dulls your senses. Having said that its still quite an enjoyable activity, if that what you like to do.

As I mentioned above I'm not really into nude running but have tried it on various occasions, mostly running along forest trails or across open moorland. On other occasions I've been nude running purely as a means of leaving an area as quickly as possible. But I won't go into that here. Perhaps that's good enough a reason to take up nude running and get fit into the bargain.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on November 26, 2019, 12:25:02 AM
I don't run much. I'm lazy about it. I'd like to run more, but if I run nude is the way. I love the sensuality of it, the breathing the wind across my sweating body. I feel a bit more naked, more alive when I'm out on a trail unencumbered running, than walking. It is two different things. Walking is a mindful experience of the environment and running becomes much more physical exercise, I'm more into the body affected by exertion. Walking at a rapid pace is a compromise as long as I'm grasping air and the heart is up.

My age has me leery of exercise of running on trails. Spills can mess an old fart up more with longer recovery, or lasting damages. I don't know how I could run in more mundane flat surfaces like sidewalks and streets, naked, without a treadmill or a short circle on a large yard. Running in a redundant motion isn't so good to do over time. Running on uneven more natural surfaces is natural motion and exercise of a greater variety of body parts and systems.


We have runners here.They probably have a more informed opinion than mine.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jmf on November 26, 2019, 10:19:56 AM
I'm a runner. I usually run two or three times a week. Sometimes with a training group, sometimes alone. I run on roads and dirt roads. Some competitions in the year from 5 km to 42 km, unfortunately all this is dressed. But sometimes I find the opportunity to run naked and I take advantage of it. This year, in July, I had the opportunity to do the nudist race from Sopela to Spain. A 5 km race on a public beach in a seaside resort not far from Bilbao. I had wanted to do this race for years, but the distance from my region of the Alps was an obstacle. I did an post on my blog.
http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=5799
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on November 30, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
Lookee, or whatever his name is, shares much in common with me (and no doubt others here) in enjoying walking, hiking and running naked in the hills and woods around. I have to put my mind back pre-2007 when these were written, before I realised I was a naturist and only occasionally got the opportunity of a little skinny dipping when out walking on occasion. Was this before the naked rambler? Whatever, the law north of the border seemed to be rather more rigorous in enforcing their idea of order, ie the wearing of appropriate clothing.

The above probably explains this TSNH approach where not being seen becomes almost an end in itself, something of a game. He clearly is seen on a number of occasions and only occasionally experiences a bad reaction, but his primary aim is not to be seen. It would be interesting to hear from him now, if he is still out there, and how his practice has changed.

I know I often try to avoid people to when I am out, out of a residual fear of negative reaction or of being recognised and still not being ready possibly to be publicly ‘celebrated’, either in the press or among colleagues and neighbours. But another side of me continually tells me that what I am doing is healthy and natural and that I should not need to be ashamed of what I do. More than that, it would be good for society if it took a more relaxed attitude to nudity and it was accepted that people swim and walk naked in the outdoors.

The TSNH writings can therefore sound very contrived to me, because they involve recce-ing and various devices to deliberately walk in an area naked without being seen. It seems to lack some of the sense of freedom that I enjoy when I am out. Nowadays, I will seek out a quiet area and just go and walk, keeping of the main paths if necessary to reduce chances if meeting people. I often set out now just wearing a wrap, so if I meet people before I undress, they will still recognise me as a naturist. Once away from busy areas, it comes off and I just take the ‘risk’ of running into someone around the corner before I can put my wrap on. If I see someone a distance away, I generally don’t bother to cover up unless I will pass close to them. All this is helped by the legal situation now in England and Scotland, knowing that it is not illegal - whereas it was assumed 10 years ago, especially in Scotland, that public nudity was illegal.

I do love hiking in the wilds naked with not a care, knowing that if I come upon someone it is not a problem. When in groups and away from home, I am emboldened much further, bringing the joy of outdoor naturism to the notice of many other walkers when taking part in NEWT last year, or our weekend at Loch Ossian Youth hostel in The Scottish highlands. I have now passed hundreds or more while walking naked

I appreciate that TSNH advice may still be relevant to those who live in less forgiving jurisdictions, but am grateful for the way that in the UK and Europe at least we can fully engage with nature without the need for perpetual secrecy and stealth.


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on December 01, 2019, 12:42:36 AM
NUDE EXPLORING: From The Secret Naturist Handbook:
About 30 minutes drive from Edinburgh, there's an old quarry with extensive underground limestone workings.

Was this written by Lookee, Jbee?  If so it probably establishes the phantom fellow as a resident of Scotland.  Funny, I've always imagined Lookee was American.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on December 01, 2019, 12:46:58 AM
I'm a runner. I usually run two or three times a week. Sometimes with a training group, sometimes alone. I run on roads and dirt roads. Some competitions in the year from 5 km to 42 km, unfortunately all this is dressed. But sometimes I find the opportunity to run naked and I take advantage of it. This year, in July, I had the opportunity to do the nudist race from Sopela to Spain. A 5 km race on a public beach in a seaside resort not far from Bilbao. I had wanted to do this race for years, but the distance from my region of the Alps was an obstacle. I did an post on my blog.
http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=5799 (http://www.randonnues.fr/?p=5799)

Goodness, JMF!
You must be very physically fit, all that hiking up mountains and regular running.  I do wish I was better at exercise.  I have just never left much room ofr it in my life.  Just 2 yoga sessions a wekk and the odd walk is about my bag of exercise.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on December 01, 2019, 01:43:27 AM
Lookee also had web sites promoting exhibitionism, which he also practiced.  Streaking at football matches, for example.  The "secret" thing was only part of his practice.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 04, 2019, 11:04:56 PM
Lookee or Corbie, check out the first few of posts of this thread. I thought of him as American, too, but I began to see pieces of language from the UK and Corbie is an unusual name here. I never narrowe it down to Scotland.

Yea, Bob, I vaguely remember a dares sight long ago. I think Lookee did it. Corbie never came up.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 04, 2019, 11:17:17 PM
RIVER BUGGING: Excerpt from "The Secret Naturist Handbook"

One of the great things about being a secret naturist and having your own web site is that you have somewhere to air your ideas. No matter how weird or wacky they are might seem initially there will always be someone out there who shares your passion. Naked river-bugging is one of those ideas.

This page actually came about while I doing a bit of tracking along the banks of the River South Esk near Edinburgh. I had been following the tracks left by a mink and suddenly realised that this stretch of the river was very secluded and ideal for secret naturist activities such as skinny dipping. However, I wanted something more adventurous and recalled an idea I had once had of using an air-bed (or something similar) to float naked downstream. Naked river-bugging was born.

The idea would be to first purchase a cheap but sturdy inflatable mattress or air-bed. You can pick these up for less than £10.00 if you shop around. The main problem is finding something sturdy enough to withstand the rigours of river use. One thought would be to reinforce the underside with heavy duty builder's polythene or a tarpaulin. Not sure how but it should be possible. Alternatives to an inflatable mattress are car or lorry inner tubes, inflatable snow sleds and tubes, even three or four camping mats taped together might do the job. However, something easily transported and inflated is a must.

In practice the idea would be to find a suitable river where you can float naked downstream without being seen. How far you want to go is open to choice but the longer the distance the greater the challenge and my thoughts would be for about 3 miles or so if possible. Using the cover of darkness would also add additional thrills to the expedition.

Then there are a couple of options on dealing with clothing. The first would be to undress at the start and carry your clothing with you, safely sealed inside waterproof bags. Stuffing your clothing into two or three layers of polythene bags, carefully sealed, should suffice and then into your bumbag. You can then float naked from start to finish, get dressed and return home. A small towel might also be useful.

The second option would be to pre-arrange a clothing dump at the point you intend to finish your river bugging run. This would be the clothing you use to get home. At the start of your run you would strip off and hide your clothing nearby, to be collected at a later time. This would allow you the additional thrill of completing your river run without carrying clothing and would certainly be the more challenging of the above options.

Safety is obviously an issue here. It would be wise to walk the entire river bank, checking for rapids, shallow areas where you might run aground, debris such as trees and branches and so on. The river would need to be deep enough that you can float yet not too deep to be overly risky. River water will always be cold but is more bearable during the summer months. Finally, it might be a good idea to wear sports sandals to protect your feet and to be able to swim as well.

A final point should you decide not to carry any clothing with you is to think about a disaster plan. What would you do if forced to abandon the journey before reaching your clothing stash. Would you be able to return to your original clothing or make your way by other means to your planned clothing stash? Something to think about.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 04, 2019, 11:32:20 PM
We call this "tubing" or "rafting." Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer did this on the Mississippi, in Mark Twain books.

The Salt river is too popular and crowded, but just north of Winkleman, Arizona the Gila River works. The last time DF and I passed by, we noticed the lack of people on weekdays. We have a pact to give it a go, nude.

The immediate danger is sunburn. The reflective water and lack of shade make a huge difference.

I haven't done it since 1974 and in cut off levis. There are submerged trees and branches. The current can be very strong depending on rains. Some meanders are very shallow and in an inner tube, you must lift your butt. My girlfriend at the time got caught on a branch and lost her tube in heavy current and about drowned. Very scary.

You have to have two cars, one at entry and one at exit to get back to car A. It's like doing river kayaks that way.

Those tubes need to be blown up the night before to be sure that they don't leak. There are many long spots where there is just no river bank, or clogged with small trees and nasty brush. There is no trail along the stream, which is good for stealth, but not for getting out, if your conveyance goes flat.

The tubes generally follow the current, which is deeper and safe. It is generally very peaceful.

My son was tubing the Salt River when his pal disappeared and drowned. Couldn't swim much and tipped over. He touched fingers and then had to watch him sink away. Be careful out there. People get drunk tubing, but it isn't a good idea.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on December 06, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
The Gila river has some nice CO hot springs you could pause at as you float past.  Maybe that's only in NM. 

When in high school I would spend time in summer with my friends in Leavenworth, WA.  The Wenatchee River had a nice small beach near town.  We would use inner tubes to float over some fun rapids in the river.  And then there was a more calm back eddy where we could float back to the starting place.  We didn't swim naked most of the time. We were scared of being seen because the beach was only 3 blocks from the center of town. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 06, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
This is Gila north of Winkleman, Arizona. A stretch up stream from town on the way into the White Mountains. The hot springs are, yup, toward and into New Mexico. There' it is a kayak trip, a couple of days between any civilization called the Gila Box. The hotsprings can be driven to.

That is on the bucket list. We have naturist friends with four kayaks that are interested. It is time of year, rains, water-flow, work schedules, porters, to coordinate. We'd camp overnight part way...all naked in the wilderness.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 08, 2019, 06:29:39 PM
Skinny Dipping: From the Secret Naturist Handbook:

For the secret naturist, skinny dipping offers a way to make secret naturism acceptable in the eye of the general populace. Anyone witnessing a naked man, or woman for that matter, skinny dipping in a river, pond or the sea, will usually not take offence. People do not generally see any risk to themselves when someone is skinny dipping. This acceptability also means skinny dipping is a good way for beginners to get into secret naturism.

I must admit that I'm not really into skinny dipping in the true sense of the term and tend not to actually swim very much, mainly because the waters of Scotland are usually too cold for full immersion. The one exception I have found are smaller sized ponds which can often be quite warm during the summer, Generally though, I tend to enjoy simply wading about in streams and rivers, and the sea, rather than actually swimming. But each to their own.

There are many places where skinny dipping, in whatever fashion you prefer, is possible. The countryside is dotted with all manner of rivers, small streams, reservoirs, lakes and small ponds, and of course, there is always the sea. As a rule running water will be colder than still water and smaller bodies of water will have a greater heat gain during the warmer months than larger bodies of water. So, for comfortable skinny dipping, look for smaller ponds and streams.

There are a number of factors you need to consider from the secret naturist point of view when skinny dipping. The first is dealing with your removed clothing. Whatever the location, you will be separated from your clothing while in the water and you need to make sure you clothing is secure. As a rule I always hide my clothing when skinny dipping. Should someone stumble into the area, at least my clothing is hidden from view and I only need remain in the water to conceal my nudity.

Another point to consider when skinny dipping is that even the freshest cleanest looking water will leave a lingering smell on your body. For some this might not be a problem, but for those who keep their secret naturist activities a secret, this can be noticeable to others. The beds of rivers and the bottoms of ponds can also be quite muddy, not to mention smelly and you should be aware of this.

Safety is an important point when skinny dipping. Tidal currents can sweep even the strongest swimmer out to sea and rivers can have hidden currents that can trap the unwary. Water will also cool the body 25 times faster than air, so watch what you are doing. You should never enter any body of water until you are aware of what is under the water. This is particularly important with urban ponds and the like, where all manner of debris can litter the pond bottom. Footwear is always recommended in such locations.

As a rule, for skinny dipping, I always wear my sports sandals to protect my feet from rubbish and sharp rocks and never get out of my depth. Generally, if my feet cannot touch bottom, I don't enter the water. Just my own preference.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 08, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
Yup, those chilly waters can be an eye opener. Observe the reaction in the 12th picture, here:

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2019/10/08/hutchs-pool-part-ii/

Redington when the waterthere, it is there is very nice, as the water washes the debris downstream. Downstream from there, where it is now a textiles area, the rowdies bring glass bottles and they can get broken, making surprises.

I suppose that there is risk in any body of water, even the ocean. There are critters down in the depths with the feet, too. but that is not always the case.

I don't get it. "If the feet don't touch the bottom" that is called swimming. I have waded out carefully, getting to the place where i can swim off and no longer jeopardize my feet, or footing.

Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 11, 2019, 06:09:45 PM
TREE CLIMBING: From the Activities section of The Secret Naturist Handbook

This might seem like an odd activity for the secret naturist and you are probably right. But when you actually try nude tree climbing, you realise just how thrilling an activity it can be. To be high in the branches of a mighty copper beech, with the wind rustling through the leaves, birds singing all around you and the amazing feeling of total exposure, you really have to experience it to believe it. Tree climbing is a good activity when you are restricted to a small area of woodland. When you cannot go far horizontally, why not go vertically? It gives you something else to do when forced to stay in one location.

You need not climb very high to get the effect but the higher you go the more exposed you feel. Of course, it always seems much higher than it really is. Five metres can seem like fifty metres when you are looking down and the ground appears a long way away. If not used to tree climbing, start off easy by only climbing a couple of metres. When you get more confident with your abilities, start going higher, one branch at a time. Do take care, as it can be easier getting up than climbing down. It would not be a good idea to get trapped naked up a tree and have to be rescued by the fire brigade!

Most types of tree can be climbed but some trees are easier than others. With most conifers you tend to get scratched and the branches are generally not strong enough for safety. Beech trees are ideal, with good strong branches at all levels and rotten branches can be easily spotted and avoided. There are also many others that can be climbed safely and easily and it's just a case of finding them.

One interesting observation is that people rarely look upwards, into the trees. This fact might be useful to the secret naturist looking for a daring challenge.  Suppose your local park had good trees suitable for nude climbing. You could find a good tree, strip off and climb up out of sight. Wait until people have passed by and climb down again. Could be fun and might be good for the nocturnal secret naturist looking for some adventure.

Where to leave clothing is something to consider when nude tree climbing. I would advise against leaving stuff at the base of the tree, as it tends to be difficult to hide and therefore easily found. You could take it with you but a bumbag tends to get in the way of climbing. My personal approach is to either hide clothing and footwear away from the tree or to attach the bumbag to a lower branch yet still out of easy reach of anyone below.

Finally a few notes of caution on tree climbing. Tree climbing can be dangerous and a fall from even a few meters can result in serious injury or worse. Do make sure that the branch you stand on will support your weight and that you can get back down again before you start to climb.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 11, 2019, 06:40:05 PM
I used to hide in trees as a kid when we were playing war games. People just don't look up and I'd ambush them every time. I'd wipe out whole platoons of kids. I never felt more exposed, but the opposite.

A good climbing tree is unusual around here. They are generally not tall, or thick branched. The mountainous trees don't have much lower branches, conifers mostly. They all are rough on the skin, except aspen. There are occasional old mesquite that are suitable, but again, there is that rough bark. We used to have mulberry around here, but they were outlawed a couple of decades ago and died off.

I'm working on the issues, but my upper body strength has dissipated so that I can't safely accomplish climbing. The swinging and pull up are essential to muscles that support like the psoas, and those oblique side muscles. So this is good for us, too.

I have for some reason developed some irrational fear of heights as I have aged. I've been occasionally working with rock climbing to desensitize. It is probably currently for the best, as again, that upper body strength. Maybe my subconscious is telling me something about my condition. My coordination and stretch and balance are coming along after too much disuse with Movnat exercise. Eventually, I should become capable again.

When was the last time someone here climbed a tree? JMF has to an extent. I've just hung from lower branches, myself. I don't think that I have been truly up in the heights since my twenties. We used to climb trees in the park and make elf sounds in the dark when people walked by.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on December 12, 2019, 07:31:49 PM

One of my neighbourhood friends as a small boy had an orchard in their backyard and we used to spend many a summer afternoon climbing trees and playing make believe games.  Happy days (ish!).
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 12, 2019, 09:12:28 PM
When I was five or six, I climbed a small fruit tree in the backyard. It was Falls Church, Virginia. We had 36 trees from huge to small dogwood that we would mess with during the five years that my family was there. This day however, I got up and didn't see a way down. I was stuck up there for what seemed to be hours, calling for help and feeling horrible, until a helping hand arrived.

I spent about three hours hiding up a tree near La Paz, Bolivia...1976...I think that that was the last time I climbed one. It takes many muscles that are usually not used together, if much at all. Things forgotten, disused for decades. Perhaps a tree climb is a worthy goal toward achieving youthful dexterity, elasticity and confidence.

I have been to the top of a very tall pine tree not long ago...but it was laying on its side.... ::)
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on December 13, 2019, 09:20:20 AM
I took to climbing trees again a few years ago. Often when on a naturist walk in the woods, or even a clothed walk, I will climb a suitable tree naked. Many of these are yew trees, but sometimes oak or any other suitable tree. I haven’t been up one since October.

I enjoy simply meditating in a tree for a while, contemplating the nature in which I am immersed.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 15, 2019, 05:33:05 PM
TRIG POINTING: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

Many of you will have heard about Munro bagging, the "collecting" of mountain summits over 3000 feet by visiting each in turn. Well, trig pointing is something similar but Ordnance Survey triangulation points are bagged instead. For those who are unfamiliar with trig points, trig points are those large concrete pillars you see dotted around the countryside which were once used by map makers but are now no longer used.

The great thing about trig points is that there are plenty of them, around 6500, I think, and they are located in all manner of locations from remote mountain peaks to inner city parks. They offer the perfect target for the adventurous secret naturist. I've bagged around about 20 trig points in secret naturist fashion.

What I do is to select a trig point from the map and then plan a way of getting naked there and also during as much of the inward and return journeys as well. I also have a short ritual I complete before the trig point is deemed fully bagged. This entails climbing on top of the trig point and facing all four compass points, north, east, south and west. I must do this totally naked, no clothing and no footwear.

With trig points being located in such a wide range of different locations, they offer the ideal target for secret naturists seeking a challenge. For example, there's a trig point on top of Arthur's Seat, a 251m high hill in Holyrood Park, Edinburgh. The park is extremely busy from dawn to dusk and is surrounded by housing on all sides. It is very, very exposed to view and the weather. It presents a real challenge for a secret naturist wishing to stand naked there. I hope to bag this trig point one day.

Of course, not all trig points are as challenging as the one mentioned above and many can be found is quiet out of the way locations. Those found in woodland are good for beginners but they are not so thrilling as those found at high and exposed locations.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 15, 2019, 06:04:49 PM
Trigs are no such thing here in Arizona. It sounds fun, like a commando military operation. Scope, penetrate and secure, dig out maps, aerial, do recon, etc. Back in the 1970's, we used to sneak across the Mexican border at night, just for fun, nothing needed to be profitable smuggling. There was no law against entering one's own country and the border was a free public place to roam as an American citizen. So what if we were suspicious.

Nowadays, they are so weird about their "important mission" they would most likely harass, even abuse people. Certainly they would record and build a file in a computer if caught. There may even be a law against not entering at a point of entry. I can hear them now, "you are using up the resources, costing the government's tax payers money." HA! 

Even if there is no risk in the UK due to new use of the law, it can be done just as a challenge to not be seen. It could be done with clothes on, but then I see the added fun without, with the potential to be discovered as the odd one. Photographic evidence, furthers the challenge. Or with the new laws would it be a time to go to each trig nude and liberate the country piece by piece? It can be good natural exercise, a meditation in awareness, lots of good hunter/gather skills to be used.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on December 15, 2019, 09:57:32 PM
I earned a degree in Forestry some time ago and trees have always held a special place in my heart.  I have never stopped climbing trees.

The earliest story comes from 1960 when dad bought the family station wagon.  It was a Valiant, with many cool extras, one of which was a cigarette lighter.  My lil' bro' and i were checking everything in the car while at Grandma's house.  The cigarette lighter was certainly a curiosity to our young selves.  Being the older of us two, I figured out how to heat the thing up to it's red hot fullest, but I wasn't going to touch it myself.  So, my lil' bro' became the test dummy.  Three times in the middle of his back.  He still wears the scars.
Of course, he ran into the house to seek solace, and I skidattled, climbing the tallest tree in the yard.  It was awesome watching all of the angst turned to concern beneath my perch.  It seemed like several hours, but was probably less than one when I decided to end the charade.  All of the adults were combing the neighborhood, so I decided to confide in my older sister.  "Pssst, Jacki, I'm up here."  Well, she didn't stop to see what I had in mind and immediately started screaming MOM! DAD! I found him!!
I still am not sure what they were more mad at me about.  Was it scarring my brother?  That wasn't a rare occurrence.  Or, more likely, the worry they endured searching for me.  But, I never left the yard!  :D :D

Anyway, I still climb trees, mostly to perform trimming and other maintenance.  I have taken to wearing 100% fall arrest system equipment when at elevations though.

Be safe, be bare,
Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on December 16, 2019, 10:22:06 AM
sometime in my teenage years i came home to find parents in a state,  the new kitten had escaped and not neen seen for some hours,   youve guessed it.... it was up the tree 10 foot from the back door.


theres a trig point in the 2nd field accross the road from us, ive often thought about bagging it,   its in view, through a straggly hedge, from the farmhouse, which one has to pass by ,or going tother way down the road passed two other houses and up a long driveway in full view of another house .   just getting bare at the trig point seems a bit tame could probably  actually do that during the working day ... carrying nothing the whole way more of a challenge,  i guess were looking at very early one summer morning,
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on December 16, 2019, 04:12:57 PM
If anyone wonders what British trig points are like, you can see several of them in the "Naked Munros" section of this site.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 17, 2019, 02:13:23 AM
I randomly popped into the "Ben Hope" thread and there was what I assumed was a trig point. It seemed odd to mark the top of a mountain, the top should be dang obvious, must be a marker.

So, I went down the post. Beautiful!...filled with pastel colors, shadows with emerging light and various celestial critters for fun. It looks to be one of those truly magical spots.

So, I looked into it further, 3000ft.! The 5 mile trail has an elevation gain of 3000ft!?? That's quite a hill side march.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on December 17, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
the trig point is a 4 sided concrete cone some 4ft tall, used for survey purposes, its height above sea level is noted on ordenance survey maps,   the mountaintop height can vary due to erosion, but the trig point height is relatively stable and immediately obvious if it has altered.
if you sit a theodolite ontop of a trig point you should be able to see (have line of sight to) several others, some many miles away

basically the trig point network is the backbone that uk maps were built arround
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on December 17, 2019, 05:19:55 PM
British hikers (ramblers?) are very affectionate toward trig points, as though they welcome you to the top of every major hill. Of course children can't resist climbing onto them! But I see on Wikipedia that they only date back to the 1930s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_station

The same article shows a picture of an American equivalent, but here they're just a brass plate cemented into a rock. There's one in my neighborhood, but I only know about it because it's on the Open Street Map database. Although it's at a trail junction, I doubt if many people notice it. Oddly enough, it's not on the highest point in the vicinity, and these days, it's surrounded by trees with no view at all. The landscape must have been different when it was installed.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on December 17, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
We have a variety of trig points, not all concrete blocks. A simple metal circle nailed to the pavement is another form, or even a symbol carved into a wall; these are urban manifestations. As long as they mark a fixed point of known position and height they fit the bill. Unfortunately aerial mapping has largely replaced their use.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: rrfalcon on December 22, 2019, 12:50:45 AM
Yeah, I was gonna say, our US survey markers are a lot more boring than the UK's trig points. It's usually just a metal marker embedded in stone or concrete at ground level (as shown in the photos for this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_marker ). Still, I believe there are people who try to reach as many as they can, and it would be a nice additional goal to do that naked!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on December 23, 2019, 06:02:39 PM
Yeah, I was gonna say, our US survey markers are a lot more boring than the UK's trig points. It's usually just a metal marker embedded in stone or concrete at ground level (as shown in the photos for this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_marker ). Still, I believe there are people who try to reach as many as they can, and it would be a nice additional goal to do that naked!

