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Title: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on March 18, 2017, 06:56:30 AM

http://www.uckya.com/organizing-backyard-nudist-colony-las-vegas-nevada/

Short article and video about this bloke in Vegas with a back yard nudist club, but the good bit is his answer to peeping drones - he's fitted his own drone with a catching net! Neat. The video includes a shot of if in flight, towards the end

Peter
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: ric on March 18, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
ive been lookine on line at home built crossbows :D
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on March 31, 2017, 07:27:36 AM
The problem with arrows is they have to come down somewhere. If you are lucky, no harm is done.

Ask Longfellow.  ;D

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on March 31, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
I would not be hard to produce a radio frequency transmitter that disrupted control of the drone and caused it to crash.  I'm sure though that government  would outlaw and punish it worse than arrows. 
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on April 01, 2017, 12:00:08 AM
Just had a case reported today of a drone near-miss with an airliner on landing approach at 10,000 feet! When they go that high they're flying saucers!!
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: JOhnGw on April 01, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
And a near miss on the approaches to Heathrow.
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 03, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Some fool will do something foolish and bring down the full weight of congress on the new market.

Frankly I don't see the difference between a peeping tom or someone using a drone.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on April 04, 2017, 02:10:00 AM
Frankly I don't see the difference between a peeping tom or someone using a drone.
Duane

You raise a good comparison, Duane. 

These days the better space satellites can probably take a pretty decent photo of naked ramblers.  A few years ago there was a thing on internet listing Google Earth photos of naked bodies.  A lot of Google Earth was done with high flying airplanes though. 

Public statements about space spies say they can read car license numbers.  How much better than that they have become is secret is only a guess.  They may be able to count the hairs on your nipple if they bothered to do so.  I've pretty much given up and just accepted that I'm going to be photographed naked if I'm out wandering about naked.

Twenty five years ago I was standing up naked at Spence hot springs in New Mexico when I looked over to the next land rise and saw this guy with a camera and very large lens pointed at us naked hot springs people.  He was obviously trying to hide in the woods while taking photos of naked humans.   At that point there wasn't much I could do but look straight at him, smile and wave.  He got embarrassed at being seen and left.  Pretty much if its some guy in the woods with a long lens, a Google plane, a drone, spy satellite, or another hiker with a cell phone, we're going to get our images recorded.   

I suppose a "Peeping Tom" is someone who comes up to your window and peeks under the curtains trying to see someone who isn't going about outside naked.  But what about someone who climbs a ladder to peek over your 10 foot cinder block wall and see your backyard pool area?   Its just hard to know these days.   I usually ignore surveillance cameras.   

Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nudewalker on April 04, 2017, 03:55:37 PM
We go through these discussions every once in a while and I brought it up again after reading Bob's post. Why is it when the news shows security camera footage they always say the police need help in identifying this suspect? And the footage is so bad that only if one would recognize an article of clothing could you give any kind of help. Anyway, I agree with Bob and I no longer concern myself with security cameras as the feed isn't viewed without a reason. So as long as no crimes are committed your image is spared. Even then they would be looking for something specific so I doubt you'd be noticed then.

AS for the drones; if nudity were the norm that  would solve our problems but the bigger picture comes from the danger to air traffic. And as Duane mentioned someone will do something foolish sooner or later. Or somehow it will get sorted out in the courts but I'm not looking for a favorable ruling for individual rights!
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 06, 2017, 05:09:08 PM
My issue with drones is strictly one regarding individual rights. If I am on my property, no one has the right to observe, monitor and document what I am doing. This another one of those constitutional rights that is slowly disappearing. With electronic surveillance of all types showing up in all manner of devices, we surrender these voluntarily by accepting them into our homes.

I just have a gut reaction against them. Just bein' my normal ornery self.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on April 06, 2017, 07:20:46 PM
I watched a Detective show on TV yesterday.  Some guy in Wyoming was killed and his car was stolen.  Cops found a security camera down the road from his condo that showed a pickup and car haul trailer turning around in the parking lot right before the murder.  Then they found other security cams at other nearby businesses and had a photo of the pickup with stolen car on the trailer.  Eventually they found security cam images of the truck and trailer, and the man's face, at a truck stop an hour down the highway.  That one was clear enough to get the license plate number on the rented trailer.  Soon they had video of him turning in the rented trailer in Oklahoma.   I have read that there are many more cameras in places like London than in Wyoming and Oklahoma.   

