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Title: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on August 28, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
I ran across this concept on another discussion forum.   Its apparently becoming popular on twitter, tumblr, and other places.   I had to Google it.

Permanude comes from some short stores where unruly people can be punished by being forced to be naked permanently or semi-permanently.  Supposedly they can be registered with the government and thereafter are allowed and forced to go without clothing wherever they go. 

Definition of Permanude:  http://talesofnudity.tumblr.com/post/147020460065/what-is-the-definition-of-permanude

Not going on in real life, but the more our youth are fantasizing about going naked all day all over town, the better for nudity in general. 
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on November 30, 2016, 03:36:54 AM
I bumped into Nude World Order tumbler with this permanude fantasy. It is kind of funny, some fun, some a bit sick. I not sure of the demographic. It could be older people, too. Something is keeping the author very prolific and i suppose that that is having lots of followers.

Nude as punishment, can't be good. It associates shame. But there are those who are voluntary and trying to cope and liking being nude. My jury is out as to it being a good thing to promote the idea of free public nudity, or normalizing it in a few minds this way, or getting a charge out of this tumbler, or as a vehicle of social change, or a way to plant seeds.

What a twist though. The government stepping in to regulate naked. How did that idea evolve? AND guess what? The government over regulated and screwed it up! ;D

I dunno. Something in me felt kind of pervy, something else felt guilt for enjoying some of that stuff. It is certainly a twist.
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: nudewalker on November 30, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
I guess maybe kind of  tying a few threads into one (this one, the clothing one and winter) and excuse me for not remembering the place I read this but a short story in a collection of science fiction was about being permanude. Although it wasn't called that when in the future water becomes too expensive for anything other than drinking people could opt out and become nudists to save on resources. The catch being one could only own one pair of shoes and a coat but in return their taxes were lower than the general population so their quality of life was better. Those who chose to become nudies were ridiculed early on but when the general population saw what they could attain with more disposable income, like nicer apartments and vacations, more and more made the move. During the winter doldrums I'll have to search to see if it's still published somewhere.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: nuduke on December 05, 2016, 12:05:31 AM
I found the link to be a dud, unfortunately, Bob.
John
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on December 05, 2016, 03:52:47 PM
The short stories about being sentenced to nudity as punishment seems to have vanished and been replaced by photos.  Not entirely about naturism but an interesting concept. 

Try this link. 

http://nudeworldorder.tumblr.com/

http://nudeworldorder2.tumblr.com/#posts
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: nuduke on December 07, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
The content from those links smack of Clickbait, I would opine, Bob!
Very titillating but hardly brain fodder!  Nudey voyeurism rather than proper naturism.

John
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: reubenT on December 08, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
Common in history a conquered people would be stripped naked by their conquerors in attempt at humiliation.   Which is what Isaiah's naked prophecy was about.   But as a punishment I haven't heard much of, although perhaps it was done on occasion.   The latest prophet of significance has said that some of God's people in the end will be put in prison camps,  their clothing removed for their humiliation,  and killed,  just because they insist on obeying all 10 of the ten commandments,  when the governments are trying to force everyone to obey man's version of them.  (thinking they please God by doing so)   God allows it to happen for some reason.  Final character development and testing perhaps.  But He sends them encouragement and hope in the middle of it,   the view included God sending a couple in to provide food and healing,  going in naked in order to not attract attention.  Although God does hide them so they can walk past the guards without hindrance.   (I'm convinced the dreams Ernie is having are from God because the "tone"  of them as a whole are following right down the line of the ancient prophets, hard on sin [making many people condemn him] and presenting the love of Jesus in that hard to get perfect balance of mercy and justice. Otherwise the details on future events being pictured is amazing.)

However someone imagining permanude, creating scenarios around it, may well have lustful motives.   Although permanude by choice can be done out of enjoyment of the freedom of feeling.    I think I would choose a permanude life if conditions were comfortable for it.  For now temporarinude on occasion is all I can manage. 
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on December 08, 2016, 12:07:43 AM
The content from those links smack of Clickbait, I would opine, Bob!
Very titillating but hardly brain fodder!  Nudey voyeurism rather than proper naturism.
John

Of course its click bait.   But the more people are exposed to the idea of going naked all the time, and the idea that clothes aren't really needed, the better.  How or why they see this idea doesn't really matter. 

Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: JOhnGw on December 08, 2016, 10:00:03 AM
Or - to quote Phineas T Barnum "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on December 09, 2016, 01:20:58 AM
Or - to quote Phineas T Barnum "There is no such thing as bad publicity."


EXACTLY
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: nuduke on December 15, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
Well, I guess so.  I recall back in the day or two...or three ago I expressed quite strong advocacy of any publicity about naturism being a chance to make people consider the business of being naked.  My argument was that exposure (yes, yes, I mean publicity) creates familiarity and people becoming used to the concept, in the same way as, say, the Paralympics have made us much more tolerant and informed about disability, has provided role models for admirable human spirit in the conquering of disability and we are all more comfortable, I feel, with the challenge of seeing disability more, for instance, amputees, deformity and palsy.  In another forum, we are all much more tolerant of homosexuality today and that has been a 50 year campaign by the gay community to dispel the notion of it being 'evil' and to challenge those that tried to hide it or deny it by positive publicity, advocacy and speaking out.  So it should be with the naked community,  relatively benign as our proclivity is, its constant presentation to media audiences in whatever form will advance the cause of emancipation of nudism, little by little.

I didn't think that site was a particularly helpful one in promoting the above, but as you point out, Bob, it was an instance of portrayal of relatively gentle and attractive (bodily) exposure. 

My general antithesis for clickbait is that a) it gunks up the PC and b) it is a coercive, hegemonistic practice that seeks to control our behaviours and force advertising upon us! When we click into a top 20 or a "You'll Never Believe This!" photo montage we are being controlled and channelled in our behaviour by slick, clever, know-it-all, anonymous marketers - and that's anathema to me!

John
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: GentleBen on December 21, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
Actually, the concept seems to have started with a Tumbler blog, then Smashwords stories (I think), then mainly in a series of books by Gloria available on Amazon and other online ebook sellers as well as a couple of other authors. The NewWorldOrder has taken on some of it on their website now, mainly in copies of the Tumbler blogs with photos.

The concept is that the government has setup protected lifestyle laws for ALL sorts of beliefs and ways of living, including nudist/naturists, religious groups, etc. Permanude is a lifestyle where the person enrolling under the Permanude protection MUST be nude at all times, all places (with some allowances for weather, i.e. heavy coats and other cold weather gear over nudity, etc.). Since a person who is always nude WILL have occurrences of sexual arousal (erections, etc. depending on gender), as well as the need to take care of such, the Permanude are not subject to ANY of the obscenity or vulgarity laws (nudists/naturists are, although they can be nude any where, anytime), meaning they can engage in public sexuality anywhere, anytime! People can signup for Permanude status once they are 18 years old, for varying periods (2 years minimum, except for a short term vacation signup, up to lifetime). There are also provisions for being forced into Permanude status as a legal punishment, including as part of jail sentences.

Anyway, it all makes for some interesting and fun erotic fiction, as well as some semi-serious stories on being permanude without the eroticism, by various authors.

Without the sexual part might be of interest to many social nudists...
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on December 21, 2018, 09:29:18 PM
Tumbler is taking down all  nude photos.  The links above seem to  have vanished. 

I did some searching and found Nude World Order  https://www.nudeworldorder.net/blog/page/7/ 

All their stories/photos are young female, but all publicity is good publicity.  Let the millennials fantasize about going naked all the time.

Are there any other Permanude story sites with links? 
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: John P on December 22, 2018, 04:14:38 AM

Welcome to Freerangenaturism, Ben. How about posting a message in the introduction section?

I don't know anything about this Permanude business, but I can't agree with you, Bob. If this Nudeworldorder featured both sexes and all ages, then we could call it an advance, but a presentation of nudity that's overloaded with pretty girls is just showing nudity "same as it ever was".
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on December 22, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
I recall from an article in a nudist magazine from about fifty years ago (you know, the Golden Age of Nudism) discussing why there were so many photos of nice looking, young people in the magazines. The answer was, a picture is worth a thousand words. The stated aim or purpose of those magazines was to increase interest in nudism (as it existed then). There might be some disagreement as to whether or not that was really the aim of the magazines but as far as that goes, they were correct. I don't recall when or how I first learned about nudism (as it existed then) but it was by way of those magazines, or one of them, at least, that I actually made a visit to a club. That club was the Pen-Mar Club in western Maryland. I think some clubs have changed considerably in character since then.

