Free Range Naturism

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Title: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 09, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
Is Naturism in Decline?
Looking for somrthing else and found this,
http://www.chatbocks.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4605

I think we were discussing this elsewhere about how many practice nudism, naturism or other variants at home or prefer to go to a CO facility. I can see the advantage of a facility as I would be hard pressed to find the opportunity to walk freely totally naked with the kind of access to be found at a place like De Anza Springs.

It is also just as liberating to find local spots to do the same and to find time and places to do so at home. I think Bob says it well that we should avoid trying to pigeonhole people based on behavior.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 10, 2015, 09:13:09 AM
A nudist or naturist merely defines a part of the person. It is true that these definitions are affected by current clothing obsessed standards, but we are being defined by others. I may be having trouble with this, as I have always seemed to think of myself as a freak, because of my tendency to veer off of the perceived social norms. I’ve never thought of that as a bad thing, because it’s individuality and awakeness. Until we become a known majority, I am figuring that waving a freak flag of a label might be a handy tool to social change.

Another way of explaining this, one might compare the following and apply it to what I’m considering. We have a majority that calls themselves “Christian” in this country. But what does that mean? The spectrum is very “normal” people to fundamentalist, and zealots, and the other side of the spectrum, and amazingly diverse behaviors amongst the whole. Christians even self-label.



 Naturism is in decline?  I don’t believe that is the fact. Organized social nudism is declining. Maybe social nudism is, too. But, people are still being naked everywhere. It is natural.
Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nuduke on September 14, 2015, 01:27:46 AM
Trouble with that thread of posts is that, except for the initial observations that membership in some cases is down, everyone else is data poor and opinion rich.  I don't think any new knowledge was shared in that post except the initial stats which the discussion quickly identifies as possibly being due to a shift in naturist practice rather than a decline per se.  So I don't think you can conclude anything about change in numbers.

John
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2015, 08:54:03 AM
Nude tourism is still thriving and growing, fact. The TNS polling figures go back showing fluctuations, but steady increases of nude behavior.
jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: Bob Knows on September 14, 2015, 06:26:24 PM
Nude tourism is still thriving and growing, fact. The TNS polling figures go back showing fluctuations, but steady increases of nude behavior.
jbee

Membership in AANR and similar organizations has shown a steady decline of about 1% per year for several years, according to them.   There are persistent reports that membership in such organizations is aging and not being replaced by younger members.  And then there are old former members like myself who haven't darkened their doors for years.  Meanwhile there is a lot of evidence that the general public, and especially younger people, are more accepting of human bodies than any time in the past century.  Seems to me that the problems at AANR and similar groups are caused by their own hidebound arrogance.  Too many rules, too willing to dictate what makes a "real nudist,"  too many prejudices and intolerances.  Stephen Gough has done more for nudism in the UK than BN, and they do nothing but attack him.

Seems to me that general "Free Body" or Natural human beings, are becoming more common almost everywhere, everywhere but fenced in reserves of the "hide your body shame" industry.  People are going naked on the streets of New York City, Melbourne, and in the Scottish highlands.  The organizations, the naked farms, need to get with the times or they will become a footnote of history.  New organizations like "Young Naturists" are going their own way.  Just my opinion.



Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nudewalker on September 14, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
Memberships in many organizations have declined. My theory is two fold; one, being the overall "me" generation who don't feel any loyalty and two, the cost/return ratio in that the price paid does not equal or exceed the benefits. I doubt if naturism is on the decline just the organized aspect of it.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Yea, I'm, pretty much with you, all points, Bob. Particularly, "The organizations, the naked farms, need to get with the times or they will become a footnote of history." I feel certain that they will be a footnote in history, but for now, they provide a few harbors in a storm. The travel industry, many resorts, and cruise lines are doing fine, but the demographics are not filled with younger people. The young don't generally want to hang out with people that seem like their parents, until they become parents, or older themselves. TNS is adapting, but they have always been made up of the more free range. The Young Naturists tell us that. They are oriented to the world differently, they communicate differently. The organization is very small, just a beginning. so far. They are the answer to ANRR that TNS was in the beginning.