Bottom line is that we are being recorded on video everywhere we go if someone is interested enough to take the time to sit through hours of nothing to find us.

There still are some hidden places where video is not recorded, out in the wild perhaps, but watch out for "game" cams.   I bought a game cam a while ago.  It was about the size of a box lunch.  I may have noticed one of those if I walked by.  The ones they sell today can be as small as a key fob, and painted camo.   No way anyone will see that.

We are going to have to be more demanding with politicians to make it clearly legal to be naked.  Otherwise we will be naked on video in court for "disturbing the peace" or some such charge if some idiot gets "offended."   I tend to ignore video because USUALLY nobody is watching or cares.  But the long term trend requires political activism.

Bob
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 07, 2017, 08:39:01 PM

I read somewhere that UK has more cctv surveillance than anywhere else.  We just love it in the uk and drones make the job that much easier (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/20/police-force-recruits-drone-manager-take-control-crime-fighting/)!  I suspect one day we will not go a day without being buzzed by many automatic drones programmed to go take a peek at what the AI programme thinks is suspicious.  If the AI is anything like the Amazon Alexa I bought the wife for her birthday there is going to be a hell of a lot of injustice done.


Mind you, drones are making a major contribution to TV documentaries these days.  In the past aerial and even moving camera photography was expensive.  Nowadays with AI controlling the stability of drones and Hi Def cameras so small they can be a drone's payload, there are some spectacular landscapes and moving shots being taken from drones.


I thought I might acquire a camera drone for fun but I reckon there must be a risk of someone complaining you are snooping - the reverse of the problem of earlier in this discussion (being snooped upon).


John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on April 07, 2017, 10:59:24 PM
Perhaps if you can't beat 'em, join 'em? For example, Nuduke could scope out an entire area, ascertain that there is no none else in the greater vicinity and be free to have a nude drone session, or hike.
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nudewalker on April 08, 2017, 04:24:31 PM
I had won a drone in a Chinese gift exchange and was thinking about documenting an naked adventure with it. For example, the wildlife areas frequented that have the expanses of cornfields or even those wide grassy paths that Jbee loves to see. Just when the juices of imagination began flowing it got stolen from me. I never thought about it again until the last post. It might have to be a two coffee pot morning!
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 10, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Bob
We are going to have to be more demanding with politicians to make it clearly legal to be naked.  Otherwise we will be naked on video in court for "disturbing the peace" or some such charge if some idiot gets "offended."   I tend to ignore video because USUALLY nobody is watching or cares.  But the long term trend requires political activism.

Bob, I think you are probably right about that!
A silver lining of sorts?

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: JOhnGw on April 10, 2017, 10:22:14 PM
Quote from: Bob
We are going to have to be more demanding with politicians to make it clearly legal to be naked.  Otherwise we will be naked on video in court for "disturbing the peace" or some such charge if some idiot gets "offended."   I tend to ignore video because USUALLY nobody is watching or cares.  But the long term trend requires political activism.

Bob, I think you are probably right about that!
A silver lining of sorts?

Duane
Luckily, in the UK the Sexual Offences Act will probably cover you as the drone operator will have been guilty of voyeurism and probably also of contravening some of the air navigation regulations concerning unmanned aircraft.
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 12, 2017, 09:30:45 PM

Perhaps if you can't beat 'em, join 'em? For example, Nuduke could scope out an entire area, ascertain that there is no none else in the greater vicinity and be free to have a nude drone session, or hike.
Jbee
Brilliant!  I hadn't thought of it that way!  An eye in the sky to check the coast is clear.  My interest is rekindled!
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 12, 2017, 09:34:27 PM

Luckily, in the UK the Sexual Offences Act will probably cover you as the drone operator will have been guilty of voyeurism and probably also of contravening some of the air navigation regulations concerning unmanned aircraft.
Ah!  I hadn't thought about that either!!
But one can keep the drone below aviation height.  The voyeurism issue may be more food for thought.
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on April 12, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
Interesting notion, John - is a naturist drone-spying on a textile a reverse-voyeur? An interesting conundrum, m'lud
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 13, 2017, 12:29:09 AM
I wouldn't bother with all the gear for the same reason I never carried any kind of music device when hiking. It detracts from the reason I am there.