I think the existence of certain photos and videos supposedly blur the distinction between reality and fantasy as well as the difference between acceptable and healthy family nudism lifestyles and what are essentially sex-oriented conditions or arrangements. As it is, the reality itself is hazy enough in some places, even public places where public nudity has been permitted for a few decades. And that is unfortunate for the future of legal public nudity, such as on public beaches. However, as I've mentioned before somewhere or other, I think the general public is fairly accepting of nudism, viewing it as an offbeat thing to do but as harmless as Civil War reenacting. There are of course those who object to anything remotely connected with nudism (think of the children!) and they always have the loudest voices.

What I can't understand is how so-called gentlemen's clubs seem to thrive in places that one would expect the greatest objections would be voiced, places with a lot of conservative or evangelical churches. Some places like that even have liquor stores in the local 7-11 store. Go figure.

As for the young people in the nudist magazines of fifty years ago, they're the same people appearing in nudist magazines today, or so it seems.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on December 22, 2018, 08:58:31 PM
I recall from an article in a nudist magazine from about fifty years ago (you know, the Golden Age of Nudism) discussing why there were so many photos of nice looking, young people in the magazines. The answer was, a picture is worth a thousand words. The stated aim or purpose of those magazines was to increase interest in nudism (as it existed then). There might be some disagreement as to whether or not that was really the aim of the magazines but as far as that goes, they were correct. I don't recall when or how I first learned about nudism (as it existed then) but it was by way of those magazines, or one of them, at least, that I actually made a visit to a club. That club was the Pen-Mar Club in western Maryland. I think some clubs have changed considerably in character since then.

When I was just 18 and graduated high school (55 years ago) I spent the summer working for a boat landing in a nearby resort town.  I stayed in a cabin on the property and found the owner's stash of 1950s nudist magazines.  It may have been the first time I ever saw a naked female, just wasn't done or even spoken about in my family.  Suddenly I was interested in nudism.    My personal adventures had me daring to run naked through the night in town 5 years before that, but I had never dared to think that being naked was accepted by anyone.  Suddenly here were all these women and girls, and occasional men and boys, playing naked without concern.   The magazines worked.  My interest in nudism went up a lot.

Bob
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on December 22, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Mostly, the magazines were intended to increase interest in nudist clubs, to be more precise. The other reason was to give people, presumably mostly men, an opportunity to see photos of nude females, which generally wasn't available in other publications. The degree of censorship varied over the year, of course, and towards the end, they covered all possibilities, including magazines devoted to nudist kids. Then general censorship of "real" men's magazines was lifted and they began to disappear. Later publications were somewhat different. but still tended to feature a lot of photography. "N" magazine is probably the most intellectually-oriented nudist magazine available now. Another is travel oriented and one that I have seen is Canadian, much like "N" but it's half in French. I don't know of any local newsstand where I live now that had any of them, though. One would think Barnes & Noble would carry them, since they carry so many titles. They may but I've never found any.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on December 24, 2018, 06:18:13 AM

...As for the young people in the nudist magazines of fifty years ago, they're the same people appearing in nudist magazines today, or so it seems.

Those young women in old nudist magazine, I hope are the same women in magazines now. The age of the people in "N" mag is more than back in the day. They may well be the same women.... ::)
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on December 24, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
According to one article in 'N' Magazine, at least one is.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on December 24, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
I saw a copy of "N" on the rack at Barnes and Noble several years ago.
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on December 25, 2018, 01:17:48 AM
I have looked at Barnes & Noble but they have so many titles, with sometimes only a few issues each, that it's easy to miss something. The newsstand where I used to find it, along with The Backwoodsman, went out of business. Barnes & Noble may not be long for this world, either.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on December 26, 2018, 10:38:44 PM
I went to Barnes and Noble, but had no luck with "N" magazine. I need to call TNS after the first of the year and will ask if they sell on any news stands, or members only.
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Ed on January 04, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
Unfortunately Tumblr has imposed a no nude imagine policy recently. So let's hope whomever ran that page on Tumblr has set up shop in a different site.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Peter S on January 04, 2019, 11:53:58 PM
Despite the no nudes rule on Tumblr, there are still a lot there. Those I have seen are overwhelmingly non-sexual nudity, though you canít always say the same for the captions.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: GentleBen on August 02, 2019, 04:38:56 AM
To get back to the original post on the Permanude lifestyle, it is all laid out in a continuing series of erotic books by Gloria (the one who started the Nude World Order on Tumblr). The Tumblr blogs have moved to http://www.nudeworldorder.net/blog/, but she is not involved much there. Her books are available on Amazon (and for Nook as well) and reviewed on Goodreads. Search for Gloria Permanude - she publishes about one story a month. Start with the Amy books. There are other authors publishing stories on the Permanude idea, some erotic, others naturist.