In the US, often you find the bronze survey markers on the corners of each SECTION.  A section is a square mile, 640 acres.  36 sections makes a TOWNSHIP, 6 miles square.  The importance of "sections" was greatly enhanced by the passage of "An Ordinance for ascertaining the mode of disposing of lands in the Western Territory" of 1785 by the U.S. Congress.  The 6 mile Township grid breaks down over distance because the earth is round and not flat. Eventually it has to have an adjustment section that is not square to compensate for the spherical land.

Eastern US in the Atlantic coastal states is more of a hodgepodge because there was no organized survey method when the lands were colonized.  Two of our most famous Presidents were land surveyors in their younger days, George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln.

In addition to markers at the corners of each section, often there are iron stakes at the middle point of the section to define each quarter section.  On the south boundary of my land there is an iron stake marking the center of a Section.  All of the corners of this Section are behind barbed wire fences posted with "No Trespassing" signs, so I've never gone looking for them. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 24, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
WILD CAMPING: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

While wild country camping is an excellent activity in its own right, for the dedicated secret naturist, it can be one of the most useful tools at their disposal. There are two main reasons why. The first reason is that it allows you to be in a wide variety of locations at times where nudity is likely to be possible. The second is that it gives you a legitimate reason to be outdoors and way from home, for long periods of time, a particularly good excuse for those sharing accommodation with family or friends.
With the former reason, the ability to be in locations that would otherwise be difficult to get to, you can, by camping out, make that location available for secret nudity. A good example would be a location where it would be unwise for reasons of security to leave a vehicle unattended for long periods at night or where leaving a vehicle would arouse suspicion.

An example I would use locally here in Scotland, would be Aberlady Bay Nature Reserve, to the east of Edinburgh. To leave the car at the reserve lay-by for more than a few hours at night would pose a real risk of the car being stolen and might also raise suspicions that someone was up to no-good in the reserve. By camping out you have a great reason to be just about anywhere and can get up to anything you wish.

In the example above, a suitable plan would be to arrive by late evening and head for a pre-planned spot to hold up until darkness fell or the area was free of visitors. You need not actually pitch camp but it does give you a good base to work from. This would give you the ability to be in the area for long periods of time, say overnight, giving plenty of time for some naked exploration and you could cover a considerable area in the time available.

It might be worth pointing out that you do not actually have to do any camping. You could actually spend the entire night on an adventurous secret naturist outing, perhaps undertaking a hazardous mission to infiltrate a difficult location such as a castle, urban building, Area 51 or the like. Obviously, actually having a tent, stove, sleeping bag, etc, does give more credibility to your activity but as you are not really going to sleep out you need not have expensive equipment. A cheap sleeping bag, lightweight tent, stove and a few bits and pieces will suffice.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 24, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
My mind has occasionally wandered to wondering about those UK laws. There is the people's free roaming, rambling even across private property, there. What is the law and custom for those who need to camp along the way during a ramble? A tent and a fire. Are there actually wild camping areas in the UK, other than barren prairie looking moors and and munroes? (Is that what they named Marilynn after?)

You all have created a description of your "crowded little island" to the point of my confusion. Where does one take their trailer, or motorhome/SUV? By the way, cheap tents and rainy drizzle days don't mix very well, naked, or clothed.

As for backpacking, camping and glamping here in Arizona and the west, I think that I have continuously expanding volumes at my website on that.

How feasible is a nude vacation in the UK ala what DF and I do. Naked door to door with a good hike in between and nude camping?

Wondering aloud (Watched a Jethro Tull concert Youtube video the other day, got some Thick as a Brick lyrics floating around (and some Wishbone Ash))
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on December 24, 2019, 10:10:53 PM
Something Americans don't immediately understand is the way public footpaths are everywhere in England. In the southern part of the country, you'd have a hard time traveling 2 miles in a straight line without crossing one! The paths are all marked and landowners can't get away with blocking them, but they're rights of way and not public ownership of land. You don't have the right to walk just anywhere, only where the paths go. (But in Scotland, you can cross open land anywhere.)

Camping along the way really isn't legal. If you set up a tent late in the day in a sheltered location, and get it out of sight early the next day, you'd probably get away with it, but the landowner would get pretty annoyed if he caught you lighting a fire. And parking a trailer is something you can't do anywhere you please.

One wonderful thing that you can find in Britain but not America is a footpath all the way (probably "almost all the way" is more likely) around the coast. And housing development along the coast is mostly limited to towns. That gives you a lot of scope to find beaches where you can go nude.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on December 25, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Most wild camping in UK is done in motor homes, wild camping .co.uk is a good source of info.

It's more difficult with a towed caravan but possible if you park up late and leave early. As far as I know wild camping with a tent is illegal apartfrom Scotland and possibly Dartmoor

Though wc is illegal it's a civil offence, police arnt involved initially. Landowner has to go to court and get an eviction order which then has to be enforced by baliffs.   Farmers do find spreading manure can be a quicker cheaper method.




Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 26, 2019, 08:38:01 AM
UK has tent makers and tent sales. Where does one use a tent, then?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on December 26, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
Commercial campsites and the kids in the back garden, music festivals
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on December 26, 2019, 12:01:20 PM
Wild camping works like any other illicit activity - don’t get caught! Whether it’s farmland or moorland if you’re tucked away unseen and don’t draw attention to yourself you’ll be OK. Anyone other the land owner or park ranger probably won’t take any notice - we have a national trait of not wanting to get involved (unless it’s a suicide bomber on London Bridge but that’s a different kettle of fish), in the same way most textiles don’t call out naked ramblers.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 27, 2019, 10:24:40 PM
Backpacking doesn't exist? No mountain nature preserves to roam for days? Remote munros in Scotland and that's it? No place with trees?

So, the is the mainland continent I guess.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on December 29, 2019, 02:48:08 PM
We do backpacking but not as you know it. It would be difficult to go for more than a day or so without hitting human habitations. Backpacking here would mean carrying all your gear on back from campsite to campsite, rather than disappearing into the woods or mountains for days on end.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on December 30, 2019, 09:08:35 AM
Trespass is not generally a criminal in the UK, the exceptions not being relevant to camping in the hills and ‘wild’ lands. Wild camping is generally tolerated on uncultivated wild land (mostly mountain and coastal land) if away from roads, houses etc. An owner can only sue for damages, and a genuine wild camper leaves no mess or damage and is gone in the morning. Action is likely to be taken where regular camping occurs near to roads and a mess or nuisance results, eg around Loch Lomond.

Relatively few in UK wild camp but, as a crowded island, it is still quite common to come across them, particularly if you are out late in the evening or early morning. Etiquette is not to leave tents standing during the day but it still occurs in remote spots sometimes. E&W have a right to roam over large areas of mountain & moor etc. While this does not include camping or swimming, traditional usage is unaffected and generally tolerated unless damaging owners interests, eg fishing or sporting.

Also, what the eye doesn’t see, the heart doesn’t grieve...

Fires are not generally tolerated, and are usually associated with anti-social behaviour such as leaving driinks cans, broken bottles and a mess where people have often trespassed my vehicle.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on December 30, 2019, 12:34:28 PM
Camping in this country is sometimes associated with fire rings, empty cans and broken glass, too. The leave no trace ethic has not penetrated very deeply. But trespassing is a shooting offense in some places in the U.S. Some people are very sensitive about property ownership, sometimes even if they don't own the property. But there are lots and lots of places to camp not far from where I live and with some discretion and familiarity with the area, even nude hiking, as I still do. But I wouldn't go this time of the year. Not nude, anyway. I've had some of my most enjoyable outings in the winter.

In the East, where there is virtually no wilderness, it is difficult to do any long distance hiking (and camping) without running into other people or habitations. But there are a few places, to be sure. The famous Appalachian Trail runs through well-populated areas and because it tends to follow the ridges, it's easy to see houses most of the way, especially at night. But the trail goes through or near towns, too. Can't speak for the trails out West, though. Beyond the Mississippi River, though, the population thins out. In fact, some places have become somewhat depopulated.

There was an article by A. G. Cousins that appeared in the December 1971 issue of The Scots Magazine. He described his 26 day walk from Cape Wrath to Glasgow. So clearly long-distance hiking is possible in the U.K, or at least in Scotland. I've been to England and Scotland, as well as France and Germany (lived in Germany for two years in the 60s) and I wouldn't describe those places as crowded, not by my standards. I even went through places in England that were very much like places in West Virginia. In the Eastern U.S., however, from Washington, D.C. and maybe even Richmond, to Boston, it's almost one long urban and suburban strip. It is a strip, though, and one doesn't have to go very far west to be in really rural places, though hardly what I would call wilderness. Even so, there are deer in my backyard now and then. There have been bears spotted in the county occasionally, out to see the world I guess, so it's probably only a matter of time before I see one from my dining room window. So far, I've only seen them when I was on the Appalachian Trail in the summer.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 31, 2019, 01:46:09 AM
Overview, now a summary of the activities section: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

There is no limit to the number of activities you can do as a secret naturist. In just about every instance, if you can do if while fully clothed you can also do it in secret naturist fashion, totally naked. This section of The Secret Naturist Handbook looks at some of the more usual activities, and not a few more unusual ones, available for those who follow this pastime. The activities included here are those that do not require additional or expensive equipment or specialised training. With the exception of the bicycle or motor vehicle, both of which are in common use, all the activities discussed do not require anything other than yourself. I have also kept the activities listed here to those that I have first hand knowledge and practical experience of under secret naturist field conditions. In other words, I've tried them all myself.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 31, 2019, 01:52:04 AM
We've finished up the "Activities" section and now move on to the "Clothing" section of the SN Handbook.

Clothing: Overview: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

You might be wondering why a web site devoted entirely to the subject of naturism and secret nudity would have an entire section of the subject of clothing. There are a number of reasons for this.

During any secret naturist outing, the secret naturist will, on most but not all occasions, required the use of clothing when travelling to and returning from the chosen location. Obviously, if they were not to wear clothing problems would occur. Once on location, clothing is still an important matter. In the first instance, it has to be removed quickly and efficiently with a minimum of hassle and fuss. Secondly, should the secret naturist wish to travel ultra-light, they would want their clothing to be minimal in weight and bulk, for ease of carrying.

Should they desire to travel without the burden of clothing, their garments would need to be hidden for later retrieval and a minimum amount of clothing is easier to conceal. The need might also arise in certain circumstances for the secret naturist to dress quickly and clothing that has been chosen with this in mind will allow them to do so without undue haste.

Clothing is also required for protection against the elements such as sun and wind as conditions often do not permit nudity for extended periods, for example, during the winter months when only short periods of outdoor nudity are desirable. Operating in the Great Outdoors also requires clothing that will cope with a wide range of conditions. For example, items of clothing may need to provide good insulation yet be low in bulk for carrying in a small bumbag. They might also have to be quick drying and provide good protection from the suns rays.

As you can see from the above, clothing is very important to the secret naturist and as with all subjects concerning secret naturism, great care and considerable thought goes into the subject of clothing selection, colour, material type, performance, etc. No stitch is left unchecked by the secret naturist.





Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on December 31, 2019, 01:55:53 AM
Backup Clothing: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

To be honest there are not that many occasions when you would need backup clothing, though the main exception is when hiding clothing to travel totally naked. If using this technique, having some form of backup clothing for use should your main clothing be unavailable is good practice.

While it's highly unlikely that your hidden clothing will go amiss, it is not impossible. Even if you follow the guidelines elsewhere in TSNH, that possibility always exists and backup clothing also gives you peace of mind should the worst case scenario actually happen.

Backup clothing consists of enough clothing to get you home while providing decency. In my own view, all you would need are a cheap pair of shorts and a t-shirt. You could also supplement this with a couple of polythene rubbish bags for use as wind and waterproofs should the weather turn for the worst.

If you have a favoured location where you regularly hide clothing, creating a permanent stash of backup clothing might be a good idea. One method I use is to get hold of some cheap and cheerful shorts and t-shirts and hide them on location, using a water and rodent proof container for this purpose. A large coffee jar does the trick but anything else will do equally well. If you have various locations, create a clothing stash at each one. It will only cost a few pounds each.

Another way of ensuring you have backup clothing available is to create a drop bag. My drop bag simply consists of a waterproof stuff sack containing a set of clothing that is hidden near the car when I head off on a secret naturist outing. Should I somehow loose all my clothing there will always be a set near my vehicle. I often use this method to leave my set of waterproofs near the car. This gives me additional clothing to wear should I return to find the vehicle has been stolen. Quite useful when returning after late night outings in remote areas.

My own secret naturist clothing system, by design, also allows me to leave backup clothing on my outings. My shorts and t-shirt form one set and this is usually carried. Jacket and trousers forms another which can be hidden for later use if required. The third, waterproofs, has already been mentioned above.

You might think having backup clothing is a waste of time but I have found myself having to resort to backup clothing when I had been unable to find my main set of clothing hidden under some trees. This was in my early days as a secret naturist and I now take much more care.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 04, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
I truly love leaving all my clothing behind and venturing out freely. My concerns are usually about animals running off with my pack or clothes, or somebody crawling into them, while I'm gone. I have hung them in a tree. Its like losing a car key, or concern that ones car may be stolen.

It sometimes will limit an excursion to be out with no clothing, if I change my mind and can't follow through because I have no clothes. Like coming across a camp, or town and can't just walk through them naked to get to the other side.

If I'm at camp, it is great to just wander off completely nude at a whim, direction unknown. In that case, the whole of the camp is backup.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on January 04, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
In many places where its uncrowded enough to be hiking naked its also uncrowded at the car park to leave my clothes locked in the trunk.  Keys are easy to hide near the vehicle.  There are sometimes a car park at a crowded picnic area but the trail is rarely used.  In which case I tend to carry my backup outfit in my day pack with my water and emergency first aid kit, etc.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 04, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
In the one place where I have hiked nude most, there is a rather large parking lot at the trail heads (on opposite sides of the parking lot). I try to arrive at first light and often as not, I'm the first one there. Sometimes there have been no other cars all day, other times two or three. Yet on the aerial view on Bing, the parking lot is full, at least fifty vehicles. That's only visible on the closest magnification and I think it must have been during fall colors. Anyway, I've always started out entirely nude save for footwear but I've always carried something to wear--sometimes not enough. My last trip there was on a rather cool day but it wasn't too cool for nude hiking. But when I reached the ridge, it was another story. I did not bring quite enough to keep comfortably warm while on the ridge. But once off the ridge, it wasn't too bad. I passed another hiker on the way down but I was dressed by then.

Once in early June I had finished a nude hike in the same place, staying nude the entire distance, about a six or seven hour hike. I was sitting in my car, still nude, making notes, when a school bus pulled into the lot and about twenty or thirty grade school kids, some in swimwear, got out and ran (they run everywhere at that age) up the trail I had left not ten minutes earlier. Timing is everything.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 05, 2020, 01:56:29 AM
Yes, I have gotten myself into some cold temps with little or no backup. It has been a bit of a grace, because, I got my chilled self down back to base quicker, which I needed to do, more than I knew. I move quicker to stay warm and to make sure I don't get way cold. But, I like to enjoy my hikes.

I did that in the Tortolitas, and two canyons, as I remember. The sun goes down behind a hill, or canyon ridge and those shadows drop temps probably 20 degrees from sun to shade. In Agua Fria there was a strong wind all afternoon, which began to howl about shade time. The chill factor was dropping fast. I haven't endangered myself, except maybe that day.

We can cut sometimes more than half of the time that getting to a place takes. We take photos and really get into the nature. Out in Happy Valley, I took nothing, we bushwhacked lots through that canyon and going was a bit slow. To the rear harch was much more reckless, just a little breeze can make a huge difference. It feels urgent, like running out of water in the heat.

Then there was that time in the 1980's when my wife and I took off at night through the neighborhood without watches, BEER in hand. We were at a mile of two distance from the house, when the sun began to brighten the sky around the distant mountains. We high tailed it, but the last of it was spent walking through the neighborhood in daylight. It was fortunately a Sunday morning early.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 05, 2020, 08:22:02 AM
Here's an article about no-back-up policies.

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2017/06/27/on-nudity-without-back-up-coverings/#more-2653

Here's a thread here about "no net":
http://freerangenaturism.com/forum/index.php?topic=1075.0



Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 05, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
What happens, weather-wise, is, there can be a significant difference between conditions down in the hollows and up on the ridges or between sunlight and shade or between differences in elevation. Those things don't happen all the time, of course, but they can. In the place I frequently mention in hiking from my back door to a local man-made pond or lake, the top of the dam is one interesting place. Sometimes it is a nice place to sit and watch the goings on down on the water. Other times there is a fierce wind blowing. It's also a place where I meet interesting people and talk.

If you stay in the woods or on the level trail alongside the creek, conditions probably won't change much. But there can always be a change in the weather, usually bringing rain. I don't care to walk in the rain, though I have, but I find being out while it's snowing to be delightful. We really don't get much snow around here, though.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on January 05, 2020, 09:15:56 PM
In the one place where I have hiked nude most, there is a rather large parking lot at the trail heads (on opposite sides of the parking lot). I try to arrive at first light and often as not, I'm the first one there.

This reminds me of when I was visiting in Albuquerque, NM, USA, a couple of years ago.  The east side of Albuquerque is Sandia Mountain which is public land. The last row of homes bordering the wild are more expensive because of the open wild behind.  One of the access points for one of the hiking trails comes down an arroyo (dry river) and then between two expensive homes onto a neighborhood street.  On street parking.   

One morning early before the sun was up I parked on the street and walked between the expensive homes to the arroyo where I looked around for a good place to hide my city clothes.  Its pretty much of a desert so there wasn't any good hiding place.  I finally went back to my car, stripped off, and locked my clothes in the car.  Going back between the homes naked I noticed one of them had a glass wall toward the path, with lights on inside, but nobody was watching for walkers. 

I hiked around the mountain trails for a couple of miles when I came to another trailhead parking, passed a bicycle rider, and then started back toward my car.  I passed a couple of other walkers on my journey back.  It was broad daylight with sunshine by the time I reached the arroyo, passed between the houses, and came naked onto their residential street. I found my car key behind the tire and retrieved my city covers.  Its always disappointing when you have to get covered again.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 08, 2020, 01:59:14 PM
What I really want when I pull into a parking lot is for no one to be there and sometimes that happens. One time, though, I had parked in said parking lot with no other cars there already. I dutifully set out totally nude, except for shoes and my pack. Somewhere, maybe halfway to the ridge, a runner passed me going the other way. I have no idea where he came from except from the direction I was heading. This particular trail is about ten miles as a circular hike, more or less depending on a couple of alternate routes. It connects with other trails, one of which leads to a supposedly "family" campground not far from where I usually park. There's also another large paved parking lot, picnic shelter, the works, less than a mile away, too (at Elizabeth Furnace). So the trail runner probably came from there. I've been there several times and generally do not see anyone else on the way up but frequently pass people on the way down. I like to go during the week when, in theory, there will be fewer people there. According to one source, the trail gains 2,680 feet from the parking lot to the summit. There are few places along the trail with any view worth mentioning.

There are also trails on the opposite mountain but I've done little hiking over there.

I've had a no clothing outing on my list of things to do but I can only think of two or three places to do that without undue risk. Maybe someday. It's a case of risk with no gain, only a bragging point. I would always carry a light pack no matter what, so there's no gain from not bringing a pair of shorts. One of those places, though, is near my hometown, less than 20 miles away. It isn't a place that attracts hikers and campers from far away (I think) but it's probably well known to local fishermen and bikers (including motorbikes). Access is limited, which helps a little and there's a good view of the New River the entire way. It's where some of my ancestors settled sometime before the revolution. Nobody lives there now. I keep mentioning things like this as a way to encourage myself. We'll see if it helps.

I actually know of one trail in Shenandoah National Park that would be a suitable place for a no clothes hike. But it's not at all scenic and the return involves a steep trail. But it's closer.

By the way, it snowed here yesterday. We still have about an inch on the deck.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 09, 2020, 11:09:28 PM
Basic Layer: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

After many years practical experience I've found that my basic layer of clothing consists of simply a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. I find that these two items helps me to best cope with both ground and weather conditions, while also allowing me to present an appearance of normality to members of the public.

Some fellow enthusiasts have commented that these two items could be reduced to less, perhaps just a pair of shorts, or even a g-string. However, in this part of the world wearing only these items does look out of place and I think it important to "blend in" with the other people at the locality being visited. Having said that, I do have a basic layer that could be regarded as being less. A pair of running shorts and a running vest are about the minimum I would consider for my basic layer.

Your basic layer need not be anything fancy, just about any shorts and t-shirts will do fine. However, if planning to carry your clothing with you, look for lightweight items that take up little space in your bumbag.

One important characteristic for shorts is the ability to be taken off and put on over footwear. I find that baggy shorts permit this to happen. Too often in the past I have found myself falling over when trying to pull on shorts that will barely fit over my footwear.

There are all manner of lightweight and low bulk shorts on the market and it is very much a matter of personal preference what you prefer. My own preference is for synthetic materials that dry quickly and are lightweight, for example, swimming shorts with the pockets and liners removed. These can be picked up for a few pounds in end of season sales. This low price also allows you to purchase spares for use as backup clothing.

The same applies to t-shirts. Any old cotton t-shirt will do the job but I find that so-called "technical" t-shirts from outdoor shops will provide better protection from the sun and also warmth, than cheap versions. Again, cheap cotton t-shirts can be bought for a few pounds and make ideal backup clothing.

This basic layer, comprising of shorts and t-shirt, forms only one of three layers of clothing in my secret naturist clothing system. The second layer includes both a lightweight jacket and lightweight long trousers. The third comprises a set of lightweight waterproofs. These allow me a great deal of flexibility to cope with varying weather conditions and terrain. When hiding clothing I can also hide each set separately for greater security against loss.

With respect to clothing colours, there are two ways of looking at it. One is to go for light coloured clothing that closely matches your skin colour. The theory being that if seen naked from a distance ad then later seen while clothed, some doubt may be cast that you were actually naked at all. I have witnessed this on one occasion.

The other option that can prove useful at times, particularly when active at night is to go for dark coloured clothing. When the need arises for you to do a quick vanishing act, slipping on dark coloured clothing helps you achieve this. Studies completed by some martial arts groups have shown that dark red or burgundy is the best colour for not showing up at night, not black as you would expect. However, I also think that dark grey is also quite effective.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on January 09, 2020, 11:31:53 PM
This basic layer, comprising of shorts and t-shirt, forms only one of three layers of clothing in my secret naturist clothing system. The second layer includes both a lightweight jacket and lightweight long trousers. The third comprises a set of lightweight waterproofs. These allow me a great deal of flexibility to cope with varying weather conditions and terrain. When hiding clothing I can also hide each set separately for greater security against loss.

That's what I usually carry when I'm worried that I may need some cover. Shorts and T. 


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With respect to clothing colours, there are two ways of looking at it. One is to go for light coloured clothing that closely matches your skin colour. The theory being that if seen naked from a distance ad then later seen while clothed, some doubt may be cast that you were actually naked at all. I have witnessed this on one occasion.

Light color stands out against the woods in daylight.  The woods are dark, almost black.  Leaves do a really good job of soaking up sunshine.   Some years ago they repainted large water tanks in the woods above Los Alamos where I lived.  They chose a light tan color.  It stood out like a sore thumb against the dark green and black woods.  Naked people probably stand out too until late in the summer.

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The other option that can prove useful at times, particularly when active at night is to go for dark coloured clothing. When the need arises for you to do a quick vanishing act, slipping on dark coloured clothing helps you achieve this. Studies completed by some martial arts groups have shown that dark red or burgundy is the best colour for not showing up at night, not black as you would expect. However, I also think that dark grey is also quite effective.

I would go with black or very dark brown for hiding in a woods at any time of day or night.  Even the pinion and juniper they have in NM are mostly black if you stand near them. 

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 13, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
I don't see the need to blend in with the locals so much. Perhaps times have changed. I assume that this has mostly to do with day hiking. I'm not concerned that anyone knows that I am free hiking, just that they don't get offended by my less legal parts.

 I wear a sarong often for this. I'll often put on a kilt in more public areas that a trailhead. The leg holes are a problem when in a hurry, with shoes and all.

The kilt is camouflage, the sarong is dull green. I'd wear a camo sarong if I had one.

At night, dark grey, even black works great. The fashion is that in DF's neighborhood, and these shadows are hard to spot. Still, seldom but when I do get out at night, the kilt is fine. The see the kilt, not the nude. I sometimes wear a sweatjacket with a hood if the temp is down or, I'm out in the Tortolita neighborhood. It has front pockets and pulling it down with them, one must assume that there are shorts under, or that the stuff is covered enough.

