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Title: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on May 22, 2017, 09:40:02 PM
Oregon (USA) is a nude tolerant state in some ways.  Oregon has two official State Parks with nude (clothing optional) beaches on the Columbia River near Portland, OR.  Nudity is not illegal in any Oregon state park without sexual content, but the nude beaches have been there since before court cases upheld the law.

Their law only prohibits exposure of genitals for the purpose of sexual gratification or simulation of someone else.  Nude bodies are not illegal in most of Oregon.  Its largest city, Portland, has what may be the largest World Naked Bike Ride attracting something like 10,000 riders.  Portland adopted a city ordinance prohibiting nudity except for political demonstrations such as the WNBR. There are a couple of small towns that also prohibit nudity by city ordinance.   

So I'm going to visit Eugene, Oregon (home of the Oregon Ducks sports teams).  Eugen and its surrounding County, Lane County, have local ordinances prohibiting nudity even without sexual content.  I have wondered about that for some time.  Eugene prides itself on being the most liberal place in Oregon which is a very liberal state.  Why then does Eugene and Lane County prohibit naked bodies?

This morning I was looking for information on a place called "Nudie Rock," a beach on the McKenzie river in Lane country where an on-line nudist assured me that they have time to cover when the Sheriff boat approaches.  I ran across an older article about where to go nude in Oregon. That published article, and every published article I've read promoted an AANR nudist resort called Willamettans.  This is from another similar article on going naked in Oregon.   

http://thatoregonlife.com/2016/07/20-places-get-naked-chill-oregon/ (http://thatoregonlife.com/2016/07/20-places-get-naked-chill-oregon/)
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Formerly known as the Everygreen Lodge, you will find the Willamettans in the Eugene area. This club is said to be the largest nudist club in the Pacific Northwest, with over 350 members currently. This resort offers courts for all sports, a clubhouse, RV/tent camping and more.   

Going naked in Oregon we are fighting the AANR in addition to local prudes.  Willamettans, AANR, is why Lane County outlaws nudity everywhere else.  There is no money in free nudity.  They, and some other smaller AANR resorts are always cited in publications about where to get naked in Oregon.  Virtually never mentioned is the fact that its legal to get naked just about EVERYWHERE in Oregon.  Only the big city (but not suburbs), a couple of small conservative towns, and Willamettans home county outlaw nudity.  They continue to work hard to limit pubic use of the freedom to just go naked.  They have a big financial interest in keeping me and everyone else from just going out to the Oregon Beaches and going naked in the sand.

BOOO on Willamettans.  Nude should be free everywhere. 
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: JOhnGw on May 22, 2017, 10:57:04 PM
A typical example of how the money interest if Trumping everything else - on both sides of the puddle.
In the UK industry is declining because the city people can make more money by importing and investing in the overseas companies that they import from.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on May 23, 2017, 09:03:20 AM
JOhnGW: Multinational and umbrella games?

Bob: That is a big pot of information on Oregon, THANK-YOU. We are attempting to find out how to get to the Rainbow Gathering with all of the other things going on this year. It would be in Oregon and a couple of weeks or less after WNBR and the Oregon County Fair. It would make a wonderful vacation, but there are pressing issues this year in concern of time and money...we'll see.
Jbee

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: John P on May 23, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
There's a guy in Oregon who's trying to get a nude hiking group together:
http://www.aanr-nw.org/2017/01/
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 23, 2017, 06:40:32 PM
Between the AANR and the resort it sounds like when a company gets legislation passed that guarantees a revenue stream.

* . . . . . .

You can't push for nude tolerance and then restrict it in certain spots for your financial benefit and call yourself advocate.

Duane

* Deleted a small rant before it balooned  ;D
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 23, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
Jbee, my wife's job takes her to Oregon occasionally and I was searching for nude venues and activities in anticipation of meeting her there on one of her business trips after she finishes her meetings.

I bookmarked this one:
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/2015/06/how_to_get_naked_in_oregon.html
Hope it adds to your options.