Anyway, the posts here about the concept get it all wrong. It's based on the idea of protected lifestyles (LGBT, religious, survivalists, etc.) being extended to the non-sexual nudist and then to sexual nudity in public and established in law. Interesting, fun to think on, and attractive to more all the time.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: John P on August 02, 2019, 08:42:43 AM
I followed the Nudeworldorder link, and my instant conclusion, based on seeing the images and not reading any text, was that it's pornography and nothing else. If there actually is a naturist element, all I can say is it's being hidden to the point where visitors will be driven away before they find it. I have no problems with the existence of porn or sex clubs (or whatever it is that ingenious minds will find next) as long as it's clear what the product is.

Edited to say I just saw my comment on this thread from December, and yes, when we're shown a bunch of pretty ladies with their clothes off, it's just same old, same old.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on August 02, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Re-reading something that I wrote in this thread about the object of the pretty women in the early nudist magazines being to increase membership in nudist clubs, it is just as likely that the object was to increase the circulation of the magazines. But the magazines were interesting and were actually written by real nudists with photos taken in real nudist clubs. That one can figure out from looking for signs and the like in the photos. But that was a long time ago and some clubs have disappeared, new ones opened and the ones that hung on are more upscale these days, which is not necessarily bad. These things happen.

There are or have been a few other magazines that were not connected with national nudist organizations or clubs. "N," is partly like that, although the advertising is clearly from clubs and resorts. There was at least one nudist magazine that was oriented towards travel but I don't recall the name. I suppose there are British and European magazines and there is a Canadian publication that is bilingual.  The more the merrier. Non-nudist travel 'lifestyle' magazines sometimes have advertisements from clothing optional resorts, too. Apparently there might be a larger market for those who prefer non-membership resorts over membership-type clubs.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on August 02, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
I see that it promotes the idea that being seen nude is a shame filled punishment, that being naked in public is naughty fun, that people who register as nudist are just after kicks. Once in a while there is someone who just likes being naked. The whole gamut. I don't think that helps us much, promotes naturism, as much as entertains people living in ignorance of naturism and reinforces their misguided beliefs.

So, I read a bunch of the snaps and I got a kick out of some of it, I got disgusted with some. It is definitely some soft porn. It is popular. Too bad it is so much sick fun.

There is also an element of abuse to it, but then it often strips away and lays bare may disturbing orientations of nudity and sexuality in our society. It is very popular! There are apparently thousands of these produced by the readers.

I seemed to respond to the bold manner that some of the characters wander into a nude lifestyle. Living nude in a textile world is intriguing. I have no idea how I might respond, if given the ability. Here, imaginations give their ideas as to what that might be like. How does one cope with the reservoir of trash that is accumulated inside a mind growing up in a social order that promotes these ideas. Even the most pure naturist, must harbor some of it. What if anti-nudity laws were legally erased and how would that feel? Would it be fun, or inhibiting, or something else.

I think that I may have better things to do with my time.
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on August 02, 2019, 09:15:09 PM
The basic problem is that I don't think it's possible to de-sexualize humans. In a manner of speaking, it wouldn't be natural. But that's not saying we would naturally live in a hedonistic world if we could. But there are places to go for that, I understand. But on the other hand, I don't think we necessarily wear clothes, when we do, in order to de-sexualize us or to control our otherwise uncontrollable sexual impulses. There is that intent, of course, in some cultures, including ours, to attempt to do something like that by regulating clothing, what is allowed, how it's worn and on. Usually, though, the restrictions seem to be more on women than on men, at least in those places where serious enforcement of such restrictions exist.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: John P on August 02, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Not so, Blue Train, but it's a common miconception. Clothing restrictions are vastly more extensive for men than for women, but we're so used to our limited possibilities that we tend to forget them. That's especially true with regard to anything that exposes bare skin--once you start thinking about it, you could come away saying "Our society believes that the male body is hideous, and needs to be totally hidden"

Oh sure, you could tell us a story about girls getting into trouble with their school dress code. And then I'll ask you how many boys in that school would ever wear that kind of clothing, and of course the answer will be that all the boys are pretty well covered up and never have that sort of problem. We know what's expected of us.