To get away from all that stuff!

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 13, 2017, 08:24:38 PM

I wouldn't bother with all the gear for the same reason I never carried any kind of music device when hiking. It detracts from the reason I am there.
To get away from all that stuff!
Duane
Well quite so!  Well said.
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on April 14, 2017, 12:10:22 AM
It is one thing to carry a burden when hiking. It is another to carry something a mile, give or take, stop and enjoy a spot, after parking the burden. So, I'd see myself lugging a super-light toy and its boxed guidance system, with a light bag for clothing and a snack, especially in a populous area, or one with trees. Remote controlled toys are fun.

Those drones can be weightless and with less bulk. There may be one that is a practical carry. One with a camera would make a kick-butt trip report video!
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on April 14, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
As they're all powered by rechargeable batteries, JB, you'd also need to be packing your solar-powered battery charger. And your laptop to download the video files of each flight. Super light is getting heavier, but you're right about the end result.
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 14, 2017, 06:51:45 PM
The better the camera the more it weighs. The more onboard storage the more it weighs.
If you forgo the onboard storage and go for the realtime feed to a computer, you have to carry that.

As pjcomp said, it's getting heavier with more parts and devices to keep track of.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on April 14, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
The better the camera the more it weighs. The more onboard storage the more it weighs.
If you forgo the onboard storage and go for the realtime feed to a computer, you have to carry that.

Data storage keeps getting smaller.  The new 64 Gig chips are so small that they come with a larger holder that fits into the older ports.  64 G is no bigger than my finger nail, not as big as my thumb nail.  Its so thin and light its very easy to lose.  Probably now what I have one the industry is producing 250 G chips the same size.  That would record a lot of quality video. 

The realtime feed is another question.  Many drones need real time video feed to the controller for the pilot to manage the operation.  I suppose that is often separate from the direction changing camera underneath.  So that would be 2 real time video feeds.  I'm pretty sure that operation requires some kind of computer and video screen in the controller.  It could also be made to record. 

The market probably sells cheap toys without any video but you can't fly out of short range line of sight. 


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As pjcomp said, it's getting heavier with more parts and devices to keep track of.
Duane

I'm not sure I want one.   If I was a professional travel video person it would be tools of the trade.  Not for a leisurely Saturday walk. 


Bob
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 17, 2017, 05:40:57 PM

Yes indeedy, Bob, data is really tiny!


Consider the following digression:
What size is the data occupied by a suitable reference book? 
I have chosen the 1611 King James Bible for ease of getting statsSo if you feel so inclined, on your mobile phone (in which, in mine, I have a 128GB card) you can download the KJB and find a suitable passage - say, Psalm 23 (The Lord is my Shepherd).  And you can marvel that, incredibly, it finds something sooooo tiny weeny in an instant and does it by magically detecting where your finger is on the screen to boot! 
I went to this trouble of boring you with my geeky calcs because it just shows one small (sic) instance of how far we have come technologically.  If printed words were are the things that, in 1611 gave you power to innovate and create change, today bits and bytes do the same for technological advancement.  Awesome!
Digression over :D  8)
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: John P on April 17, 2017, 07:54:31 PM
The realtime feed is another question.  Many drones need real time video feed to the controller for the pilot to manage the operation. ... I'm pretty sure that operation requires some kind of computer and video screen in the controller.  It could also be made to record. 

A big screen would be way too cumbersome and wouldn't be easy to see in sunlight. They use goggles:
https://www.dronezon.com/drone-reviews/fpv-goggles-for-drones-to-experience-the-thrill-of-flying/

FPV = "First Person Video".
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 17, 2017, 09:43:07 PM
While the whole drone and spying phenomenon is gaining momentum, I am wondering about such a level of sophistication in technology making it easier and easier to experience life vicariously and/or virtually.