A t-shirt isn't necessary, if the weather is good enough for shorts or nude. Sunburn is a concern, but a sarong on the shoulders is good enough.

People assume that you are clothed. I have my mailpouch shoulder bag that shifts in front of me if I see anyone that can see me. perhaps a tan sarong would work as suggested.
Jbee
 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 14, 2020, 05:11:33 PM
Footwear: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Personally, on secret naturist outings, I much prefer to walk barefoot where ground conditions permit rather than wear any form of footwear. It seems to me that you are only truly naked when you are without clothing and also barefoot. Anything less just isn't the same.

During my early days as a secret naturist, I wore my normal footwear and that was my hiking boots but soon found these cumbersome and awkward. Then I started wearing training shoes and while this was great improvement over boots, I still did not feel truly naked. Next, I bought a pair of sports sandals and finally found the ideal footwear for secret naturist adventures.
The great benefit of sports sandals is that they provide a mid-point between wearing footwear and going barefoot. They provide protection to the soles of the feet yet allow the feet to be almost naked. Admittedly not quite going barefoot but as near as you can get. You do still have to take care not to stub toes on rocks and branches but that just takes a little practice.
Sports sandals are also great for when conditions are wet underfoot, such as after rain and even when skinny dipping. They are easily cleaned and tend not to start to smell and eventually rot as do trainers.

Some have commented that you must wear proper protective footwear when outdoors and to a point I agree with them. However, I've worn both boots and sandals on the same routes and have only ever twisted an ankle while wearing boots! With sandals you tend to take your time and look more carefully where you step. I even wear sports sandals when nude cycling or mountain biking.

There are few good tips for getting the most from sports sandals when using them on secret naturist outings. When walking along level ground they can be worn loose or lightly fastened. On rough or sloping terrain tighten up the straps to stop your feet sliding inside the sandal. Its also worth noting that sandals are quite useless when muddy as your feet slip around no matter how tight the straps are.

When purchasing sports sandals for secret naturist use, go for models that are fully made from synthetic materials. These are much easier to clean than natural fabrics such as leather. Velcro straps are also more practical than buckles but can be a bit noisy when you don't want to be heard. You also want the best gripping soles you can find, ones that will provide secure footing on wet grass and the like.

I find sandals really practical on secret naturist outings as you don't have to worry about getting wet feet. You can cross streams, rivers and even bogs without bothering too much about getting wet or mucky. Everything is easily cleaned up afterwards by simply washing in a handy stream. I find them particularly useful for protecting the feet when at the coast, either from sharp rocks, glass or shell fragments.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 14, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
I prefer my fivetoes/five finger toe shoes, barefoot, or hauraches, dependent on terrain.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 14, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
Here is our thread about shirts:http://freerangenaturism.com/forum/index.php?topic=6.0
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on January 14, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
Skirts, not shirts, JBG.

I'd say your Freudian slip is showing, if it made any sense.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 16, 2020, 04:26:40 PM
skirts, shirts, they are all part of those nasty ol' impositions called clothes. Perhaps I am mearly expressing my attitude of "whatever"...

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...or, bugger the lot...or, h and k are close on teh key pad...or,....

Okay, it is like capitalizing and spelling. I need to be clear.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 21, 2020, 07:34:26 PM
HEADGEAR: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

A simple hat or baseball cap can be useful to the secret naturist for quite a number of reasons, not all of them obvious, and should have a firm place in your secret naturist kit bag.
During cold weather they provide some protection to the head, helping to keep a large percentage of body head from escaping into the air. Interestingly, I find that wearing a warm hat will make walking naked bearable in cold weather. By preventing heat from escaping from the head, more body heat is available for the rest of the body, for keeping warm.
Conversely, in hot and sunny weather, a baseball cap provides shade from the sun, helping to keep the head cool and also for shading the eyes from direct sunlight. Spectacle wearers or those wearing sunglasses, will also find they can see much better as glare and reflections are reduced by the hat. The same applies when using binoculars.
My personal collection contains two hats, both by LoweAlpine. The first is a simple baseball cap and is used throughout the year except in cold weather when my ears suffer from the cold. It has also been treated with spray-on water-proofing to give it some degree of waterproofing for use when raining. In colder conditions, a LoweAlpine Mountain cap is used. This model has fold down sides which offer protection to the ears and is also wind and water proof and breathable.
Hints & Tips:
•   Baseball caps fold up and pack easily into a bumbag.
•   Pick a hat that folds up rather than a stiff brimmed one.
•   Avoid one size hats - adjustable are more comfortable and stay-on better.
•   Have more than one hat of different types for different conditions.
•   Spray on water-proofing keeps hats dry in the rain.
At night a baseball cap can be used to shade the eyes from light reflected from the sky or from streetlamps, thus making it easier to see the ground where you are walking. I can vouch for this method from an experience recently when descending from the some local hills at night. The glare from the street lighting below in the town made it quite difficult to see the path, particularly when walking in the direction of the streetlights. A baseball cap is the perfect answer to this problem.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 21, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
I wear my trusty converted mack . The brim shades my nose from burn. It saves on lots of squinting and sunglasses. I use a cover for my shoulders rather than a wide brim hat, which gets airborne.

A hat or cap is good to protect the thin hair spots that so many of us acquire.

I have noticed the difference when wearing a cap in the sauna more Russian style. As Lookee mentions it holds in the body heat. I notice when camping out, how much difference there is when my head is covered as I sleep. 

I chose a tan color to blend in in stealth and to reflect heat.

Baseball caps ,jus' ain't me, but m now with this beard that I'm playing with, I've gotten a couple of cracks about my "Lenin-esque" look. ???
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on January 22, 2020, 12:45:58 AM
I agree that a hat is beneficial to wear even when the rest of one is naked.   However I've never been a fan of ball caps.  Find a more adult hat.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on January 22, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
I find aaseball cap useful if I'm driving towards a low sun, it gives a better cut off than the sunvisors in the vehicle.
I find a cap or brimmed hat cuts out the skyglare so eliminates the need for sunglasses inmost conditions.main exceptions being reflections from water or cars.
My fav hat has a zipper pocket in the crown just large enough for car keys.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 22, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
My distaste for baseball caps started in the army, back when that olive-green baseball cap was standard. It was the worst of all possible military headgear, with the possible exception of the unlined beret now on issue. However, I wear one when I wear a jacket with a hood. I can wear the hood over a baseball cap and the cap keeps the hood where I want it. Otherwise I wear some kind of hat with a brim.

Once, when I had taken a nice, long, mostly nude hike up in the mountains early one spring before the leaves were out up there, I came back with a slight sunburn on my shoulders with stripes where the pack straps had been. Only time that ever happened. It's rare that I could get in any nude hiking with no leaves on the trees.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 22, 2020, 04:34:32 PM
I agree that a hat is beneficial to wear even when the rest of one is naked.   

"You Can Leave Your Hat On" Joe Cocker, of course.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 22, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
I just noticed your line, "barefoot all over." I prefer to think "face all over."
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on January 26, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
I noticed this typo in the headgear post below - made me smile
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to keep a large percentage of body head from escaping into the air.

In the sun I wear a wide brimmed hat.  I discovered on holiday in California that the cowboy hat is not just a decorative idiomatic shape.  It does a good job improving my tolerance of heat and sun (although it was lesser protection in the 35-40 deg heat of Egypt).  The hat has a tall crown that provides insulation, a wide brim, and shade (opines Wikipedia!).  Mine is not so large as a stetson, made of a sort of stiff canvas and has latticed vent holes in the crown.
In the cold I wear a wooly hat and I do have a sort of peaked fur lined thing with ear muffs that untie and drop down but I don't wear that much as I look a bit of a berk in it! :)

John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 01:54:13 AM
Warmwear: From The Secret Naturist Handbook:

If you have read most of the pages in this web site, you will have gathered that I'm an all-seasons secret naturist, being active all year round, even in the winter months. Obviously,  weather warm enough for prolonged periods of nudity during the cold winter months can be rare but good days do exist, mostly in early spring and late autumn.

This page is about selecting suitable clothing that will keep you warm during the periods of your secret naturist outing when you have to wear clothes, such as approaching and returning from the location. At the same time this clothing should also be low in weight and packed bulk for easy storage inside a bumbag.

The basis of my cold weather clothing is actually the clothing mentioned elsewhere in this section but with a few small additions and changes. The t-shirt is replaced by a long-sleeved thermal shirt by Helly Hansen. This forms the base layer, on top of which goes a North Face Expedition jersey made from Polartec 100 fleece, followed by my usual windproof Rohan jacket. If I need further warmth, then my Pertex waterproof jacket will be used. For the lower half, standard shorts with baggy longs on top are usually more than adequate for most temperatures down to freezing point.

Head and hands are next on the list to get cold weather protection. On the head goes a windproof Polartec 200 fleece hat, while hands are catered for with lightweight thermal and windproof gloves. Both items take up little space inside the bumbag when walking naked. In fact, all the above items can be carried inside the LoweAlpine Mesa Runner with the exception of The North Face jersey which is strapped on top with the compression straps. Strange as it may seem, I can easily withstand temperatures between 5 and 0 degrees C. for short periods, up to 30 minutes without wind, as long as I keep my head and ears warm!

Down at ground level, the customary sandals are replaced by sturdy approach trainers by Merrell and two pairs of thin socks are worn. When snow is lying, one pair of socks are replaced with waterproof Gore-Tex socks to keep the feet warm and dry. It's worth pointing out that the key to keeping warm is to keep moving. If you find yourself getting chilled, step up the pace a bit and get the muscles working and the blood circulating.

Information on secret naturism in cold weather can be found in the Weather section.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 01:56:53 AM
Waterproofs: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

The third part of my secret naturist clothing system comprises a set of lightweight waterproofs. They were originally bought for mountain biking and other outdoor activities but are also ideal for secret naturist use. Being lightweight they are easy to carry with the bumbag and offer great protection when the weather catches you out.

I don't always carry them but they are usually with me when I take the car on outings. My main use for them is as a third set of backup clothing. They live inside a dark coloured stuff sack and I often drop them near the car as backups, particularly when I intend to hide my clothing. Knowing there is always an additional set of clothing available is great for peace of mind.

If you are looking for lightweight waterproofs, which can also be worn at other times as well, there are plenty on the market and most outdoor shops will stock a wide range. However, you do get what you pay for and I would recommend going for breathable fabrics rather than the cheapest you can find. Golf shops also carry some good examples as do running shops.

I once had a set of lightweights made from Pertex. This fabric looks like parachute nylon and weights next to nothing. It is shower proof but not waterproof and I've worn them on their own without any clothing underneath. Interestingly, you almost feel as if you are actually naked, even when wearing these items of clothing, particularly when there's a cool breeze. Actually lost them somewhere and have not found a suitable replacement yet.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 02:10:54 AM
These two wrap up the "Clothing Section."

The next section in line is titled "Gear." A dozen topics of "Gear" will appear eventually.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 02:13:36 AM
GEAR:

Overview: From the Secret Naturist Society

While secret naturists spend much of their time without the need for much in the way of clothing and equipment, there are instances when some items of equipment are useful, and others when a particular item of kit might be essential and this section takes at in-depth look at some of the items of equipment used most regularly on secret naturist outings.

In keeping with one of our principles, "to achieve total nudity and to carry the minimum of clothing and other items of equipment.", the secret naturist endeavours to keep equipment, and also clothing, to a minimum, only taking what is required for any given outing and this section looks at equipment used in a variety of outings from nocturnal outings and underground explorations to short walks and 24 hour expeditions. All the equipment detailed in this section adheres to secret naturist ultra-lightweight principles, keeping bulk and weight to a minimum, yet still remaining effective for the task in hand.

Most of the equipment included here has been tried and tested over many years on secret naturist outings in Scotland, in a variety of conditions and at different times of year. Some items are the end result of many years of purchasing and testing, replacement and field trails. Some are expensive although cheaper but less suitable alternatives can be found. The items described here are generally for short duration outings, lasting up to 24 hours. Overnight outings where camping equipment is required has not been covered, although some basic items providing shelter, for cooking, etc, are included.

It should always be remembered that equipment is not a means to an end but an aid to secret naturism. At all times the secret naturist should ask themselves if a particular item if really required or could be left behind. They should also seek alternative means of achieving the required task. A good example, being the use of natural direction indicators rather than relying on map and compass. After all the aim is to be naked and free from the paraphernalia of modern society, to be able to use what natural resources are available to achieve our aims.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 02:32:00 AM
I remind the reader that the end of the "Clothing" section is posted on the proceeding page. This was posted at the same time.

From backpacking, it is apparent to me that a gear check list will vary with need. The duration, the terrain, the time of year, the amount of nudity that can safely be had, etc. will be factors that change everything.

We like to eliminate everything possible and minimize and ultralight our way down as much as possible. DF and I get it down and then take turns carrying, so that the other can experience an unfettered nude experience. Carrying clothing, just a coverup, water, sun protection and shoes are our usual minimal concerns.

Then, there's the cold weather considerations, or just how far out we are.

We also take more equipment for overnight stays in the wilds. We can establish a base camp twice as far as we can walk in and out in a day and then wander unfettered from there. We have noticed that our range is lessened in a day's hike when we carry more weight as gear on our backs. We can get way out there and back with less on a day hike, sometimes. Then again, it isn't the goal, but the trip smelling the flowers on the way.

I think that looking at individual items, one at a time and identifying needs as Lookee has ordered this, shall make for a good thoughtful discussion, instead of a general approach. So, here's the first one, in alphabetical order...binoculars.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 02:34:38 AM
Binoculars: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

As a keen watching of both birds and other wildlife, I tend to carry a pair of binoculars on most of my excursions into the countryside, including all secret naturist outings as well. Not only are they useful for studying the local wildlife but they are also useful for the secret naturist.

One of the key aspects of remaining unseen while on secret naturist outings is a good awareness of the surrounding area. If you know what or who is approaching, you are able to plan accordingly, perhaps by changing your route or simply ducking into cover until the way is clear. Binoculars are a great aid to this purpose.

Binoculars are great for scanning the way ahead and on more than one occasion I spotted people through the binoculars that I would not have seen with the naked eye. This allowed me to take a different route that that I had originally planned and was able, in this instance, to complete the entire outing while naked, from start to finish.

Binoculars are also a good supporting aid to your cover story. Anyone seeing a pair of binoculars hanging around you neck will almost certainly assume you are a birder, rather than a secret naturist. Even at night they can also be used to reinforce your astronomy cover story.

My personal preference for binoculars for secret naturist use are small compact binoculars. These are relatively lightweight and take up little space inside the bumbag. The only issue I have with these is that you tend to get what you pay for and only top of the range models will offer a bright clear image.

My current binoculars are made by Leica, and are Trinovid Compact 8x20 BCA. The "8" stands for the magnification, in this case 8 times normal and the "20" is the diameter of the objective lens, the one opposite the one your look through. They are not cheap at around �250.00 but are of the highest quality. A don't know what the "BC" means but the "A" means they are rubber armoured and waterproof.


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
I keep a pair of small lightweight quality binoculars in my truck. I rarely carry them. DF has a great pair that are lightweight but larger. We have used them at times. Since photography is a part of our outings the built-in zoom lens serves as a good binocular. We often take a pic of something that we can't make out in the distance and then I take the shot home and blow it up again on a 32" flat screen TV screen hooked to my computer. Sometimes, I'll see things that I might have missed. This week, I'll post a pic of a guy in the background at Redington Pass. I didn't remember him standing and staring.

If people are so far away, they quite often are not a problem. We have more wide open spaces in the west. We see great distances, except in the mountain forests. There are generally fewer trails and rerouting ability would be unusual.

I think that using them for an excuse is a brilliant idea, but useless for me. I don't need an excuse. I'm wandering naked and proud and free. Those encountered should get used to the idea, become aware of nude life and stop with the hangups. I just get out of the way, just so not be concerned about breaking any laws.
Jbee


 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 29, 2020, 12:54:49 PM
Nice set of entries. I used to say that if I plan far enough ahead of time for an outing away from home, it will rain every time. So rainwear is part of my outfit. I use a poncho and I almost never read anything about anyone else using them. They have disadvantages, supposedly, but a poncho can be worn over almost everything, including a pack, if it isn't too large. I've even worn one and nothing else (on a rainy day) on the Appalachian Trail while passing other people and even when walking down the highway. I have no idea if anyone was the wiser or not.

I enjoy seeing the birds and animals when I'm in the woods and I think I see more around here where I live than I do up in the mountains.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on January 29, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
My experience is limited because I live in dry Arizona, but I have noticed the body heat trapped in the plastic panchos and they only weigh a couple of ounces. I've stayed warm in one naked otherwise.

Anybody else had that experience?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on January 29, 2020, 07:49:10 PM
Yes, same here, and to some extent, it will trap moisture, too, but since a poncho is a rather airy thing to wear, it's really only noticeable around the neck. I also use an army Gore-Tex parka but only when it's snowing or freezing rain and never as an only garment. I also use an umbrella sometimes with a poncho, although you run out of hands pretty quickly. A poncho, if it's large enough, makes a fair temporary shelter when it's snowing or raining, too, and you can't really stop and rest or have lunch on a wet day without some shelter. A snowy day makes for an interesting outing but rain just gets everything wet. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2020, 09:21:28 AM
BUMBAGS: From the Secret Naturist Handbook

For many years now, the humble bumbag, or fanny pack as they are known in the United States, has been the mainstay of my secret naturist equipment, providing the ideal way of carrying and protecting clothing, supplies and small items of equipment on all secret naturist outings. Bumbags come in a wide ranges of sizes and shapes from the smallest capable of only holding a pair of shorts to those used by fell runners that will hold a complete set of clothing with room to spare. You should chose the most suitable size for the outing to plan to undertake.

My bumbag stable consists of four items, all manufactured by LoweAlpine. They are not the cheapest of items on the market ranging in price from about £10.00 to £25.00 but the quality of the materials and construction are very good and they can also be bought readily in most countries in the western world.

Starting with the smallest, the Mini Beltpack, which will take a pair of running shorts and runner's vest, if packed carefully. A separate zipped pocket gives secure storage for keys and small emergency items. As will all my bumbags, a plastic emergency whistle and emergency kit has a permanent home inside. It is also useful for short trips when you have stashed your main bumbag and want something for smaller items, it can even be carried inside one of the larger models.

Next in line at £15.00 is the Fjell Runner. This will take shorts, t-shirt, and either long trousers and a light jacket or a set of waterproofs. This is ideal for when hiding clothing as you can carry two sets of clothing which can be hidden separately for additional security.

The final two from my bumbag stable are the Peak Runner and Mesa Runner. Both have similar storage capacities of around 6 litres and both have external straps for carrying items externally. They differ only in design with the Peak Runner having a smaller main compartment with two mesh outer pockets which are ideal for holding water bottles or waterproof clothing. Both also have small zipped pockets for small item security and padded waist belts with compression straps to ensure a snug fit against the body when running. Very useful when you need to make a fast exit. The Mesa Runner has the greatest capacity and is mostly used in winter when warmer and therefore bulkier clothing is required.

Of all the above, the Peak Runner is my favourite, being the most versatile and is used more often than not on all my secret naturist outings. Being all-black in colour it is easy to hide in vegetation and will hold shorts, t-shirts, trousers and jacket in the main compartment, while a water bottle and waterproof jacket or other item can be carried externally. Room can still be found for a torch or other small items.

On a typical secret naturist outing, I would arrive wearing one set of clothing, with the other inside the bumbag. Keys would be secured inside a pocket or attached to the internal key clip. Once at a suitable spot, I would strip off and pack all clothing inside, giving a compact and secure means of carrying my clothing. The bumbag would either go round my waist or be slung over a shoulder, the latter method giving the feeling of being more naked. Shorts would always be carried protruding for quick access if required.

Most quality bumbags come with short lengths of cord or ribbon attached to each zip pull to aid use. These tend to be only up to around 50mm long and should be replaced with longer lengths of around 75 - 100mm, making them much easier to use. Use 3mm accessory cord available from outdoor and climbing shops and remember to use the flame from a match or lighter to seal the cut ends to prevent fraying.

Bumbags also tend to have two way zips, i.e. the zip can be opened from any location along the length of the zip. A useful tip is to always have the zip pulls in the same location all the time with the best place being in the middle. That way you do not need to remember which end the zip pull is in the dark.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Not my style. Bumbags leave a belt-like tanline. DF used to wear one when I first knew her, but that is over. We share the load, alternate, or go bare. The water bottles are too small for the desert.

I think thout one might look very nice with ma new kilt.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on February 02, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
I use a small backpack rather than having something belted around my waist. Either way will leave a tan line if you're in the sun enough.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on February 02, 2020, 02:55:32 PM
I have always carried a small backpack.  It has room for water, lunch, shorts, and even a towel.  Zipper side pockets hold first aid/emergency kit, car keys, etc.  I often carry it slung over one shoulder, not both, and often on the shady side to prevent tan lines.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on February 02, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
I have a small crocheted bag that I carry over my shoulder. It can hold a water bottle and accoutrements. If I'm carrying more, I will carry a small cloth grocery bag.
I try to follow the ideas here, hiking in with basic needs, then establishing a nest to leave them while I scout around unencumbered.
~Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2020, 07:35:37 PM
I do that too Bob. I shift the shoulders and take note of which side is in the sun. My nose and shoulders are the most vulnerable.

When I need more stuff, I use a backpack. The balance is better for a spine. I place my sarong under the straps to protect the shoulders.

At any opportunity, I get as naked and unencumbered as I can. DF and I switch off.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 12, 2020, 10:24:41 PM
Calling Cards: From the Secret Naturist Handbook: Gear

The idea behind calling cards came from a master of science fantasy, Terry Pratchett. In one of his Discworld novels he invented the Thieves Guild, a regulated organisation that controlled crime in the city where all Guild members would leave a calling card at the scene of their "official" crimes.

The secret naturist version of the calling card contains a few line of text on the subject of secret naturism and are left in a prominent place at locations visited by secret naturists. These cards would not only spread the word about secret naturism but would no doubt give rise to some merriment and wonder for those who find them. Not only a bit of fun and also an important way of bringing together the "brotherhood" of secret naturists.

My current calling cards are standard business card size, approx. 85 x 55mm and are printed out at home using a laser printer for quality on standard copier paper. Printing then yourself gives you the option to change the text whenever you wish, say, one card for hills and other for skinny dipping locations, and so on. I've looked into getting them printed properly on card at a printers and found a price of £40.00 for 500 cards. However, you would need to face the staff at the printers at some point!
A possible benefit of using professionally printed cards is that they project a more professional and open image of the secret naturist movement and may also even help to show that we are purely concerned with nudity and in no way associated with other more dubious activities which shall remain nameless.

My personal method is to place up to 5 cards in a small self-sealing polythene bag along with a map pin for fixing in place. The card pack is usually placed on a fence post, gate or tree stump in a prominent place but out of the way of small rodents or livestock that might decide lunch had arrived. For locations without a convenient timber fence or whatever, such as a trig point, use a small stone to hold them down and prevent the wind blowing them away. All my cards are treated with water-proofing spray then laminated with clear self-adhesive plastic film. It's a laborious process but worth it in the end as the cards survive wet conditions for much longer.

Hints & Tips:
•   Keep a few cards in each of your bumbags and you will not forget to take them.
•   Also keep some cards in your rucksack, car, bike bag, etc for spur of the moment secret naturism.
•   Avoid obvious locations such as car parks as the packs will just be removed and destroyed. (depending on location).
•   Visit a location regularly to check up on cards and replace them if required.
•   If you meet someone and are unable to cover up, hand them one of your calling cards.
•   Use your calling card to reinforce that your nudity is honest and open.
Just to make things more interesting when placing calling cards, I would recommend the following guidelines:
•   You must be totally naked at the time of placement i.e. no clothing, footwear, hats, sunglasses, etc.
•   You must have been naked for at least 5 minutes. This is simply to make things more interesting.
•   You may return to a location at a later date to place cards if all these rules where complied with during the earlier visit.

Although one of the rules stated in Leave No Trace, advises that we should "Leave nothing but footprints", I feel that the humble calling card should be the only exception to the rule.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 12, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
Good at geocaching sites.

I've never used them. I do have small flyers abut TheFreeRangeNaturist, org. I get around to passing them out here and there. I'm taking a stack to Zipolite.

