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Naturism => General Naturism Discussion => Topic started by: HairlessNude on August 28, 2015, 02:52:06 PM

Title: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: HairlessNude on August 28, 2015, 02:52:06 PM
Do you worry about being caught on game/trail cameras?
I've thought about it in the past & have kind of kept an eye out for them while I walk thru the woods. As far as I know, I haven't been caught on one yet, but you really never know. They can be well hidden & we would never know unless someone revealed what they found when they checked their camera.

What just brought this back to mind for me was that I have a couple cameras set up on my property & checked one today. Guess what? I had not even given it a thought the other day when I was out working my field.

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There were several more revealing pic's too, but I figured these were good for now.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on August 28, 2015, 03:06:50 PM
That thought crossed my mind the other day as I hiked through some hunting areas set aside by the state. I really don't know if the cameras are more of a private reserve thing as much as a public hunting area. My feeling is that others would know the places to set up cameras so they could be ripped off on a public setting. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on August 28, 2015, 08:39:15 PM
I had a game trail camera for a couple of years.  I set it up on my land to see if anyone else was about.  I got some photos of myself on my summer walks, and some deer, but that's about it except for lots of tree pictures on windy days.

I would not be surprised to learn that hunters or wardens, etc., have set up cameras on other trails.  Doesn't matter though. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on August 28, 2015, 09:27:38 PM
The forest service is not interested in anything more than keeping the place intact for generations. The nudity issue is just extra work, issues and controversy that they could do without. If they are monitoring game, then it might be good for them to see lots of naked hikers, have a few laughs at the office and relax about nudity on the public lands. Maybe they would feel a bit guilty about intruding on peoples privacy and take that attitude the next time restrictions came up.

Busted your self on your own land!  :D I gather that you have a relatively private abode, to be engaging in nude tractor riding. Nice.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: HairlessNude on August 29, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
I don't have a large piece, but behind the house it's completely surrounded by woods. It used to be thick brush, but as the years passed it has become more open woods. I'm starting to be able to see thru the woods to a nearby power line that get's used by atv'rs, dirt bikers & hunters. I've taken the attitude that if someone sees me back there, they are intruding on my privacy & I don't really care if they see me. I am not aware of anyone ever seeing me out there, but it could have happened.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on August 29, 2015, 06:40:45 AM
My free ranging is usually urban rather than rural, and increasingly one has to be aware of domestic CCTV. However, having recently installed a camera myself after my van was broken into I've realised that this sort of recording is probably never played back unless there is a known incident - such as a van break-in - to be looked for. My system starts recording when it detects movement; when I first installed it I looked at a few of the results and got only neighbourhood cats! In truth I prefer the camera acts as a deterrent rather than to catch someone after the event.

Regarding road, or even dirt track, users seeing you in passing, my urban exploits have shown that drivers are too fixated on their road ahead to look either side, and when travelling at speed they have time to register the details of what's there if they do look. Try it yourself from the driving seat sometime.

Peter
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: JOhnGw on August 29, 2015, 09:25:27 AM
I can thoroughly endorse Peter's comments about drivers and other car occupants, often standing where I am shown in this picture when unexpected fast moving vehicles pass. The gate posts provide perfectly adequate cover.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2804/4519055278_ca5011c23a.jpg) (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2804/4519055278_ca5011c23a_b.jpg)

As far as cameras are concerned,I am sure I have been regularly recorded in urban settings such as by the camera between the first two lamp posts in this picture.

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Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: reubenT on August 30, 2015, 02:40:31 AM
with huntin club leasing a couple thousand acres next to us,   gettin caught on a game camera is a possibility.  I did find one out there once on other land way over the other side of the canyon,  but was clothed at the time.     I figured I could live with the slight risk.   It'd be the huntin guys looking at the pictures,  and if they found me passing naked on foot or on a horse it wouldn't matter anyway.   I figure if anything ever comes back to me I'd treat it as no big deal.   "yah?  so what!   not the kind of buck you were hoping to see."
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on August 30, 2015, 03:25:12 AM
My free ranging is usually urban rather than rural, and increasingly one has to be aware of domestic CCTV. However, having recently installed a camera myself after my van was broken into I've realised that this sort of recording is probably never played back unless there is a known incident - such as a van break-in - to be looked for. My system starts recording when it detects movement; when I first installed it I looked at a few of the results and got only neighbourhood cats! In truth I prefer the camera acts as a deterrent rather than to catch someone after the event.
Peter

Yes, we who get naked in towns and cities are likely to be caught on video equipment that now is ubiquitous.   I often doff my clothes in a parking lot before getting into my car to drive home naked.  BINGO!  I'm on video surveillance.  But NOBODY gives a rat's behind if some old guy gets naked.  If anything it gives some low paid functionary a chuckle, and perhaps permission to try it next time. 

bottom line:  Nobody cares if they see a photo of a human being.   Everyone enjoys the photo.  Nobody gets uptight about it. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: balead on August 30, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
My free ranging is usually urban rather than rural

Why is that Peter - and I assume that's at night?