The new TNS poll has this useful information:
Likelihood of considering a clothing-optional beach skews young. Among the 18-29 year old cohort, 43% said they were likely. The percentage among older cohorts who considered themselves likely remains above the overall average, until the age reaches 65+, where it drops off rapidly.[30-49: 32%,   50-64: 30%,   65+: 10%]

 I see designated reservations as a stepping stone for many and a training camp. This shows the young as more adventurous, in spite of not showering during gym, depictions of nudity as sex, and the repressive timber of the authorities. I think it works like abstinence programs, kids grow and question their world and follow their nature.

In answer to the question, “Have you, personally, ever gone skinny-dipping or nude sunbathing with others?” the stats are up 10% in the last 10 years.

Female clothing is becoming incrementally more revealing as a norm. It has gone from okay to showing your underwear, to okay to be seen in your underwear. Even new fashion often looks like lingerie. Different kinds of body types are becoming popular. They are sparked by, “big butts,” for example. The rampant over weight problems, create a notion of norm that is new. Visions of more “normal’ or “flawed’ bodies instead of media ideal are showing up, without negative stereotypes attached.
Just sayin’ that we’re getting there, ain’t there, but we’ll all arrive.
Jbee
 


Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: Naked_Archer on September 15, 2015, 11:31:38 AM
Memberships in many organizations have declined. My theory is two fold; one, being the overall "me" generation who don't feel any loyalty and two, the cost/return ratio in that the price paid does not equal or exceed the benefits. I doubt if naturism is on the decline just the organized aspect of it.

I think you hit the nail on the head there nudewalker.  For me, in the central belt of Scotland, I'm quite lucky in that there are two naturist swim sessions I can go to.  However they are around 45 to 60 minutes drive each way, for only 2 or 3 hours.  So by the time you add cost of fuel, entry fees, is it good value for money?  Generally yes, but not every weekend!   I certainly wouldn't be wanting to drive for longer than the swim session lasts! 
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: milfmog on September 15, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
Stephen Gough has done more for nudism in the UK than BN, and they do nothing but attack him.

Bob,

I don't know where you have got those two opinions from, but I have to confess that neither one stacks up with my view of things from the UK.
Firstly, I don't think that SG has done anything at all for nudism. Most people seem to think of him either as nutter or an eccentric, but I have yet to hear anyone call him a naturist or nudist and, outside naturist circles, I have not heard anyone express an opinion at all without being pushed into it.

As for BN attacking him, that is nonsense. Some Bn members may have done so, but then some BN members are rabid conservatives and others come from the other end of the political spectrum. All that proves is that naturists come in many shades. The official BN line is largely to ignore him although help has been offered to him by the organisation a number of times and has consistently been turned down.

Have fun,


Ian
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: Peter S on September 15, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
SG has also repeatedly disassociated himself from naturism. In a recent radio interview he described naturists as people who turn up the heating so they can be naked round the house, which he would never do. So although there is much popular confusion between Steve and naturism, ne'er the twain shall meet.

Peter
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 16, 2015, 12:30:06 AM
My impression is that the young people are probably naked more than I am but they are more social in their nudism and do not frequent the resorts. From what I have read they seem to have fewer hang-ups about being naked than older people.

Duane
 
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 16, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: Naked_Archer
I think you hit the nail on the head there nudewalker. . .  However they are around 45 to 60 minutes drive each way, for only 2 or 3 hours.  So by the time you add cost of fuel, entry fees, is it good value for money?