It is very good to get the word out, anytime.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on February 13, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
What do you put on your card?    Do you put your name and address like a normal business card?  Or do you simply put some wordage about Naked hiking?  I might try that. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 13, 2020, 06:28:16 PM
It would seem that the choice would be yours. I wouldn't do name and address, but I might reference this forum, or other websites. It would be fun notification in a geocache container.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on February 13, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
It would be fun notification in a geocache container.
Jbee

That it would.   I print card stock on my ink jet printer.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 15, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
Cleanup Kit: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Keeping clean is an important factor to consider for the secret naturist, for two main reasons. One, for basic health and two, to help maintain your cover. A family member or relative finding dirt where dirt just should not be, could result in you having some explaining to do. For these reasons I've pulled together a small clean-up kit that hold a few useful items. The list below contains all the items that are available from my clean-up kit but not all are taken on every outing. Only what is required for a specific outing are carried.

Basic Kit

Only three items comprise the basic clean-up kit, two small handkerchiefs and a metal nail cleaning tool. These have a permanent home on each of my two larger bumbags, the Peak Runner and Mesa Runner. They cope with most circumstances such as cleaning feet and toe nails after walking barefoot, legs after walking across muddy terrain and the two handkerchiefs will cope, at a pinch, for drying off after some spur of the moment skinny dipping.

Extended Kit

In addition to the above items, when the outing dictates, I add a small field towel. This is taken when I am specifically going to be getting wet such as on skinny dipping or where mud is involved. The field towel is for drying off. Two other items, a comb for looking after hair and a nail brush also form part of this kit but are rarely used. As a spectacle wearer, a small pack of tissues also comes in useful. All the above are housed in a small stuff sack, kept in the car to be available when required.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 15, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
I generally sun dry after a dip and wear a hat, so no comb. The body takes care of itself. I can clean my feet with grass and puddles.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Emergency Kit: From The Secret Naturists Handbook

Over the years I've put together a few small but potentially indispensable items, that might make a difference in an emergency situation such as the car being stolen and having to find my way home late at night.

My emergency kit consists of the following items:
1. Small change and some money to phone home with or to pay for a taxi.
2. A selection of waterproof plasters for those inevitable cuts and scratches associated with walking barefoot or wearing sandals.
3. One pair of socks. In the event of a long walk home and when wearing only sandals, socks make all the difference and prevent blisters from forming.
4. Plastic whistle to attract attention should I be unable to get out of a problem situation.
5. One large handkerchief. Used for washing, drying and could be used as a loin cloth in emergencies.
6. Small button compass for direction finding.

All the above items live in the base of both my Peak Runner and Mesa Runner bumbags, taking up little space or weight but worth their weight in gold should the occasion arise.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 15, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
Tweezers for prickers and some toilet paper to wiping, nose, etc. A zip lock for the TP. I have a tent stake that digs holes, and doubles as a weapon, a tool, sharp edge, etc.

I carry a phone, if the reception is available. A partner is the best in an emergency.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on February 15, 2020, 10:43:43 PM
I like to carry a basic first aid kit in my day pack.  My emergency kit includes small candle, fire starter, mini flashlight, small knife, and TP. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on February 15, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
This is evolving into advice for hiking. But that's okay. I still go hiking, even though I don't often get very far out of town. It's the cost of gas, you know.

Although I still have a "no-backup" (that is, a no cover-up) on my list of things to do, I hike nude when it is possible and practical, which isn't that much, unfortunately. I generally carry a small pack with a few things all the time, mainly to keep in practice for long hikes. I'm not sure if I really need to carry anything at all and sometimes I carry only what fits into my pockets. But for the long hikes, nude or not, this is what I carry:

Water, poncho, a little 1st aid kit, some toilet paper, something to eat, sometimes a map and compass, and a sort of emergency pouch. In cold weather I'll carry coffee in a thermos and a mug and still a little water. I also carry a small plastic trash bag, a small plastic bag for trash and a ground cloth (a square of plastic) and foam pad (for sitting on and to stiffen the frameless pack). If I expect rain, I also carry an umbrella. If I am planning to hike nude, I leave the car already nude but with something to wear in the pack. Sometimes I don't take enough to wear, to be honest.

I used to carry a more or less complete 1st aid kit. Everything you read says to, so I did. But having done so for 40 years, I decided that what I carried wasn't adequate for a real emergency and was mostly unnecessary for what it was good for. I still carry something, though, but only an army field dressing and a selection of band-aids, mostly large. I figured that the worst thing that could happen that I could treat myself with what I could carry was a serious cut or puncture wound, so that's what I attempted to prepare for. A bad fall resulting in a broken bone would probably be a lot worse but I don't know what you might carry for that. Anyway, my so-called first aid kit is about the size of a pack of cards.

That so-called emergency pouch that now forms part of my "always carry" outfit contains a candle, small flashlight, matches, a food bar, a knife, fork and spoon set and maybe something else. Don't remember and I'm not going to go downstairs to check. I had this zippered pouch that I thought was perfect for making up this emergency kit and that's about what would fit inside. That's the most of a survival kit I've ever put together and I only did that last year. In about fifty years of tramping through woods, parks, canal towpaths and strip mines, I think I've used a couple of band-aids and that's about it for "emergencies." But if I didn't take anything, I'm sure I'd need something and desperately.

I still take the regular 1st aid kit when travelling and for overnights. Aspirin is sometimes used.

Reading back over this, I note that I have simplified things fairly well but what I miss or have lost are the spontaneous hikes from my younger days when I took none of that stuff, sometimes even leaving the clothes behind.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 17, 2020, 05:40:59 AM
Take the stuff out, make a base in the tooleys and walk naked from there...or not....
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on February 17, 2020, 05:44:01 AM
Incidentally, I'm out of the country and away from my usual computer till first of the month. I don't know how much time that I'll have to post and this will cause a break in the HAndbook thread for that short time.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on February 23, 2020, 11:01:02 PM
Incidentally, I'm out of the country and away from my usual computer till first of the month. I don't know how much time that I'll have to post and this will cause a break in the HAndbook thread for that short time.
Jbee

Out of the country, Jbee?
My curiosity is roused, and no mistake!
Where are you visiting?  Holiday?
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on February 24, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
S & I just returned from a week in Zipolite Mexico, getting to spend several overlap days with JBee and DF. They are still there, taking over our beach front balcony room, returning to AZ next weekend, I think.
That's assuming they don't fall under the spell & extend their stay. I will let them describe the trip. Of course we got along as old friends would, even though we had never met in the skin. S warmed up to them equally quickly even though she was only recently introduced to this blog and their website.
 ~Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on February 28, 2020, 09:34:21 PM

Oh - how nice that you all met up.
Is 'S' also a naturist?
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 01, 2020, 09:55:16 PM
Keys: Gear: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

The safe carrying and storage of keys, particularly car keys, is important for secret naturists, some of whom may depend on their vehicle to get home. The loss of a key through accidental dropping can be a problem. Keep keys secure in the bottom of your bum bag, in a zipped pocket or attached to a key clip inside the bumbag. All my bumbags have both zipped pockets and clips, and are used at all times to secure keys and also other small items. Keep car keys with electronic gadgets dry inside a polythene bag.
In urban areas, some secret naturist hide their clothing yet carry their keys with them. This could pose a problem should they be accosted by youths or detained by police. With the former, they might actually loose the car and with the latter, the fact you are carrying keys alerts the police to you actually having a vehicle which they can identify you by.
A few hints & tips on keeping keys safe:
•   If you have clothing with zipped pockets, use them to secure your keys against loss.
•   Hide separately from clothing - loose on ground under pile of leaves. If clothing lost, keys will be okay.
•   Use an elastic band to prevent them making a noise. Or just carry the keys you actually need at the time.
•   Hide a spare with the car using a magnetic box attached somewhere e.g. under the bodywork.
•   Keep house & car keys separate. If you loose one at least you will have the other.
Because of their importance, it can be worth the cost of getting spare sets of keys cut and taking them with you, particularly when travelling far from home or away from bus routes or other means of transport.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 01, 2020, 10:00:26 PM
I put my keys at the botom of my camera bag, or I stash them.

Traveling, I have a bag with a wire bike lock in combination lock. I hook the bag to the furniture in my room.

I hide a key that goes to the locks on the bag, or keep them attached in a bag on my wrist, or give them to DF.

Just a car key has been placed in my sock, as I generally hike in shoes.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Safebare on March 02, 2020, 07:17:47 PM
John, sorry for the delayed response. It certainly was a great visit with JBee and DW. Old friends we hadn't officially met yet.
I would say that S is Naturist friendly. She isn't fond of labels though she is more than tolerant of my naked ways. Though she is more restrained in meeting new people, she seemed to ease right in with JBee and DW. We also enjoyed an afternoon with Nick and Lens of the Naked Wandering site.
Our next visit to Zipolite will have to be longer than 7 days. Much longer.
~Safebare
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 03, 2020, 03:28:05 AM
I'll be renting by the month, my own kitchen and nude friendly. It is a healthy lovely place.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 03, 2020, 03:31:23 AM
I was surrounded by wonderful people. Then, I was left alone with "DF" and the solitude was so so very good. Anyway I look at it, I can spend a longer time there...possibly, each winter.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 04, 2020, 10:28:43 PM
Lighting: Gear: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Not all locations will permit the secret naturist to be abroad during the hours of daylight and by necessity, outings sometimes take place during the hours of darkness or more often will take place in the late evening with the latter part of the route being completed at night. Some secret naturists may even embark on more extreme adventures such as exploring underground structures or abandoned buildings at night. In all cases some form of artificial lighting is usually required.

Before looking at lighting in detail, it is worth noting that artificial light should not be used unless essential to safety. It is much better to rely on night vision and a good knowledge of the area before using torches or the like. By using a torch outdoors you can be seen for many miles and could draw attention to yourself. Even the briefest use of a light will destroy night vision and it can take up to 30 minutes to fully regain this.

For situations where lighting is required, I settled for two items of kit. One is the Petzl Tikka LED headlamp which has been adapted for wearing on the wrist by removing the headband and fitting a Velcro-fastening watch strap. The other, also an LED torch, is the Lucido Lightwave 2000. Both are priced around £25.00. The Tikka is also available in an alternate version known as the Zipka which has a retractable band build-in allowing it to be worn on wrist, head or wherever.

Both lights used LED's instead of the traditional filament bulb and although the output is less, the duration is far longer and is measured in days rather than hours. The LED's are also much more robust and are unlikely to fail or suffer damage. The light output from either is not great but when operating as a secret naturist this is actually a boon. You still have enough light to see your way by but do not stand out like a beacon in the night.

The benefits is these long life LED torches are many. The long duration does away with the need to carry spare batteries and the durability of the LED's gives peace of mind against failure. They also cast an even spread of diffuse pale bluish light which is more comfortable on the eyes at night.

The two lights mentioned above are not cheap but the designs are brilliant, particularly the Tikka, which is about the size of a matchbox and when worn on the wrist or head is hardly noticeable after a while. Both can be switched on silently without any loud clicks and take up little space in your bumbag.

The Petzl Tikka has actually moved on somewhat since I bought mine a few years ago. There's now a whole range of products including the Zipka, basically the Tikka with an adjustable strap allowing for head or wrist use. I actually emailed them with the idea but they might have already thought about it. I plan to purchase the Tikka Plus which is now adjustable, comes with four LED's and have three brightness settings. There is also a belt pouch and coloured lens pack available as well.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 04, 2020, 11:01:43 PM
I have done at least one longish hike at night but the moon as out. That was up in Shenandoah. Some, maybe most, military flashlights come with tinted lenses to prevent too much bright light as well as to prevent night blindness. But they're not that handy or lightweight.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 06, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
I use full moonlight on the desert. It is very effective until there is a shadow. Snakes and danger can be in the shadows. We have kept to a large clearing in the forest. If it is remote enough, like a public forest, then it is not a problem. People walk in the forest.

I just use a torch to flash the dark spots.

In a pinch it is rude, but a torch can be used to blind someone...by accident, like headlights.

Some places are next to city lights. The beach is like that. One must monitor ones partner for glow and the activity on the beach. It is dark and people may look like flesh colored ghosts with no distinguishing features. A flashlight from someone else can just expose and blind vision.

So, it can be used in a river walk. One sees the light, but is blind to the person behind it,  even if it is pointing off to the side of the his eyes. I used this effectively with a swimsuit of paint on a bike with bike headlight once. I found it too much trouble, but it worked. I had to be sure that no one came up behind me. It wasn't a liberated sense. It was more a sneaking rodent sense.

Someone roaming around with a flashlight at night, is some one roaming around minding their own business to me. In the distance, harmless.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 06, 2020, 09:02:58 PM
Well, that remind me of a slightly embarrassing story.

I had gone to the Outer Banks with my wife's parents to help close up the family cottage for the winter. This was probably twenty years ago and both of my wife's parents have since died and the cottage has been sold. This was all in Kill Devil Hills, just about parallel with the Wright Brother's Monument, for those of you who know the area (and about three blocks north of the Dairy Queen).

One of the things I've always liked to do there was to walk the beach--nude. Even though it's a fairly busy place, this was after the season, probably October. Even so, that's still something one can only do when it's dark and that's what I did. It was usually something I did early in the morning before first light. But that time, it as in the evening after dark. Well, what I did was to stash the clothes I was wearing, shorts and t-shirt, in a convenient sand dune and take off down the beach, trotting along. I went as far as I felt like going, turned around and started back. When I was about half-way back to where I had left my clothes, someone came out onto the beach. That would have been nothing, since it was dark and it's much darker on the beach even with all the street lights on because of the high (artificial) sand dunes, except directly in front of a few beach front motels. But they were shining a light back and forth, like they were looking for something, or more likely, to avoid stepping on something.

I panicked.

After some quick thinking, I ran to one of the gazebos that a few beach front cottages had back then and sat there and waited until the people passed by. Then I was about to go on back and retrieve my clothes, which were still there.

I was younger then and did things like that.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 07, 2020, 01:28:54 AM
I carry a small LED flashlight (torch) in my emergency kit.  It's about as big as my thumb.   It hardly ever gets used.  Its there in case I'm caught out after dark on a dark trail with rocks, steps, etc.   I really only recall using it once.  I took a circular path and it took longer than I expected.  The mini torch lit my way home. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: rrfalcon on March 07, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
Nowadays, of course, many LED flashlights are available that are far brighter than the incandescent lights of old. There are also headband lights available that give a choice of white or red light. The red light will do much less damage to your night vision.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 08, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
Actually one of the nice features of a modern LED headlamp is that it comes with a control that lets you adjust the brightness, all the way down to "pretty dim". A lot of the time, I'm happy to use my headlamp at low output, to give my eyes a little bit of challenge.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 08, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
I always, always, end up blinding DF when she speaks to me with a flashlight on my forehead.
Jbee ;D
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 09, 2020, 12:38:52 AM
I always, always, end up blinding DF when she speaks to me with a flashlight on my forehead.  Jbee ;D

I hadn't thought of that, but having a conversation at night while wearing headlights would make people night blind.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 12, 2020, 09:02:52 PM
It is much more difficult to turn off a headlamp. A small light in the palm can be turned off quickly. It can hide a body when approached. A lamp shouldn't be used continuously if you are attempting to be covert, or wanting to minimize the attention being drawn to yourself.

A dependable light is necessary. Camping, it can mean life or death, or injury. It freaks out wild animals if you've got dangerous ones around. But, all that is needed is a flash here and there, especially under a fuller moon's light.

If what is desired is a closer to one's nature experience, then awareness is key. Moving in the night, in darkness, can be a profound natural experience, Unexercised senses are brought into awareness. Inner senses and fears are heightened in the darkness and its unfamiliarity. A flashlight, will take away from that. A flashlight is convenient, but not of our nature. It is a good to have around, when unsure,, but isolates us when used too much. Too much is relative.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 13, 2020, 03:18:17 AM
One environment I've often been in is acting as caretaker at a shelter on the Appalachian Trail, a place that's basically a 2-story house rather than just a semi-open hut, though there's no running water or electricity. If I need to do a bathroom trip in the night and have to go out through the bunkroom, I'll hold my headlamp in my hand, turn it down to a low level and let chinks of light come out through my fingers. That way I can get a very narrow beam that's not too bright (like me, ha ha) and not shine a lamp all around the room. (But I still put at least a skirt on when I go out. One doesn't want to risk offending the guests.)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 13, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
Backpackers so frail and sensitive a bunch and one is certain to report such a hardship as improper behavior. I'm sure that there is also risk of one thinking that a nude male is getting his kicks in the middle of the night, by using bathroom as an excuse...almost rape I suppose.

Don't want them to give them something to talk about, that might get out of hand and jeopardize your position? Do you wear a skirt at other times?

 :D or :( or >:(

John P., DF may appreciate me using the finger beam thing, when I get a call in the middle of the night. I'll experiment, that strategy should come in handy. The products out there are high-beam, which I like, but adjustment is difficult.

I tend to find the thing stuck between my teeth as I take care of chores, especially naked/no pockets at night on latrine duty. The lighter weight keeps my teeth and lips from wearing out too soon. The headlamps are good for reading, but when I'm not backpacking, I have a small solar powered lantern with LED to hang behind me. The lantern tends to make everything outside of the immediate illuminated realm invisible, but it is a friendly light. For secret naturism not so good. It would illuminate nude me.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 13, 2020, 08:59:49 AM
Mountain Bikes:
From The Secret Naturist Handbook's "Gear" section:


What better way to explore countryside trails and urban cycle routes than by mountain bike. Imagine the thrill of travelling totally naked for miles through leafy forest trails, along ancient drove roads and by night, stealthily cycling through dark and deserted city streets. An experience never forgotten.

As far as equipment is concerned any standard mountain bike will do for secret naturist use, if used with respect. But do remember you get what you pay for. A cheap bike at £100 will not last very long if abused off road. However, spend £800 and you get a bike that will last a lifetime and will not let you down even under the toughest of conditions. Reliability comes at a price but when you are naked and miles from base, it might just be worth it.

Most bikes do not need much in the way of alteration for secret naturist use and can be used straight off the shelf. However, with quite a few years of nude cycling under my belt, both on and off road, there are a few hints & tips that can make all the difference.

Clip-less pedals or pedal fitted with toe-straps can be difficult to get out of in a hurry, even for the experienced. For safety and a quick response, clip-less pedals should be replaced with flat pedals and toe-straps should be removed.

Reliability is very important. Should you bike fail at an inappropriate time the consequences could be sever and a well maintained bike should not let you down. All parts of the bike should be working perfectly. Pay attention to gears, chain, brakes, tyres and tyre pressures. Good lighting is also essential under most conditions and I favour two lights at the front and a flashing LED at the rear.

One of by best ideas was to fit two LoweAlpine bottle pouches to the handle bars. These proved ideal for carrying shorts and t-shirt for both urban and rural cycling. A second set of clothing was carried in a small under-seat bag.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 18, 2020, 10:50:43 PM
One more thing that I dislike about headlamps is that they attract bugs to my face.

I love to mountain bike. I'd like to egt abck to it, but nude, it is risky. What to do when you come across someone going so fast, but to keep going fast. If it is the wrong person, then problems. So, that in itself limits the range and venue for nude riding. If I had no reason to fear being caught nude, I would do it there.

I may get me a bike again. Gotta see where I end up.
Jbee-
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 18, 2020, 10:53:57 PM
Navigation: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

When exploring the countryside naked, as we secret naturists tend to do, the ability to find your way about is quite important, especially when you might choose to dispense with carrying clothing with you. The obvious way to navigate is to carry a map and compass, or even a GPS unit. But if you are trying to travel lightly, carrying a map can be real awkward, particularly if you only have a bumbag.

Usually, my own method of navigation on secret naturist outings is actually not to carry a map or compass at all. On the bulk of my outings I will get to know the area thoroughly beforehand, as part of the planning phase, and usually don't need a map or whatever to find my way around.

However, there are occasions when navigation aids are desirable and to keep to lightweight principles I carry the minimum I can get away with. My usual compass is replaced with a small button compass and the main map is replaced with a photocopy of the area required. This allows me to fit the "map" easily inside the bumbag and the button compass takes up no space at all. With a photocopy of the map, it does not matter if it gets lost, wet or damaged.

I've found that this type of navigation, using a basic compass and small piece of map can actually be great fun. If you hide all you clothing, perhaps even footwear as well, you can us the basic equipment you have to complete your outing. Try it, it actually feels quite daring and exciting.

If looking for a button compass, you can get them in the form of a key fob, often with a thermometer and wind chill chart attached as well. I keep mine attached to the outside of the bumbag, ready for use at all times. There's actually a whole range of these products. You get the basic compass but with a variety of other features such as LED torches, whistles and thermometers, all useful for the secret naturist.


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 18, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
I have yet to use my GPS except for experimenting. Mountains and desert , ten miles or less, it is usually not necessary. Rugged areas are generally, a limiting trail, or a walled canyon and hard to get lost.

I tend to feel that it may be easy for me to get turned around and lost in the forested White Mountains. That is when I will use it faithfully. Things look too similar and trails and roads are winding. Just taking off through a forest, I can loose the trail very quickly. Using memory to such an extent can get confusing, it is fallible and takes away from the experience of being in the moment.

Getting lost can be a whole lot more serious than just being caught with your pants down, I figure.

Yesterday, I was out in a new area for miles with often similar terrain. I was lining up two mountain peaks in different directions for guidance and making a collection of landmarks in my head, which were flakey. There are lots of tricks, but they use up lots of mental energy. When I go back there, I'll probably use GPS as a backup. I still like to have a more natural woodsman kind of experience, hone the skills, until it gets in the way, or I feel an uncomfortable "oops" in my stomach when I feel unsure.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 19, 2020, 12:40:01 AM
I really enjoy GPS, but as any authority will tell you, it's a bad idea to use one as your only means of navigation. A map and compass will never run out of battery power! But if you mark the location of your car or campsite as a waypoint, you can go out and get thoroughly lost, then get pointed reliably back again. Or record your path and review it when you get home, or mark small items and reliably find them again. I just think it's endlessly fascinating.

I gave up on purpose-made GPS units years ago, though. Now I use an Android phone with Osmand, an app that lets me load maps for anywhere in the world, with all the data known to OpenStreetMap. (There are other apps that people will claim are the best, and I won't argue about it. What I like about Osmand is that it shows open country adequately, and also gives driving directions when I'm in the car.) When I'm serious about a trip, I leave my everyday phone at home and take a waterproof one, with a bigger screen and larger battery, but running the same software.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 19, 2020, 12:12:39 PM
I find maps fascinating and always take one along when I'm in the cool, shady woods far from home. But I don't have any of those other things. No cell phone and I rarely even wear a watch. I also take, when I remember to, a second map of an alternate destination in the not too unlikely event my primary destination is closed or something. This is for year-round, not just for the good nude hiking season.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 19, 2020, 05:28:17 PM
A long time ago when I was a Boy Scout, the Scoutmaster taught us to turn around frequently and observe the landscape from the other direction.   Landmarks often look quite different going than when coming back.  Observe and remember what it looks like from the other direction gives you something to remember finding your way home.  All my life I have stopped and look back every few hundred yards.  Never gotten lost in the woods.

The one time my GPS really saved me was one night in Huntington, West Virginia, USA.   My son and I left our hotel with a couple of friends and went to a roadhouse for dinner.  We came out after dinner and a few beers to find a dark and rainy night in a strange town.  I did find the road back to the hotel, but turned the wrong direction.  After going a few miles in the wrong direction and not finding the hotel I was thoroughly lost in the dark in a strange city.  Then I thought of checking my GPS.  I had been smart enough to set a way point in the GPS at the hotel before going out.  That was in the days before ubiquitous cellphone navigation aids.  That solved the problem and we drove straight back to the hotel.

The new cellphone navigation isn't foolproof either.  Last summer my wife and I were in Kalispell, Montana, USA.   Again after dinner with some friends my wife and I headed back to our hotel.  She was using her cellphone to be navigator while I drove.  She gets confused about the cell phone's map which puts forward at the top of the screen, rather than north.  She had me on the right road, Highway 93, but going rapidly in the wrong direction out of town toward Whitefish.  I got about a mile, recognized the area, and turned around in a parking lot, having to ignore her arguments.  I also ignored her cellphone's navigation advice (Google Maps) to turn off and wander through a maze of local residential streets.  I had followed that route the day before.   I followed Highway 93 to the middle of town and turned left at a big green sign saying "Highway 2."  Our hotel was on highway 2.   
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 19, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
Speaking of maps. I frequently carry a topo map of the area where I'm hiking, or at least study the topo map before I go.   

 I have an older USGS topo map of Los Alamos, NM which does not show the town at all.   The map was printed back in the days when Los Alamos was a secret city that didn't show up on any maps.  Roads shown on the map just end with no explanation when they get near Los Alamos.   I was living in Los Alamos when I found the old map at a yard sale.  Its interesting living in a place that doesn't show up on your map. 