I used to walk around my neighbourhood naked on warm nights. There is a sense of empowerment in getting away with it without being seen, but I haven't done it for a long time now. It no longer seems worth the risk. I much prefer daytime rural.

when travelling at speed they have time to register the details of what's there if they do look.

I think you mean "no time to register..."  :)
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on August 30, 2015, 02:48:50 PM
Now that I have retired and to be honest don't care if I'm seen or even if it's known that there are naturist tendencies there is little or no fear of cameras. There is no reason to broadcast my personal beliefs to the world but there will be no denying them. That being said I fear the greater danger for those who have something to lose by being found out need to fear drones more than the stationary cameras. The types of cameras in the city proper are only looked at if they might help solve a crime, as for the game cameras I agree with Bob. Someone might get a kick out of seeing a naked person but that is as far as it would go.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Nightwalker on October 01, 2015, 05:43:42 AM
It's funny, really, coming across this just now. I'm currently living in Saskatchewan, right in the middle of the southern part of this Canadian province, and I've done some freehiking this year. Among other things, I came across a hunter's "tree blind"--basically, a ladder to a perch in the tree, for those wanting to shoot a deer.

I couldn't resist snapping a quick photo of me on the ladder in the altogether -- but now I'm wondering... Was I captured by another camera?
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on October 01, 2015, 04:23:57 PM
I couldn't resist snapping a quick photo of me on the ladder in the altogether -- but now I'm wondering... Was I captured by another camera?


I try to remember to watch for trail cams, but I've never found one other than my own (it broke).  Some of the new ones i see on TV shows are small and easy to hide, unlike the bulky ones from ten years ago.  We may walk right past them and never know. 

Bob
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on October 01, 2015, 05:15:48 PM
I still haven't noticed any cameras in the areas I visit nor has there been any evidence of anyone using tree stands. Not being familiar with the rules maybe those things are outlawed until hunting season officially begins? I have seen postings on Facebook pages where guys got photos on their own land but nothing I recognize from my favorite places. It's beginning to become that time of the year as the local police issued their yearly warnings about deer-vehicle collisions.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on October 01, 2015, 06:17:13 PM
It is nearly inconceivable to me that there are so many deer as to create problems. I have always thought of people coming out here in the west to hunt from other states. I have had no idea.

So, why do they issue warning at this time of year? Deer on the move? Plentiful, as the spring young have grown? Migration because of weather?
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on October 02, 2015, 04:08:40 PM
The problem Jbee is two fold. Yes, the deer are moving because it is mating season. That added to the semi urban setting here the deer seem to know that the houses offer protection from the hunters plus an ample food supply with all the ornamental shrubbery. Throw in a few speeding vehicles with the loss of footing by the deer on paved surfaces it could spell disaster. The insurance companies sometime publish figures as to the amount of money the collisions cost and if they do I will place an addendum here. If my memory is correct I think the state of Ohio leads the nation in such accidents.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: HairlessNude on October 06, 2015, 03:00:18 PM
Game cameras are not at all uncommon around here,  but I keep an eye out for them when I'm in the woods.

As far as vehicle/deer collisions, this area is really bad this time of year. People don't so much ask if you've ever hit a deer. Instead they ask how many deer have you hit? I got three myself, just last fall. Two with my work trucks & one with my pickup truck. I have kind of lost track, but think my total deer road kill count is 13 or 14 now.

This is in the northeast PA/upstate NY area.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on October 06, 2015, 03:20:48 PM
My Facebook has exploded with pictures of deer taken this first few days of bow season. So things are in full swing here but I haven't heard any reports of any deer/vehicle collisions yet but I'm sure they'll be posted soon. A few years ago we had a number of malnourished deer around until they opened up some areas for bow hunting only, with completion of a hunting course and a special permit. Without any natural predators the population exploded making it a real challenge to drive at night. In fact one time I had to chase them off our driveway so the misses could get to work!

