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Naturism => General Naturism Discussion => Topic started by: jbeegoode on November 13, 2019, 09:45:58 AM

Title: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on November 13, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
I did some reading and wrote up an article of public interest. It's about the chemicals in clothing and inherent possibilities.

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2019/11/13/whats-in-your-pants/#more-6429

There are also a couple of links there, an article and a paper after my write.
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: ric on November 13, 2019, 10:27:14 AM
the older they are and the more washes theyve had the better i like them.     cant abide new clothes
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on November 13, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Old denim is like a guitar string. They start out kind of stiff, then there is that period in between that sounds and moves so sweet. Eventually it gets kind of shabby and breaks. When the knees have gone out on my 'ol jeans, my heart has broken....
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: ric on November 14, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
when the knees go chop the legs off and turn them into shorts.

its the pockets going that kills them for me,  all the keys wear holes.   it is possible to buy replacement pockets but a bit of a faff to sew them in.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on November 15, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
The change pouch goes on mine, then I put coins in and they run down my leg, or get caught up in my cash and cards. It is always handy to have DF along with her little bag at resorts, or when kilted. Places where I need money and have no pockets.

Hmm, I hadn't thought that the title would bring a literal question to answer. I just figured the thread would be about pollutants in clothing. Well then, keys in left pocket. Change, hairband, any loose pills, or dental floss might be found in my change pocket in Levis. Otherwise, the rest goes into the right pocket. Comb in back pocket. Usually, a pair of tall minimal bikini gruns...no hidden surprises in my pants....a ticket stub, or note to myself. My hands end up stuffed in my pockets sometimes.

An uncomfortable Jbee?...nobody's in my pants...certainly not at the moment....

I have sometimes placed pocket items in my socks, when pants were not available, but if pants weren't available, then socks wouldn't generally be available either...If I can do it, barefoot.

There is a sexual innuendo, but I'll opt out of it.
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: John P on November 15, 2019, 03:48:05 AM
Clever title, JBG.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: rrfalcon on November 16, 2019, 05:35:59 PM
When I'm wearing pants, I generally have my keys in the left pocket, with a lockblade pocket knife clipped to it on the top. The right pocket gets a Victorinox Swiss army knife, a money clip, and my phone. I also usually wear a fanny pack that holds my ID, ready cash and credit cards, a Leatherman tool, flashlight, and other potentially useful emergency items.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: reubenT on December 23, 2019, 02:06:00 AM
my pants is fallin to pieces right now.  Can't bear to part with them so end up wearing them till they fall off in rags.   That's the ones I was using for woods and shop work today.   Just because it was too chilly to not wear something.   What's in em?  dirt and grease for the most part,  I'm still sort of in em and spillin out.  as for pocket fillin that's usually a folding knife, either swiss or that generic old thing that stays sharp better than the swiss.   But the swiss has a saw blade on it that comes in really handy sometimes.   For going places a comb and billfold and some change gets added.   Of course I switch to a better looking version to go places. The old fallin apart kind is just for chilly weather home work.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: nuduke on December 28, 2019, 03:31:40 PM

Keys, handkerchief right pocket,
Phone, change pouch left,
Wallet back right,
Comb, pen left breast pocket of shirt or leg left side pocket of cargo trousers.
Always the same if I can.
John
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on December 31, 2019, 04:21:06 PM
At a minimum, house keys and a handkerchief--unless I forget one or the other. These are not things I think about very much.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on December 31, 2019, 08:06:23 PM
Right pocket cash and cards. If change pocket, change and a piece of dental floss. Left, keys. Rear right, comb.

The issue here, I should think, is what to do with those things when there are no pockets...then again, I don't need these things when I'm naked. I need these when I'm at the store.

If I were to go to a store naked then a purse, or bag on a belt would suffice.
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: nuduke on January 03, 2020, 05:43:58 PM

I have said before that the fact that god, evolution, mother earth or whatever we all spring from has not given us a natural pocket, say, perhaps usefully situated in front or on the buttocks, is evidence that nudism/naturism is unnatural and a mortal sin.  Or more likely that, since naturism/nudism is in fact a good thing that this is evidence that god does not exist, otherwise how could s/he have let their omnipotence lapse and not afforded us humans the benefit of such a useful adjunct to naturism! And, continuing the metaphysical speculation, why is it that we humans are so inextricably attached to wearing textile items of all sorts?  That looks like a punishment for original sin to suffer eternally the discomfort of clothes when we should really all be permanently comfortable and naked!!


