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Naturism => Naturism & Art => Topic started by: eyesup on January 04, 2017, 08:50:23 PM

Title: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on January 04, 2017, 08:50:23 PM
Sometimes I feel like doing this.
I just wish I had a lush glade closer than a marathon run!

Need a break? (https://youtu.be/-I169bD3BNc)
A little better resolution (https://vimeo.com/34805733)

Duane

Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nuduke on January 05, 2017, 09:57:40 PM

That's what I do do!
No deserts for us Brits but many forests, woods, copses, glades, spinneys, clumps, groves, wildwoods, thickets....
Trouble is we ain't got huge tracts of deserted forest to gambol in like the girl in the video.
That video is what I want to do but a) you have to carry your stuff (No film crew to hold your car keys and phone) and b) constantly keep cave for oncoming people which restricts time naked and takes the edge off the freedom.
But one can imagine one is free as the wind for a little while at least.


John

Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: JOhnGw on January 06, 2017, 10:56:44 AM
And exactly what I will be doing right from the door on the second fortnight of my Fuerteventura trip - and I might manage a video.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Davie on January 06, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
That's what a lot of us do. High moorland areas in the Peak District and North Wales for me. There's only a small chance of other people being about especially midweek and being in open country I can see them coming. If I can't see what they are wearing I guess they can't see what I'm not.

Walking free, one of the best stress relieversI can think off

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on January 06, 2017, 04:02:06 PM
Sometimes I feel like doing this.
I just wish I had a lush glade closer than a marathon run!

Duane

My glade isn't so lush, but its right out my door. 

(http://photos.bradkemp.com/4fallcolors2.jpg)
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: John P on January 07, 2017, 12:39:41 AM
In internet fantasy land, every naturist is a babe. In real life, you're more likely to meet Bob. Or worse! At least we get glades around here, though not very verdant lately:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28291527/Naturism/jwhs.jpg)
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Davie on January 07, 2017, 01:13:45 AM
Sometimes I do find a glade to walk in

Davie  8)
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: reubenT on March 02, 2017, 07:35:01 AM
It is a good stress reliever.  And I have several miles of woods I can roam in without fear of reprisal.    Soon as i get my wood fired truck going I plan on doing some rambling with it and collect lots of deadwood for biochar use.   I will call it business,  growing good food with it,   but it will be more like relaxing work. 
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 02, 2017, 06:30:23 PM
Exercise is one of the best stress reducers, if not the best. Good healthy food, particularly fresh veggies are calming. Looks like Reuben has the idea nailed, because he puts this in the context of sunshine and nature...a walk in the natural park. That is, if the time is set aside to appreciate, learn and communicate with "it" while harvesting what he needs. His activities fulfill four of the common requirements for longevity with quality.

I live in a desert...whats a "glade?" ;D

...oh, okay...been a while.  ::)
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 02, 2017, 06:34:50 PM
Physical exertion is good for the body and mind. Work or scheduled exercise, it doesn't matter.

Quote from: Jbee
I live in a desert...whats a "glade?"
Those places you keep visiting in the mountains and posting wonderful pictures of.
A glade by any other name . . .  :)

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nuduke on March 10, 2017, 01:27:18 PM

You walk through glades of saguaros, JBee!
As Handel had it in his opera Semele
Quote
Where 'er you walk
 Cool gales shall fan the glade
 Trees where you sit
 shall crowd into a shade
Now then, John P
Whilst I greatly appreciate your posting the photo walking in a forest in the snow in the sunshine (which appeals to my usual location envy!), there's a bit of a judgmental ring to your remark
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In internet fantasy land, every naturist is a babe. In real life, you're more likely to meet Bob. Or worse!
If I might seek leave to comment, whilst I entirely get the wit of your comment, and it is true that Bob is no babe (being a. a male and b. of an age somewhat beyond babyhood) and assuming that "Or Worse!" is a humorously self-deprecating remark referring to yourself, I am motivated to point out that we naturists are more prone not to make such comparisons and I for one appreciate you both as typical and valuable members of the species although in truth, the pixel width of photo that Bob occupies is larger than yours!!


impishly yours :D


John



Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 10, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
In JohnP's defense, I took his 'or worse" remark as a commentary on the 'cultural standard' of better or worse.
A standard he has consistently railed ;) against. With good reason.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 10, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
I didn't understand the John P. remark. I wasn't sure, but didn't ask for clarification.

I DID dig for the definition of "glade." It could be a meadow in a forest, how big a glade is is debatable. One man's glade is another's meadow. One's response to glade is all that is important, not the size, the look of it, the shape, but only the response, which belongs to the eye of the beholder, or experiencer.

Nuduke's prose implies shadow. Lack of obstructing vegetation may be experienced. In the desert the respite is in the shade, not usually in the warm sun. But, sitting naked in a shady house, some days, it feels like stepping naked into a glade, just by stepping out the door. Boom! It's quiet, warm, beautiful and natural. The sun gives life, it gives the essence and we are all one. Man's intrusions into my psyche and serenity are suddenly irrelevant. I'm blessed, today.
Jbee

























Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: John P on March 12, 2017, 08:57:33 AM
Sorry, I only just noticed that there was a continuing conversation here. My whimsical posting above came out of the following thoughts:

First, we have yet another artistic item to enjoy which just happens to be a slim young woman taking her clothes off. A "babe", as I tend to call them (not that anyone is unacceptable, let's have that clear).

Then there's talk of "glades" and there's Bob in his glade. Well, "Bob" sounds a little like "babe", does it not? So my bitter little dig, in Internet fantasy land there are babes, in reality mature males are the majority. Like every single one of us in this conversation.

Add a little self-deprecation, what follows Bob and is worse than Bob, is me in my own local glade. A mature male on snowshoes, how much less babelike can you get?

Perhaps I was being obscure. But it's all part of the fun.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nuduke on March 23, 2017, 04:55:16 PM

And my comments of course, John, left little room in my cheek given that it was occupied by my tongue at the time!!! :D :D
I shall ever regard Bob as a babe ...but mutated somewhat*!


John


*Perhaps a little in the same vein that Oliver Hardy's nickname was 'Babe'!
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 31, 2017, 07:34:47 AM
Well, my reaction had to do with the mood of the video. Yeah!!!! She is a babe!!! So what. Babes do exist and some are even naturists.

I was more drawn to the implication of the stress of being in a high-rise in a city and going for a run, then deciding to head out of the city.