Anyway, since I can't go to the wildlife areas anymore I thought I'd share some pictures taken a few months ago. Now to see if any game camera pictures show up on the internet.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on January 31, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
The first person I thought of was Bob as it seems he has the home area on which to do this however to relate a story read elsewhere. There is a couple that own quite a lot of acreage and they like to walk it nude when the weather permits. On one occasion they noticed a game camera mounted on the neighbors property aimed at their land. When asked to realign it the neighbor replied that their children liked to see the wildlife pictures and no they were not going to change it. It has begun a discussion of the legalities and the couple being spied upon must be snowbirds as they are going to check their legal standing in the spring. Myself, I'd go about business as usual and let things fall where they may. I feel it would fall more into an invasion of privacy thing if the camera were set up to catch them in the act of being naked. It was stated that the tract of land in question is seven acres and that it would be cost prohibitive to build a fence for privacy. If there is a resolution or if anyone has comments as we are currently looking at a five acre plot and I have much the same intentions.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: JOhnGw on January 31, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
Does it really matter if they see you naked on the recording? My thoughts are that there is no difference between seeing you naked and seeing you clothed so it is simply whether there is any presumption of privacy involved.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on January 31, 2016, 07:07:47 PM
On one occasion they noticed a game camera mounted on the neighbors property aimed at their land.


My land is all visible from one or the other of my neighbors' lands.   When I'm out walking the land naked all summer I occasionally have encountered neighbors out walking their lands.  I can also be seen from a couple of neighbor's houses if they happen to be looking out the window at the time I walk past. 

Seems to me that the above story about the game camera on the neighbor's property is not much different from a neighbor seeing him from the neighbor's property.   If one is going to be out naked within sight of someone else's home or property then you are allowing yourself to be seen naked.  In my way of thinking that is a plus, to allow the neighbors an opportunity to see real human beings for a change.  I often walk where I might be seen and not be arrested.   

If I found that someone put their camera on my land then I would get excited.  This is all speculation because while I have been seen by neighbors, I have not noticed any cameras. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: John P on February 01, 2016, 04:42:15 AM
I do believe I know the origin of the story about the couple with "quite a lot of acreage"!

If they don't mind the neighbors seeing them, I doubt if they'd be in any danger of prosecution in any U.S. state. It might not be legal to be seen naked by "the naked eye" so to speak, but being in view of someone's camera puts you in a more remote position, where it's more likely a case of being a victim of another person's intrusion.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on February 01, 2016, 03:37:09 PM
Interesting case, of neighbours watching one's land by camera. As Bob says, it's no different from being seen with the naked eye, but ... If the neighbour's naked eye is present one can choose to interact or not with said neighbour. But the camera is presumably watching even if the neighbour is out of the country, and /or may be on motion-detect (for the wildlife) so is recording one without human intervention and any interaction is one-sided.

The neighbour's assertion it was for the children to see the wildlife adds another dimension, our old friend the "what about the children" cry. Children watch the camera footage and see naked grown-ups. Parents then complain their children have been despoiled. Officious law officers take the parents' side, and only after a long and expensive court battle does the right to privacy (with luck) win out over the "protection" of the minors.

peter

Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on February 01, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
I went back and reread the post from another forum. In it he stated that if the neighbor saw nude pictures he would contact the authorities. Personally I feel that this could be more of a high tech peeping Tom case however as pjcomp pointed out it could be a long and expensive court battle. I will be interested to see how this resolves itself when the home owners return from their winter home.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on February 01, 2016, 06:38:06 PM
Does the camera record, or is it remote, sending the information to a recorder? If the previous, I'd find myself with a brand new camera to profit by, of course covering my tracks. I figure that there is justification to confiscate the intrusion to my privacy and disappearing cameras make a strong point of that principle. These people are imposing a dress code on another's land...NO WAY.

I don't see it as a matter of intentional exposure, it is a Peeping Tom. Even in this conservative state run by a nutjob legislature, there are statutes in concern for a reasonable expectation of privacy. It is not illegal to be nude just about anywhere. It becomes illegal to be seen nude. How reckless is anyone or anything found on the screen of a SPY camera?

They may have legal recourse to press charges on these inconsiderate neighbors. I'd sure like to know how it turns out.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on February 01, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
Does the camera record, or is it remote, sending the information to a recorder? If the previous, I'd find myself with a brand new camera to profit by, of course covering my tracks. I figure that there is justification to confiscate the intrusion to my privacy and disappearing cameras make a strong point of that principle. These people are imposing a dress code on another's land...NO WAY.


That was my thought after reading other comments.  The camera focused on my land may disappear, and its recorder become erased.  I might even trespass on his land to come up behind the camera and not be photographed.  Look carefully for the other camera watching the obvious camera.   Somehow cameras set to record Bigfoot often become damaged but don't record who did it.  If Bigfoot can fool them it can't be that hard.   