Newer USGS maps show the town but not very much of the National Laboratory which is still "classified" information.   
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 19, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Way off the subject but I live in a place where interstate highways and the beltway (originally called the circumferential highway) cut old roads and streets in two, resulting in occasional confusion finding an address and a lot of dead end streets. And they keep widening all of them. Yet a few local streets are still paved with cobblestones from the colonial period, just to keep down the traffic. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 20, 2020, 12:26:54 AM
I lived in Albuquerque for some years.  They liked to put speed bumps on residential streets to keep speed down.  I hated that.   Cobblestones would have been better.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on March 20, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
we get speed cushions....sort of like speed humps but square and supposedly narrow enough for an ambulances wheels to go either side but still catch narrower cars....white van man loves them, catch en right and you dont notice them .
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 20, 2020, 03:39:08 PM
I moved house recently, and one thing I had to look at and decide whether to keep or not was my collection of topo maps. In the past there was a map store around here, called "The Map Shack", and if I was intending to go on a trip, I'd often go there and pick up the local map. They had them in stock for all of New England. Of course, a good many of those trips were to places where I hoped to hike nude, or find a swimmin' hole! I'd paid good money for the maps, but I hadn't looked at any of them in years, since GPS maps became so easy to obtain. In the end I decided to keep the maps mostly for nostalgia's sake. (You Brits, these are the American equivalent of Ordnance Survey maps.)

Here's the collection, arranged so Winchester, New Hampshire, is on the top:
(https://i.imgur.com/0ipPbRBt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0ipPbRB.jpg)

Here's the coverage of Pisgah Reservoir on that map, a place I've hiked and paddled nude:
(https://i.imgur.com/ENVMoPat.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ENVMoPa.jpg)

The same as seen on the website of Caltopo.com, my favorite online map service:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pxn8K12t.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Pxn8K12.jpg)

And as shown on my phone screen. I do have to say, it's an inferior image, especially the countour lines. But I've got a dozen different states there, and it won't get soggy in the rain or flap around in the wind, and of course it shows me exactly where I am. In my opinion, it's the way to go these days.
(https://i.imgur.com/FM0Ozdzt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FM0Ozdz.jpg)
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 21, 2020, 12:17:51 AM
I like the bigger picture of a map. I even pasted together a group of topo maps once to take in the whole of the Penaleno Mountains.
The mountains make for spotty reception sometimes.

I like to plan distance.

If there is, say a mountain in the distance, a good landmark, or point of interest, I don't want to miss it because it is off of the edge of the screen. My phone also weighs more. I prefer maps and some GPS to augment.

Planning is important to me. If i print a map off of the internet, I can choose the best size to my needs and blow it up, or shrink it down accordingly. This reduces weight and bulk.

I often can't see a screen because of sunlight glare.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jmf on March 21, 2020, 09:14:41 AM
My map collection also gets dusty on a bookshelf at home. For years I've been switching to maps and gps on my smartphone. With a subscription of only fifteen euros a year, I can download maps of all the places I want to go for a walk in France. In different scales from a view of the whole country up to the 25 000th as the hiking maps and even more 3 125th and the photo coverage up to the 1 500th. By playing with these different scales and with its exact position on them it becomes difficult to really get lost.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 21, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
The coverage is cherry picked. Many remote areas, especially remote areas with canyon walls are not covered. Even my living room sucks. If I'm struck by a rattler, or sprain, or break something, scurrying up a mountain to get reception may not be a reasonable option. It is okay, if I have a partner with me for that emergency. Getting the GPS points for medivac retrieval makes a GPS make sense.

Are you recording the maps on the apt and then using it with satellite GPS? Some GPS have a honing devise to track people by satellite last time I went shopping for one (several years ago).

Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 22, 2020, 04:55:39 AM
JBG, I'm really not sure what you mean in your most recent message. Do you mean some areas don't get GPS coverage, or some areas aren't mapped at all? It's true that GPS doesn't work reliably indoors, which isn't surprising considering that it's all based on a hand-held unit receiving signals from satellites. It's amazing stuff.

I think what you mean by "recording the maps on the apt" is that you download maps off the internet, and store them on your phone. That is right, although there are some apps that get the maps as you need them using a cell phone connection, which costs money and isn't usable in remote areas. That's not much use for hiking.

I'm not sure what you mean by "tracking people by satellite", but perhaps you're talking about an emergency beacon, which does send a signal to a satellite receiver, and I was ready to say it doesn't track the user all the time, only when you activate it. But then I looked it up, and found this very informative page:
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/personal-locator-beacons.html

There it says (in response to a reader's question) "If you are using an inReach, without the device being activated or the tracking feature turned on, your family members will have no way to obtain your most recent position. If you are concerned about a loss of consciousness, we advise using a plan with the tracking feature and keeping the device turned on constantly while you are adventuring." So evidently there are devices which can track you all the time. But they're services you have to subscribe to, and I bet the cost is significant.

Edited to say I couldn't resist looking up a review of that inReach unit. The device itself costs a few hundred dollars, and then you have to pay a subscription fee for connecting it, which you can do for a month at a time, or for an entire year. The total description of things it can do is pretty complex. For people with cash to spend, it probably is a tempting thing to get.
https://hikingguy.com/hiking-gear/in-depth-garmin-inreach-explorer-review/
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 22, 2020, 10:36:15 AM
And to think there are some of us, like me, who don't even have a cell phone like grade school kids have these days.

While I can see the utility of such devices, I also think they might tend to make people less careful about their own safety and less self-reliant. If someone gets in trouble in the backwoods, they can just call for help. I'm not sure it would matter if you had a really serious mishap or not. Either way, someone will have to go to a lot of trouble to help you. Thinking about the possibility of serious injury when hiking or camping made me change the composition of my 1st aid kit, at least a little. Most of what I used to carry (and never had the occasion to use) was useless for a serious injury, like a bad fall, and unnecessary for what it was good for. I don't carry an axe and never seem to use a knife, so I worry most about falling. If I had a stroke or heart attack, I don't think I'd be able to contact anyone anyhow and I don't want anyone keeping track of me. I've long since quit going places where I need a permit or have to pay a fee.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 22, 2020, 03:26:26 PM
Some GPS have a honing devise to track people by satellite last time I went shopping for one (several years ago).
Jbee

The main reason cell phones have built in GPS is so that Apple and Google can track your location 24/7.  They use the information to find out what stores you shop, and feed you advertising that is configured for your shopping preferences.  They also track your on-line shopping and interests for the same reasons. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 23, 2020, 07:38:31 PM
John P., you got the translation correct. Thank-you for the info. I heard that those apts are pretty cheap that download the maps.

Bob, I get that creepy sense when I think about carrying my cell phone. The government is accumulating the same info, which is not only creepy, but threatening to me. I could see some bureaucratic tribunal gathering info from way back to build a case in a time of hysteria. The privacy issue is huge. We're supposed to be safe in all of our papers and correspondence by Constitution going back to the revolution, because of having soldiers busting into houses and go through "evidence."

Imagine coming out of the mountains and having someone waiting with questions about "a flasher", who was seen where you were. Or waiting at home.

It has gone way too far, when private entities participate in these practices. I don't call it "enhanced". I call it pigeonholed, channeled and nobody's bizness but ma own. The people who are instigating this spying need to be hung from telephone poles like fascist.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 23, 2020, 08:40:20 PM
The Department of Justice wants to suspend the constitution, you may have heard, and to be allowed to jail people indefinitely for no reason (except their own). Apparently there are a lot of people who are in favor of something like that, assuming that it wouldn't affect them.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 23, 2020, 09:35:47 PM
"Department of Justice" sounds like some Orwellian double talk in that sentence.

I saw fear run into extremes and support for ending legal protections, and manipulate the jump into stupid useless wars after 911. Now, I'm seeing the same reactions to fear on my grocery and gun shelves. All it takes is a catalyst for these fear based hysterical ignorant children to look to a leader, or demigod, and the purges begin. Fear makes people stupid, control of information creates fear and controls those in fear.

NSA and those stealing the internet have already laid out the groundwork for a high tech oppression. The CIA has been honing the manipulations into oligarchic control and ownership in countries all over South America for decades. The two together...well, back on track, need to make sure everybody has a cell phone to collect a history of evidence and to let us be used to everything we do being known and recorded.

The "Secret Naturist" in the woods eating strawberries with a girlfiend as the helicopters come over to arrest us, may may be all that is left of our body rights someday

All we need to fear is fear itself.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 23, 2020, 09:42:02 PM
Sundry Items: From "The Secret Naturist Handbook."

Over the years I've gathered and used a number of items of equipment for a variety of purposes but do not generally carry them around all the time. The following all have a place in my secret naturist kit and have been used at one time or another.

1. Swiss army knife - used for footpath maintenance i.e. trimming branches, also survival practice, removing splinters, fighting off alien big cats, and so on.

2. Stuff sacks - various sizes, all dark colours, mostly used for protecting clothing when hidden for later collection. Note that they are rarely totally waterproof but will provide some protection. Use poly bags for total protection.

3. Water bottle - for carrying water when none available on location. Sigg, 600ml capacity. Watch the colour you choose as you might be hiding it along with your clothing. Bright yellow might not be a good idea!

4. Key fob thermometer - used to find out temperature and to calculate windchill (using chart on rear). Also fun to use for checking the temperature in different places e.g. in sunshine and shade, at ground level and above, inside clothing and outside and so on.

5. Keys, house & car - Not really a sundry item but important none the less. Keep them secure in the bottom of your bag, in a zipped pocket or attached to a key clip. All my bumbags have both zipped pockets and clips, and are used at all times to secure keys. Keep car keys with electronic gadgets inside dry inside a poly bag.

6. Button compass - various types, one built into key fob thermometer, the other used as a zip puller, otherwise similar in design. Used for very basic navigation, i.e. general direction only and not as good as a proper Silva compass. For general informational and fun use only.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 23, 2020, 10:50:53 PM
Oh, I don't think fear makes people stupid. They're already that way. But fear and ignorance makes them do crazy things.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 24, 2020, 04:48:07 AM
JBG said "I heard that those apps are pretty cheap that download the maps." I mentioned the Osmand app for Android or iOS, and with that program, each map that you load on the phone covers a single U.S. state, and you get up to 7 of them for free (Texas and Alaska may be broken up into regions). European countries are usually several regions each. Or you can get the paid version of the program for $6.49, and then you can have all the maps your phone can hold, and the same fee covers you on multiple devices. You also have to pay a few dollars extra (only once) to get the feature that shows contour lines. I'm saying all this not to sell the product, but to point out that these things can do a lot, and don't cost much!

Conspiracy theories aren't nearly as much fun. Let's not go there.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on March 24, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
in my part of uk we have pretty universal cell phone coverage,   so it makes sense to carry one whilst alone in the "wilds".    if i get paranoid about tracking i can allways turn it off and take the battery out  until i want to use it.
in the media at the moment is the idea of tracking cellphones to see if people are ignoring the 2m separation guidlines when out and about.... doesnt take account of leaving the thing at home , only one of a couple carrying one, or in my daughters case carrying her phone and the work one .

big brother is confusable if you try hard enough.... tie a couple to the cat/dog and wait for the helicopter to arrive?......a lot of it is trying to frighten the masses into submission.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 24, 2020, 01:11:45 PM
Can big brother be any worse than a bad next-door neighbor? Much depends on who you are and your point of view.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 24, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
Bad next door neighbor doesn't throw you in prison. You may be probation for punching him in the nose. :D

Can you imaging a next door neighbor following you around everywhere and taking notes? Nobody would put up with that, but BB can, today.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 24, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
You don't know what a bad neighbor is.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 24, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
One that makes it so that you can't make a move without the neighbor getting into your business, following you around and...How's about Dennis the Menace?

I probably don't know what you meant
Can big brother be any worse than a bad next-door neighbor? Much depends on who you are and your point of view.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 24, 2020, 11:50:44 PM
I probably wouldn't carry any of that, but the water and stuff sack.

I like my insulated bags that hold a liter each. They fit into my backpack and day back, with balance. They sling over my shoulder with my camera and I can switch shoulders according to the sun, not getting dangerous tanlines, when I'm without a pack. They hold my sarong on my shoulder and out of the way in comfort. I can wrap the sarong around my shoulders t protect against too much sun and they, or it can hold it in places even with strong winds, or grabby brush.

Haven't used one of those water bag types that fit into a backpack with a tube. A canteen or leather bodega bag just isn't enough water.

My backpack is ultralight at one pound and 3/4 holding 50 liters, which is plenty big. It has mesh, but not stiff frame. My daypack was a gift. It is okay, because I can also backpack with it when I rest it on a bedroll attached to a thick cushioned  pack belt.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on March 25, 2020, 12:04:43 AM
No one knows what a bad neighbor is until they have one. And no one knows what a good neighbor is until they need one.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 26, 2020, 06:19:53 PM
I think that I'll get that needle pointed into a pillow.

Who said that, "Poor Richard"?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 28, 2020, 08:09:41 PM
Supplies: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

As you begin to undertake more extensive secret naturist outings, travelling increasingly further from base each time and particularly when following , to travel naked and barefoot with minimal or no clothing or other items of equipment, obtaining supplies such as food and water can become a problem.

On day-long secret naturist outings when you are travelling naked for many miles, the main requirement is for water. Luckily here in the Scotland, water is generally abundant in most upland areas and freshwater springs or small streams are widespread. Some will say you should never drink from unknown water sources but in 30 years of doing this I've never had any problems. You just need to be sensible where you drink from.

On outings where I know finding safe water will be a problem, particularly in lowland areas, along the coast and during the drier summer months, I always carry some water with me. This is achieved by using one or occasionally two 0.60 litre Sigg water bottles which fit into the bottle pockets of my Peak Runner bumbag. More often than not I will only carry one bottle, relying on natural sources for top-ups when required. I also drink plenty before setting out and also afterwards. One general rule to follow, is to avoid water running below habitation as it may have been contaminated by waste. Look for sources above habitation which should be safer to drink.

The amount of food you carry will depend on the duration of your outing and basically comes down to calories. Moderate hill walking requires between 500 to 750 calories per hour, less for secret naturists who are travelling light. However, before you start working out your requirements consider that food is heavy to carry and bulky, and the amount required for even a 4 hour outing can be considerable. From experience I have found you do not really need all this. If you eat well before heading out, you should be fine for the duration. Even for day-long outings, a few bars of chocolate or cereal bars as sufficient.

If you are wanting to follow strict ultra-lightweight principles and do not want to carry anything, not even food and water, you can prepare supply caches of these items along your planned route prior to your outing.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on March 28, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
I just commented above about what I carry my water in. I also, if there is a water source available, carry a Sawyer squeeze filter. It can also be handy in foreign countries. It weighs nearly nothing. The tube and a bag weigh little and take up little room in my bag. I take an extra bag, just in case, but I've had the one that gets used for maybe three years, no problem.

https://sawyer.com/products/mini-filter/

It can get a bit slow and tedious and the flow suggest the flow of pee, which can make legs crossed subconscious reactions to hear. ;D
I also have another by Katadyn which filters quicker volumes, when car camping.

https://www.katadyn.com/us/us

Hmm, I just discovered that Katadyn is a Swiss company. All this time I thought it was named after that significant spot on the Appalachian Trail.

DF is big on packing up food. There are usually a couple of sandwiches. Sometimes, I get a foot long veggie sub from Subway with  senior discount. It makes a lunch and dinner and then I'll spend the night and eat something else, like tortillas. I dehydrate beans and flavorful hummus to wrap up in them. It generally gets me through and I don't have to take a stove and fuel with me. We hang the stuff in plastic bags from the pack and the sun heats it. Used to take Cliff-bars.
 
Snacks include dehydrated carrot tahini sesame wafers that I make from left over carrot pulp. Thye re-hydrate and are very filling. I try to burn more than I eat. We eat what is on sale, organic grapes, fruits that don't bruise so easily, etc. Crackers work if they are packed not to break.

It would be a hassle to stash food along the way and worries about critters taking it. I leave food in the car. We will backpack in set up a remote base and walk with as little as possible. For an afternoon, water and camera are enough for me. The more bare the better.

I failed to mention before, I may take TP and a digging tool from an ultra light tent stake that doubles as a weapon. Since it has now been established that TP is a life or death commodity in the grocery stores during a pandemic. ;)
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on March 29, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
A few years ago I bought one of those water backpacks that have a plastic bladder covered with fabric on back pack straps.  It was advertised to cool your back while carrying your water.  It had a plastic tube you could suck water when thirsty.   Problem was the water was warm and tasted like plastic.  I used it a couple of times but didn't like it.

Now I generally reuse plastic soda or commercial bottled water containers. That kind of plastic doesn't flavor the water, and they would get thrown away unless reused. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on March 29, 2020, 06:03:28 PM
Sort of quoting myself from another board--

As they say in Arizona, if you go for a long walk without taking any food with you, when you get home, a manzanita.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on March 30, 2020, 07:56:11 PM
i also buy bottled water in the supermarket , then refil til the plastic starts to look manky
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 02, 2020, 09:52:56 PM
Umbrellas: From The Secret Naturist Society

There was a time, not so long ago when I would never have dreamed of using an umbrella. It was not the kind of thing I had ever considered using. However, since becoming a secret naturist, the umbrella has established itself as a permanent part of my kit. They have many uses and a few are described here. But first a few words of warning.

You really do get what you pay for when you purchase an umbrella. Cheap one's like those available from Woolworth's and the like are not up to the task. The slightest breeze and they collapse. Catch them on a branch and they are finished. Cheap brollies are great for fine weather, i.e. vertical rain, open terrain and no wind but useless when the going gets tough. So, what can the secret naturist use for the humble umbrella for?

The reason I actually purchased one in the first place was to allow me to stay warm and dry while walking naked in the rain. It keeps most of the upper body dry, although the legs do get wet. This technique works fine, even in driving rain but your brolly needs to be up to the task and it's really only suitable during the warmer months.

In really hot weather, the umbrella makes an excellent sunshade, protecting your delicate skin from burning. The smaller sizes are okay but you really need a golfing brolly to keep totally covered. When stopping on exposed ground or walking in upland areas, the brolly can be erected as a temporary windbreak and shelter during lunch stops. They can also be used for instant cover and concealment. I have used this to effect when bird watching. By erecting your brolly between you and the wildlife, or people, you have instance privacy.

As mentioned earlier, make sure you buy a good quality umbrella, one that will withstand the wind and not fall apart at the slightest mishap. However, I cannot recommend anything of quality as I've been unable to find anything! So, if anyone out there can recommend a good quality umbrella for secret naturist use, please get in touch. At present I use a cheap one bought from Woolworth's, for about £2.00. It folds down to about 200mm long and fits inside the Mesa Runner bumbag and also fits well into the mesh pocket of the Peak Runner. But I would like to buy a decent one.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 02, 2020, 11:47:54 PM
What? In Arizona?! You have no idea how hard it is to find an umbrella in this town. Then, monsoon hits and Walgreens has them for sail at the front door. You can't remember where you put it the last time that it rained and you needed one in Arizona. It is like all of those cars with windshiel wiper scratches on theor car windows. The wipers rot, you don't notice and then it rains months later. ;D

DF an I took a walk in the rain nude in the Rincon Mountains a few years back, and I have been to Havarock a couple of times under one. It is wonderful to walk nude in the rain with the cold raindrops dancing around, but not on a body. The air is fresh and clean and the dust stays down and so it goes all over my body.

Seven best hiking umbrellas for 2020. Here's the quality, Lookeee. Good for scaring wildlife. Makes you look big and unlike any animal that a bear has ever seen. There's a lizard that uses the same strategy.

https://www.greenbelly.co/pages/best-hiking-umbrellas

DF escapes the sun: https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2015/09/07/into-the-blue-river-valley-2-a-trip-report/

Using umbrellas in the rain: https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/12/16/happy-valley-a-trip-report/

Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on April 03, 2020, 01:11:28 AM
Umbrellas are supposedly a little radical for serious backpackers and hikers. Occasionally I'll use one with a poncho. I think it's better than a hood for keeping your head dry. But it ties up one of your hands. I've never been out in a rain that was warm enough to be naked.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on April 03, 2020, 04:28:13 AM
Umbrellas are pretty popular with European hikers. Here we are on the Naked European Walking Tour in 2014 (we must have been near buildings or something) and just look at them. Notice how Roland has attached his to one strap of his pack, solving the "ties up one of your hands" issue.
(https://i.imgur.com/zeTwYxht.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zeTwYxh.jpg)

And what are you going to do when you're at the swimmin' hole on the Ompompanoosuc River in Thetford VT, and a sudden thunderstorm hits you, and you didn't expect to be away from the car long, so you haven't got rain gear with you, and the scene is like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/8aaApQTt.jpgg) (https://i.imgur.com/8aaApQT.jpg)

You head off up the trail and enjoy it!
(https://i.imgur.com/ADUaNcmt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ADUaNcm.jpg)




Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2020, 08:04:07 PM
Habitat Section:

Overview: From The Secret Naturist Handbook[/b]

Here in the British Isles, we are blessed with an incredible variety of habitats that are suitable for the secret naturist. From the desolate exposure of the Scottish Highlands to the deserted beaches of the Western Isles, there are endless habitats were the secret naturist might practice their art. However, not all habitats are the same and each will present different problems and benefits to the secret naturist. This section looks at a few of the most common types of habitat easily accessible throughout the country.

One important point that should be noted is that not every patch of woodland, for example, will be the same throughout the country. A patch of remote forestry in the far north of Scotland might have the same trees as a similar forest in the Lake District but the patterns of visitor usage will be completely difference. While the former might present opportunities in abundance for the secret naturist, the latter would be out of the question during a busy Bank Holiday weekend.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2020, 08:10:19 PM
Well, "Gear section" is exhausted and we have come to a new section about habitat. It list individually, places like caves, beaches, quarries, golf courses, etc. I place one here every few days. We can discuss, anecdote, embrace, or dismiss any of them as the roll along. We should probably not discuss it generally, until maybe the end so as to end up redundant from the git go.

Here is the first on the list.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
Ancient Places: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

There is no denying the fact that I just love being naked at ancient sites and will make deliberate steps to seek out these types of location. Ruined castles, abbeys and churches, old overgrown graveyards, Iron Age hill forts, ancient earthworks, Roman roads and forts, underground chambers, burial mounds, standing stones and stones circles. Just about any location that has an atmosphere or even just looks old and decrepit.

My favourite type of ancient place at the moment is old ruined castles and I've managed to get naked at three so far. The first one is in the Scottish Borders, near Gordon. Greenknowe Tower actually only dates back 400 years or so but still has that look and feel of a truly ancient place. You can explore the barrel vaulted ground floor, the first floor hall and a small area at the top. There is also a narrow and twisty stone-build spiral stairway to climb. Just keep an eye on the road for people arriving.

Hailes Castle can be found near Haddington in East Lothian and certainly looks the part. It's not quite to easy to walk around naked here as there are houses no more than 50m away but it you arrive around dawn during the summer months you will have the place to yourself. There's a huge basement/cellar and various halls and rooms, all open to the sky. The river below is also tempting for a skinny dip.

There isn't much left of Fast Castle, on the coast of East Lothian, near Dunbar but this is more than made up for by the sheer majesty of the location. The castle sits perches on a ledge about halfway down the cliff face and has sheer drops on three sides. Access is via a narrow walkway. This is popular spot so plan to arrive very early and expect people to arrive around breakfast time, so don't hang around naked too long. There are no wardens in attendance at any of the above sites.

Many ancient sites are particularly good for secret nudity at night when the atmosphere of the place is heightened, especially under a full moon. Stone circles and standing stones seem to glow in moonlight and being naked there takes some beating.
From the secret naturist point of view, religious sites are no doubt very controversial and many will find nudity at such locations wholly unacceptable. Personally, I do not see any problem here as no harm is done other than that we cause ourselves by having over-active imagination when naked at such locations. It difficult not to think about bones, skulls and the like when walking naked and barefoot across the grass of a cemetery.

Practicing secret naturism at ancient sites is no more difficult than anywhere else, the usual rules apply. Just carry out your normal reccy and planning and use your common sense to see what site is suitable and what is not. I would suggest good practice at ancient sites is to try and not let people see you enter or leave them, they will sometimes wonder what you are up to. Carrying a camera and tripod is a good cover story.

One word of warning when visiting these ancient sites is to not let your imagination run away from you. These places can be quite spooky at night, under the full moon or when mist is blowing in the wind. Just stay calm and don't watch creepy episodes of the X-Files before venturing outside. You have been warned!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
The only thing ancient around here is the Indian ruins. They are all remote, or touristy and blocked off at night and regulated by volunteers during the day. The best remote ones are a hike. We like to project what it was like in ancient times, a participatory experiment in history is to dress more like the ancients around here, nude, to get a feel for it.

Everything is better nude, including exploring the ancient. We come across old foundations, but these are more pioneer oriented. The early settlements of the 1700's are all gone, except the churches and some of their complexes. There were just a few of those and they were destroyed a they grew and cities took shape. We both enjoy archeology, the books the mags, the websites.

Walking around in an old castle nude, with concerns that someone might happen by, is closer to the fear that people must have felt to have built such places. Parapets, and all sorts of hiding protections were built in to them, and so could be used to stealthily sneak around a castle nude.