Didn't have anything to do with the 'babe'.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 31, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
DF calls me "Babe" sometimes. I have no clue what she means by it, guess I should ask, but it is with affection.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: JOhnGw on April 01, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
Anything said with affection is OK by me.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: John P on April 01, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
There are multiple ways one might respond to "mood of the video" according to what one perceives that mood to be. In fact there could be multiple themes present at the same time. I get the point of the relief of stress, which was obvious enough.

But what we see all the time, and very rarely comment on, is the fact that in any artistic endeavor that involves nudity, the creators seem to call on slim young women ("babes") to express their point. We naturists have the claim that "every body is a good body", but somehow this skewed selection isn't of great concern to us. In fact, a fair amount of naturist publicity and "art" carries on in the same manner. I'll also point out that in heterosexual pornography, it's the same demographic that's usually on display, from old Playboy magazines up to the really nasty stuff. I think it would be naive to call that a coincidence; whether the image is openly sexual or not, there seems to be something in us which wants to see young women with their clothes off. And if we naturists are going to claim to shake off old-fashioned ideas about nudity, then I think we should be the first ones asking awkward questions such as "Whose nudity do we really want to see?"

So someone makes a perfectly fine film about how a city dweller dreams of running out to the woods and stripping naked. It's good stuff, let's all do it. But they select a young woman to illustrate it, and that's part of the story too! Even if it's totally familiar, I think it's not something we should just let pass without a comment. And as I said in an earlier comment, here we are, a bunch of mature men, most of us with wives who'll never be seen naked in public, discussing a movie with a naked woman as the sole performer. Shouldn't we be finding that a little embarrassing?
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on April 02, 2017, 02:54:51 AM
"Whose nudity do we really want to see?"

Well, let’s see if I can be honest. I want to see my own for starters. I want to be free, in touch, alive, aware, unshackled, comfortable and natural, among other reasons.

Next, I want to see everybody else’s nudity complete with smiling, maybe peaceful faces.

So you are asking me to narrow it down and be preferential, perhaps setting myself up to be judgmental. I’ll take the bait. My preference is to see anyone who happens to be near me sharing the nude experience positively. I like images of people enjoying nudity, as well as the real deal. But, there is this thing implied about images and young women. They do dominate the internet and art. They are desired. I believe in a more perfect, less contaminated world, that health is attractive to many physically and secondly the emotional values that one shares with others. These are varied and complex. One individual may be into butts, another individual might have a butt as a most attractive asset, style of butt, nice butt coupled with emotional considerations, firm butt, big butt, a handful, on and on. Personalities and experiences within interaction of people create billions of interactive complexities. But then let me get back to whose nudity do we want to see.

There seems to be a Desmond Morris argument of the attraction to health. Youth is more healthy, more often. I find myself personally attracted to those traits of signs of health in others, and I’ll tend to prefer to be around health and youthful attitudes and abilities. It just happens. I have no problem with accepting people as they are and be curious, and see that they all have things to offer more than an initial attractive look. Some people are just sexy to me for many reasons. Just looking/seeing the superficial point of view, I get a certain kick out of seeing health and females, so I fit into the dominate young female culture and figure that I’m amongst a majority, by  what is out there. Still, I don’t think that that can be called as the result of the influence of a culturally created fixation. Women get a kick out of youthful nudes, too. It is a health thing and that, I think, is human nature.

When I was in my forties, I began dating a woman older than 30 for the first time. I have found myself attracted more to older women more and more since then. Still I’ll find myself looking for healthy and I find youthful attributes getting my attention when that happens, naturally.

Who do I really want to see, is anyone and everyone else naked and enjoying it, but when it happens that I see a younger look in a woman, I happen to naturally get a kick out of it. Babes do happen to get my attention. Babes with clothing on get my attention often, too. I‘m okay with those moments of titillation, appreciation, curiosity, admiration, r however a babe affects me.

The purpose of that film is to sell the idea of naturism. Females attract men and other women identify with the same sex, and all wish for, if not identify with being more youthful. Ponce Ed Leon was not a fluke. Why not do the film with a young guy? He simply won’t sell as well. A young couple would sell well, but then there is that aspect of alone and a personal experience that would be tampered with. To me, the “babe” was a good choice. It made the point for me and DF, both and a few of us here that at least said that they liked it. I don’t see how embarrassment enters into this one.

The point was conveyed to me very effectively. I identify with the grey, dark, overcast S.A.D., concrete oppressive city. It captured my sense of it. The ”babe” wasn’t sexualized, she had short messy hair and a ring in her nose, a baggy sweat suit that didn’t do much for her except conveying a sense of being covered up, or insulated. When she finally made it out into the world of color and began to throw off those shackles, it was a sports bra, something that is unattractive to me for some reason oppressive. Her barefoot tiptoe slowed down mobility, but so in touch and real and vulnerable is how I relate to that experience in nature. Then coming into the light and warmth of that day, is such a contrast and a spiritual moment. I identify with the short flix in a most profound way. To me it is what I do and naturism and has nothing to do with the sex or the age of the subject’s experience. It isn’t a babe’s stripping tease at all, it is the stripping away to a core of humanity in our relation to nature.

John P., I understand your point about too much of too many babes. I understand the exploitations.  Here, I don’t see that that applies at all. It doesn’t make good sense to me to throw the baby out with the bathwater and a most effective tool, the use of the “babe” to make a sale. We wouldn’t throw out Karla’s photos and have only Stuart’s remain, would we? She looks great, as a subject of art, an expression of naturism and nude in a spiritual place. Same deal here, it teaches and it is done artfully.

This brings me to your “"every body is a good body" take. People have preferences, as I mentioned earlier. Everything is what it is. Accepting that without judgment is a difficult and high order, which probably won’t be accomplished without divine intervention. Generally, people gravitate to health and youth has health. What do I really want to see, is irrelevant, but what I am naturally attracted to, personally is. Give me smooth skin, firm limbs, flexibility in movement, natural long hair, an all over tan, and the wisdom, camaraderie and stability of an older woman every time. That’s just me being attracted to the opposite sex and getting hot. That certainly is not everybody.

Generally, I’m ”friendly” with all body types. I tend to focus on what I like about people, not negatives. They blossom that way, instead of wilting. Every body is a good body, but there are individual preferences that will occur. There are various relationships, which to some, a body look is important, to some the body look has nothing to do with the relationship.