Sorry, I couldn't resist the above humorous speculations - apologies, peace and respect to those with other beliefs!  Pax,pax,pax
John
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on January 03, 2020, 06:41:44 PM
We wear textiles because we choose to live in places where such things, or furs, are necessary. Total and everyday nudity appears to be limited to those places where the climate is more benign, at least most of the time. And in fact, the case has been made that humans originated in those places. The nature of sin does not turn on the existence of pockets, a relatively modern thing, except among kangaroos and like animals. Some clothes might be uncomfortable, others anything but. I've never heard anyone say a cotton t-shirt was uncomfortable, except perhaps for those who were particularly sensitive. For them, I recommend silk.

Ötzi the iceman is an interesting person to study. Something like 5,000 years ago, he was wearing both furs and textiles, had a belt with a pouch, a sort of backpack and shoes made of, I think, fur and cord. But everything he had was necessary for survival in the Alps. (Although he didn't--he had been in a fight and had been shot). I guess you could say he was a modern man. But he sure lived off the grid.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on January 03, 2020, 07:12:18 PM
So, we evolved out of lush circumstance, with no need for pockets into an upright cruising hunter thing. Are we expected to grow pockets, when we obviously began to make them instead and also have the use of hands. I don't see many people of the plains, or aborigines using pockets, just some with a bag, or a stick, etc.

If we're running down our prey, we don't want to be loaded down ourselves. Let someone else carry the load when in the hunt.

Then, the gatherers, would need some dang big pockets. I think that even the kangaroo's pocket is a home/shelter for the young and not so much a carrying case. Lower center of gravity for parents and speed until the kid has its own.

Sorry, I had to make that remark....
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on January 03, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
Although it should not be imagined that primitive or isolated peoples have easy lives, it is nevertheless said, so I am led to believe, that such peoples actually have more leisure time than we do. Or more correctly, they enjoy more leisure time than we do. We use up a lot of time commuting, as you probably know, slaves to the clock. But sometimes we have the idea that we have to keep busy. We have hobbies, we play games, we go out for entertainment and for eating out and sometimes, a few of us go hiking. American Indians played games but none of the other things. They relaxed and smoked their pipes. I'm referring to the men, of course. The women had more to do.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: John P on January 03, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
William Wood, New-England’s Prospect. 1635.

Since the English arrival comparison hath made [Indian women] miserable; for seeing the kind usage of the English to their wives, they do as much condemn their husbands for unkindness, and commend the English for their love, as their husbands commending themselves for their wit in keeping their wives industrious, do condemn the English for their folly in spoiling good working creatures. These women resort often to the English houses, where pares cum paribus congregatæ*,—in sex, I mean,—they do somewhat ease their misery by complaining, and seldom part without a relief. If her husband come to seek for his squaw, and begin to bluster, the English woman betakes her to her arms, which are the warlike ladle, and the scalding liquors, threatening blistering to the naked runaway, who is soon expelled by such liquid comminations.

* Like joins with like.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on January 04, 2020, 03:29:41 AM
Naked meaning something. Not so monogamous. Free liquor for her mate. Some kind of chauvinist leanings of the natives, even abusive. Did I get that correct?

Not the noble savage narrative.
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: reubenT on February 10, 2020, 07:28:34 AM
That is saying that the Indian women envy the English women for their  seemingly easy life,  the men taking more work,  (while the Indian men seemed lazy and forced the squaws to do more of the domestic labor)    But when the Indian men came to fetch their squaws from the houses of the English women,  the woman having a pot of stew on the fire with ladle handy threatened to throw boiling liquid at the Indian man,   who apparently was in no gentle mood toward his mate. 