There is much debris and critter habitat in those old places, that make them unsafe. I am often more concerned about those dangers than caught in nudity.

We about got caught in an old homestead one time. Ran, really out of breath ran, back to camp to get dressed when the cleanup crew suddenly showed up.

Yea, that seems fun.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 18, 2020, 01:05:23 AM
Beaches: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

When looking for locations to practice a spot of secret naturism, one of the most obvious places to visit are naturist beaches. With the association of mainstream naturism with beaches, this might seem like a good idea, however, I am personally not a favour of naturist beaches for secret naturist use mainly because you tend to get too many people there, either other naturists or people ogling at them. It just not very secret, is it?

But beaches and dune areas are not to be disregarded entirely for the secret naturist. As with most types of location if you visit at the right time of day, or night for that matter, you may find suitable opportunities for a spot of covert nudity. The main problem with beaches is their popularity and unless you can find a beach where access is generally difficult or a beach is in a remote location, it can often be difficult to achieve safe nudity.

Around my local Edinburgh patch there are a number of beaches located along the Lothian coast, many of which at first glance might seem suitable for nudity. However, on closer inspection finding a suitable opportunity for nudity is not easy, mainly due to the ease of access for visitors and the close proximity of towns, villages and caravan and camping sites. In fact, to date, I have only undertaken a single secret naturist outing to a beach, that at Aberlady Bay, and then only under the cover of darkness. On the good side, having recently moved near Edinburgh and with easier opportunities to actually get to these beaches, future secret naturist adventures might be more practical.

So, you want to plan a secret naturist visit to a beach, what should you be looking out for? Well, planning your outing at a beach is much like any other type of habitat. You need to ascertain when you are likely to be able to strip off safely, by safely, I refer to being naked and not being seen. If you are lucky and perhaps the beach is little used or remote, you may be able to strip naked just about anytime, although you will more than likely have to go there during secret naturist times such as early morning, late evening and at night.

On your initial visit, there are a number of things to need to look out for. For example, where will you access and exit the beach, where will you be likely to encounter people suddenly, what are your options should you be unlucky enough to have a hostile encounter and so on. The location and direction of footpaths, dwellings, car parks, potential escape routes and hiding places should all be noted. If planning to explore without clothing and footwear, you need to find suitable locations for hiding your clothing and also for leaving backup clothing. All the factors that would be considered for other habitats also apply to beaches and dunes.

Beaches and dunes are not without their hazards for the secret naturist. Care needs to be taken when walking barefoot as all manner of debris can lurk hidden in the sand. Incoming tides present a risk of being stranded at some locations and a check of the tide times before your visit can be useful.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 18, 2020, 01:16:53 AM
Small bundle tied to the wrist. Jump in the waves, put it on, or jump into the waves pull it off.

Beaches at night can be dangerous to feet, the waters in warm places have dangerous fish in the shallows at night. The moon phase and position plays a key role. It is hard to see and people have popped up surprising me. I can't hear above the waves.

Lakes are different, quiet, often private, but nice popular places to hang out at and so others around.

Both require a great deal of caution.

I of course always think about getting naked at any beach, it is just a natural and compelling pattern of thought. I like the tranquility, and sneaking around naked is antithesis to that. The deeper into the night and the quieter, the safer and more relaxed.

Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on April 18, 2020, 10:13:11 AM
in uk its often possible to find a rural  coastal beach, not overlooked by houses, usually a few minutes walk from a carpark,  that is generally only visited by anglers , passing ramblers and dog walkers  with the occasional twitcher (bird watcher),   generally a spot of nudity causes no problems .
weekends and school holidays they get busier and perhaps not so nude tolerant.

ame is true in parts of europe.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on April 20, 2020, 12:21:43 AM
With the current state of the law in the UK, I would have thought that it's not necessary to find a really isolated section of beach for naturism. I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea to strip off on a town beach, right in front of the prom where the ornamental clock is! But you might do it out near the end of the beach where the crowd thins out, or on some beach away from a town where there could be some visitors. Hopefully people wouldn't be offended as long as you weren't in their personal space--or have I got that wrong? I'd be interested to hear what British Naturism has to say about nudity on beaches.

You'll probably respond that this is easy to say when one doesn't live in the UK!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on April 20, 2020, 10:14:45 AM
As always there’s the law as written in statute, and there’s the law as in what society expects of each other. The famous British queue is nowhere enshrined in statute, but queue jumping is considered the worst social crime against one’s fellow citizens. By the same token, while public nudity is permissible it would still fail the social acceptability test in the more public places. The far end of a beach would probably be acceptable, as long as the police didn’t stop one from walking that far! It is unlikely anyone else there would notice or object or be concerned to display their ignorance of statute law - the virus has given most people something more to worry about.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on April 20, 2020, 10:16:02 AM
yes john p thats pretty much what i was saying,  its just the degree of isolation required that down to personal decision ,  or how quiet does it have to be to not get earache from the wife  :).   

for me its an evolution over time from secret naturist into free range,   wives tent to worry more about what other people think and hence are slower to evolve. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on April 20, 2020, 01:03:15 PM
Couldn't have put it better if I tried, ric!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 23, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Caves: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Ever on the lookout for a new secret naturist challenge, I came upon the idea of exploring an old railway tunnel near Neidpath Castle, just outside Peebles in the Scottish Borders. The tunnel had been closed for almost 50 years and runs for a mile or so along side the river Tweed. After some planning I was able to walk both ways along the full length of the tunnel while naked and what an experience it was! From this point on I started actively looking for other underground features, such as caves and mines, that I could explore in secret naturist fashion.

What makes exploring underground while naked such a thrilling experience is probably the thrill of being naked is such an unusual environment. The air is also usually cool and this highlights the fact that you are naked.

You can find all manner of underground locations suitable for the adventurous secret naturist. For example, I've explored a complex of three underground mines, an underground burial chamber dating back to the Bronze Age and the railway tunnel mentioned above. Of course, there are other such features as well including covered streams. These are streams that have been built over in urban areas. You might also seek out underground bunkers, old basements, caves and mines. I have even on occasion explored an underground quarry without even carrying clothing and that was possibly the ultimate secret naturist experience!

It goes without saying that safety is an issue here and some of the places I've been are no doubt highly dangerous, with potential rock falls and other underground hazards. To be honest I would not advise you to actually do anything on this page. However, personally, I think that this activity is no more dangerous that crossing the road, you just have to make sure nothing untoward happens.

When exploring underground the first thing you need to do is to carry out a full and complete reccy of the location, to determine if nudity is actually possible. You also need to determine what safety issues you might face. Is there a possibility of getting lost or trapped by floodwater? Ask yourself these and similar questions. And always leave a note with someone stating where you are going. Best not to mention you are going to be naked though!

When choosing an underground location for secret nudity, I limit my choices to locations where I am able to walk comfortably and where climbing equipment is not required. Anything beyond that is a big no-no! As far as equipment is concerned, the only items specific to this environment are a couple of torches and possibly a compass to note direction. Make sure you have fresh batteries and keep one torch as a backup just in case you drop one and it breaks.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 23, 2020, 07:06:07 PM
Most caves around here are pretty dangerous. Wild deep, slippery, or old decrepit mines. There are so many, that they can't all get covered and blocked off. The last time that I got into one, it was filled with sharp metal garbage and I believe a habitat for a bear. It would seem a better act for two people instead of alone.

Generally, I haven't enjoyed getting into holes in the ground. Nudity has not enhanced the experience, just dusty, dirty, bat guano and crawly folks.

I would enjoy a tour of a cave in the nude. Many are warm, a shelter. There is a fake cave at the Sonoran Desert Museum. Many years ago we got naked in it on a hot summer's day, when few visitors were around. sort of a fun dare with a girlfriend. These days, the place is crawling with people year round.

JMF sure has a good time with them.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on April 23, 2020, 11:22:54 PM
JBG, if you like the idea of touring a cave in the nude, plan on visiting New York State in September (from a news site, because I couldn't find it on the cave company's website):
https://hudsonvalleycountry.com/howe-caverns-naked-in-a-cave-announced/

Down the old gold mine in New Zealand!


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Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 24, 2020, 07:43:49 PM
Woohoo! That looks just right...quite a drive though. I'd have to set it up with some other activities. Isn't that when things start getting cold, but before the leave drop?

I'm srill up in the air considering Llama packing and Lake Powell.

So, I notice that ball of gold on the edge of the picture in New Zealand.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 30, 2020, 06:18:21 AM
Farmland: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Few people realise that most of our so-called countryside is actually farmland, land given over to the production of crops or the raising of livestock. When we visit the countryside we are more often than not actually crossing farmland. We may be following trails along field boundaries or crossing upland areas grazed by sheep, but still farmland nonetheless.

At first glance cultivated fields may not look suitable for secret naturism. However, while often very open and exposed to view, cover can often be provided for the nude rambler by the crop itself. For example, a mature crop of oil seed rape can reach chest high and will hide the lower part of the body. All that anyone would see from a distance is a bare chest. Walking (carefully) through crops can also be quite an interesting experience when naked.

Hedges are also common along field boundaries and can high provide a degree of cover and concealment. In fact, some hedges are so thick that even a field beside a busy main road may be suitable for nudity.

An area associated with fields are those small patches of woodland found at the junctions where field meet. These small areas of sometimes dense woodland can be great places to hole up during the day. With the woodland providing cover and the surrounding open fields offering good views to anyone approaching, you can often find peace and quiet for entire days. These places are also good for watching wildlife or for attempting secret naturist challenges.

One of the main problems with farmland is that they can be busy places throughout the day, usually by the farmers themselves. Farming hours can start very early, often around first light and continue well into the night, particularly during harvest season and during the lambing season. Take extra care at the times and have s good cover story ready.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 30, 2020, 06:44:04 AM
When i lived back east and in the Midwest, there were always little riparian areas, between fields, often in creeks, unsuitable for crops. often windbreaks, or barriers between roads and fields, places where bees and pollinators could survive. Much mischief could be done there. I hear that many of these areas disappeared with the production of bio fuels.

Here in Arizona, farms are big irrigated complexes. We get generally three crops a year.  Lots of cotton, lettuce, melons and also corn. Woods and creeks are special, nearly all are gone. The barriers between fields are generally berms elevated, seen and irrigation canals. The corn is redundant and precise sense the GMO stuff invaded. The irrigation areas are often bug infested, mosquitoes, etc. In the heat it is hellish. The places are loaded with pesticides and there is a risk of being sprayed, literally poisoned. It is a weird place to grow consumable food. Fortunately, the natural desert is abundant, rocky terrain and mountains are natural.

I suppose that much of the concerns of being seen in the countryside of those referred to islands, is passed with the new clarity of the law and free rambling trails. Do I have that correct?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on April 30, 2020, 10:36:51 AM
in uk we get a lot of public footpaths across farmland which generally run along field edges. weve aso got bridle ways which arnt open to through vehicular traffic.  in general farmland thats got livestock on it gets visited once a day to check the animals. arable crops and grassland for hay or silage only gets visited when necessary.   theres times when the farmland is pretty much deserted, what farmers there are about dont seem to worry what the public get up to provided they keep to the rights of way , respect other peoples property and dont leave litter.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on April 30, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
Ric wrote, "theres times when the farmland is pretty much deserted, what farmers there are about dont seem to worry what the public get up to provided they keep to the rights of way , respect other peoples property and dont leave litter."

That is often the case here, not fields so much, but the ranchers. They get people hunting, riding anywhere on quads and ATV's, tearing up things, partying getting injured, the cattle get scattered. If I'm just hiking, then it is generally no problem. There are some jerks who spend too much time in their own little world, there are reasonable folks. There are some, who just block access to public lands so that they have them to themselves; some make a kingdom out of public space and some are just renting our lands for grazing, but ignoring the tenants that conserve, as if it is their own to use up and destroy and don't want anyone to see it.

We got yelled at a couple of weeks ago, walking on private property in the San Pedro River, but he just wanted us to know that we were on private land (how you can own a piece of river, I don't get) and let it go, permission. We were nude, taking a picture at the time, when he surprised us. We wrapped up. He was in the picture before we even were aware of him. Just not a place to expect anyone. All cool,he said friendly, "You are golden, cowboy. Go ahead."
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 01, 2020, 04:50:52 AM
Around here almost all of the land is private property, and almost all is surrounded by miles of barbed wire fences with signs saying "No hunting or trespassing" on the fence every 100 feet or so.  Even much public land, like the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge is surrounded by barbed wire with signs telling us that its federal government land, and NO Trespassing.  There is a little public access land but most of that is open range cattle grazing with money paid to the state.  Open range cattle can be dangerous if encountered alone on foot. 

On my own land, 20 acres, I took down the barbed wire and signs that previous owners had installed.  I don't mind walkers, but I don't like motor vehicles tearing up the vegetation. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on May 02, 2020, 10:48:48 PM

You yanks sure love your barbed wire!
Mind you, it's also the deterrent of choice for most field enclosures in the UK too!
The other day, walking the fields, I got a bit lost and was forced to escape a field through the barbed wire.  Fortunately there was a 3-wire fence where the middle wire had dropped off along a short section so I was able to wriggle through without injury to self or clothing.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 02, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Clothing caught is a problem with barbed wire. I've been very hung up with it. Awareness is critical nude, to avoid scrapes, but at least I know where the stuff is at and am extra cautious. I'd say that other than armor, nude is the better way to pass through the stuff.

I get dirty knees, reminders to loose weight, walk for extra distances looking for openings or disruptions. It also keeps me on track, if I'm not sure of my bearings. It keeps the damned cattle away from the creeks and flowers. It is part of the landscape with its benefits outweighing its problems, except the ones that have those "No Trespassing" signs on them.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jmf on May 03, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
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Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 03, 2020, 07:18:42 PM
Around here a legal "fence" has to have at least 4 wires.   If there are only 3 wires it may be a cattle pen, but in legal disputes it is not a "fence."  That apparently comes from the old west days when there were large legal disputes over cattle grazing area and how "fenced" they had to be.  Another old law says that being caught on someone else's land with a fence cutting tool has a sever penalty. 

3 wire cattle pens are usually quite a bit easier to get over or through.   I agree with JBee about getting clothing caught while trying to get over or through a barbed wire fence.  The barb can catch a  wayward wrinkle and end up tearing your nicest hiking outfit. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on May 04, 2020, 09:35:19 AM
in uk 3 wire barbed wire fences are the norm , or single barb over some form of netting.   pretty sure its illegal to electrify barbed wire.    most of our farmers use electrified plain wire to contain cattle,  single strand for large cattle , 2nd strand at knee high for young cattle.  top strand is usually low enough for a 6 foot man to step over.... only short arxxes duck under.   over here a 5 mile leccy fence is a long one most are under a mile.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on May 05, 2020, 05:57:08 AM
In Austria they get by with only 2 strands. (Dan and Chris are holding up the fence with a pole, insulated somehow.)
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Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 05, 2020, 05:00:25 PM
Nearly all are three strand here.

It is good to have a spotter, that holds the wire above. We rarely go over. It stands generally nearly chest high.

We look for weak spots and spread the wire. Sometimes we can go through with the other spreading two strands. usually we go under.

If I'm alone, I may have to take off the pack, lay down on the ground. Laying down in the desert means prickers above, but also below...very careful. The best places usually end up being little sandy washes to crawl under.

This piece of fence is gone, now.  It was old and on a friend's property. Sometimes these rusty old pieces will want to sway as one applies grace and dances over.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 09, 2020, 03:37:45 AM
Golf Courses: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

There are many habitats where the secret naturist can enjoy being naked in safety and you would be forgiven for thinking that a golf course would not be one of them. However, when you think about it where else can you find wide open spaces with carefully tended grass underfoot allowing you to comfortably walk barefoot. Where else can you go at night and be undisturbed for hours at a time? There are even bunkers for you to hide on the rare occasion you encounter someone. Okay, you might not be able to get naked there during the day, although it's not impossible, but when darkness falls just about every golf course in the land is yours for the taking.

Finding a golf course for a spot of secret naturism is quite easy, just get hold of any Ordnance Survey map and you will spot one easily enough. However, finding a suitable golf course will usually require some planning. To illustrate this I'll use a golf course not far from my home near Edinburgh.

At first glance the course immediately looked suitable for secret naturism. It was about a mile from the nearest town and screened on two sides by woodland and trees. While the other two sides had roads running parallel to them, the course itself was still reasonably hidden from view due to the lie of the land, and a few short hedges and some scrubs. Any buildings associated with the course were across the road and out of sight.

My initial reccy was done on the mountain bike. I first surveyed the course from the roadside trying to get an overall idea of the course layout, in this case a large rectangle and what areas would be hidden from the road. I then followed the path along the woodland edge to the north to see if I would be able to access the course from that direction, which I could. The main entry to the course was from the road near the driving range. I then looked for escape routes and although there were only two, one of which was the main entrance, I felt happy that I would not be disturbed here at night.

On the night I decided to visit this location, all I needed to do was to arrive in the woodland to the north just before it got dark, giving me enough light to scan over the course to check that all golfers had left for the evening. When it got dark enough I was able to strip off, pack all my clothing into the rear rack bag and explore most of the course naked on the mountain bike. I was actually able to cycle home across a second golf course as well.

There are few problems with secret naturism on golf courses although those immediately next to habitation may be frequented by dog walkers and children playing. In such cases, the wee small hours are often the best time for your visit. You should also check out hiding places as golf courses are by their nature very open. Know the locations of bunkers, water courses, woodland and so on and plan accordingly.

Walking barefoot on a well tended golf course will present few problems although low lying ground thistles can be found and you might be unlucky enough to step onto a discarded golf tee. Scrub areas may also contain hawthorn bushes with their spiky branches and nettles, brambles and thistles are not uncommon in out of bounds areas. Other than that I would recommend golf courses for beginners but only at night or if sure there will be no activity on the greens. As a rule I never cycle across bunkers or greens, but keep to the fairways to avoid causing any damage. Not so when walking barefoot and I take some delight at leaving a trail of bare foot prints in the bunker sand.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 09, 2020, 03:52:21 AM
Desert golf courses are great places for bunnies and wildlife, greens, water are abundant. Predators of "course" know this, including rattlesnakes and scorpions. Not good in the dark.

Under the intense light of a desert full moon, the illumination is like walking in daylight.

I made many attempts, one successful, at my folks old place in the White Mountains during summer visits. There, houses lined the fairways and lights out didn't mean that people were not hanging out on their fairway back porches. Night time didn't assure me that others might be out walking the course, too. When it got late enough, the air would turn cold.
Barefoot was darn nice. I took many walks, lots of recon, although sometimes bundled up.

As a teenager in Michigan, we used to sneak out after curfew and wander Lakeview's suburbia. We ended up at BCC a few times. I did enjoy lying on a well tended green for the first time naked with my girlfriend. The summer evenings were nice there.

I believe that I'll leave this as a segue to Nudukes assessment of our trip liberating a more urban Scottsdale golf course in Arizona. A well accomplished....
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: yeldew on May 09, 2020, 11:17:37 AM
This has reminded me that some of my earliest nude walks were at night on a golf course only 3 miles from the centre of town.
I haven't bothered with night walking since obtaining my light weight Sport Kilt and discovering the joy of daytime nude walking with suitable easily donned cover to hand.
Norman.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 09, 2020, 05:27:48 PM
Yea, I've switched to daylight. I did however take a walk last week with DF along the river with a bright moon. The route that we took petered out and we ended up in residential and the kilt came back on for a bit. Then back off. We found a public desert park with a labyrinth. Then, a car pulled up. Then, dog walkers. It was on and off. Still, it was a shuffle to get it on quickly. DF just kept her short sundress on, until we walked the labyrinth.

The warm evening has a wonderful sense to it. One must risk, or be on a higher alert in the more urban, suburban areas. A golf course is more pleasant with fewer pedestrians.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 12, 2020, 06:40:57 PM
Home: From The Secret Naturists Handbook

"Habitat" Section:

They say the charity begins at home and as far as secret naturism is concerned so does nudity. What better place than your own home and garden to start your secret naturist career. If you are new to nudity your own home provides both privacy and security and it a great place to start getting naked.

What you do while naked at home and for how long, obviously depends on your own circumstances, living alone would be ideal and sharing a home with family can be the most restricting. Whatever your circumstances there are always ways of finding time to be naked. With my own situation I live with my partner, who tolerates my nudity if not done all the time and I keep the peace by generally being naked when she is out of the house or still in bed.

The most obvious time for nudity is when sleeping and if you do that you have already achieved nudity for a third of your time. Not bad for a first step. My current practice is to also stay naked in the mornings during breakfast, shaving, etc only getting dressed last, just before my wife gets up for work. Similarly in the evening before heading for bad, a quick shower gives the excuse to strip off and then I can stay naked for a while before retiring. There are also many jobs around the house that can be done naked and decorating is one of my favourites and it also saves on washing your clothing afterwards.

Before you start wandering naked around the house, you need to check and see who might be able to see you from outside. Luckily I'm this is not too much of a concern as only one window of the flat is overlooked but tends not to be a problem. I just make sure I don't stay in view for more than a few seconds when walking about. One good time is to have a set of clothing to hand in the room you are using. Very useful for emergencies.

Indoor Hints & Tips:
•   Net curtain provide good cover during the day but are useless at night when a light is on inside.
•   Blinds and curtain also provide suitable cover at all times. Remember to open again later.
•   Beware that relatives or family might walk in unannounced. Keep a pair of shorts handy in all rooms.
•   If surprised while naked, say you were just about to have a shower.
•   If cold at night place a blanket on top of the duvet quilt.

If you have a garden there might be possibilities for some outdoor nudity. Again, this depends if the area is overlooked by neighbours and some erecting some screening might just do the trick. Not having a garden, I have not had the pleasure of this facility but have made use of a relatives garden on various occasions when I had managed to engineer suitable occasions where I was alone and able to strip off. Of course, your garden might also be suitable during the hours of darkness.

Outdoor Hints & Tips:
•   Lattice screens are an easy way to provide privacy from the neighbours.
•   Consider grass or slabs rather than gravel for walking barefoot. Also less noisy at night.
•   Beware of garden hazards - spiky plants, hedgehogs, nails, broken glass and so on.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 14, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
Just getting in or out of the shower. I've used that one. Sometimes it is just worth a fib to save the hassle. I've also had people assume that, too.

I surprised and then, not so much that he had restrictions around the house. Somehow, I always assumed a single guy...don't know why.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on May 15, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
Ok, so I have used that excuse before now but he rather annoys me with the constant concern for excuses, cover etc. My excuse now is simply ‘I’m a naturist’  or ‘I’m always naked when I have the chance’. It’s not as if he lives in a jurisdiction where it would ever be illegal to be naked in your own home....

But then I’m not into the secrecy thing, even though I will show discretion, depending on the situation.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on May 16, 2020, 07:49:02 PM

I agree, Martin.  The 'excuse' thing is not really in the spirit of naturism and it is highly unlikely any random caller will see anything unless you choose to open the door naked.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 20, 2020, 07:11:20 AM
We came across a g birder this weekend i the Huachuca Mountains. He said he wasn't concerned when he saw my starting to unravel my sarong. I said, "it's my birthday."
DF added, "It's his birthday suit."
 He said that he was more worried about the "plaque" and he couldn't be hurt by naked people.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 20, 2020, 03:07:42 PM
We don't need an "excuse" to be naked.   The other person needs an excuse to be ashamed of himself or herself. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nudewalker on May 20, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
We came across a g birder this weekend i the Huachuca Mountains. He said he wasn't concerned when he saw my starting to unravel my sarong. I said, "it's my birthday."
DF added, "It's his birthday suit."
 He said that he was more worried about the "plaque" and he couldn't be hurt by naked people.
Jbee

I remember my encounter with a birder. He was more concerned with my encountering  insects and briars than my nakedness. He was dressed with long sleeves, long pants and the pant legs tucked into his socks.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 21, 2020, 08:36:16 PM
Indoor Locations: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

During the cooler months of the year temperatures are often low and when combined with the wind chill factor, outdoor nudity is almost impossible for more than a few minutes at a time. This is good time to seek out indoor locations suitable for a spot of secret nudity.

When searching for a suitable indoor location there are a few things you need to keep in mind. One is that you obviously need to be able to access the building legitimately and another is that you need to remain undisturbed while you are naked there.
The most obvious indoor location is your own home and that is covered separately in this section. Following on from this are the homes of friends, family or even neighbours. All you need to do is to engineer a way of being alone there and you can then get naked. One way I found of achieving this was to offer to water plants or check the mail during holidays. Another was to do some DIY. You may also be able to make use of gardens and outhouses as well.

Another indoor location is the workplace, although this will depend on individual circumstances. I found one way of achieving this was to go in before anyone else arrived in the office. This way I was able on numerous occasions to explore the entire building naked.