The park where I no longer go naked hiking, was the closest. That’s why I went there so often. Others I have been to can take 45 min. to an hour one way, depending on traffic. I try to stay at least 4 hrs., weather permitting. It’s worth it.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: Dario Western on July 25, 2016, 09:42:53 PM
I don't think naturism is in decline.  Rather, it's evolving as the younger generations are taking it to a different level outside of established clubs and beaches. 
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on August 03, 2016, 05:36:58 PM
I don't think naturism is in decline.  Rather, it's evolving as the younger generations are taking it to a different level outside of established clubs and beaches.
If this is so, then they are scattered. There is no cohesive education or encouragement. I would suppose that the gathering place and the information source would be here on the net for these people. That makes what happens here and on the net the important vehicle to social change.

It would be a good thing to coin the "free range naturism" tag, or term, in the mass media, somehow. The concept found here is aligned with what you call "a different level outside of established clubs and beaches." Ultimately, the ideal is that nudity should not feel like a crime, humiliation, shameful, dangerous, or out of place. Maybe it would be a social faux pas to wear it to a black tie dinner, maybe not. But, good, healthy, well-being and natural are the connotations and images the body deserves. "I'm naked and this is healthy for me. So, I'm doing something good for myself," is a very positive mindset.

It is still important for people to have a solid place to experiment hands-on in. A level of comfort needs to be learned. They need to know and project that naked people are nice people, safe people. That's what the early clubs tried to project as an image to attract people and gain acceptance.
Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on August 09, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
I agree Jbee.

When it becomes unnecessary to tag, label or promote this optional method of living then we won't have to worry about any repercussions.

Are we at the front end of this kind of reaction? Maybe. But not likely. It's a nice image though.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nudewalker on August 23, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Is naturism in decline? Well, the only two people that I know that are or were members of a resort style campground have left or are contemplating not renewing their membership. In the latter case of renewing or not it seems promises were made concerning facility upgrades which have not been done so the cost/benefit ratio is in place here. Besides becoming less of a family oriented and more old folks home feel. As I have only visited once I can't really comment, and I have nothing to compare it to except other textile places we have stayed. Is the additional cost worth being able to walk about freely in the nude? With my limited fixed income and current lifestyle I'd have to say no.

Which brings us to the younger generation and their take. For all that the information age has given it has also taken away. As Jbee mentioned the place for information and gathering should be here yet if you try and search terms such as naturism what does one find? And would the younger generation even understand what naturism is without some type of education. And then there is social media; where unknowns hide behind the keyboards to either body shame or prey on the unsuspecting. 

"It is still important for people to have a solid place to experiment hands-on in. A level of comfort needs to be learned. They need to know and project that naked people are nice people, safe people. That's what the early clubs tried to project as an image to attract people and gain acceptance.
Jbee"

It reminds me of the old college days of "Bare Ass Beach" where it was a known nude area, much beer was consumed, stuff was smoked and there was safety in numbers. A low cost day use spot with swimming, hiking and sunning would be perfect but I'm sure liability issues and insurance would make that difficult to do.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on August 23, 2016, 04:48:04 PM
In a way it's a good trend.

If nudity is part of the younger culture yet they don't pursue organized groups, that could imply they have accepted it as normal as going to a pizza parlor. People don't join organized groups to go eat pizza. Do they?

My kids say they are hanging out when we ask what is happening. If today young people are doing no more than hanging out, whatever that implies, and they happen to be nude, then it has moved beyond something they think needs special attention or treatment.

That is good. It has for those involved, become normal.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nudewalker on September 13, 2016, 04:27:42 AM
This could be interesting. A phone call from the acquantice asking for assistance to move their RV out of the nudist campground they have been in for a number of years. Details when we do the move, first a few things need dismantled such as a deck and storage deck. So it looks as if I'll be busy the next few days. So it's either going to be an addition to the thread here or perhaps a trip report however it plays out. Or both!
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: Bob Knows on September 13, 2016, 04:01:07 PM
I saw this article today.   

Naturism booms in France as young eager to ditch clothes

Published: 13 Jun 2016 15:44 GMT+02:00
Updated: 13 Jun 2016 15:44 GMT+02:00
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Why are more and more people, especially the young, opting to get naked in France? Hattie Ditton finds out more.