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I don't see it as a matter of intentional exposure, it is a Peeping Tom.


A while ago there was a court case from Florida (where else) where someone video taped a neighbor doing sex in a position that could be seen through a glass door.  The erotic couple was arrested and charged with public indecency, but after lieyers got through with the evidence it turned out that the camera guy was taping from a long way off with a long lens.  The original charges were dropped and he was charged with a "Peeping Tom" crime. 

Being naked in the woods is not criminal here, or in many other places, but over zealous police can make a mess of your life.  Their job is to destroy us and the law is often irrelevant.  I don't have to worry about getting fired from a job or such like that, and they view old people as "eccentric."  I can understand the caution of other people who don't want a camera focused onto our property. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: milfmog on February 01, 2016, 08:18:55 PM
I am not generally a fan of using guns to solve problems (something that the film industry seems to think is the best option). However, I can't help wondering whether it would be interesting to test the game camera's response speed by seeing if it could get a shot of the bullet just before the lens broke...

Have fun,


Ian
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Davie on February 01, 2016, 08:34:48 PM
Shoot from outside the camera angle or the last thing it records may be the one firing the gun!

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on February 01, 2016, 11:11:48 PM
Shoot from outside the camera angle or the last thing it records may be the one firing the gun!

Davie  8)

The motion sensors that trip the camera into action have a limited range.   One may be able to fire from 100 feet away and not be within range.  The speeding bullet would likely not be large enough to trip the sensor, but I'm not sure about that.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2016, 05:31:41 PM
Maybe hire someone else to jump the fence while you're away? Would Cousteau come a knockin'? Could you hold a straight face when asked? A Can you act? Would a swat team come barging in, breaking everything in harassment in the disguise of gathering evidence? Train a bear to eat it? Build the ugliest cheapest privacy fence ever. Drone warfare?

The crime of the century! Remember, "Alice's Restaurant." Just how rural is it?
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on February 02, 2016, 05:40:50 PM
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The motion sensors that trip the camera into action have a limited range.

The trouble with motion sensors is that they sense motion - and in countryside that will include trees and bushes, so there probably isn't an "out of range" safety zone. On the other hand if the recording is motion-activated it's probably, therefore, permanently recording and filling up the recording medium.

peter
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on February 02, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
I would like to know more such as which state it is in plus the laws concerning nudity and privacy. If it is a motion controlled detector good chance it would not even get tripped from the property but if it is remote controlled and can be focused that could make a difference. much like the woman who complained that people were having sex in a hot tub. When the policeman arrived to investigate he couldn't see anything. The complainer said "you have to use binoculars". Little details change everything.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on February 02, 2016, 05:48:08 PM
The other possibility is to go out and deliberately walk past the camera naked several times a day until your neighbor gets tired of seeing boring photos of some ordinary guy walking in the woods. 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on February 02, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
The other possibility is to go out and deliberately walk past the camera naked several times a day until your neighbor gets tired of seeing boring photos of some ordinary guy walking in the woods.
Walk by naked and bend over to pick something off of the ground.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nuduke on February 02, 2016, 09:29:11 PM
If we're talking invasion of privacy, it won't be long before the courts are full of cases of people snooping on each other from remote control drones.  This worthy innovation is now becoming cheap enough for the prurient, high handed neighbour of ordinary means to afford to spy on adjacent property. 

I have read about cases that are precedents for this where one neighbour, harassed by another or annoyed by his neighbour's kids looking over his property from their trampoline, has photographed or filmed the harassment or intrusive looking to gain proof/evidence and the police have taken the view that filming is a more serious intrusion and have threatened the defending accuser with action to restrain their photography.  As one complainant put it  (paraphrase) - your neighbour seems to have every right to harrass you but when you seek to gather evidence, you are against the law.  In the UK the law does not have a concept of a clear right to privacy on your own property.

John
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on February 03, 2016, 06:36:53 AM
The law here (USA) generally sits around the interpretation and previous cases that if you build a fence for privacy on your property, you have a reasonable expectation. Standing behind a building out of sight there is a reasonable expectation of privacy, if discovered. Sometimes the law doesn't protect and you have to accommodate its shortcomings.  ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on March 08, 2016, 12:25:15 AM

I found this advert for defense against drones.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1985644-video-projectile-launcher-takes-down-drone-with-net-missile/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Postcron.com
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nuduke on March 08, 2016, 01:34:13 PM
Yes, drones are an approaching sociological problem area alright...But...they look great fun to fly!
John
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on March 08, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
I was in the parking lot in Oro Valley yesterday and came across a sign which said, actively video monitored. Creepy, yet more secure. My homeless friend told me that Walmart is a very safe place to leave your bicycle with gear. All of the thieves know about it and stay away.