I didn’t get distracted by the “babe” thing in the flix but now, going back, now that you mention her babe-ability. She does have a wonderful butt, which would correspond to my two ex-wives, whom I was fascinated with 30 or 40 years ago. I don’t even want to be friends with them anymore. I’ll never have any interpersonal relationship with this actress either. Where is the relevance?  ;)


I'm confused by John P.'s remark that most of the men here have wives that would never be seen naked in public. The subject of the flix is naked in solitude. Could someone alleviate my confusion. I just don't understand why there would be any embarrassment.
Jbee

Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Peter S on April 02, 2017, 07:10:47 AM
Much as I enjoy all your expositions, JB, I disagree over the idea of the babe as a good advert for clothes-free frolicking. The body insecurities induced in women - and increasingly in men - by the marketeers mean that people look at the perfect model posers and immediately decide "I don't look like that, therefore I could never do that".

Perversely, if 'real', 'normal' body shapes are used the viewer reaction is "yuck, that body should never be seen", so effective is the perfect-body marketing machine.

Based on anecdotal evidence from here and other forums, it seems that most people who try nakedness discover there's nothing wrong and a lot of things good about it, and many will even be converted to the philosophy we espouse here. But actually persuading them to try it in the first place .. there's the rub.

Peter
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on April 02, 2017, 03:04:42 PM
Much as I enjoy all your expositions, JB, I disagree over the idea of the babe as a good advert for clothes-free frolicking. The body insecurities induced in women - and increasingly in men - by the marketeers mean that people look at the perfect model posers and immediately decide "I don't look like that, therefore I could never do that".

Perversely, if 'real', 'normal' body shapes are used the viewer reaction is "yuck, that body should never be seen", so effective is the perfect-body marketing machine.
Peter


I agree with Peter, and JB.   You are both right.   Too many young model looking people in public media nudity conveys an impression that naked is all about showing off young perfect bodies.  But, it also conveys the message that seeing naked bodies is not going to hurt anyone.   I would like to see more of the old ladies in that TV commercial where the old ladies stocked up on sunscreen,etc., before heading to a clothing optional beach.  I read nakedpublicdares.com every week and even submit photos of myself. 

I don't like the constant bluring of genitals in the TV series "Naked and Afraid" wherein a naked man and woman are put into a wilderness where they try to survive.  But millions of viewers see that two naked people are together in the woods for weeks and their nakedness does not turn them into pond slime.   Naked and Afraid survivors are dirty, bug bitten, not made up, ordinary folks. 

The more naked human bodies are seen by everyone, the less uncomfortable people are when they see a human being.  In a perfect world every naked image would look like me and everyone would enjoy seeing us.  But we need to take what we can get.  If it takes showing a "babe" to get naked athletes in sports magazines then let the athletes look like babes.  The Hollywood people who deal in celebrity used to say, "All publicity is good publicity."  I think that goes for public nudity at this time in our campaign to normalize human beings.  All public nudity is good public nudity. 

Peter is certainly right that too many "babes" in media convey a message about body image whether naked or clothed.  Feminists have long complained about overly skinny (emaciated) "babe" clothing models, and they are clothed.  It sends a negative message about the rest of women.  The fashion magazine publishers hire the emaciated models because, despite the complaints, it also conveys a positive message about their clothing or whatever they are selling.  Naked "babe" models sends the same negative message about body image, but it also sends a positive message about being naked. 

We are not all young hot bodies any more.  I'm not.  Most of you are not.  I love myself for who I have become and for having survived my 7 decades with only a few scars.  Naked advocacy is about body acceptance of all bodies.  We know that, but the public does not.  If it takes naked babes to "get a foot in the door" then so be it.  The more naked people are seen the more normal it becomes, and ALL naked people count, even the babes. 

Bob

 
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nudewalker on April 03, 2017, 03:35:14 PM
We are not all young hot bodies any more.  I'm not.  Most of you are not.  I love myself for who I have become and for having survived my 7 decades with only a few scars.  Naked advocacy is about body acceptance of all bodies.  We know that, but the public does not.  If it takes naked babes to "get a foot in the door" then so be it.  The more naked people are seen the more normal it becomes, and ALL naked people count, even the babes. 

Bob


I think the thought of me having a "hot" body is well past it's time. I also know there are areas of the country where fitness is a desired quality, West Virginia isn't one of them. In fact most states that have low income also lead in obesity. I wish the people that came up with the Walgreen's ad concept could put their talents to a campaign to normalize the human body. I'd also like to see "Naked and Afraid" without blurs. Part of the problem is that I doubt that the FCC will allow any nudity anytime soon. The other part is convincing people that emaciated models are not the norm of bodies that should be seen.

Back to the "I can never do that" comment, we just had that discussion yesterday with our after church group. A few of the women stating that they were not going to wear bathing suits this year because they put on too much weight this winter. I swear women can be their own worst enemies! When I brought up the Walgreen's commercial it was no one would want to see my body. My mention that people on nude beaches could care less, the idea is to enjoy the sun, sand and water without having sand stuck in your suit. Then the discussion quickly broke down into the pervs and others who would want to do harm. Then turned to what the "young" girls were wearing to church. Just like the show on Fox "Outnumbered" there was no way to get a word in after that.

I think what is needed is a national group that would promote nudity period. Not nude recreation behind walls or secluded beaches. Positive promotion of clothes free living, a main stream effort toward body acceptance, basically a life without the clothes! 
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on April 03, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
I think what is needed is a national group that would promote nudity period. Not nude recreation behind walls or secluded beaches. Positive promotion of clothes free living, a main stream effort toward body acceptance, basically a life without the clothes!


I think that was Lee Baxandall's original idea for the Naturist Society.  The idea that clothes are wrong and unnatural everywhere needs to be promoted more.   

Clothes are unnatural, unhealthy, uncomfortable, ugly, expensive, laborious, unwanted, unneeded, and a complete waste of natural resources (un-green), is a theme that needs to be promoted. 

Calling someone obscene, vulgar, indecent, or even criminal for simply being human is a very offensive misanthropic insult.   This too needs to be promoted and even demanded.  Nudists need to go on the political offensive.