    Brits urged to come to France and get naked (13 Apr 16)

The term "naturist" may conjure up the image of jolly elderly hikers walking bare-bottomed clutching hiking sticks - but it might be time to update the stereotype.
 
Indeed, over the past three years, the phenomenon has begun to attract a younger audience according to the the FNN (French Federation of Naturism), seeing many more young families showing up to camps with their children.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160613/young-french-naturists-spark-boom-in-nudism
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 13, 2016, 05:55:17 PM
The past three years there has been the influx and the cultural clashes of muslim peoples. The murders of the cartoonist and then a pair of horrific terrorist events, and the calls to war, are in many ways similar to our 911 trauma's reactions. Having grown up in relative peace at home, I can identify with the behavior of questioning and desire for peace. I came of age in the late 60's, a  time of war  and cultural clash and questioned totally everything. The environmental concerns tend to get people thinking about their own health, the planet's health, and teaching their children these values. My generation saw incredible pollution for profit, trash on the roadways, urban sprawl, worship of Science and Technology,  increasing dehumanization in institutions and mechanization. We looked to our nature, our past, our humanity, a peaceful environment and "teach your children well." So, many of us went skinydippin', the embodiment of freedom and the antithesis to our concerns.

The article states the associations of peace, community, or conviviality, nature and health. The young French have grown up in a war-less socialist environment and now, corporate influence on politicians are working to take much of it away. They are questioning that. Having grown up in affluence, we were faced with having our freedoms taken by a draft and sent to war, we questioned that. This makes sense. Freedom is appreciated, planet and nature is appreciated, much more when it is threatened. Woohoo, for the French kids and their families.

Those ARE HUGE numbers, in a short time. That means a trend in a significant percentage of the rest of the population, too. There must be a wave of related behaviors and attitude accompanying this. These are the more stable, family youth. What could be happening with those less stable and free? AND you all know that once they bite the fruit of the naturist tree, they will be hooked. It will carry out into the rest of the culture.
Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 14, 2016, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Local (FR)
Jacques Freeman, the head of communication at APNEL (Association for the Promotion of Naturism in Liberty) believes that young people are gaining confidence in speaking out against authority on all levels and this is a reason for the increase in naturists.

“Nudity is synonymous with freedom," he told The Local.

“We're currently at a time where there are many questions being asked about the future, work and problems surrounding integration into society are being challenged by young people."

I wonder whether this trend is a direct reaction to the effects of immigrants causing a shift in the culture with regard to the rights of the individual. When a government begins to issue edicts about how people should be dressed it can be alarming.

Combine that with the extreme actions of newcomers because they don't like how the residents of their new home behave and you end up with a pushback that may be intended to counteract the cultural censorship by the minority.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2016, 07:34:47 PM
You picked out precisely the points that I was referring to, but I'm not sure I understand exactly what you meant by your comments.

The gendarmes can be very authoritarian. There is also a civil rights curtailment in France, people respond to that stuff not unlike the hysteria after 911. There it is like a Marshal law and the government has extended these extreme powers. I've read that it is being widely used to stifle political descent, as well as anti- terrorist actions. So, police-state action gets reciprocated as reaction, fueling a general questioning of authority in all matters and many people look for release and at least some kind of expression of freedom where they find it.
Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 14, 2016, 09:16:25 PM
I am all for people moving to a new country to start a NEW life. Not to bring their old life to the new country and attempt to recreate the very thing they claim to be fleeing. That in itself is misguided. I am aware that many are not CHOOSING a new country or life. They are choosing to survive a brutal conflict. I understand that. But at the same time if you decide  to not fight for your life and heritage but to leave, that is a choice to go toward change.

One would think that an immigrant chose the new home because they admired the people and government of the new country. In many places in Europe this is not the case. The new residents are trying to create in the new what they yearned for in the old. That is a recipe for conflict. If you disagree with the culture and government of your new home then pick a different destination.