The upside could be a new sport. Naked drone bagging! MAybe I could start a website!?!
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Nightwalker on March 25, 2016, 05:35:18 AM
Funny, when the subject of drones came up, I remember a post I did at SNS. I was on a rural hike, down a vehicle-maybe-every-25-minutes gravel road in Saskatchewan, Canada. I was in the rather deep ditch, where even the driver of a 4x4 would only catch me from the shoulders up, if that.

Nearing a river bed where the road gave out, I was about to peel off when lo and behold, a drone WITH CAMERA zipped right overhead. The owner/operator and his wife and kid were apparently just down the road. I believe he was wearing some kind of video head gear while operating the thing.

It just goes to show, you can never assume these days that you are really alone, even in the middle of nada.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on March 25, 2016, 10:03:05 AM
There's another side to the drone debate, for anyone worried about being spotted while out nude hiking (nuking?). Take a drone. Fly it on ahead to scout out the area and see if any encounters are imminent. Just a thought ... The downside is that it's more electronic intrusion cluttering up an otherwise enjoyable naked ramble.

peter
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: JOhnGw on March 25, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
I'd prefer to stay light and rely on my SN-craft (or should it now be called FRN-craft?).
It is probably just as reliable as any technical solution.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on March 25, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
I think that they are training eagles in Belgium to destroy unauthorized drones. Maybe I could train a falcon to hike with me and take care of any pesky drones?
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on March 26, 2016, 06:48:07 AM
Now that's a much more Eco-friendly idea!
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nuduke on March 27, 2016, 09:05:09 PM
Good idea Pete, but I'm with JOhn.  Travelling light is better naked. 

However, as drones get better & better, you never know a technologocal solution might become available - we might be able to carry an SN scout drone smaller than a cellphone and receive its live video recon on said phone.  Maybe some enterprising soul will invent a pocket signal jammer for the video and/or the control signals of snooping drones.  Failing that, a volley from a 12 bore might create interesting and challenging flying conditions! :)

John
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: JOhnGw on March 28, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
Most of the latest drones have an automatic return to base function which automatically triggers if it loses signal.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on March 28, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Most of the latest drones have an automatic return to base function which automatically triggers if it loses signal.

So we will have a signal interference device to enable the "return to sender" mode?
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nuduke on March 28, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
I saw an interesting tech programme on BBC News Channel (Click) today that was all about drones and had an article on the eagles being trained to grab offending drones out of the sky.  Amazing.
The other things that struck me were a) the huge proliferation of the things for commercial and hobby uses and b) the vast number of things being developed to knock drones out of the sky.  Apparently they are already becoming a nuisance to aviation and invading privacy enough times for several types of commercial deterrents to be in active development or production.
Progress, eh?

John
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on March 28, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
Most people appreciate their privacy for various reasons, even the US Constitution has provisions coming out of the revolution. Privacy issues are rocking the government and internet today, thanks to our dear Mr. Snowden. We voted out CCV traffic cameras in the last election hands down. These nuisances will have to fight uphill all the way, once a few violations become known. This is one thing that protects us naturists.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: MartinM on April 01, 2016, 08:27:31 AM
'Nuisance' to aviation? With a number of close encounters already, I can't imagine that a UAV sucked into an engine would only be a nuisance........ 

I do wonder whether I have already turned up on someone's video trap, a more unusual wild animal caught in their collection! Problem is when someone decides to sell these to TV companies, or worse still if they take to the police suggesting there is some crime occurring and the latter decide they should investigate, when they have no doubt better things to do. Not that I have heard of either of these happening yet as a result of an unmanned trap.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on April 01, 2016, 04:25:01 PM
Most likely is for such footage to appear on You Tube, in which case the chances of it being seen are remote given the gazillions of clips uploaded every day. Though there have been a few cases of late - some talked about here - of pictures being channelled to the local paper who then make something of it.

peter
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 01, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
I would say the biggest fear in being caught on camera is that of being recognized. Many of us (as a collective group and not just members here) stand to lose both socially and professionally. There have been a number of educators on other forums that have expressed concerns that if what they do in private were exposed it would ruin their carriers.

As for You Tube it is a point well made Peter with all the clips uploaded who would ever see it. Our local papers anymore are nothing more than a copy of newsfeeds from the AP with little local reporting. It takes months to get wedding pictures published. And local law enforcement could care less about an image of a nude person in the wild unless there were something more sinister attached.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on April 01, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
I would say the biggest fear in being caught on camera is that of being recognized. Many of us (as a collective group and not just members here) stand to lose both socially and professionally. There have been a number of educators on other forums that have expressed concerns that if what they do in private were exposed it would ruin their carriers.