I find it puzzling and somewhat disturbing.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 17, 2017, 09:47:23 PM
Truly geeky, John! Iím impressed! :D
After being energized your enthusiastic response to, ďour unremitting pedantryĒ, letís take the analogy further.

Consider the phrase A picture is worth a thousand words (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words.html). A inspirational painting or photograph may evoke endless streams of words. But digitally speaking, a hi-res image can push upwards of 5-6 mb of data on the low end. Higher pixel counts can up it to double that size. And thatís a photo. Not a movie!

So your estimate of 6 mb for the KJV Bible equates to one hi-res photo (not-movie). I can only imagine, having no experience, that a routine photo or short film from a surveillance of a random area would be boring indeed and unlikely to trigger torrents of inspirational phraseology. Probably less than a thousand words, unless you are a botanist, residential planner or high-rise engineer.

So, using your choice of example, the KJV Bible, how many pictures would be needed to generate the same inspirational, or controversial, content as the KJV. Text does use less memory space than graphics so it does appear that storing a text uses less space. Of course the traditional saying of a thousand words does not specify the type of words. Descriptive, technical or inspirational.

END of pedantic episode! ;D

Duane

Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 18, 2017, 10:17:05 PM

Truly lateral (or perhaps Lateran!) thinking there, Duane!
Chalk one up for the bible then, in terms of depth of interesting content per cubic Megabyte!  Mind you, A Brief History of Time or The Lord of the Rings would be equally data : interest ratio positive, I suggest!
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: JOhnGw on April 19, 2017, 09:35:56 AM
In my opinion a more valid size comparison would be using a digital photograph of a truly inspirational painting at the minimum pixel density which would preserve its iconic status.
I leave it to the true geeks to determine this figure.
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 20, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
I would agree, except for the images of paintings.

When I lived in Houston, A portion of The Armand Hammer collection came to the Museum of Fine Arts there. I was able to approach paintings by great masters to within a few feet. I could see brush strokes and how colors were used to create the image. I could then move back several feet to see the overall effect.

I will never be a painter but being able to see how the paint was used to create the image certainly would generate many different kinds of inspiration.

I read somewhere years ago that when Mr. Gates built his monument he didn't have paintings in his house. He had flat screens every where that randomly showed different pictures of art. Seemed to be more interested in quantity than anything else. You wouldn't be able to walk up to the canvas and see HOW it was done.

Some technologies lend themselves better than others.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on April 21, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
After watching John P.'s wonderful geeky techy videos but enlightening, the toys look very fun. I did notice that the quad sounded like a swarm of bees. Naked in the desert, this is an alarming noise, everything stops and we wait. Now, I know that it can mean something else. The bees are likely to be swarming at a sufficient height to avoid contact, they pass by. One of these things would nail me down, as I would be thinking bees, and then spy on me. It is good to know this and how to track them other than just visually.

After shooting it down, it is good to know that I would be sticking my finger in front of the owner's virtual face as it sits in my hand. Now, have I just acquired my own damaged quad, or what?

5 kilometers, eh! Hmmm.....
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on April 21, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Are you talking about honey bees or those ground dwelling wasps?

Around here if I see one of those wasps on the ground I keep my eyes peeled for their burrow. I don't want to step into that!

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on April 22, 2017, 10:55:18 PM

Quote from: eyesup
I will never be a painter


That's what I thought till I first gave it a go about 2010!  I can knock out a half decent watercolour these days! (Mind you, put the emphasis on the 'half''....Michaelangelo I ain't!). 


If you mean you never want to be a painter then that's absolutely fine - it's a choice.  But if you have an inkling to try it but don't believe you have any talent for painting, I would be sceptical about that belief.  Like ANY technique - it can be learned.  These days I find that getting a picture at the end is about accurate drafting and careful mathematical layout at the beginning ...before you slosh the colour on.  Go to a starters class, Duane, that's how I got started!


But beware - if you get hooked it competes for your time versus naturist hikes!  I guess it would be perfectly possible to take some art kit and paint 'au plein air' whilst nuť au nature!  I paint in my office and that's often nude (me not the office!).


John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on April 23, 2017, 07:17:38 AM
That recalls the Dave Allen sketch.