But yes, it's true that "in some cultures, including ours, we regulate clothing, what is allowed, how it's worn and so on". I wonder what it means when one gender has so many more restrictions than the other, as far as display is concerned. Some ritualized attempt to regulate male energy, perhaps?
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on August 03, 2019, 12:42:15 AM
Silly me! I thought it was a way for men to control women. What was I thinking?
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Peter S on August 03, 2019, 06:33:13 AM
I think itís about control, full stop, nothing to do with gender. There are plenty of people out there who just like to control the rest of us, to be in charge, exercising the ďfactĒ that they know whatís best for us. Itís one reason the choice of nakedness can be so contentious, as we are taking that control back for ourselves. By enforcing clothing, nakedness can be retained as punishment, a method of humiliation.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on August 03, 2019, 11:13:24 AM
You are correct, of course, about some people wanting to control the rest of us. I think some people are raised that way. Historically, it is obvious; they're the ruling class. I've been in management positions (and the employees were women, too) but I was never comfortable or very good at telling people what to do, which is what it amounts to. I really don't think clothing enters into it often. Worldwide, though, by and large, men control women, even in monarchies when the monarch was a woman. And even that wasn't and sometimes still isn't in some kingdoms. Even a monarchy is a kind of democracy, the only difference being in who gets to vote. It may happen but I'm not aware of any instance in which nakedness has been used as a punishment. The Scarlet Letter is a case in which public humiliation was used as a punishment, only it didn't work out that way.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: Greenbare Woods on August 03, 2019, 07:39:48 PM
John P you are exactly right about western culture believing that men are ugly and forcing us to be almost fully covered from head to foot. I recall when I was in the 6th grade, 12 years old, the fashion industry was promoting knee length (Bermuda) shorts for men. Boys in my 6th grade class began promoting a "Shorts Day" for the last day of school in June when temperatures were hot and the school didn't have AC.  The whole idea was quickly squashed by School Admins and parents.  Boys are not allowed to show bare knees or lower legs (except in sports when short shorts were normal).  Women's fashions always show off more flesh than men's fashions, and high fashion makes us men wear tuxedos covering us entirely except hands and faces.  High fashion women gowns can be almost naked, and often show a lot of bare shoulders, legs, backs, and etc.

When men get naked the culture is a lot more "offended" by seeing man's parts than seeing a woman's hairy crotch.  Men are also attacked for having sexual feelings a lot more than women.  The nudist world didn't create the misandry, but they participate willingly. 
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: BlueTrain on August 03, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
Sure could use a woman's perspective here.
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on August 05, 2019, 02:48:13 AM
Women's perspectives are as varied as the other gender. Some match men's, some women are angry at the crap to endure, others are okay with that and for various reasons. I had a prejudiced woman attempting to lay her ignorance on me, just because of my gender. She required me to take a couple of courses and read a bunch of things, before she would work with me on our Sweat organizations code of conduct. When she found out that I was totally aware of all of it before hand and even I had things to teach her, she was shocked and the chip fell off of her shoulder.

So, some of us require a women's perspective more than other men, some women require a man's perspective. When holding fast to the gender prejudices that is blatant sexism.