Bob



Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Safebare on April 03, 2017, 06:13:54 PM
Political offensive?  Has it come to that?  Lee Baxandall arrived in perfect timing with a cultural shift. I am sure there are similar people today eager to carry the Naturist torch, but finding a ready audience would be insurmountable.
I think our cause may be shifting. It needs to be more than a right to exist in the most natural state. The young will define it. Look for YNA and similar groups to lead the next battles to be accepted in our own skin.
The LGBQT movement has created a diversity adverse group of very vocal and political people. They are among others in the minority and immigrant populous that have pushed the conservatives to react. Now it is encouraged to demand action on even the most innocent of transgressions to their moral compass.
Twice this year I have been detained and punished, not because I was flaunting my nakedness or forcing it on anyone, but the mere awareness that I was nude created the motivation to seek police intervention.
I want to do my part to demonstrate that innocent nudity is just that. But, I don't think I have the metal to go on the political offensive.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on April 03, 2017, 07:56:14 PM

Twice this year I have been detained and punished, not because I was flaunting my nakedness or forcing it on anyone, but the mere awareness that I was nude created the motivation to seek police intervention.

I want to do my part to demonstrate that innocent nudity is just that. But, I don't think I have the metal to go on the political offensive.


I'm sorry you got detained.  I have managed to avoid that problem.  Lee Baxandall made a lot of progress raising awareness, and this is a struggle that continues for lifetimes.  The YNA is good but limited in geography and scope. 

A political campaign needs to be offensive rather than defensive.  We need to be "in their face" demanding acceptance rather than wait for their police to detain us and then begging to be let go. 

We can do the political campaign without being naked.  We can write letters and phone elected representatives.  We can post our concerns and demands for acceptance of human bodies on-line on a thousand forums and discussions.   

This may be a good time to ride the resistance to Islamic oppression of women to include a demand for repeal of all laws requiring clothing, and laws stating that no clothing may be required by police or courts.

There are many things we can do, now, without getting detained.  Its time to take the offense in political campaign rather than being defensive and apologizing for our naturist beliefs.  Their control of OUR bodies is tyranny and their statement that OUR bodies are "indecent" is insulting and wrong.  We need to demand and push rather than retreat and hide. 

There are MANY people on some forums who practice at-home nudity but are afraid ever to go out or even mention it except on confidential web sites. They will follow if we will lead.  Legal nudity is within our reach.

Anyone can write letters or make phone calls to elected officials, or go on line to promote fundamental human RIGHTS to control our own bodies.   We don't have to risk getting detained.

Bob
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: John P on April 04, 2017, 05:51:01 AM
"Whose nudity do we really want to see?"

Well, let’s see if I can be honest. I want to see my own for starters. I want to be free, in touch, alive, aware, unshackled, comfortable and natural, among other reasons. Next, I want to see everybody else’s nudity complete with smiling, maybe peaceful faces.

So you are asking me to narrow it down and be preferential, perhaps setting myself up to be judgmental. I’ll take the bait. My preference is to see anyone who happens to be near me sharing the nude experience positively. I like images of people enjoying nudity, as well as the real deal. ...

There seems to be a Desmond Morris argument of the attraction to health...

Ponce Ed Leon was not a fluke.

I'm confused by John P.'s remark that most of the men here have wives that would never be seen naked in public. The subject of the flix is naked in solitude. Could someone alleviate my confusion. I just don't understand why there would be any embarrassment.

That was a long posting, JBG, and I haven't got the concentration to respond to all of it. But your first few lines make me want to say that we're friends and brothers. Yes, let's be naked, among naked people, and all of us happy! That's my dream, a re-creation of Eden. (And this time around, no quibbles about apples.)

If the mention of Desmond Morris refers to 'The Naked Ape' then yes, I read it way back in time (I happen to remember, I was a college freshman). But even if we have instincts that propel us in certain directions, we have the ability to think about what we're doing and maybe override those instincts. That's what makes us unique among animals, surely? And if we have an objective of making the human body acceptable in public, then we can't let it seem to be a desire to see a few boobs or butts. You might even say that by being a little sneaky, the number of [insert name of favorite erogenous zone] on view would increase, if we just get past the urge to call for the display of those parts immediately.

"Ponce Ed Leon" makes me think you can take a talking horse to the fountain of youth, but you can't make it drink. Or something.

Regarding the confusing part, you've neglected my bitter comment that pornography is another area where young women are the preferred group to be exhibited. If men want to join nudist groups but have wives who avoid nudity, maybe that happens because the women see naturism as a sexualized display, much more interesting to men than to themselves. And if we keep making "naturist" material that features the same demographic group as porn (i.e. young women) don't we risk making that seem likely? We might reassure the hesitant wives--or even ourselves if we're inclined to cynical doubts--if we made sure that any naturist material that we praise, at least features a good mix of ages, genders and body types.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on April 06, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
[/quote=JohnP]And if we naturists are going to claim to shake off old-fashioned ideas about nudity, then I think we should be the first ones asking awkward questions such as "Whose nudity do we really want to see?"[/quote]
Any person that wishes to be normally naked.

Quote from: then
. . . as I said in an earlier comment, here we are, a bunch of mature men, most of us with wives who'll never be seen naked in public, discussing a movie with a naked woman as the sole performer. Shouldn't we be finding that a little embarrassing?

Nope! As I responded to the mood of the clip and the symbolic stripping away of the stress.
If, as you assert, it was done INTENTIALLY with a ‘Babe’ I would agree with you.

But I’m not embarrassed by the behavior of someone else.

Duane

Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on April 06, 2017, 05:03:05 PM
Jbee, as far as I can tell, the Desmond Morris argument would apply to young people and older folks emotionally stuck in high school or college.

I separate the effects of seeing nudity essentially into two groups. The physically attractive and personally attractive. The former being motivated solely by appearance and the latter by a further effort to become acquainted through conversation. Which can lead, depending on the resulting conversation, to a quick termination of the effort.

As far as exclusively using ‘good looking’ young people in advertising, I agree with Jbee and JohnP. I think there should be BOTH. Older and younger to show the widespread appeal of being naked in creation.

I do agree with JohnP with regard to the hard bodies becoming identifiable with any aspect of porn, but that is very much related to content. If more programs and ads had everyday innocent nudity, the porn influence would begin to be reduced. I suppose it’s that aspect of the forbidden or taboo that causes such a preoccupation with that.

At any rate, JohnP makes a good point about the focus on pretty females. Having pretty females, and males, mixed in with all of us ordinary folks would be the preferred method. I just don’t see why I should alter my thinking on whether a person that is attractive, in my judgement, should be one or the other.