To enter a new place is to embrace the culture and people of the new home. If you want to live there be prepared to deal with new ideas and behaviors. If you want to dress as you did in "the old country", do so, but don't demand the world be remade in your image. If you are going to try to recreate the old life, that old life will follow you and force you to move gain. Pick a place and prepare to engage with changes about to happen in your life.

When this sort of activity begins to happen in a modern country, the residents will resent being dragged backward in time and culture. They will resent having foreign concepts shoved down their throat. An opposition to that effort may present itself in just the way we are seeing in some places in Europe.

My attempt was to ask the question that the new trend toward naturism was one born out of a backlash at the heavy hand of the government to kow-tow to a minority that is demanding compliance with a culture not native to the new country. Government attempts to placate those that have already rejected the new culture should be met with opposition.

The people that have lived and created the society have a priority over some groups of new and entirely likely, temporary residents. If the new arrivals cannot accept that, offer to send on to newer locales.

Is that a better statement?

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on September 14, 2016, 11:19:40 PM
I get ya, now.

I have often thought of moving to another place or migrating each year, for bodies of water, retirement, adventure in life. I'd still be a citizen of this country and infused with another culture. I always have considered my naturism. In every place, there has been an enclave of ex-patriots that like to retain some of their ways, be it speaking some English, or sharing comminality. I don't see a problem with that. If I were to stay and take political action, I would be crass to do that without being a citizen. I enjoy, Mexican, American, French, Ethiopian, Indian, restaurants, all run by...we are all immigrants here. My home is filled with appreciation for various styles and cultures. I don't have issues with the various ways that people dress and decorate themselves, and their racial background, just treat me the same. If this wasn't the case, then this couldn't be a free country, and it still isn't.

I don't think that culture should be thrust on others. I know that there is nearly always some assimilation and adaptation. That's how I have a home laced with appreciation of other cultures.

I look at alternatives and consider the sameness of some ways there. What would I be willing to give up from home? How could I fit in there? I know that my dollars can go further in many places and in fact give me even more opportunity than a business here. This has been home, but even more, something that I have roots and rights to. The reason l have lived here is the constitutional freedom. Most of that has been eroded away, to the point that I can get this about anywhere. But there are religious, spiritual, freedoms and attitudes and much of the bill of rights that is currently intact to a degree. If you go to this country, or France for economic reasons, who needs you? Looking to citizenship, you need to know the Bill of Rights and believe and be ready to die on those values. Otherwise, if a repressive, authoritative, intolerant way is yours, then head east to Indonesia, or any other muslim country. Who would want opportunist taking advantage of the system?

So I don't particularly respect the French policies of not allowing head scarves in schools, and those outlandish burkinis on the beach. I don't respect cultural traits calling itself religion. I don't respect treating women as anything but equal under the law. I don't care to have more fundamentalist to contend with, after years of getting this general culture less repressed, because of other fundamentalists shoving their religion and sick morality down everyone's throat.

The only reason that these people are choosing to come to Europe and the Americas is economic, if they just don't get the tolerance thing. They are not heading to Africa in mass, or to Southeast Asia in mass. No other countries would tolerate people breaking and disrespecting their laws to hang out.

Isn't that the country where "Vive la différence" came from?
Jbee

 

Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on September 15, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
Oui!

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: BlueTrain on March 09, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
I hope it not too lake to comment in this thread.

Many of the comments have touched on the supposed decline in nudism. I think there are overriding trends that have made the biggest differences.  Speaking only of the United States, I don't think immigration has anything to do with it. Today's immigrants are no different from previous immigrants; they just come from different places. And they face exactly the same attitudes mentioned here that previous waves of immigrants faced from those whose immigrant ancestors came just a couple of generations earlier.

If the 1950s and early 1960s were ever the golden age of nudism, I suppose that's what we would compare things to today. It isn't as clear if you make comparisons to the 1970s and 1980s. So what are the differences, then?