The Creator gave humans brains instead of pockets.   Gave them the ability to use tools and make pockets or bags for themselves if they wanted a container to carry things.  He gave us tender feet instead of hooves,   and figured we could make our own foot protection.   He gave us no fur for a coat,  but instead intelligence to make coats for ourselves to insulate against the cold. 
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on February 10, 2020, 02:28:24 PM
One need not wear pants to have a pocket, although we'd call it a pouch. Indians used them to their fire-making outfit, pipe and tobacco (the habit of smoking tobacco came from American Indians, you know), good luck charms and I guess their pocket change. They wore a loincloth and sometimes thigh-high leggings, neither of which have pockets. Otzi the unfortunate iceman had one, too. Modern day mountain men carry one they call a possibles pouch. I mentioned carrying only house keys and pocket handkerchief myself but I really don't like carrying things in my pants pockets. But a pouch requires at least a belt or shoulder strap.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: Bob Knows on February 10, 2020, 05:46:50 PM
One need not wear pants to have a pocket,

Traditional Scottish outfits with kilts and all often includes a pouch or "sporran" hanging on a belt. 
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on February 10, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
I wore a kilt in my wedding.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: John P on February 10, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
I think it was routine in an English house back in the 1600s for there to be a pot of water over the fire all the time. There was always a need for hot water for some purpose or other--cooking or washing, or repelling an unwanted visitor! I think "liquor" in Wood's account just meant "liquid'.

Dan and I went for a hike yesterday with some shopping beforehand, and we both went into the store in our skirts. We shopped again today, but since it was a shopping trip only, I wore shorts, though Dan is a skirtman all the time. I'm not totally comfortable in public places with a short skirt on and no undies! Also lack of pockets is indeed a problem. One needs a reticule I suppose.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on February 11, 2020, 01:11:54 PM
If you lived in a house with a wood-burning stove and no water heater, as I have, you'd always have a kettle of water on the stove.

Speaking of skirts, some of those Utilikilts have pockets and some are virtual bins. Also, back when kilts were actually worn into battle by highland infantry (until around 1940), soldiers were sometimes issued with a kilt cover, referred to as an apron. Some were actually an apron, covering only the front, and some were full-coverage, going all the way around. Either way, they had a pocket in the front, right about where the sporran would hang. There would have been a time when trousers, pantaloons and whatnot may not have had pockets but I don't know when pockets first appeared in pants. At least one reference I have seen said that a sporran was originally for holding ammunition. Some of the more decorative sporrans in the Victorian era wouldn't hold much of anything.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: jbeegoode on February 11, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
Poor quality of water was compensated, with fermentation, like wine, BEER or tea. It would make sense to have hot safe water on the fire. Why wait for the water to boil, before drinking?
Jbee
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: BlueTrain on February 11, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
Where I lived in the country in 1964, the water was not boiled before drinking. It came either from a cistern (which someone else had a stronger pull on, if you follow me) or a spring. There was nothing "upstream" to pollute the water. But that was then. Don't know about now. My father died over 20 years ago and the property isn't in the family anymore. Around there, however, the chief health problems were from where people worked. Since men are more likely to work under poor or unhealthy conditions (even though factory work is woman's work!), that may help to explain why women live longer.

In some places, a source for water can be problematic. Good water doesn't just fall out of the sky, you know. More rivers seem to be polluted than not and the average home wouldn't have the facilities for purifying the water. And plenty of water isn't always available year round sometimes because of extended dry weather. It also matters how many are actually obtaining water from a particular source. That's what I meant by having a stronger pull. Another party that drew water from the cistern was further down the hill and when they turned on the water, it went to their house. Surprisingly few people there had a well but I understand that mining ruined the ground water by lowering the water table. I can only imagine what conditions are like in the plains or the southwest. But I never heard of anyone becoming ill from the water there. It was not exactly a heavily populated area. Other places have other problems. Everyone using the same dipper for drinking was not unusual, by the way, or considered a bad thing to do.
Title: Re: What’s in your Pants?
Post by: Safebare on February 12, 2020, 01:15:50 AM
Pollution of ground water and other water supplies continues to be a significant concern just about everywhere or anywhere. I was delighted to have reliable water from the well on property when I purchased the current home. After the last flood, many wells were contaminated from pollutants entering the wells that flooded. We faired better.
Then, last weekend I learn that an EPA Superfund Site is only 5.7 miles away. 🤮🤮
It's an old dry cleaning operation that disposed of the chemicals in their septic drain field, contaminating the ground water below.
Luckily it is downstream and the plume is not threatening us. But, it makes me wonder. It's probably time to get another water test.
~Safebare