Any effort to marginalise a group, even for a good reason, always results in a marginalized group. We should be more careful of that than anything.

JohnP, I understand what you mean about the sexualized display of females having a distracting effect. Naturist efforts to normalize nudity will never succeed until normal people are also included in the advertising. I agree with your point.

But the last thing I would want is yet another governing body regulating this sort of thing. Naturists seem to be a sort of organic type of a group. The thing that makes it appealing would be harmed by the formation any sort regulation.

So, we soldier on, setting an example and, as Bob says, get in their face when needed.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nuduke on April 07, 2017, 08:12:36 PM

Quote from: Bob
We are not all young hot bodies any more.
I never was!! :D
John
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
Morris was discussing his hypothesis (as fact) that the leanings toward youth are leanings toward health. Health in the selective survival scheme of things is desirable, for making, supporting, and partnering babies, thus having contributing to the survival of our species, thus we are hardwired unconsciously to be attracted to healthy people of the opposite sex for procreation.

I ain't saying that the stuck in high-school idea, or the obvious cultural indoctrination we get aren't valid, but I do like his take on the youth thing. It would explain my behaviors through the years and what has physically attracted me to certain physical attributes.

Morris also has discussed the idea that peak child bearing attributes may be recognized subconsciously at any age.

He also mentions how a look of a good provider is attractive. A big wallet is as attractive as what else might be in the pants. Who know? He is all speculation, but very convincing and with common rationale.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: JOhnGw on April 09, 2017, 07:35:09 PM
Jbee - I wonder whether that scenario is why men tend to fancy younger women as they stand a better chance of living to rear any offspring.
It would also explain my subjective opinion that women tend to look more attractive after having their first child - contrary to fashionable current opinion.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on April 10, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: JOhn
. . . I wonder whether that scenario is why men tend to fancy younger women as they stand a better chance of living to rear any offspring.
I will point out that there is a difference between producing and rearing offspring.

I pick up the newspaper and read some of the most mind-numbing and morally deficient behaviors by some people when it comes to children, childbirth and parenting. I wonder about whether the entire social and cultural structures regarding family have been chucked over-board and we are seeing a bizarre new ethic regarding children.

It was once a rarity, but is becoming more noticeable. Of course it could merely be an artifact of the 24 hr. news cycle.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 05, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
It's funny how we all see different things when we look at something. When I viewed the video, which is pretty good, the first thing that came to mind was "Run Forrest! Run." 

I don't imagine that was the idea, was it?

I suppose that stress relief could be an object of nudist or naturism in its broader sense. That was, in a way, the original idea over a hundred years ago. The idea was that city living was bad. One had become detached from nature. So you had to retreat to a rural location for exercise, healthy food and recreation. I think it was a few decades before someone suggested living entirely without clothes. Clothes are not unnatural. Neither are French fries, beer and home-made cornbread. Practically everyone around the world wears something most of the time. That argument carries no weight.

On the other hand, try telling someone that city life is unhealthy and see how far that gets you. The thing that makes no sense is driving twenty or thirty miles to work and back every day. Be that as it may be, the original naturists, which included nudists, were practically all city-dwellers. The rural folk were as connected with nature as anyone could want to be.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on March 05, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
I pick up the newspaper and read some of the most mind-numbing and morally deficient behaviors by some people when it comes to children, childbirth and parenting. I wonder about whether the entire social and cultural structures regarding family have been chucked over-board and we are seeing a bizarre new ethic regarding children.
Duane

It seems to me that there has been a cultural war against children and families ongoing for a hundred years or so.  The anti-family, anti-children side is winning.  Birth rates among white Europeans are way down, way below survival. 

Bob
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 05, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
It's funny how we all see different things when we look at something. When I viewed the video, which is pretty good, the first thing that came to mind was "Run Forrest! Run." 

I don't imagine that was the idea, was it?

I suppose that stress relief could be an object of nudist or naturism in its broader sense. That was, in a way, the original idea over a hundred years ago. The idea was that city living was bad. One had become detached from nature. So you had to retreat to a rural location for exercise, healthy food and recreation. I think it was a few decades before someone suggested living entirely without clothes. Clothes are not unnatural. Neither are French fries, beer and home-made cornbread. Practically everyone around the world wears something most of the time. That argument carries no weight.

On the other hand, try telling someone that city life is unhealthy and see how far that gets you. The thing that makes no sense is driving twenty or thirty miles to work and back every day. Be that as it may be, the original naturists, which included nudists, were practically all city-dwellers. The rural folk were as connected with nature as anyone could want to be.
Obsession with clothing is not a construct of a human living closer to ones nature. On a hot day, by a cozy hearth, on a nice day, in a body of water, in a sweat, among your other human beings, nudity is natural. If you insist on wearing clothing in such circumstance it is unnatural. There is a consciousness in nature that is lost when clothed. It may not be evident living in an urban environment or suffocated in clothing, but it is certainly a reality. We have lost more than we have gained by polyester and prudish dictates.

The world is full of people wearing clothing, that is true. The reason for that has a lot to do with the Christian and Muslim empires and the influence of missionaries, which is the pressure of the dominate culture and survival. The fact that people are hung up on covering their bodies does not mean that the behavior is natural. For millennia people didn't have these weird behaviors. Study of human history and anthropology give us proof of a different norm. When I get naked in nature, I sense entirely differently and I'm closer to a natural being that has been lost. It has become extremely evident that nude is the nature of mankind. Clothing is a newer thing. Clothing is for social/political reasons in a tribe and to stay warm in adverse weather. These inventions have been with men for a very long time, but what we have in this world today is not that practicality, it is obsession.

Someone said that french fries, BEER and "homemade" cornbread are not natural? Never got that memo. Perhaps they were referring to McDonalds, piss water and substitutes for butter, fresh real corn, and less processed sugar. These things that they call food and drink yet barely give nutrition could be argued to not be "natural' but artificial.

So, certain foods are invention as are certain uses for clothing, but I'll disagree heartily that clothing is the natural state of man...or any animal.

Why do you think that the early naturists, I suppose that you meant Germany, were all city dwellers? This has never come up. It is interesting to think about.