As for You Tube it is a point well made Peter with all the clips uploaded who would ever see it. Our local papers anymore are nothing more than a copy of newsfeeds from the AP with little local reporting. It takes months to get wedding pictures published. And local law enforcement could care less about an image of a nude person in the wild unless there were something more sinister attached.

Good perspective about Youtube.

Educators are vulnerable, if the kids get a hold of nude pics and distribute them. There is a possible loss of respect, or control. You can't always stand up for yourself, your rights, the practical harmlessness of nudity without appearing an advocate teaching something unauthorized. If that public overreaching, defensive of children minority pops up in arms, there could be morals accusations. Sometimes they won't just let it go to the thought of just someone without clothes enjoying that. It has to do with the "But what about the children" hysteria.

The flip-side would be Dennis Craig Smith, who told me that he taught 5th grade for 25 years, was an open naturist and wrote the book, "Growing Up Without Shame."

I fail to see how it would effect other professions such as medical professionals. Many have morals clauses in their contracts to protect the company from embarrassment, but when would it be important enough to be of concern? In this day and age of mass media, simple nudism is known as harmless and common place. Has anyone heard or read of any such persecution of a medical professional? I for one haven't. Engineers, I believe, are immune.

The local newspaper reporter who was jerking himself on the hood of his car in the Wallymart parking lot late at night in front of the cameras, that was something else. He was written about in his own paper, fired and lacked credibility anymore. Lost his job, his prescriptions for his schizophrenia was interrupted with his lost insurance, he lost it, poor functioning for months, life became a mess.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: JOhnGw on April 02, 2016, 09:21:16 AM
The only case of an educator losing their job that I am aware of was hounded out of their job by neighbours who objected to naked sunbathing in their reasonably private garden.
The police and school authorities were totally dismissive of the complaint, supporting the teacher who had always been perfectly open about their naturism.
I understand that they continued to hound the teaches after they took early retirement and that they now face prosecution for harassment.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 02, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
Judge, jury and executioners? We have had a few misguided church groups that have tried to force their moral values by public shaming. Karma has a way of sorting it out however. Stories have circulated through the gossip grapevine but never seen anything where the hypocrites were exposed.

Morality clauses are another thing. Much like nudity laws often they are enforced at the whim of the of the person in charge. I am surprised at the school authorities supporting the teacher JohnGw, it seems any improprieties here would be cause for dismissal. Our school boards don't like to deal with those types of things. Easier to invoke the morality clause and terminate their employment.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: MartinM on April 03, 2016, 09:35:38 AM
The climate is generally I think less moralistic in this country, and freedom of expression is probably better catered for. Moralistic rules enforced on teachers which applied out of school and in private situations would breach protections on freedom of expression and the right to a private life.

While teachers and others dealing with children may need to tread carefully, I do not see how a school could legally enforce rules which discriminated against private naturists. Perhaps a different matter if they took part in a local naked protest and were seen to 'bring the school into disrepute'. I suspect the bigger concern would be if pupils got hold of naked photos.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nuduke on April 05, 2016, 09:37:56 PM
I've been seeing ever more TV programmes where aerial and tracking shots from above but low altitude can only have been done from a drone.  As such the drone cameras are making a very desirable contribution to TV!
John
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 07, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
I went back to my latest hangout yesterday with the idea of putting the kayak in the water to follow up on some tips from a couple I had met the other day. Not noticed before was a sign at the pay station that said "park under video surveillance"!  There has been mention before of the nudity being prohibited signs but the first I'd noticed these ones. To continue the story as soon as I paddled from shore there was a buzzing sound and a drone overhead. There is a rental place near there so the journey began with about twenty other kayakers, canoeists and paddleboarders. Soon the crowd thinned out to four of us as we reached an area of open water. Before too long the others turned back and the journey continued to the place I was told about. When I arrived there were what I thought were naked people on the beach but on closer inspection found they had very skimpy costumes. And suprisingly, the couple who had given me directions also were present. With there being more people there than usual they told me it would attract the attention of the rangers so this was the minimum one could wear without getting a citation. With my tan through speedo did I feel overdressed! Still unable to find a nude beach here but was told that the local group has moved their efforts from Fort DeSoto to an area near Clearwater and Dunedin and some off shore islands. Only a few weeks left and time is moving fast.