Artist to model: "would you mind if I paint you in the nude?"

Model: "of course not."

Artist: "thank you" and strips off
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on April 23, 2017, 10:38:38 AM
They identified me as an art prodigy when I was a kid. I haven't done much drawing since mid high school. Water color was always a challenge, not much fun. I liked oils. "One of these days" I'm going to use the 50 year old set of oil paints that I found when my parents passed on. I'll have just that one set of tubes it get it and have fun.

These days I have fun drawing plans. I build things. I want to sculpt buildings and walls, which I have done.

I have a couple of buckets of quartz pea gravel in different colors. "One of these days" I'll turn that into a mosaic.
 
I build things out of old crap. Not that it is art, but it is creative and I'm just that cheap.

I like photography, set it up, push a button, most of the time on "auto."

I find that I like writing.

Everyone of these things is a nude activity.

Jbee



 
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on August 06, 2017, 07:41:30 AM

http://www.popsci.com/it-is-federal-crime-to-shoot-down-drone-says-faa

Just so you know ...
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on August 08, 2017, 08:07:01 AM
Thank-you. My response, prove it. My response, invasion of privacy is illegal. Second Amendment has lots of constitutional actions that have gone through the Supreme Court. It is not illegal to protect yourself from an illegal act, or a threat to your property , or body, so privacy would also be included. It would have to get it through the courts. If they are flying that low, it is illegal. You can't fly below 1000 ft. over urban, suburban areas, it follows that that would include drones, if they are considered aircraft. If there is a safety issue to shooting them down. In short it has to go through the courts, the FAA doesn't police these things, they are not pilots. The origin of the shooting has to be proven. The identity has to be proven, the gun must be found and linked to the target.

The FAA can rule all that they want, but it is unenforceable, too much trouble, and probably illegal, an overstep. Endangering public safety has many levels of consequence, depending.
 
The laws which deny firing a weapon in urban areas are more likely to be enforced. Those laws are not easily enforced either.

The police are busy and it is a very very low priority, unless there is a ready made case for them.

Jus' my thoughts....
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: ric on August 08, 2017, 10:38:16 AM
rifle bullets they can match the bullet to the barrel it was fired through ,  shotcun pellets are as far as i know immpossible to match to the gun....maybe to brand of ammo .

deny it and proof is difficult

in uk getting hold of a shotgun is difficult and as all are recorded it would be simple to find the owners in a given area.

air rifles are common and unrecorded... pellet could be matched to the barrel but theyve got to find it first.... if i show plod the 2 air rifles in the closet would they search the barns for the other one they dont know exists?

assuming nobody was killed by the falling drone it would be a lot of time and expense for a minor crime
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on August 08, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
rifle bullets they can match the bullet to the barrel it was fired through ,  shotgun pellets are as far as i know immpossible to match to the gun....maybe to brand of ammo .
deny it and proof is difficult

Shotgun pellets can't be matched. 


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in uk getting hold of a shotgun is difficult and as all are recorded it would be simple to find the owners in a given area.

In the US, virtually every rural residence has at least one shotgun, most have more than one.  So do lots city people. 


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air rifles are common and unrecorded... pellet could be matched to the barrel but theyve got to find it first.... if i show plod the 2 air rifles in the closet would they search the barns for the other one they dont know exists?

I don't think you can match barrels of most air rifles either.  But they would be ineffective or difficult to shoot down a drone.  A shotgun or throwing a towel would be more effective.


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assuming nobody was killed by the falling drone it would be a lot of time and expense for a minor crime


Yep.  Will the drone owner argue with the shotgun guy?    Probably not.

Bob
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: ric on August 08, 2017, 06:25:43 PM
the barn in the field next to us has just got planning for conversion , estate agents were out last week taking piccies for the marketing... they had a drone up for airial shots , it hovers to take pics so a stationary target well within air rifle range... i was tempted....no bang with an air rifle so the drone oporator wouldnt even know he was being shot at
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on August 08, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
it hovers to take pics so a stationary target well within air rifle range... i was tempted....no bang with an air rifle so the drone oporator wouldnt even know he was being shot at


A paint ball gun like Airsoft might be a really good choice for low flying drones. 
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on August 08, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
Paintball and air-soft are difficult because the trajectory arch is so extreme, but they are silent. A BB rifle can be straighter and rapid fire. Pellet guns can be scoped and run straight for a pretty good range and more accurate than the rest. The preparation can be loads of fun. Target practice can be done in a front yard, depending where you live. Hunting drones would make wonderful challenging sport...naked. No powder burns or hot barrels.