I would argue that country folk are "connected to nature as much as anyone would want to be." My experience is that they are better connected, but generally greatly lacking knowledge of genuine nature. Farmers know farms and what they were brought up to know. Nature is mostly something else. Knowing nature is living in it, more primitive, less domesticated than country folk and exploitation.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 06, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
I have lived in a small town, which in many ways was much more city like than living in the suburbs today. And I have also lived in the country in an old log house (not a cabin, though) with no bathroom, no telephone and sometimes, no running water (there was no well and no city water). But it could be that people that live in the country don't really know anything about nature. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees, as they say. There is a belief, apparently widely held, that people used to know a lot more about rural living than they do now, especially in the Appalachians, where I'm from. That gave rise to the Foxfire series of books. Those books were published nearly fifty years ago. Probably even more things have been forgotten since then.

I think to say people are obsessed with clothing, aside from the fashion aspect (some certainly are obsessed with fashion) may be overstating the case. It is easy enough to tell that many people are certainly not obsessed with the clothes they wear. It is curious, though, that primitive peoples always wore some form of clothing, although often as not, less than the explorers and colonists themselves wore. It may be that the natural state of man is naked, provided he lives where it is always warm. All the same, one can become obsessed with nudity.

My comments about early nudism and naturism (not the same thing) are based on my studies of early writings and practices, including in more recent publications. City dwellers are typically more progressive than rural dwellers. The movements were started by just a few people who had various ideas about society and health, chiefly, I think, because of poor living conditions in cities at the end of the 19th century. To them, nudism, hiking and conservation were the answers to those problems. It tried to be a middle class, bourgeois movement that also included the working classes as much as possible. Naturally, I can't do justice to it in just a few sentences. It goes without saying that it had its critics then, too. But it didn't particularly try to be primitive, which would be no achievement.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 06, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
The writings about the 'primative' native peoples encountered by the Europeans tell of them being unashamed naked. The pictures were drawn by European and generally white Christian men, who added their sensibilities and added cloth in strategic areas. They couldn't give record with pictures of genitals.

Yea, I was reminded of traveling through France in the sixties and seeing card tables with fine china and silver with white table clothes on the side of the road. Those early Germans were often in similar ilk with the earlier romance period. Some kind of "civilized" natural state of being. It was to cure the crappy, polluted stressful life in the city, I have read that, too. The contrast would have been stark!

Uniforms, feeling naked, clothes make the man and naked he is less. All of th esocial games and requiements, modern man is hung up with his clothing in the closet at night. Shame, body cover, all kinds of armor, and disguse, then they belive tha what they wear is them.

Here, I describe clothing obsession, making fun of it:
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/08/19/clothing-obsession-a-stab-at-humor/

Jbee


Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on March 06, 2018, 09:07:55 PM
The writings about the 'primative' native peoples encountered by the Europeans tell of them being unashamed naked. The pictures were drawn by European and generally white Christian men, who added their sensibilities and added cloth in strategic areas. They couldn't give record with pictures of genitals.

Back in the first part of the 20th century the National Geographic Magazine commonly featured pictures of naked natives or bare breasted native women, probably teenagers.  In a time when no other magazine could be sold with naked photos it was a good way to make money by selling nude boob photos. 


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Uniforms, feeling naked, clothes make the man and naked he is less. All of th esocial games and requiements, modern man is hung up with his clothing in the closet at night. Shame, body cover, all kinds of armor, and disguse, then they belive tha what they wear is them.
Jbee


The big monotheist empires have used clothing as a form of control over the masses.   They train obedience by daily habituation to obey even if its uncomfortable.   And they have a big guilt trip for anyone who won't obey. 

Bob
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 06, 2018, 09:30:29 PM
When I was teaching 5th through 8th grade, I had a ton of National Geo. I meticulously went through them to weed out things that the principal wouldn't approve of. The kids could read the the mags, if they finished somethings early...they found some nudes! The stuff still attracts kids like magnets.

I found some girly stuff in my brothers bottom drawer. I visited a couple of times after that. Early socialization to sexualize the nude.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 06, 2018, 09:35:51 PM
That was the theme in the late 1960s. One could even say you were encouraged to be a non-conformist, to rebel against the corporate-consumer culture. It really wasn't difficult to do, either. All you had to do was be like all the other non-conformists. We all knew who we didn't want to be and that was our parents, living out their dreadful lives, getting up and going to work everyday in the 1950s, coming home and eating TV dinners while they watched I Love Lucy.

Our problem was that we wanted to rebel against all that conformity and to cast off our white shirts (at least until we went to work for IBM--white shirts not permitted at Microsoft). Instead we wore paisley. Ultimately we discovered that we were rejecting everything our parents were about, no matter what, and imitated our friends, never knowing who was setting the trends. Somewhere along the way we even discovered sex, something our parents knew nothing about, as far as we could tell.

And thus endeth the golden age of nudism.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 06, 2018, 09:51:59 PM
Yea, the factory farms were uptight. I started going free range naturism with my friends, pals and with my girlfriends.

AND yes, there was quite a bit of sexual experimentation in the mix. I began to read the articles in Playboy, too, but still the stereotypes generated in the pictures had an affect upon what I saw as attractive and the preference of a hot young thing.
I was in my mid-40's before I went to bed with the first woman over thirty. Slow learner, mellowing with age, or something washed out the fixation.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 07, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from:  BlueTrain
It's funny how we all see different things when we look at something. When I viewed the video, which is pretty good, the first thing that came to mind was "Run Forrest! Run."
Reminds me of a skit I saw at a Boy Scout Summer Camp once, which was pretty funny.

Some run for the endorphin high. Some for the simple achievement of a personal best. Physical exertion does reduce stress. It’s one of the benefits of hiking. The others? Being out in nature au natural, feeling the heat and breeze from sources other than the heat island effect and engine exhausts.

For me, it is the silence of the remote location. And the solitude adds to that.
Even though, in reality, I am only a couple hours from my car. :)

There were several of my uncles that had farms in central Louisiana. Never once did I ever get the impression that they “lived next to or with nature”. It was more of a choice of a simple life in the country that they knew from their youth, were familiar with and had the expertise to live. It was not a moral code, it was more along the lines of  “maintaining a tradition” activity.

At any rate, reaching a point where you throw off whatever is irritating you (in this video that was clothing and the city) and taking off to points unknown as a response to the city’s effects, is what the video is about. It’s what I responded to.

This is not a video about nudity! It’s not about babes or non-babes!
It’s about shackles in your head!