I think that both genders are still coming out of a highly repressed and oppressed era. Our sexuality and our sense of gender superiority, we are all victims. Our mix of gender traits manifests in both sexes in various amounts, yet defenders of liberation persist in perpetrating the myth of masculine and feminine qualities as being black and white, cut and dry. For one small example, men wear pants and women dresses and skirts, it is all about covering up and sexualization of the body. Women can now wear pants. One of my old girlfriend's had to go to court to wear pants. Women got harassed. A man wearing a skirt on a hot day, may get beaten, or murdered. Men short hair, women long. I had to do walkouts and organize and prepare for lawsuits just about not being short haired men. Men don't cry, women at the drop of a hat. Men are voyeurs, women don't care about looks. Men will screw anybody, women don't like sex and orgasms are their imagination. The gay issues are sexual stigmatizing. The fact is that most people are on a line with lots of variations in between, on a given day. More? Men are aggressive, women are more peaceful. The crap goes on and on. It is mostly a cultural thing, a family orientation thing, a social belief. I'm saying that bottom line, we are all victims of the gender thing and the solution is equality, acceptance, awareness on an individual basis.

It isn't just a women's lib, women's issues thing. None of us are free until we are all free.

Bob, I remember wearing Burmuda shorts all summer and getting harassed in the Fall in P.E. class for my weird tanlines!...come to thing about it, they were pretty dang weird looking! ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: eyesup on August 06, 2019, 06:59:07 AM
I clicked on the Permanude link too, JohnP and came to the same conclusion. Babes, babes and more babes. Very little to do with real naturism.

I went back and reread the posts here. Looking at the stuff online it is mostly teen voyeurism. The stories involve the government as the enabler for engaging in soft bondage fiction. The concept of the government engaging in public shaming harks back to the ďolde publicke stocksĒ of medieval Europe.

Frankly, disturbing.

Duane
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: eyesup on August 06, 2019, 06:59:50 AM
Jbee, I can agree with most of that. The thing I do disagree with is the whole victimhood culture these days. There ARE victims, I just reject the elevation of it to some sort of cathartic experience. Maybe some will choose that but I simply see life as way to move forward learning as we go and just accepting the good and the bad as equals. Life and nature will simply refuse to stay hemmed in to a zone of safety. It isnít real.

I honestly donít get the victim culture. It is puzzling. Maybe Iím the odd one out.

Duane
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: jbeegoode on August 06, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
I've never heard of it being called "victim culture." I think that such an identification is significant. Like the Matrix, people will go among ignorant of the bonds of the status quo. It is important to me to stand up when I realize my victim-hood.

We sat and watched "The Matrix" a coupe of evenings ago. The system is actually rigged in so many ways, but subtly. One can look at it as reality and pragmatic to conform, or drop out, or fight it. In the movie "Gandi" he gets thrown out of the train for sitting in the wrong racial section. He could have chosen several directions and he chose a higher path and action. Look what happened!

This anti-nudity thing in society flourishes when people are asleep. It is a victimization. People simply need to be made aware. Gotta choose your battles though.
Jbee
Title: Re: Permanude
Post by: GentleBen on May 23, 2020, 10:05:43 PM
The first permanude postings on Tumbler which resulted in various fiction book series did start with the idea of permanude as punishment, and some of the series did use that as a starting point, but that is not the main purpose for the permanude lifestyle, but rather a twisted add-in put in the laws by anti-nude politicians. Since many of the posters here keep referring to that aspect, it's obvious they haven't read any of the books.

The (fantasy) laws that established the "permanude" lifestyle were part of an entire "lifestyle protection" set of laws that made any of a number of lifestyles protected as approved ways of life. Religion, sexual identity, naturism, permanude, all sorts of ways to live were set as permissible and protected, and there were punishments for attacking, arresting or otherwise interfering with a person who had registered in that lifestyle for living in that manner and set of beliefs. If the lifestyle adhered to included actions or way of living contrary to the prevailing customs and laws, the lifestyle was paramount and allowed with the laws and customs invalid for that lifestyle.

Since those choosing the permanude lifestyle (or were forced into it as a penalty) were always nude and forbidden anything that hid the primary and secondary sexual attributes of a person, and thus were subject to normal physical reactions such as becoming visibly aroused and needing an outlet to the need, the laws around public sexual reactions and behavior were made invalid for the permanude. The opposing Naturist (nudist) lifestyle explicitly forbade public sexual actions, so were subject to the laws. Just being nude wasn't enough.

Anyway, the books by Gloria and several other authors explore the effect of the permanude lifestyle on the characters and the rest of the world. Some are blatant porn, some are more examinations of the regular life of permanude. But if you were ever curious about what it might be like to live always (required) nude, without the lewdness laws applying, they can be fun.