I'm getting read to sell my paintball gear...hmm.
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: rrfalcon on August 08, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
The FAA regulations for drones don't say anything about altitude for recreational use, but for commercial use they can't fly *above* 400 feet. So clearly the 1000 foot minimum doesn't apply to drones. Shooting one down would be illegal under several laws (federal, state, and local) including interfering with an aircraft, vandalism, private property destruction, etc.

The drone operator has to keep the drone in sight, so it shouldn't be that hard to find him and complain.
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on August 09, 2017, 07:26:23 AM
US military to shoot down consumer drones http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40860806

I suspect the same applies to everyone's military bases

Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on August 10, 2017, 05:53:48 AM
Quote from: Jbee
It is not illegal to protect yourself from an illegal act, or a threat to your property , or body, so privacy would also be included.
Iím with Jbee on this one. The FAA doesnít make law. Congress and the Executive branch do that. Congress and the Supreme Court are in charge of making and interpreting law. Thank God a bureaucracy has to answer to higher ups.

Besides, there are already exceptions (https://www.dpreview.com/news/7939502415/pentagon-gives-military-bases-approval-to-shoot-down-wayward-camera-drones) being invented for special groups. As usual the average guy doesnít get those.

If the FAA says you canít take them out of the air and they canít be over 400 ft. whatís to stop them from coming into the backyard at 20 ft. If itís illegal to take them out whatís our option. This is crazy!

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on August 10, 2017, 02:25:46 PM

If the FAA says you canít take them out of the air and they canít be over 400 ft. whatís to stop them from coming into the backyard at 20 ft. If itís illegal to take them out whatís our option. This is crazy!
Duane


I suspect that if its flying low enough over your back yard so you can hit it by throwing a towel, that won't count as "shooting" it down.

Bob
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on August 10, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
There are concepts established in concern to Right to Privacy. There are established Second Amendment Rights and defense of property, and other Rights. It is Constitutional Law, based on "Rights."

So, the FAA says that these don't exist and are not defensible, because of public safety. Another's property, which is trespassing in full and unquestionable effect, whether over my property trumps, my privacy, my property and privacy. The Second Amendment was created to defend Rights, which are no longer to be abused.

There is something wrong here, in amongst the confusion. I'm supposed to be secure in my effects, in my home, so others don't stop by, treating it as they please, anymore than having to have my place commandeered by military troops. There are some principles being increasingly ignored, whether it is being tracked by my phone, having my private correspondence collected and read by a government, or being spied upon by drones, by anybody. By the same token, I have the right to choose what I deem private, or not. If I think my privates are private, or not, it is up to me.

Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Peter S on August 10, 2017, 07:21:41 PM
Seems to me there are two different arguments here, privacy and property. A camera intruding on one's privacy - through a window, in a garden or similar made private by walls, fences - should undoubtedly be ruled illegal in any civilised country.

The property argument gets a bit more nuanced - where does one's property stop? Once we get three-dimensional the lawyers have room to manoeuvre. At what height does my property become common airspace?

If we take, say, the high point of the roof as the upper property limit (legal argument will centre on the owners of single storey homes being short-changed) then a drone above that height is not intruding on your property. At this point, it could be argued that anything it can 'see' is on public view the same as if a street-level camera was looking at someone in an unfenced garden.

Once again existing law is not keeping up with the changes society is accepting in the day-to-day.

On balance, I'd go with downing the drone and challenging anyone to prove it was me!!
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on August 11, 2017, 04:08:59 PM
The other side of privacy is that privacy has become history.  Ubiquitous video cams, private and public surveillance video on every street, and a digital cam in everyone's hand has pretty much rendered obsolete any notion that someone can go naked any time or any where without being photoed, imaged, cammed, etc. 