But on the bright side; some of the islands have allowed me some time to be off the beach and walk around nude for a time. Not like a hike of course and I really would like to get in the water too! There is another place however it is a sandbar only usable at low tide and a little too far out into the bay for me to paddle there comfortably. I have been told a number of boats will anchor there and everyone is nude. Patrols only stop if they detect any illegal activity but leave the nude people alone.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
If they looked nude from a distance, that would attract park rangers, as you say. If nude, you coverup. The rangers can be seen from a distance and obviously they can't see discernible distinct nude activity from there. It would seem that nude and a lookout would suffice. Were you just politely conforming to the overly cautious peers, or do I gather this incorrectly?
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 08, 2016, 01:07:40 AM
If they looked nude from a distance, that would attract park rangers, as you say. If nude, you coverup. The rangers can be seen from a distance and obviously they can't see discernible distinct nude activity from there. It would seem that nude and a lookout would suffice. Were you just politely conforming to the overly cautious peers, or do I gather this incorrectly?
Jbee

As you said Jbee, nude from a distance but I don't have binoculars and my eyesight isn't what it used to be. Yes, there is a bit of caution among those there. I have been told that they use undercover cops, patrols from the water and send out the ranger on the AITV.  Although they usually say just cover up there was an aura of don't make waves. I did politely conform as I am returning home in a few weeks. This is their terrytory.

We has storms go through this morning so the water was too choppy to venture out. So, sun and fun on the beach as there were rip tide warnings.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 08, 2016, 04:42:49 PM
Just a quick follow up to the story. I managed to contact someone who gave me the story on why they just don't go nude with a lookout. Part of the island has been set aside as a wildlife area where birds can nest and turtles lay eggs without any interference from humans. The fear is if the rangers have to make repeated calls that they will just make the whole island off limits. There is also a no alcohol policy and those that were caught drinking loaded up their boat and left. I was far away so I couldn't tell if peer pressure had anything to do with it. Also want to do the story justice in a trip report with pictures when I get to my computer.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on April 08, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
I'm failing to see the logic there. If there is a lookout and cover up when others are around, then a ranger won't be called. If you at first saw nude then closer tiny things on them, then why tiny things at all, just cover up for strangers.

I was told at Black's Beach to please cover climbing the hill by a local, so as to not make waves for trouble to latch onto. I complied to their turf where they live.

The trip report will be fun, I'm sure. The last four days I took notes each day. As I put it into the computer and began trip reports, it improved my memory of anecdotes immensely. I'd love to get your usual details and ambiance, like past reports, but this time, a tropical fantasy of mine comes alive. You are duly encouraged.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on April 08, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
I also fail to see the logic but "when in Rome" was my feeling to the situation. We did discuss the lookout thing so we'll see next trip out. And I keep s journal for those details so now hope the pictures do it justice. The waterproof camera doesn't have many settings to allow for light, shade etc.

You have set the bar high with your reports Jbee, you and DF  have made dull days exciting many times. Great rainy day reading!
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on April 08, 2016, 06:27:58 PM
Many years ago, at the Verde River Hot springs, we would conspire and post lookouts from Feds, and cops. The Fed was on the west bank and the state was on the eastern. We would camp east and cross to the springs. It was instant community.

I remember my young wife, a cute head turning hottie all browned out, was walking across a field of river rock, trapped by the difficult terrain and barefeet all over. A forest service truck came over the ridge, catching her. I stood behind the door putting on pants, she was stuck ambling slowly, a few feet from their bumper. They looked kinda dumbfounded and certainly not offended by the beautiful sight, gracefully balancing on the difficult rocks. "Cover 'em up," the voice called with a smile. They surprised us in our reasonable expectation of privacy.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Peter S on November 09, 2016, 05:11:15 PM

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wildife-camera-trap-shoots-rare-footage-of-naked-human

If you go down to the woods today ...
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on November 09, 2016, 05:16:23 PM

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wildife-camera-trap-shoots-rare-footage-of-naked-human

If you go down to the woods today ...


If someone really doesn't want to be seen naked, he or she should not be wandering around naked.   

I now ignore the ubiquitous video cams, but I still look for trail cams in some areas.

Bob
 
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Davie on November 09, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
A guy with a sense of humour?

This reminds me of a security camera which caught a guy on camera in a lift during the small hours of the night. He rode up and down in the otherwise empty lift completely naked.
 
I was in the Police at the time and we decided there were no offences committed, so we had a chuckle and that was that.

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: eyesup on November 09, 2016, 06:07:29 PM
I agree Bob. Which is why most of us have an idea of what we will say to anyone we may bump into while naked hiking. We accept that possibility.