Younger people, which is who we're really talking about, don't join things the way their grandparents did. Perhaps their parents didn't, either. That would pretty much include me. We've always belonged to a swim club and a church. Our two kids, both in the 30s, don't. That all might be part of the so-called "bowling along" culture. It would take a book to explain that and someone else already wrote it. Our grandparents may have complained that nobody goes out dancing anymore, either, and it would be true. There was a time when every hotel with any pretensions had a house dance band. Then came television.

But for outdoor nudity, there are opportunities that didn't exist in the 1950s. There are a few official and a few unofficial but tolerated nude beaches in the country. There were none that I know of in the 1950s. I think there used to be more but from what I understand, a few people who didn't know that sex has nothing to do with nudity and vice versa spoiled it for the rest and they were either shut down or declared adult-only. I also understand that some old-type clubs tended towards a more permissive atmosphere, no doubt because that's what the members wanted. But there were other factors.

The older clubs could be plain and primitive. That won't fly these days with those who expect more. Fancier places that are basically vacation destinations get the nudist dollar these days. And there are destinations, chiefly in the Caribbean, that also cater to nudist and clothing optional vacations. They advertise. The older clubs flew under the radar.

Numbers are always suspect but I also think the younger set is less philosophically oriented towards nudism than practitioners in the 1950 and even less so than those of earlier decades. There are no such discussions here, at least, beyond people claiming how clothes are unnatural. As an argument for nudism or naturism, that's pretty weak. It doesn't follow, of course, that the arguments in 1910 were much stronger and they had much more to overcome in their arguments. Yet, in places, they had better success. The curious thing is, when I've brought up the subject with acquaintances who were German, they always laugh. One reminded me that the current politically correct term is "free body culture." But that was 40 years ago. I wonder what the term was 40 years before that?

You may think that we have less freedom than we used to but from what I see with my own two eyes, there is more tolerance now than ever. Maybe I think that way because a few people I knew when I was little were free with their hateful attitudes. There is no way of putting it in gentler terms.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jaybirdsen on March 12, 2018, 11:24:34 PM
I think it is partly a generational thing and merely transitional.  As young people unless you are born into the naturist lifestyle it is sometimes hard to find or explore.  Most young people now days are too busy trying to get started to think much about naturism.  Its too bad yet it is always that way.  I always had a yen to be nude in nature yet it was not until my mid thirties that I had both the money and time to truly explore nude adventures on a regular basis.

Forgetting all my thoughts here.. yet when I visit Blacks Beach there are all always young people there and I am a member of true nudists and there are always young people signing up for that.  It may be that tech will have to merge with naturism a bit more yet that seems somewhat an oxymoron to me. 
I also read alot about young people with post tech syndrome ditching the social media and moving out of cities to more rural areas.  I'm sure naturism will naturally follow for some.

It is true that most rural nude resorts are way dated and in serious need of upgrades.  It doesn't bother me yet for younger people it probably is noticed.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on March 13, 2018, 06:42:32 AM
I remember living in Houston back in the 70's and 80's and becoming interested in the naked lifestyle. I even did a little research, pre internet days, but I was very busy at the time and just never got around to it.

Maybe you are right.

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: BlueTrain on March 13, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Moving from the city to a rural area is naturism, in a sense, even if it doesn't involve nudity, social or otherwise. It may be superficial, though, if one drives into the city everyday to work. Depending on how far you drive, that could be worse than staying in the city.

Towns, however, small towns, that is, are in a different category, I think. The lifestyle of small towns can be so different from the city--the big city--that makes it more like rural living than the city. Or so I would imagine. I grew up in a small town but I haven't lived in one for over 40 years. They've changed a little since then. Some small towns have become surrounded by the outer suburbs of large cities with all the problems of suburban life, insofar as there are any.

I do agree that when you're young and free, you might be involved in a lot of activities, as I was, that consume all your spare time. In theory, that should not mitigate against a "naked lifestyle." But nudism probably shouldn't be seen as an activity but maybe as a way of thinking. Just don't overthink it.