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 07, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
When it is really quiet, I just hear the ringing in my ears more. But some city sounds I like hearing, such as early in the morning when the city seems to be waking up and picking up speed. It usually happens just around the time the sun is coming up. The same thing happens in the woods, if you're far enough from town and highway not to hear those sounds. Only the sounds are different, usually of bird calls.

Farmers in particular should be more in tune with nature, you would expect. It might be presumptuous that they lead a simple life. Simple in some respects but hardly worry-free. My father grew up on a farm and kept a garden all his life. He believed in planting things "by the signs." I knew what he was talking about but he never explained it enough for me to understand. In my wife's family, they talk about planting something on Washington's birthday, but I can never remember what. Peas, maybe. All my wife grows are flowers, and you can't eat flowers. The deer can, though, and do.

I did like the video, although I must admit that I fast-forwarded it (lack of patience). I'm not much for running, not at my age and with my feet. Most of the time I'm not out for parts unknown, though. There are plenty of places I like to go because I enjoy those places so much and have never been able to go often enough to satisfy myself. On the other hand, the trail I take out my back door, which is about two miles round trip, is the same every time I go out, generally about once a week. It's never boring. There is a good view of a lake at the end where I turn around. It's challenging to stand there on a windy day and unfortunately, it's also a place where wild geese hang out. But I generally see something different every time. If I'm lucky, I'll see deer. If I'm really, really lucky, I'll see a fox. But they always see me first.

I enjoy being out in cold weather as much as nice weather and if I'm in a place like Shenandoah Park, I'll usually see as many other people in cold weather as in hot weather. So others must think the same as I do. One thing I get out of these outings, short and long, is a chance to forget, however briefly, all my troubles. Even my foot doesn't hurt that much. I don't worry about chores at home, taxes, the cars, the yard, or any of that stuff. I guess there's some escapism in it. It is pure re-creation.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Wenedo on March 08, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Yea, the factory farms were uptight. I started going free range naturism with my friends, pals and with my girlfriends.

AND yes, there was quite a bit of sexual experimentation in the mix. I began to read the articles in Playboy, too, but still the stereotypes generated in the pictures had an affect upon what I saw as attractive and the preference of a hot young thing.
I was in my mid-40's before I went to bed with the first woman over thirty. Slow learner, mellowing with age, or something washed out the fixation.
Jbee

I was the same way preferences wise until a few years ago. And then I just started seeking different things. I think that's normal, right?
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 08, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Quote from: BlueTrain
. . . if you're far enough from town and highway not to hear those sounds. Only the sounds are different, usually of bird calls.

Farmers in particular should be more in tune with nature, you would expect.
The 1st time I took my wife to East Texas, she was unnerved by all the animal and insect sounds. Especially after dark when they all started calling back and forth. Said she couldn’t sleep. Crickets, cicadas, frogs, owls and all manner of other critters out scurrying around huntin’ for food or a little whoopee (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbcubbf3pDA). Drove her nuts.

She asked me how we managed to sleep with all that racket, and I said “What racket?” For me it was all background noise. It depends on what you are accustomed to. I was keenly aware of the lack of that comforting background when I 1st went camping out in the desert.

The desert makes noise it’s just not very loud. Not as much competition.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on March 08, 2018, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: BlueTrain
. . . if you're far enough from town and highway not to hear those sounds. Only the sounds are different, usually of bird calls.

Farmers in particular should be more in tune with nature, you would expect.

Most farmers I've known spend more time fighting against nature than being part of nature.  Farmers tend to worry about nature, too much rain, too little rain, too much wind, etc.   One time I met a couple of nudist farmers who always drove tractor naked, but I don't think that's common even out where nobody else is around.   One would think that farmers ought to be naturists blending with nature, but that doesn't seem to be my experience.

Bob
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 08, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
That's because farming isn't natural and nature isn't friendly. We can't all be hunter-gatherers. But farming is the most basic thing to meet human needs.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 09, 2018, 02:55:52 AM
Yea, the factory farms were uptight. I started going free range naturism with my friends, pals and with my girlfriends.

AND yes, there was quite a bit of sexual experimentation in the mix. I began to read the articles in Playboy, too, but still the stereotypes generated in the pictures had an affect upon what I saw as attractive and the preference of a hot young thing.
I was in my mid-40's before I went to bed with the first woman over thirty. Slow learner, mellowing with age, or something washed out the fixation.
Jbee

I was the same way preferences wise until a few years ago. And then I just started seeking different things. I think that's normal, right?
Yep, I think so, too. We all have influences creating a zillion different preferences. I did a great deal of experimenting and exploring girlfriends with different body types mostly during the 1970's when I was twenties, but much started with that Playboy ideal. I acquired different personal preferences in concern with body type and that would change. I'd look for attractive and then see if she was personable, commonality changes.

Somewhere along the line, I learned that if you focus on the positives, people become more attractive, if you focus on negatives they wilt. This has given me a broader spectrum of choice and actually more open to women when I realized that I really don't know what is best for me. Preferences change, people change.

This morning I made love to the most beautiful wonderful woman/goddess in the whole of the universe and beyond...at least as my current personal preference and perspectives sat at that moment. She was older than 30.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: JOhnGw on March 09, 2018, 08:37:06 AM
Which reminds me that I again woke up with the most beautiful woman  in the world. It doesn't get boring, even after 50 years.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 13, 2018, 06:28:14 AM
I long ago discarded the social and cultural rules that define beauty. My wife/companion will always be the best I have found. It is the soul and spirit of what she is that keeps me in orbit around her.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 13, 2018, 11:59:13 AM
If you've been married as long as I have, which really isn't that long (39 years), you have to accept that your spouse is going to change a little over the years. The man won't change, no matter what (he may look different) but the woman will.

I went to my fiftieth high school reunion four years ago. I had a lot of fun. I was pleased that anyone remembered me as well as they did. I didn't recognize everyone there (it was the first reunion I attended) but not everyone there was a member of that class. Some were spouses from another year or another place. Some I expected to see weren't even members of that class, but from the year before or the year after. Most changed in appearance the way you would have expected but nobody's personalities and mannerisms had changed at all. And a couple of people looked like they had scarcely aged one bit. It was also surprising to me that some were still living there in that small town in West Virginia.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 13, 2018, 03:55:26 PM
I've not been to any of my class reunions. The friends from back then that I am still in touch with I can see when I visit home. I've always thought that tradition a little odd.