More common sense in law enforcement, Davie, is a good thing. ;)

Duane
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: nudewalker on June 12, 2018, 09:45:11 PM
Not wanting to start a new thread but I just wanted to add onto this one and tell my story of last Sunday. Much like Bluetrain has spoken of I do frequent Wildlife Management areas for my free range times. On my last travel there another vehicle was parked there, for the first time in the three years since I discovered the place. So I waited in my truck for a while trying to decide what my course of action would be when a couple emerged from the woods. Quite covered I might add as if they have taken the warnings of local so called experts concerning tick avoidance. Also they were carrying a trail camera which they had just retrieved. In a short conversation I found out their area of operation which is near a small pond and a place I avoid because of another pest, namely mosquitoes. So after they left I managed to get in a few hours of nude time, under skies that threatened to open up at any minute.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: BlueTrain on July 07, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
I can't believe I missed this thread.

These days I do most of my hiking in suburban parks, all wooded with fair sized ponds in the middle. Trails and paths vary from paved to non-existent. Year before last (winter of 86-87), they began to allow deer hunting in these areas. Same hunting seasons as elsewhere, only this is in a county with a million people. Hunting with bow and arrow only, of course. Signs are posted, too. That was before I retired, though, so I only went out on Sundays, when there was no hunting allowed. In the area I usually go through, I spotted not one, but two game cameras. Being the nervous type, I avoided them. Last season (87-88), same thing, only no game cameras. Don't know why. But I still refrained from going out except on Sunday. Don't want anyone to say I was interfering with a hunt.

Insects are real bad this summer. Can't wait for cold weather.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on July 07, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
In the area I usually go through, I spotted not one, but two game cameras. Being the nervous type, I avoided them. Last season (87-88), same thing, only no game cameras. Don't know why. But I still refrained from going out except on Sunday. Don't want anyone to say I was interfering with a hunt.

New game cams are small and camouflaged.  They can be very hard to find.

Bob
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: BlueTrain on July 07, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Could be. The ones I saw were large and yellow. I was startled to see them, too. There may have been some there last season that I didn't see but at least the ones before were placed in an area that has a fair number of deer moving around. Foxes, too.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Nightwalker on October 07, 2021, 02:10:12 AM
Well, it finally happened, after more than two decades of freehiking: I encountered my first trail camera! It was right near a hunter's blind (a ladder up a tree, anyway), and it was in a small clearing on a route through the woods I'd never taken before. I actually noticed it from alongside and slightly behind the camera, which was a somewhat technical looking device about the size of a hardcover, strapped on to a tree. I snuck up behind it to look for a lens, and sure enough there it was.

Never one to deny a hunter a good laugh, I returned to my route and continued on by, flashing a peace sign to the camera behind me. I wish I could catch the owner's reaction when they check out the footage! It made my day, and hopefully will make theirs too.
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: Bob Knows on October 07, 2021, 07:12:18 PM
Never one to deny a hunter a good laugh, I returned to my route and continued on by, flashing a peace sign to the camera behind me. I wish I could catch the owner's reaction when they check out the footage! It made my day, and hopefully will make theirs too.

Good response.   Smile and wave.  We don't need to hide.   

I wonder if the cam owner would send a copy if we leave a not with an e-mail address?

Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on October 07, 2021, 07:35:33 PM
Reading about these things I get those "1984" chills, but whenever I have encountered one, its presence is much more innocuous and less threatening. They aren't there for me. If it were there for me, I'd take it home to screw them.

Still, it ain't real organic hunting when using cameras while you sit at home with a BEER, instead of watching listening and being. I guess folks have to work for a living and they like the goal better than the hunt. It's kind of like wiping out the foreplay and taking two minutes for sex.
Jbee
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jmf on October 07, 2021, 11:40:09 PM
A wildlife documentary filmmaker has also used automatic cameras like this to spot wolf passages, here in the Alps in France, before he could film them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX55C-fXuM
Title: Re: Game/Trail Cameras
Post by: jbeegoode on October 12, 2021, 07:41:30 AM
Hum, Perhaps I speak too soon. It is difficult to film such as a wolf. It takes some tracking in remote areas, sometimes. This man plots his marks and sets the camera accordingly to get a good shot.

I'm thinking that it could be very fun to use a hidden camera in the White Mountains where I like to go in the summer.
I like to hike nude in this remote area, very freely. There are wolves about. I hear them calling to each other all around me. I find their tracks. There are many elk in that neighborhood, also. It might be fun to look for this kind of photography as a nude excursion....

I remember the first time that I heard a reintroduced wolf up there. It was something to never forget. Then, a couple of years later, I scrambled in vain for my camera, as a lone wolf ran, seemingly just to joyfully run, across a field near my truck. Missed it.
Jbee