There has always been a generational thing and everything is always in transition.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on March 13, 2018, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: BlueTrain
". . . nudism probably shouldn't be seen as an activity but maybe as a way of thinking. Just don't overthink it.

Yep, I have learned that!

Duane
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nuduke on March 23, 2018, 09:30:36 PM

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I hope it not too lake to comment in this thread
Certainly not Blue Train...never too late on this forum!  It's nice that 2 year old discussions get brought to the top of the pile again by new thoughts from new contributors and the old contributors can have another visit to the subject and admire each others' deathless prose (not!)
Keep appending!
John

Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: John P on March 24, 2018, 03:32:18 AM
...I am a member of true nudists and there are always young people signing up for that.

People who say they're young, anyway.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on March 24, 2018, 04:16:13 AM
Hey, John P., where ya been? Anyplace interesting?
Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: John P on March 24, 2018, 08:11:24 PM
I don't know, JBG. Somehow I just fell into a slump as far as FRN is concerned. I'll try to keep up some level of contributions from now on!

In fact we did go on a trip. My wife passed a certain birthday which is often taken as marking a person's transition into senior citizenhood, and she wanted to celebrate by doing what retired people do, that is go to Florida. So we flew down there for just over a week (stopping on the way in Charleston SC to see some of her relatives) and rented a car at the Fort Lauderdale airport. We headed to the Keys first, where we wanted to see the Key deer and take a glass-bottom boat trip over a coral reef. The deer are actually just white-tail deer, but they've evolved into a midget race down there, and they're such an attraction that they've become very tame. The only naturist incident was a swim at the motel we stayed at on Key Largo; I was able to leave my swimsuit under the dock, but of course being nude is an infallible magnet to other people, so when I came back I had to risk being seen. But they didn't find me very interesting. Here's a picture of the dock the night before:

(https://i.imgur.com/ogVIox5t.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ogVIox5.jpg)

We did drive down to Key West for a day, but we skipped the rooftop restaurant where you can eat in the nude.

Then we headed north to see the Art Deco district of South Beach, which I enjoyed a lot, then north again to the Fort Pierce area, where we met some friends from our hiking group who spend winters there. We went out to Blind Creek Beach with them, and they introduced us to some of the people in the local group, the Treasure Coast Naturists. I didn't take any pictures, but here's one from a previous trip:

(https://i.imgur.com/rSn3zGWt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/rSn3zGW.jpg)

Then we traveled south again and stopped in at Sunsport Gardens, where the Midwinter Festival was being held, though we just wanted to see friends rather than join in anything. We accomplished that, and I even ran into Nicky Hoffman ("I can't talk long, I'm on my way to the girls' room") and I said we were glad to hear the Eastern Gathering is coming back to Massachusetts, and she said everyone in TNS felt the same! We also met up with a couple of the German guys, Horst and Rainer, who were on last summer's Naked European Walking Tour. And then after one last night in Hollywood (Florida!) with  the rental car GPS dying on the way, we headed back to the Fort Lauderdale airport and home, where it was 68 degrees and we joked that we could have stayed home and been just as warm.

Not a bad trip. We think we might have a Florida vacation every year, like good retired people.

Hey, did you see my letter to the editor in the latest N magazine? Nothing very exciting, but it is on the theme of hiking.
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: jbeegoode on March 27, 2018, 03:40:14 AM
That is a very large swimming hole!

I caught the letter and I'm working up an article for them stemming off of that one.

Snow birds, eh.

Jbee
Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: nuduke on April 01, 2018, 10:43:26 PM

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[font=]Getting old is inevitable...growing up is optional!  (on one of my wife's recent 64th Birthday cards showing 2 white haired elderly ladies flashing their breasts from a motorway bridge)[/font]
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Title: Re: Is Naturism in Decline?
Post by: eyesup on April 02, 2018, 03:24:55 AM
That's right! It's all in your head! :D

Duane