Maybe I'll be the exception and change!  ;D

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: Bob Knows on March 13, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
I started attending class reunions after 25 years.  Lots of good people with whom I have a lot in common after growing up in the same culture.  My team won the first place trophy in a golf tournament at our  50th year reunion.  I was thrilled.  It was the only golf trophy I ever won.   The list of departed classmates gets longer every year.  They don't have nudist activities at the reunions.

Bob
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 13, 2018, 05:01:45 PM
I was likewise struck by the number of classmates, class of 1964, who had already died when I attended the reunion. There were two large tables with their photos. But then, I'm always struck when I see the death notices in the paper of anyone younger than me who have died. I had only contacted by e-mail three people before attending that reunion and when I created a new e-mail address (had been using the one at work), I sent out the new e-mail address. One came back. The recipient had died a year ago. She was my lab partner in high school chemistry--I think. She was a twin and I don't remember which one it was.

I mentioned that some still live there. They have a once-a-month brunch at the local Cracker Barrel that I'll have to plan my visits around.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 13, 2018, 06:02:32 PM
I went to a couple of reunions. I didn't see them as unchanged. I saw people falling back into their old roles and ways of interacting, like a learned subconscious behavior, a comfortable place to be. Bad rude kid-ness came out. Old friends tended to attract the same old friends.

Of these people that I had seen outside of those two affairs, my interactions were different in those times. People do change, they have to change they are required to adapt to new circumstance, they gather themselves up into new trips. Probably less so in many small town circumstances. There was change in that as time went on, they were less eager to please, impress and get attention.

I have a long list of people that I have been, some in retrospect are flip flops. There are lessons to be learned in a life, but it is a process of unlearning. Some unlearn faster than others. The last ten years, I've been getting back to my roots and goals that I started out with, but it is a completely new twist. Some of my friends became their parents.

The change is there. Its just that old habits reoccur when old situations present themselves.
Jbee
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 13, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
People presumably change some. If nothing else, we all get older. But I'm not so sure about unlearning something. If anything, I think we learn new things that get overlaid on top of what we already know. I'm not referring to habits, however, which you may be. I don't know that you ever lose your roots. But if you mean by cutting down the tree, you get back to your roots, then you may be on to something. You might grow a little differently in different soil, in a manner of speaking. But just like a tree, you're either growing or dying. Nothing is going to stay the same.

Reunions, if anything, are where you expect to see old friends, not to make new ones. To renew old acquaintances and to catch up with the news of the past decades. In my case, I moved away and so I'm the one who has to go back, even to see such family as I have left back home.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: nuduke on March 23, 2018, 10:16:05 PM

I've been to a couple of class reunions and had a couple of individual reunions with classmates of the 1960s and in every case the conversation just seemed to pick up from where it left off about 40 years ago.  Its uncanny.  Your friends of teenage years were friends and that vibe seems to rekindle again on the reunion - people change but some stuff deep down stays constant over time I reckon.  Or maybe its just that we don't see eachother for 40 years and therefore all that's left is the old camaraderie, that starts the conversation off.  Those reunions I've had have mostly been very positive.
John
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 28, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
It wasn't at a class reunion, but at my niece's wedding reception that I saw someone from those days that was so changed I didn't recognize her. I wasn't that I thought I knew who it was, I was simply curious WHO it was. I didn't even suspect that I once knew her.

I asked my sister, "Who is that?" and was amazed at the answer!
Time, 30+ years, doesn't take as big a toll as life does.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: John P on March 29, 2018, 11:09:50 AM
"I went to my class reunion, but everyone had got so fat and ugly that they didn't recognize me!"
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 29, 2018, 01:01:44 PM
I wonder how much I've really changed since I finished high school? I have certainly had a lot of different experiences over the decades.
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: jbeegoode on March 29, 2018, 08:05:17 PM
I know that I have changed and swung from place to place lifestyle to lifestyle, fat to thin and back. The thing is that "back"part. So, what has been consistent has been some core values. Some have dropped off and some are still being discarded.

It is often like my mustache. It has been there since it appeared, but it has changed in its style, thickness and color.

My naturism and nudity has changed in style, attitude and circumstance, but the key features have been my experience of it. Raised with "nasty" activity, changed as a teen with one shower with a girlfriend to an attitude of wholesome. Revolutionary in the 60's, great fun and curiosity to see what people were hiding, a stand for humanity, a sense of escape from all wrong and to relaxation. A compulsion, a natural bit of voyeur, a spiritual integration, a sense of being, a tool toward change in consciousness and spiritual growth, something that needs liberation, a norm in a generally textile world, countless wonderments and oneness and gratitude. But consistently, it has just felt right, naturally a part of me, like that mustache. If only I could wear it as easily and as accepted as that mustache.

We adapt to the moment with what we know, or can relate to it. The high school guy is still in there and he might come out after being dormant, when the circumstance seems appropriate. Some things haven't basically changed in me, or I can revert back to that learning. Some things evolve and devolve. Change still seems inevitable. The guy in high school is still around, but his body has changed, his attitude and confidence is different, he is hungry for different aspects of life. He has some wisdom, but is not beyond exhibiting stupid.

I was discussing high school reunions with my 91 year old friend a couple of days ago. He has returned to his every 5 years. The last one had 12 out of 16 show up!
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: eyesup on March 29, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
When I went naked in the woods as a kid, it was risky, exotic. I wasn’t supposed to be doing that. After growing up and moving away it was many years before I resumed out here in the desert. That occurred because I was out rock climbing and after putting my gear away I went on a naked hike on the spur of the moment.

No longer risky but fitting. I had been up on the rocks and mountain and taking the climbing of those rocks a little further I decided to experience them more differently.

Yeah, wholesome.

Duane
Title: Re: Stress reliever
Post by: BlueTrain on March 30, 2018, 01:07:27 AM
When I went naked in the woods when I was in high school, there was probably more risk than I realized, yet I never came close to being in any kind of trouble. We were living in a place, not quite a farm, that had a lot of wooded acreage, very hilly. I never thought of it as exotic or in any way like Tarzan or anything like that. I did see an occasional snake but there were no deer, so there were no ticks. My legs and ankles were always scratched up from briers, though. I used to go fairly long distances sometimes, too, at least by my standards at the time, but I frequently went beyond the boundaries of the property. I did a lot in the relative short time I lived there.