40 years ago pictures had a cost. Film was expensive and processing more expensive.  Naked photos were often subject to complaints by the local film processors.  That all has changed with new ubiquitous digital cameras.  Pictures are free.  Many people do them several times a day, every day.

Nudist factory farms still have rules against cameras, but everyone carries a camera in their pocket or bag and makes many photos of the crowd. Neighbors use ZOOM features to take "close up" pictures from 500 meters.  Drones are another new toy, but not yet an important part of getting photographed while naked.  We might as well get used to it.  We aren't going to be naked and hidden. 

The other part of ubiquitous digital images is that EVERY human is fascinated by the images of other humans, especially naked humans.  Billions of images of naked humans are exchanged, traded, shared, and enjoyed on Internet every day by almost every user.  The whole population is becoming used to seeing images of naked humans with their morning coffee and their afternoon tea.  40 years ago one had to go to little seedy "adult" shops and pay extra for "naughty" pictures of naked humans.  Digital images has wiped most of those out too.  The public at large, from children to old ladies, is used to seeing images of naked humans and naked becomes more and more normal every year.

We might as well assume we are being photographed every time we go out of our door, and I'm not sure about inside any more.  Images of our nude bodies becomes part of the billions of naked human pictures.  Surveillance video probably never gets viewed, and if it does nobody cares. 

Google Earth takes naked photos from space or from airplanes.  Ten years ago there were lists of coordinates which Google Earth showed naked people in back yards.  A drone is really only a nuisance if it is low enough to be dangerous.  Our best answer is to wave at the camera and ignore it.  Then, if the guy is a neighbor, go have a chat and invite him over.  We really don't need to be up tight about getting our pictures shared. 

Bob


Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: Bob Knows on August 11, 2017, 05:40:59 PM
Thought you guys might enjoy this meme I found on Facebook.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20664074_10155270039019724_7040593301584936867_n.jpg?oh=47b444a33b0a873920a9821f0bb992ac&oe=5A2DA105)

Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on August 11, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
Drone disintegration device! How much you wanna bet this guy gets a boner when he fires that monster? I don't know what that thing fires, but one round is probably a fortune. Such a grin, such heavy duty ear protectors.

We used to have one of those Gatling style monsters off of a military helicopter bid that we scrapped (I owned part of a scrap metal operation). It had bent barrel. Just as well, the rapid fire of those huge shells would be thousands for a minutes fun.

Surface to air missiles to knock out the drones!?!

Yea, Bob, it is senseless to get upset about getting our pictures shared, but then ones vanity would like to choose.

Another thing, I found a pic of me skinnydipping at a pool party on facebook. I'm shown with two weird people that I don't really know, like we are friends, but I've never spoken to them. I don't like it when my photo is construed out of context. I feel the right to present myself as I am.
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: ric on August 12, 2017, 10:24:18 AM
my first thoughts when seeing the pic of the massive gun..... bet hes got a wee apendige. :)
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: jbeegoode on August 12, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Size doesn't matter, it's the aim and motion in the trajectory that counts. ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: nuduke on August 14, 2017, 06:18:19 PM

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Once we get three-dimensional the lawyers have room to manoeuvre
A grim thought indeed!
John
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on August 14, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: Bob
We really don't need to be up tight about getting our pictures shared.
As Jbee points out, itís in the Constitution. The thing that upsets me about this isnít so much the possibility that I may end up on the news or a blog somewhere, but that it represents a slow erosion of the rights guaranteed in the Constitution. This is more than just the right to privacy. Several rights guaranteed are beginning to be considered too extreme and are being constrained. Done long enough it becomes accepted as the norm till no one sees the importance of those cherished rights.

Itís loss of what once was considered sacred, and the blaise attitude about that loss sends me Ďround the bend.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: eyesup on August 14, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: ric
. . . bet hes got a wee apendige.
Or self image.

Duane
Title: Re: Drone update
Post by: ric on August 16, 2017, 11:47:23 AM
took our youngest to the docs this morning , hes off to uni so having the baby vaccinations he didnt have,  reading a magazine in the waiting room... french military have 4 golden eagles in training to attack drones. seem to be looking at ways to combat terrorist usage on military instalations and airports.