Other locations sometimes require some cunning and careful planning. For example, I was once able to explore a church using the "cover story" that I wanted to photograph the interior after dark using a technique called painting with light. To do this you set up your camera on a tripod and fix the shutter open. You then use a flashgun to light up different parts of the building. In this case I was able to collect a key from a nearby shop and had the whole building to myself for as long as I wanted.

Another way to find indoor locations is to pose as a house buyer. Many houses that are up for sale are empty and depending on the individual estate agent, you may be able to collect the key and view the property on your own. Imagine being able to explore a large country house or factory while naked! Again, areas outside the property might also be explored.

Clothing stores also offer opportunities for the more daring secret naturist. Some years ago a female secret naturist related in an email that she found it quite daring to strip naked inside changing room cubicles. This was something she did during her lunch hour and suggested that the thrill from doing this activity was just enough to keep her going during the winter months when outdoor nudity was not possible. This activity can be further advanced. If you arrive at the shop early enough to get the changing cubicle area to yourself you may find it possible to move naked between cubicles or even explore the area. If I recall correctly she hailed from north west Canada but her name escapes me.

Conservation and historic bodies such as the National Trust may also offer semi-indoor locations for the secret naturist. I have found that at some locations such as ruined castles and country houses there is only one member of staff and they are usually stationed at the kiosk with nobody else inside the actual building. If you arrive first you may find the building empty and might be able to explore while naked, if only for a short while before other visitors arrive. Do check for other people first and also for CCTV cameras.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 21, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
It seems that any unusual places have a game sense about them. A matter of fact nudity in such places can give over to edginess. Some situations are in the ilk of dares. I’ve experienced this, but also a sense of liberation, an expansion of my territory, or a justice finally rendered, or a sense of the world more fully perfected without so much body oppression.

I used to enjoy expanding my range when feeding the neighbors dogs and watering their plants, simply not dressing before going next door, as if it were usual. Nude house parties by non-landed clubs, sometimes have this effect walking around in someone else’s home. It can also make a sense that one is more welcomed, like “Me casa Su casa” to enjoy social nudity.

Surveillance cameras are often in buildings. Hotels are often loaded with them anymore.

I had a girlfriend sitting in the dark of a museum audiovisual room. We took advantage of the very close to being caught factor. On a very hot summer’s day at the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum in mid-week many years ago, a girlfriend and I did pictures in their cave display and in another indoor exhibit. It was mostly empty back them.

Daring nudity in restaurants, like the private rooms of Japanese Sushi Bars, especially after sake has been done up properly.
This reminds me of having sex in unusual places, close to being caught, added excitement.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 23, 2020, 05:04:55 PM
Nature Reserves: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

For the secret naturist, nature reserves offer plenty of opportunities for outdoor nudity. Where else can you find large areas devoted to wildlife, with footpaths and trails to follow, birds and other animals to watch and even the occasional hide to provide shelter. You may even find ponds for skinny dipping. The only downside is that other people go there as well! However, this need not be a problem if you plan your trips accordingly.

I've visited a number of nature reserves with secret nudity in mind and have enjoyed many an hour exploring the reserve while naked. As with most locations, arriving in the early morning will usually give you the place to yourself but you should keep an eye open for other early morning visitors such as birders and the like.

Nature reserves are very much a special environment and as such have special problems for the budding secret naturist. Here are a few things you need to be aware of:

•   They tend to attract people with binoculars and telescopes.
•   CCTV and video cameras are common at popular locations.
•   Check hides carefully for people before stripping off.
•   Reserves near to housing are a magnet for dog walkers.
•   Wardens may be about at all hours.
 
Don't let the above put you off. Just be aware of these points and take heed of them during your planning phase. For example, there's an island known as the Bass Rock in the Firth of Forth near Edinburgh. The island is essentially a seabird colony and there are also old buildings that could be explored. I had thought about getting hold of a kayak and paddling out to explore the island naked. However, a visit to the Scottish Seabird Centre at North Berwick revealed that there are remote control cameras on the island, with viewable screen on display in the centre. Perhaps not the best place for secret naturism!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 23, 2020, 05:36:14 PM
I've noticed that many trails are used in the morning and empty by afternoon.
Often because of the heat of the day. Nude, the heat doesn't bother me as much.
People tend to go less far, if they leave later in the day.
The trailheads are where most activity is.
The Forest Service isn't as concerned with disruptions of nudity if it is kept away from the trailhead where those people are. It is not likely that an authority will chase a naked walker any distance from the trailhead, or wait for hours for them to maybe come back to the trailhead dressed.
Sunday afternoon toward evening, people go walking after a long day, etc. Most people have left, however.
Sometimes, you know that the odds are that nobody is coming out.
Weekdays are significantly less busy.

The odds are approximately 97 to 3 that a person will object to nudity, or be offended out on the trail. Odds of trouble are even less.

CCTV, game cameras, people with binocs and telescopes, hunting hides, are stealth. There can be no claim for exhibitionism, if you are minding your own business and they sneak up on you. Nudity isn't illegal, being seen is illegal, if you are reckless about it, and then just a small area of the body, usually. There can be a claim for voyeurism, or spying on the others account. Nature isn't a public space like urban locations are. One has a certain expectation of privacy, especially when odds are that one will not encounter anyone else.

I gather that preserves, or reserves are smaller in Europe. Lookee was in Scotland, where there are bigger less touched, remote areas than south. I miss Milfmog's posts...and then, you over there, you don't have the legal inhibitions to free range action.

What do you do when you happen upon an off duty cop, or an authority in uniform out on a trail? Does he/she have a badge, ability to subdue, have backup, have a desire for hassle, have something better to do than enforce laws in the middle of nowhere.
Most cops don't even know the law well enough to know if they are in their jurisdiction, or not, in Federal lands.
The only arrest out on the trail, or say in the tooleys, has been frequented hot springs, or a beach that some hoohah wants to "clean up."

The other day, we backpacked two miles and camped in paradise. Sunday afternoon. I wore a kilt, she a short dress. Once we got into it, we didn't need cover, because it was remote and very few people were out there. A coupe of young guys walked by as we were pitching the tent and smirked. A dog walker and a birder the next day, neither had any issues with naked people and stopped to talk a bit. We took a mile walk from there, no backup clothing, no need, just act natural...but then, saw no one. Around the trailhead, there were encounters every few minutes. There were people with kids, teenagers, who knows what kind of kook's attitudes. Who needs the hassle?...I wasn't significantly uncomfortable in a kilt, unlike pants. The backpack and rocks in the trail were occupying my attentions. Still, it felt so much better to be nude in paradise. Nude belongs in nature.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on May 24, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
in this part of somerset we have quite a few nature reserves, the rspb bird reserves tend to have visitors in camo with cameras with long telephoto lenses so i tend to avoid them.   most counties have a county wildlife trust which manage reserves , often wooded, then theres the woodland trust, forestry commision, even the county council.   close to home we have a green burial ground which also has about 12 acres of rough pasture in two paddocks that is termed a nature reserve , a local farmer mows it for hay mid summer , theres a scattering of trees around the edges and a couple of benches, open to public but rarely see anyone there on weekdays.
national trust also owns bits of countryside which are public access.
trick is finding spots that are rarely visited by others , in normal times daytime midweek is usually good if you pick your spots.

lot easier now we can just stick "somerset nature reserves " (or whatever) into google and see what gems pop up.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 24, 2020, 03:39:39 PM
Smile!  You're on Candid Camera.

My reaction to people with long lens cameras has always been to smile and wave.   Sometimes they get embarrassed and leave.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on May 24, 2020, 11:31:22 PM
My reaction to people with long lens cameras has always been to smile and wave.   Sometimes they get embarrassed and leave.

Haha!  Just like you, Bob.  Independently minded as ever.  It's a double edge, I think, to take camera-wielding snoopers or other encounters face on.  On the one hand as you have implied, Bob, it asserts and communicates your independence, confidence and right to be there naked (probably completely private but for the distant camera!).  On the other hand standing up for your right to be nude in this way might be interpreted as defiant or provocative.  I would like to think that the odds are 99.9% for the former and 0.1% (or less!) the latter!
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on May 25, 2020, 09:15:43 AM
with a keen photographer in a bird reserve you probably wont even notice its there.    actually its probably out of date thinking to be wary of them. keen photographers tend to be aware of responsibilities and legalities... now your far more likely to appear on internet from a chance encounter with an idiot with a smart phone.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 27, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
PARKS: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Most urban areas will have public parks and gardens that can be used by the secret naturist, although usually only at night or either very late in the evening or in the wee small hours of the morning. Even then extreme caution is advised as people can be around at any hour. Their very convenience makes them both a blessing and a risk, in that they are both easily accessible from secret naturism and also to members of the public. Depending on the location and size of the park, their usefulness will vary greatly from place to place and only thorough reconnaissance during the time you would wish to go there will provide the answer if nudity is possible.

My local park it typical of urban parks open to the public. It consists of playing fields, scattered mature trees, a river with a bridge and direct access to the countryside. A number of surfaced footpaths offer some good opportunities for nude cycling and there are also about 8 entrances and exits, giving plenty of options for escape routes.

So, what to look for when checking out a park for a potential secret naturist outing. Firstly, you need to get to know every entrance and follow every footpath to see where it leads or does not lead! Hiding places are also important, look out for clumps of bushes that would offer concealment if required. It is also important to scan the surrounding area to see what properties overlook the area and what an occupant might see of the park, even at night.

Public gardens differ slightly from parks in that they are generally separated from the surrounding area by a fence or wall which is often locked out of hours. These offer the ideal location for an outing, for the secret naturist willing to take the time to gain entry by scaling the wall or whatever. Such gardens are abundant in Edinburgh and can offer an interesting challenge.
Recent investigations into urban nudity have shown that public parks are ideal for high speed secret nudity using a mountain bike. The open spaces, flat grass surfaces and footpaths are custom designed for the secret naturist who wants to move fast at night. As usual, a thorough daylight preliminary recon is advisable to identify escape & evasion routes and obstacles such as benches, litter bins, etc.

One final important point. The secret naturist using a public park runs the risk of being taken for a flasher or similar, if seen, There is an association of parks with flashers and this is not going to help the secret naturist who is seen walking naked in the small hours. More than likely the police would be called and questions asked.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 27, 2020, 11:00:22 PM
Funny, we're going to a park tonight. A couple or three weeks ago, we went for a walk, which went on further than expected and ended up discovering a previously unknown park. I got nude, as I was just dressed in a kilt and shoes. DF a little here and there in her more tight sundress.

I wrote a post for the website, but it was spontaneous and no pics. Tonight we'll revisit a couple of spots just to make illustrations.

I expect that we'll not wander too far, it is snake season and the moonlight is not adequate. Probably just drive, stop and pop a few after sushi.

I think it can depend on how well lit the park is and what you are doing. For example are you just sitting eating under a tree, or walking around, at night.

They can be as Lookee says, dangerous in the daytime, with the flasher projection out there.

A less frequented park is safer, if there is a quick coverup. If seen covering, then someone knows that you have been walking nude (if not in denial), but there is no exposure and you are within legal boundaries. It does however create two lessons. People walk nude for whatever reason and two, they cover up. The reason that they coverup is interpreted by the observer. The observer may project something like, covering because it is illegal, because it is wrong, because of shame, anything. If someone, stops to comment, then honesty is the best message. Perhaps discussion, but I haven't had the occasion.

There are miles of river park here. Bicycle police patrol them on the bike/walking paths. Wearing a headlamp and riding a bike and blinding any passersby, may create the freedom one seeks, at a price. Late at night in the relative calm is probably a good ride. Bike shorts of paint is an optional tool.

At your own risk. I rarely get to parks and if I do, it is daylight and for a social function, clothed.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 28, 2020, 01:18:29 AM
Back when I was in college in Seattle there was this ravine that cut through one of the many hills, and about 1/2 mile north of the University. It was designated Ravena Park.  Two bridges crossed the ravine.  At the bottom a small stream flowed with a gravel walking path beside it.  The path was wide enough for park department trucks.  There were a couple of side paths leading up to the streets where bridges spanned the ravine.  Sometimes when I was up late at University I would do late night naked exercise running down the path from end to end and back. Total about 2 miles.  I don't still remember if I ever passed any other pedestrians or not.  It was half a century ago. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on May 28, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
We had a covid date last light, enhancing the mission to take photos to illustrate a post about a stroll that we took a few weeks ago. We ordered sushi on the phone and went to pick it up.

The park has a pair of benches at its labyrinth. We decided to have a sundown picnic there.
When we arrived, there was a young woman walking the labyrinth, back straight, looking down in contemplation.

We spread out the first sushi that we have had on a couple of months. It was heavenly with the miso soup in a tall Styrofoam container.

The view is pleasant. The girl left  with her dog; dusk came.

The light of dusk is much more obscure, not dark, but dim enough, as to mess with details, especially at a distance.
We were sitting, so it helped to see how we were dressed. People don't wear so much and often odd outfits here in the summer.

There was a mesquite tree keeping us from being spotted on a couple of sides and no paths behind us. I was in nothing but a kilt, so all I had to do was undo it and let it flop to the side. I then felt "back to normal." DF had a baggy dress and dropped it down. It became a very pleasant nude picnic. A couple of walkers and a colorful "paint" horse walked by. The white patches the only detail to see. I doubt that they even noticed us, at all across the labyrinth, in the dim and away from the path.
After feasting, we sat quietly for  a few minutes, to catch awareness and listen for the normal sounds and people who would bring something new into the mix, to get a feel for it.

DF broke the moment to tell me that she would like to get the pictures done during the lull. This sounded good to me, we got up as I adjusted the camera and she pulled her dress off to leave behind.

I instructed her where to walk and which way to face.

I had trouble seeing her in the dim image through the camera. I set the direction and framing as best that I could and then pulled my face away to see her. We knew that the flash would be a problem, darkness to daylight in an open place, if anyone noticed and got curious. I listened and looked around after each take. We had minimized the odds first and now kept vigilance and made it all happen as quick as could be. She seemed more relaxed than me.

We checked the results on the screen as we sat on the bench, “Good enough.” After that, she posed me.

We sat quietly once more, but we still wanted to accomplish a walk while we were there. I just continued nude. DF decided to just leave her dress rumpled at her waist, easy to pull up, if need be. This is a spiritual meditation and we don’t want to have to break it to quickly grab something to wear. I just figured that I would see where the flashlight was before I was seen and if no light gave them away, the moon was small like a bowl, so darkness and assumption would hide me.

We each had our business, our question/intention to work on.
 
As I walked, I was concerned that there could be too much distraction as I listened. I couldn’t hear silence for the crunch of my own feet in the sandy loam. Every so often I would pass into the light from a street post, more illuminated and it would initially bother me, but I looked down and could see that the light still wasn’t discernibly strong on my body.

We met in the middle, embraced, raised our arms to the air and added more prayer.
 
It was a nice night to be nude, comfortable air, openness, and peaceful as I walked back to the car.
Jbee

 




Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on May 30, 2020, 11:20:12 PM

I really don't like sushi.  It's the sticky rice I find a bit cloying and nauseating.  I know many folks love it but its something I have never really got to like.
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on May 31, 2020, 07:51:25 PM

I really don't like sushi.  It's the sticky rice I find a bit cloying and nauseating.  I know many folks love it but its something I have never really got to like.
John

I'm with you John.  I don't much care for most fish anyway and the thought of raw fish is beyond my tolerance.  I've given up carbs too, and rice is pretty much all carbs.  Lots of other good things to eat.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 01, 2020, 06:41:17 PM
There's always sashimi Nuduke. I like to dip my rice into a goo of wasabi and soy sauce. I usually eat my fish purely by itself. The rice gets in the way of the savoring. Great omega 3's, oil, and fun tastes. I had a Japanese mother-in-law long ago. I had to learn to love it. Miso with its probiotics, green tea with its good health and those green edimoni beans for protein and roughage. The sashimi cuts are top on the line and with care.

Oh, Bob, all of that fresh Northwestern Salmon going to waste!
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 02, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
Quarries: From "The Secret Naturist Handbook"

A quarry might not seem like the type of location where you would want to get naked but you would be quite wrong. Let me explain this by example.

Not far from my home exists a large partially disused quarry complex used for the extraction of limestone to produce cement and other similar products. The quarry is mostly disused and visitors are infrequent, both factors making this location suitable for outdoor nudity. The quarry itself is below the level of the surrounding countryside and the winds that can be quite severe in the more open surrounding farmland are much reduced down in the quarry. This makes nudity possible here on occasions when more exposed locations are out of the question. These micro-climates are sometimes well worth seeking out, not only in quarries but other habitats as well.

By their very nature, exposed rock faces and bare rocky terrain, quarries offer something different from the more normal locations such as woodland and coastal trails. From experience of being naked in these places, I have often found that the feeling of exposure in large quarries can add considerably to the overall degree of nakedness. You tend to feel vulnerable and your nudity more pronounced.

Many people feel that quarries, both working and disused, are just too dangerous to visit and in some instances this can indeed be the case. You obviously have to give some thought to safety when visiting quarries and other similar locations such as rock outcrops and sea cliffs. There is always a risk of falling rocks and the easiest way of dealing with this is to stay clear of the cliff face itself. You could wear a hard-hat but that tends to defeat the point of being totally naked.

As well as the usual factors that need to be taken into account when planning your visit to a quarry, this type of habitat also has a few unique points that need to be considered. The first is that access and exit points tend to be limited in number, sometimes as few as one or two may be found. This might present a problem should you need to exit the location quickly, perhaps after having heard people or a vehicle approaching. Another is the nature of the terrain underfoot and some form of footwear will almost certainly be required. You may also find that the ability to detect anyone approaching is severely limited by the quarry walls and that people are far more likely to see you before you see them.

One the good side old quarries, and indeed working quarries as well, may often offer items of interest. As well as the geology of the area itself, there may also be items of plant and equipment that might be investigated with some care. You may even come across underground caves or mines which may also be explored, although extreme care and caution should be exercised at all times. You may also find ponds in the lower areas of some quarries and while they might invite a skinny dip on a hot summers day I would advise caution as all manner of dangerous debris can lurk under the surface.

Another habitat similar to quarries are sea cliffs. For the secret naturist looking for a quiet spot for some covert nudity, seeking out coastal cliffs can be well worth the effort. Ideally you want a location where access is difficult and where walkers and other visitors tend to stay away. Such locations can be ideal for the secret naturist and all manner of things to do can be found. For skinny dipping you have the sea and rock pools. For the more adventurous you may find sea caves and large rocks and boulders along the shore can make for interesting nude scrambling. The main problem with this type of location is the tide and you should always make sure you will not become stranded at high tide.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
We both are curious about the archeology of old mining towns, ghost towns or the mines themselves. How did people live? We project ourselves back into time with the clues and what we know, a puzzle to solve. This is mostly what is to be found in Arizona.

The open pit mines are just huge, barren, uniform and useless. Some are somewhat re-vegetated, in a half ass manner to simply comply with environmental law and fake PR. Once you plow over a piece of desert, it takes hundreds of years for it to come back like the surroundings, so it is still not an real ecology.

I could imaging one on a cold day, breaking the winds and sun radiating to warm the rocks and barren dirt. Still, these mines tend to wipe out the most beautiful unique areas, so the surrounding country is more attractive to a walker. When you find the most incredible awe inspiring spot, it is usually mineral laden. It is often more remote, too.

Southern Arizona has been a copper bonanza, still the major producers in the country,but these places are gigantic and ongoing and especially ugly.

A friend of mine owns a pit that was used to extract fill dirt for the highway in a floodplain. It is generally an eroding dirt. At the bottom, the water collects and there is some plant life coming back, some mesquite. When the rains come there it proves to be a sanctuary for Colorado river toads. Their mating "bra" can be heard in mass, echoing out. Very funny for an orgy.

Once a year, we have a piano burn down there, remote, deep enough that flames can't be seen, pallets, pianos and old dry Christmas trees mostly. A surf band and potluck and dancing to the flames.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on June 03, 2020, 09:59:18 PM
In my college days of about 50 years ago (I graduated in 1971), I used to do a lot of four-wheeling in some local worked-out strip mines in the northern part of West Virginia. I don't know when they were last mined (there were also drift mines, too) but not in the time I lived around there. Being a four-wheelers, I really didn't do much hiking and I never had any more time than when I was still working for a living. But they were great for driving around. But on my last visit to the area, probably at least five years ago, some were fenced off and that would have been the end of four-wheeling. There were lots of backroads to explore, too.

There was a place mentioned in one of the old World Guides to Nude Recreation that I think was described as a quarry. It was a pond, though, and I'm not sure it had ever been a quarry. I did visit it a couple of times, as well as another place close by but across the Potomac River in Maryland. However, the pond was actually on the grounds of a private girl's school and in reality, you were trespassing. Since then, a building has been constructed that not only overlooks the pond but also the other place across the river. I think it may have been a phys ed building because the windows looked rather high. Anyway, nude people beware.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 08, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
Rivers: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

When looking for suitable places for secret naturism, rivers and the larger streams should always be considered. Why, because such locations will often have well formed trails and footpaths running along one or even both sides. These can make good routes for nude rambling, running, air-bedding or even mountain biking and you always have the possibility of skinny dipping as well!

Finding rivers with such trails is not difficult and you need only find a river that runs through a town or village and there will be a good chance that you will find a suitable footpath. Of course, being so close to habitation means that you may have a challenge finding a suitable time for nudity but this should not put you off and visits during secret naturist times may prove fruitful.

Where riverside trails come in their own is when you leave built-up or urban areas. Once into the countryside you often find that opportunities for secret nudity become greater. By way of example, at my previous residence in the Scottish Borders town of Peebles, there was a designated walk called the Tweed Walk, which ran for some 8 miles up and then down the course of the River Tweed. With some careful planning almost this entire route can be done naked. It�s just a case of getting out there and doing your groundwork.

When you've found what look like a suitable riverside trail carry out your first walk though fully clothed and examine all points that would affect your ability to walk that same route naked. As you walk take note of where you are visible and where you are concealed. Look for junctions along the trail and investigate where they lead to and also who is likely to use those parts of the trail. Examine the trail itself and you will gleam some idea of how well used the route actually is. Generally, the wider the trail the more use it gets. Of course, hiding places and escape route must also be given due consideration.

Riverside trails also have some unique characteristics that secret naturists need to take into account. The first is the likely presence of fishermen, who can be about at any time of day or night, as are water bailiff's and the people they are trying to apprehend, the poachers. You might also give some thought to those who use the river itself, such as canoeists who can come upon you suddenly and silently.

From experience, I've found that outings along riverside trails are best done during the summer at first light. At this early hour few people are about and you also find there the variety of birds and other wildlife is quite amazing. I once planned a nude outing to place me in some woodland beside a river just as the dawn chorus burst was in full swing. It was quite a memorable occasion.

Finally, a few words of warning about riverside trails. Take care when the river is running high, perhaps after heavy rain, as parts of the trail can become undermined and dangerous. It's also usually best not to fall in regardless of the river conditions. Many low-lying rivers, particularly those that meander, can have treacherous muddy banks which can trap the unwary. Exercise caution at such locations.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 08, 2020, 11:16:33 PM
Not much in the way of rivers in Arizona. We have some creeks that are called rivers. Most are dry. They have often bike/walking paths in urban areas, which a frequented. There are bicycle police, also. Late at night, without a full moon, flashlights are necessary, because of tripping and rattle snakes.

Cyclic nude will work, especially with painted on bike shorts and a handle bar light that blinds on-comers.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on June 09, 2020, 09:50:50 AM
things have progressed in the uk which make the secret aspect largely redundant for the confident free range naturist.  now weve got police acceptance of the fact that naturism isnt illegal more freerange naturists are not bothering to hide when meeting public in rural locations this in turn is leading to occasional press reports which now are publicising police non reaction which in turn is leading to more public awareness.   this all makes the clothed recon less of an issue , if a path looks suitable just go for it.

last week i was out delivering a mower , came back through the lanes , stopped for lunch in a bit of a layby that had a public footpath heading accross a grass paddock into the extensive woodland of the stourhead estate.   the herd of cattle in the paddock were more of a concern than the possibility of meeting humans.   the cattle watched but couldnt be bothered to move to investigate this strange apparition in their domain.  in my hours naked explore i met 4 humans but though i had a wrap in the camera bag i didnt bother with it .  it all builds public awareness.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on June 09, 2020, 03:57:34 PM
I am glad public awareness building in the UK Ric.  Sounds like a good afternoon meeting people on a trail without problems. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 10, 2020, 05:15:11 AM
I mentioned on "how was your month" that we were surprised to see so many hikers, runners, of all types on a usually empty trail, over 35 people encountered. Nobody cared, they were more concerned with social distancing. One stripped with us, took a photo opt and continued nearly nude after our influence. I'd imagine that it is at least the same in UK and the polls tell odds of objections are even more unlikely.

We still wore covering, Kilt and skirt, along the first mile a nearly always frequented track.

There are more frequented river walks in the UK as is described. Are people naking those? Urban areas along rivers?

There is a fire approaching that wonderful area that we were just at, as I type this. I very concerned. I just spent a couple of days in the Penalenos to see what was left after the fires there two or three yeas ago. It was very sad, I found myself in a hard cry at one point.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 13, 2020, 08:19:17 PM
Tracks: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

No matter what type of habitat your secret naturist outings takes place in you will likely be following a track, trail or footpath and the main problem is that so will anyone else who visits that location. Obviously this can be a problem for the secret naturist.  Although you can try to seek out and make use of less well known routes through a patch of woodland or whatever habitat you are in, this is not always possible and you need to keep your wits about you at all times.

When walking naked along a well-used trail, the secret naturist should concentrate mostly on what is ahead, as this is the most likely direction that someone will appear suddenly. As you have already covered the area to the rear, this is less of a problem but should still get some attention.

There are various other areas of high risk found along tracks and trails with crossing points such area as gates and styles, where people naturally head to cross a barrier such as a hedge or wall, being where the highest vigilance is required. Crossroads should also be treated with respect as they increase the number of avenues of approach from two to four. Blind brows are also places where people can appear suddenly as a person can be hidden from view until they are almost on top of you, giving little warning.

Some thought should also be given to which part of the trail you actually walk along. For example, keeping to the right when approaching a left-hand bend gives you a better view of what is ahead. Keeping to the left for a right hand bend also applies. You might also want to keep to the side of the trail offering better cover, particularly when approaching a hazard such as a junction or gate.

As part of your reconnaissance prior to your outing, you should be aware which part of the trail present difficulties, from the secret naturist viewpoint. Plans should be made to cope with stretches that are open to view and where you may be seen from afar.

As a matter of policy, all secret naturist should try and improve the condition of the track or footpath they are following. This can be done by removing fallen branches from the trail, picking up large stones that would be a hazards to walking barefoot and generally clearing forest debris from the trail surface. I would also suggest some careful pruning along overgrown trails, taking out overhanging branches and young saplings that are creating obstacles. This must be done carefully and with respect to the woodland and damage and cutting should be kept to a minimum. Any branches should be removed away from the trail and hidden out of sight.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 13, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
When I come to a crossroads, in moments, I'm on another trail. Things don't actually double up, like Lookee's math; its more random. I like to know, or have an educated idea what factors are present adding, or subtracting the odds of being disturbed by another walker. Day of week, how far the trail goes and through what, how remote, or popular, for example.

The most important thing left out is the use of ears. I hear people advancing, more often than see them. So, many hikers team up to talk constantly.

Instead of being out in the open and vulnerable, I feel that seeing people at distance will alert me and I can choose to coverup and when. I am not concerned if they know that I'm out naturist walking, I'm more concerned with adhering to the law.

Around here, people are looking down most of the time, to prevent injuries. Many are out to exercise, being inside their bodies more than in their broader world. "Out of view" may mean a roadway, or house nearby, but those are more predictable than people on a track, or trail.

He talks of tracks, but I see no mention of "tracking", fresh tracks, their direction and broken foliage, etc.

I'm covering miles usually, so stopping to prune isn't happening. I do take clippers, just in case there is a need. I do trim, when it is becoming a problem, for everyone, as a service. The Forest Service budgets trail maintenance have been slashed by austerity, small gov philosophies and free market capitalist exploitations. There are spots where being naked on a remote unofficial trail is pretty sticky/scratchy, like bushwhacking nude. Some trails, I wish to not encourage people to use.
Jbee







Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: nuduke on June 17, 2020, 07:32:49 PM

I try to avoid the paths! Simples!
John
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on June 18, 2020, 10:42:20 AM
sticking to paths is easier walking , less chance of being caught by nettles etc and a lot less likely to trample on wildlife or flowers etc.  its all part of the progression from secret to free range.
added to which in the uk encounters withtextiles are generally not a big deal and theres the argument that the more were seen naked the normal and accepted it becomes.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: MartinM on June 19, 2020, 08:57:54 AM
There are more frequented river walks in the UK as is described. Are people naking those? Urban areas along rivers?

Not much to my knowledge. Most FRN-ers keep to quieter areas where they will only encounter a few ‘proper walkers’, who are generally very open to naturism. Near urban towns with more people and differing attitudes it is not as attractive although I live in a large coastal village (5k).

My local excursions are early morning running, where I will quite often bump into someone, usually covering up when I see them, without any problem, but I wouldn’t dream og going naked in the busy spots in the middle of the day. Covid has however provided extra opportunities with much of the woods quiet as caravan parks closed.

I ran into my first naturist a few weeks ago on the boundary between the quieter woods above and the busier areas. I had just put on my wrap, and I saw him pull over to don hid shorts. I just said ‘Don’t worry, I am also a naturist’ and we had a chat.

I have several local beauty spots within a half hour cycle where I can now happily go naked away from the busiest spots, not worrying about bumping into the occasional walker and occasionally being surprised by one or two runners.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on June 19, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
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There are more frequented river walks in the UK as is described. Are people naking those? Urban areas along rivers?

Not a river walk but woodland. If you check out Naturist Corner (I think you're a member JBee?) and look for Sherwood Forest (yes, late of Robin Hood fame) you'll find there's a thriving naturist community there who have used their legal freedoms to push all the boundaries and populate the woodland paths, gaining official approval along the way (local wardens and police) and scaring very few of the natives, in fact most of them stop for a chat.

It's not something the rest of us have been able to replicate, for whatever reason, but it shows what can be done encourages those of us who don't have the same level of support network.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 19, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
What factors would you figure have caused the Sherwood Forest to be so successful? Could a formula, or collection of tips for success be forged to apply to another area?

If there are more walkers, why and how to replicate? Is it weather? The size of the facility? Just chance? How did you all connect? Is the local culture more progressive, or have strong elements of open-mindedness. Does anyone have any idea what type of people nude walk, or does it seem that they vary, as in the general naturist's population.

Is there more population around there to have more naturist in the area? is it the size of the facility?

Was there a non-landed naturist group there previous to the rulings? Did you find each other happenstance?
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on June 20, 2020, 10:03:11 AM
ive been following the situation on naturist-corner . its pretty much a couple of guys walking the forest nude regularly, seperatly and posting their experiences.  not trying to hide , chatting to those they meet and the warden. its taken years to develope to the current tolerant situation.  i dont know  how many regular nude walkers there are there now ,theres bound to be more than those that post on the forum.

does show what can be done.

unfortunately im the other end of the country so cant join in in person.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Peter S on June 20, 2020, 07:19:11 PM
I think the Sherwood Forest success story can be largely attributed to one of the regular walkers. He wasn’t deterred by the few unpleasant encounters he had, and built up a friendly rapport with the local nature warden who, happily, was tolerant and understanding. In due course this rapport was extended to the local police. Once officialdom was on-side any complainers had nowhere to go, and by his naked walks becoming a commonplace they were accepted by other regular visitors - dog walkers, cyclists, bird watchers etc - and others were encouraged to walk naked as well.

As Bob is always advocating, familiarisation of the public at large with the naked human body has bred acceptance.

One recent report refers to ten naked walkers out together, another to six, and there have been several accounts of naked walkers meeting others on their travels.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: BlueTrain on June 21, 2020, 12:49:47 PM
I don't get out away from home to where I can do any nude walking in the woods but around here, where I usually manage to get in a couple of miles every day, there are more people than ever in the woods. Presumably this is because more people are at home now, as well as it being warm weather. One place that I occasionally drive by is a trailhead for a local network of trails is full of cars and even on a weekday. I can't say what the situation is up in the mountains where I most like to go, though, but chances are, more folks are up there, too.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 23, 2020, 08:15:10 AM
Upland Areas: From The Secret Naturist's Handbook (Habitat Section)

Many parts of the British Isles are blessed with an abundance of hills and mountains, from the peaks and glens of the Scottish Highlands to the rolling downs of southern England, uplands areas everywhere offer some interesting challenges for the secret naturist.

The attraction of the hills to secret naturists, at least for myself and I suspect many others, is the feeling of exposure. To be standing naked, exposed to view from all around and also to the elements, is truly a great experience. Yet, as with all types of habitat, the secret naturist needs to be aware of the possible problems associated with this type of habitat.

When planning an outing into the hills, the weather is perhaps the most important factor to consider. As you gain height winds get stronger and the temperature can drop 1 degree C. for every 100 - 200m of ascent. If you are not carrying clothing, it can be quite chilly when you get to the top and even if carrying clothing, you might need every item to keep warm. Good advice is to check the weather forecast before you go but do bare in mind the mountain weather can be unpredictable and can be nothing like the forecast. One simple rule for mountain weather - if in doubt, turn back!

If hills and mountains attract secret naturist, they will also attract other people and the trails leading to and from hilltops, as well as the summit are where encounters will most likely occur. To try and avoid people, use less popular trails or approaches and stay sharp when on the summit as it can be difficult to see who might be approaching from downhill.

With regards to clothing in upland areas, it has been suggested to that not to take a full set of hill walking clothing and equipment is sheer folly but my response is to look at fell runners and ultra-lightweight enthusiasts. These hardy souls travel across much of our mountainous country wearing little more than shorts and vest, carrying all they need inside a large bumbag or small day-rucksack. The secret is to travel light and fast, getting in and out of potentially hostile environments as quickly as possible. As secret naturists we wear and carry little, allowing us to move quickly. By moving quickly we stay warm and comfortable, thus negating the need for masses of clothing and kit.

Footwear in upland terrain is also important. Boot are always recommended by the authorities and I used to comply but started using approach trainers, then sandals and found I could cope with all but the worst ground conditions without problem. In fact, I found that it was easier to injure an ankle when wearing boots than when walking with sandals or barefoot. For the roughest of terrain I wear sturdy approach trainers. Of course, you should always wear what you feel comfortable with. If wearing sandals, keep the straps tight on rough or sloping ground, to keep the feet firmly in place.

When walking naked in the hills, you still need to keep an eye open for other walkers and carrying a pair of binoculars can be useful for this purpose. If the view is clear and unobstructed, plenty of advance warning can be useful to plan your actions. Finally, hill walking naked should be fun and if you are not having fun, you are doing something wrong!
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: ric on June 23, 2020, 10:00:25 AM
i dont like walking in boots , i just feel they restrict ankle movement....and freedom of movement is one reason for not wearing clothes in the first place.   i also like wearing sandals to let air circulate around my toes.   only boots i ever wear is wellies.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 23, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
I like the five finger toe shoes. They are more moccasin-like, closer to natural feet. I wear the original kind, which have a heel strap and stay on tight.

The mountains here can be 9000 ft. plus. The summer rains can be hazardous, with lightning. We have to be cautious and aware of changes. Temperatures drop rapidly.

I often carry a pair of wind pants (2.5 oz., fit in my fist) but have yet to need them. If I keep my torso covered and keep moving, I'm comfortable to safe. Otherwise, it is relishing the body's incredible ways to adapt.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: Bob Knows on June 24, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
I"m with Ric.  Boots or shoes are restrictive and actually harmful to human feet.  Boots or shoes increase the risk of painful or debilitating injuries. 
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: John P on June 24, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
I'm afraid that for any serious hiking, I need boots. On an easy trail I'll walk in sandals, but I have a bad habit of kicking rocks or fallen branches, and injuring my toes. And I do seem to lead with my right, because that foot gets more than its share of damage.

Maybe I should join this group and build up my resolve to be in contact with Mother Earth:
https://www.meetup.com/eastern-mass-barefoot-hikers/
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 25, 2020, 02:58:09 AM
The toe shoes have enough give to keep me from kicking too hard. Not depending on bifocals sure makes a huge difference. These days I have problems when I'm tired ad nd dragging my feet too much.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 27, 2020, 10:44:02 PM
Urban Areas: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

Secret naturism and urban areas might not, at first sight, appear to be compatible. However, urban areas can and do offer opportunities for the secret naturist. It's really just a case of getting out there and doing your research.

Urban areas such as towns and cities offer a number of locations where nudity may be possible. For example, public parks and gardens, golf courses, derelict industrial sites, canal tow paths, cycle ways and so on. Unfortunately, in most instances daytime nudity is difficult, if not impossible, but when darkness falls, such locations might prove suitable. Get hold of a street map, get on your bike and explore.

The obvious problem for the secret naturist looking for nudity in urban areas is the sheer number of people. The heavy concentration of people in a relatively small area can greatly increase the risk of being seen while naked. However, there are ways around this. As mentioned above, many areas might be suitable after dark, when the concealing cloak of night helps to hide our naked selves from view. With the majority of people tucked up in bed, you might be quite surprised just where you can find yourself alone with the opportunity to disrobe and wander freely.

Most of my own experience of urban habitats has been in a small borders town with a population of around 10,000 individuals. In the wee small hours I have been able to walk many of the local streets undisturbed, as well as ride the mountain bike in the local park. The best times I found for these activities was between the hours of 2 and 5 am, before it gets light.

My present home near Edinburgh does not offer the same opportunities. Being so close to the city, both pedestrian and vehicular traffic is much greater and there is activity around the house during most hours of the night. However, I have been able to identify a number of areas, within walking or cycling distance from home, where I can manage some nudity.

There are two golf course about a mile away, both of which may be visited when darkness falls, when the golfers head for home or the club house for a drink. There is also quite an extensive cycle network, mostly along disused railway lines that can be cycled while naked.

Even in the city of Edinburgh itself, Holyrood Park, a large urban green area near the city centre, does look promising, although I have yet to venture there after dark. The main problem being a safe location to park while I explored on foot. There are also a number of other similar areas in the city, all with some minor upland areas as well, I might add.

There are also other locations in urban areas that might be worth checking out. For example, sports grounds, graveyards and any secluded footpath or cycle way might at least be worth a preliminary reccy. Keep an eye open for derelict sites, canals, rivers and green spaces, all of which should be investigated.

One thing you do need to keep an eye out for in urban areas are video cameras, particularly near main roads. The range of these cameras of quite amazing and you want to try and avoid finding yourself on the television!

Urban areas generally present a higher risk of being seen but they should not be discounted entirely. You will likely have to employ some skill and perhaps cunning, to achieve safe nudity, but the rewards are often well worth the effort.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on June 27, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
Well! This post, next excerpt, sure worked out well with our Trip Report about two of our infrequent urban excursions.

We'll be walking tonight. I wonder how it will end up.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 02, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
Woodland: From the Secret Naturist Handbook section called "Habitat"

Few habitats are more enjoyable and suited for the secret naturist than woodland. Not only are you provided with protection from the elements but you also have the benefit of concealment from prying eyes. Woodland can be found throughout the British Isles and can very between the monoculture of commercial coniferous plantations to the smallest copse with only a few trees. All are suitable for secret naturist activities.

To make full use of areas of woodland in secret naturist outings, the secret naturist must take the time to study the area thoroughly during the planning stage. Foremost in your mind should be to understand the amount of activity that takes place, how many people go there, who they are and when they go there. This can be done by simple observation at various times of day and also by studying the tracks left by walkers. Look out for dog prints and small foot prints will indicate children. This will help you plan the best times for your outing.

Don't forget to find out if there is a gamekeeper who looks after the wood, as he is the likely person who will be sitting out in the wood at the same hours that the secret naturist will use. Watch out for snares and spent shotgun cartridges. Young and tame pheasants are a sure sign that the wood is managed for game.

Next in your task to understanding your patch of woodland is to map out all the trails that run throughout the wood. Not only where they actually run but also where they start and finish and what is beyond where the trail leaves the wood. You never know when you might have need of this knowledge. Next you need to look for potential hiding places and escape routes for use in emergencies and also for areas where people tend to congregate such as viewpoints and beside water. The litter which inevitably gathers at such locations will tell you a lot about the type of people who go there.

Woodland is also full of hidden hazards that could trip or even injury the unwary secret naturist and mixed woodland with plenty of low level growth can be a particularly problem. Keep a look out for and note the location of, patches of stinging nettle and bramble, fallen branches or trees, fences, ditches and so on.

When you have completed you preliminary work, have planned a secret naturist outing and are embarking on your secret naturist adventure, you still need to keep your wits about you at all times. The cover provided by woodland is both a blessing and a curse, for what provides cover to yourself can also hide people from your view and sudden encounters are a risk.

When you are walking through the wood naked, you should move quietly and with stealth, keeping noise to a minimum. This way you will keep the disturbance to wildlife to a minimum and you will also be able to detect the disturbance caused by others elsewhere in the woods. For example, the bark of a deer in the distance can be a good warning sign, particularly if you are downwind and the deer has not been startled by your presence.

One final point on the subject of woodland. If planning a secret naturist outing in an area of woodland which will take place during the night or even late in the evening, do bear in mind that under the forest canopy, darkness will fall earlier than the surrounding countryside. A good, reliable torch is always a good idea in these situations.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 02, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
Keeping wits about is such a primeval state of mind, a naked hunter. So many people clunk through, talking, making noise, boots kicking up tracks and making so much noise. Some places get more silent and some disturb the birds to flight or call to warnings when humans pass. Along these trails up above, is where the wildlife goes in caution. That's where to find deer, let the loud city folk scare the deer to me.
Jbee

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 10, 2020, 10:26:23 AM
It gonna be 113F on Sunday. It is just way too hot, record breaking stuff that comes around every few years. I'm heading to the mountains to hone my glamping setup for the next two weeks. A retreat of sorts. I'll see what kind of food I actually need and how to simplify, simplify. My SUV is totally packed to the gills. There is just too much stuff.

I'll 4x4 out into it, not much chance of internet, but a couple of brief trips to town. If I find WiFi, I'll just publish a story and run. This was the end of the "habitat" section. When I get back, we begin the "Planning" section with about 20 topics.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 27, 2020, 05:30:09 AM
Overview of the "PLANNING" section of The Secret Naturists Handbook.

The big secret that makes a good secret naturist, one who is never seen and who can walk naked just about anywhere, is their ability and plan a successful secret naturist outing. The ability to carefully and methodically plan can make the difference between a successful, highly enjoyable and memorable experience and one that ends in the worst possible disaster occurring and which might even put them off for good.
Planning should not be seen as a chore, rather it should be viewed as a challenge, one that is an integral part of the entire matter that is secret naturism. There can be a great deal of pleasure and satisfaction when an event occurs during a naked walk or whatever, that would have caused you a major problem had you not planned for such an eventuality. Simple things such as making sure your car keys were safe and secure or having fresh batteries in your torch for late evening excursions, can make a real difference to the success or failure of any outing.


Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 27, 2020, 05:33:27 AM
Part #1 of the Planning Section: Activity Planning: From The Secret Naturists Handbook

With the success of any secret naturist outing dependant on not being seen by other people, it might be useful to look at the activity patterns for the population generally. By activity patterns, I refer to the times of day when certain people are out and about. By having some understanding of when people tend to be around, this information can be used to plan your secret naturist outing.

Obviously, the following are generalisations and may not apply to all situation, locations and countries. The activity patterns for a small village will differ greatly from those of a large city. The information should be treated only as a guide and should encourage some thought on the matter. For convenience, the day has been split into 8 x 3 hours time periods.

Activity patterns will differ with the varying amount of daylight throughout the year, with the rise and fall in temperatures and is also variable with favourable or inclement weather conditions.

Midnight to 03.00

Ideal time for the secret naturist in most locations. Pubs and clubs generally closed or closing but watch for people returning home late. Few people likely to be in the countryside other than secret naturists, and the occasional naturalist or researcher. Road and pedestrian traffic usually light with reduced bus services. Some shift worked may start or finish at 02.00. Post office workers and bakers may start during this time. Near water, beware of all-night fishermen during the open season.
03.00 to 06.00

The first two hours of this period are good secret naturist times, with the last hour seeing the start of early commuters. Shift workers may start at 06.00 which is also a good time to be on location to head into the hills before others arrive, thus giving you seclusion at least on the outward part of the journey. Forestry workers may also be in woodland this early during the summer months when daylight permits. Again, near water, beware of all-night fishermen. Watch out for early morning joggers in parks.

06.00 to 09.00

Dog walkers can be seen from the early part of this period with road traffic increasing as commuters start to take to the roads. The latter hours are also particularly heavy with children going to school - a good enough reason to exercise caution! In the countryside, farmers will be out checking stock, especially during the lambing season and may have been out since before dawn. Delivery vehicles may be seen at some of the larger shops and stores with a high probability of them in shopping centres. Public parks can have pre-work joggers and runners.

09.00 to 12.00 Noon

The commuter period is generally over and school children are safely in school. Marked increase in delivery vehicles to smaller shops. Between 09.00 and 10.00 people tend to arrive at country locations for walks and lay-by's can be busy around noon with people stopping for lunch. Workmen, tradesmen and delivery drivers may also stop around 09.00 for breakfast. Urban locations are usually not suitable during these times.

12.00 Noon to 15.00

Activity is similar to the previous period with an increase in traffic and pedestrian activity during the lunch period. Again urban location usually unavailable. Look out for post lunch walkers and dog walkers.

15.00 to 18.00

This period starts to see returning primary school children with commuters making an appearance in the latter hours. Country locations can often be empty over the tea-time period between 5.00 and 6.00pm and therefore available for secret naturist use.

18.00 to 21.00

Typical dog-walking time with countryside areas and public parks busy until dusk and often afterwards as well by groups of youths and young people with nothing better to do. Country areas within walking distance of a town will have activity until after dusk. 21.00 if often a good time to head out when "normal" folk are heading for home.

21.00 to Midnight

Urban areas are still generally out-of-bounds until after 23.00 but country areas start to become available much earlier. Much activity around pubs and clubs, (note - golf clubs often have a bar as well). Most countryside locations will be quiet as dog walkers return home.

Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on July 27, 2020, 05:38:56 AM
1982, I remember being pinned down in an alley with a pal, dogs barking, no place to hide well. The bars let out at 1pm. Lots of people in that neighborhood, it became apparent, close down the bars on a Friday night. Then again, it doesn't take very many to disrupt an outing. My pal hasn't done such a thing before or since. It DID seem like a bad idea while being pinned there.
Jbee
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 01, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
Best Times: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

With the ever growing popularity of the countryside for leisure activities, finding a suitable location for a spot of secret naturism can sometimes be rather difficult. When I first started heading into the countryside, more often than not, I would find people already at the locations I wanted to explore naked. However, it did not take long to realise that all locations have optimum times where nudity is possible.

Generally speaking, I've found that the majority of locations will be most suitable for nudity in the early mornings, the late evenings and throughout the night. Of course, some places are suitable during the day as well however the majority of locations will only permit nudity during the above times.

Planning your secret naturist outing to start in the early morning takes advantage of the fact that most people will still be tucked up in bed and you may find that even the most popular of locations are yours alone. You may also see more wildlife as well.

One thing to need to consider on early morning nude rambles or whatever, is the fact that only the outward part of the journey will be safe for nudity. You need to be aware that people may arrive while you are on location and may be encountered on the return part of your route. This is assuming you are following a circuitous route.

Late evenings also offer good opportunities for the secret naturist. As people return home for the night, many locations become deserted and available for secret nudity. In this case, however, you may encounter people on the outward part of the journey but will possibly find that the return part, if done after darkness falls, will have little risk of sudden encounters with Joe Public. For longer outings late evenings can also be extended into the night.

To find out the best times for any given locations simply requires good ground work. If you visit a potential location repeatedly at different times, you will soon determine when nudity is safe or otherwise. You may even be lucky and fine locations where secret naturism is possible at any time of day or night!

The majority of people stick to the more "normal" times of the day but there are, of course, other people who venture outdoors during the same times as secret naturists. For example, birders, fishermen, foresters, hunters, farmers and nature reserve wardens, so keep an eye out for them.

While it is possible to determine the "best times" for any given location, these times can vary, particularly during bank and public holidays when an increased number of people head for the countryside. I've found it best not to plan secret naturist outings during these times. Conversely, taking your own holidays when other people at not on holiday will give you the advantage when looking for places for secret naturism.
Title: Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
Post by: jbeegoode on August 01, 2020, 06:01:26 PM
Things have been so off because of the number of people seeking relief from lockdowns.

Sometimes I want solitude, or I'm in no mood for hassles, or excitement. Always, there have been no hassles, as people don't care. These considerations are about mood. We don't mind if somebody sees naked in a remote area, but we sometimes do mind a zillion other people on what we expect as a remote trail. In a couple of weeks, I'll publish the story of us bumping into like 35 people in an afternoon when we have no backup. It was interesting. We were surprised.

So, even with remote here and the new interpretations of law over there, how to get a nice peaceful naturists walk in is relevant.

"Timing is everything in Paradise" according to an older post on my website: https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2015/08/11/timing-is-everything-in-paradise-a-trip-report/
Jbee