That looks interesting, John. That is a 770 mile 13 hrs. one way trip, but a week of naked hiking in the mountains is tempting.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on May 23, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
I bookmarked this one:
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/2015/06/how_to_get_naked_in_oregon.html
Hope it adds to your options.
Duane


That latest Oregonian article is typical of years of nudist resort publicity in Oregon.   You actually can legally go naked in probably 99% of Oregon.  The whole Oregon ocean Beach, hundreds of miles is legally CO.  So is the whole Columbia River and other river beaches except the city of Portland and Lane county.  But once again the Oregonian Newspaper tells people that they have to go to an officially designated nude resort or designated reserve beach to go naked.     They are fighting hard to preserve the commercial nudist resorts and confine nudity to a few locations.   Its what we call FAKE NEWS.   Newspapers are just about all FAKE NEWS.



Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 25, 2017, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bob
. . . You actually can legally go naked in probably 99% of Oregon.  The whole Oregon ocean Beach, hundreds of miles is legally CO.  So is the whole Columbia River and other river beaches except the city of Portland and Lane county.

That makes it easier to decide where to go! It is probably simpler to find out where you can't go CO. Where do you go to get the information on where it is legal and illegal?

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on May 25, 2017, 05:44:29 PM
That makes it easier to decide where to go! It is probably simpler to find out where you can't go CO. Where do you go to get the information on where it is legal and illegal?
Duane

Where you can't legally go naked in Oregon is the city of Portland, city of Happy Valley (one small Portland suburb), city of Ashland (a small town near the California border), and Lane County including the city of Eugene where Willamettans nudist resort is located.   Everywhere else in the state of Oregon is legally clothing optional if you don't engage in blatant sexual activity.

http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/06/public_nudity_in_oregon.html
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 25, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
Thanks.

If I ever go up to meet Mrs.E I'll check out where we end up. Maybe I can sneak in some CO time while I'm there.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on May 26, 2017, 04:03:57 AM
All of the ordinances are quite clear. Don't "expose genitals" to the opposite sex. Just the genitals. The rest is free. There are no other restrictions that could cause arrest in the state. You might get a " cover 'em up" from an authority, or stir up some trouble with someone who can't mind his or her business and gets verbal or worse. That's pretty liberal over all.

 I'm now planning a summer trip to Oregon. Gonna tour the hot springs and forests.
Thank-you,
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 26, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
Some ordinances specifically mention the anus, the ones here for instance.
Just some bureaucrat being . . . nahh I wont do that one, too easy.  :D
If careful you wont break that rule.

Ill start looking for a good spot if I get up there on one of our joint trips.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on May 27, 2017, 12:27:20 AM
All of the ordinances are quite clear. Don't "expose genitals" to the opposite sex. Just the genitals. The rest is free. There are no other restrictions that could cause arrest in the state. You might get a " cover 'em up" from an authority, or stir up some trouble with someone who can't mind his or her business and gets verbal or worse. That's pretty liberal over all.

 I'm now planning a summer trip to Oregon. Gonna tour the hot springs and forests.
Thank-you,
Jbee


Last year I was overnighting at a campground on the Snake River near Ontario, Oregon.   After dinner I was sitting reading a book at a picnic table in front of my RV.  The campground manager came riding up on a 4 wheeler, and demanded that I put on some clothing.   It was late and I didn't want to leave his private campground, so I went inside and went to bed. 

They didn't call the police about me being naked. 

Then about 3:30 AM I went back outside naked, unhooked and packed up my stuff and drove off.  I have crossed them off from my list of places to stay in Oregon.

Bob
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on May 30, 2017, 05:58:26 PM
You said that Portland and Lane County were the only areas that prohibit nudity. Was the campground in Lane Cty.?

Being that it is a privately owned facility I guess he can do that. But he lost a repeat customer in the process.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on May 30, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
You said that Portland and Lane County were the only areas that prohibit nudity. Was the campground in Lane Cty.?

Eugene is the city in Lane County.  Eugene and Lane county both have local ordinances prohibiting exposure of genitals.   The Willamittans nudist club is something like 10 miles out of Eugene city limits, still in Lane County.  Eugene is probably the most liberal city in Oregon, and probably would be happy with legalized general nudity unless there was an organized lobbying effort to pass a local prohibition. 


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Being that it is a privately owned facility I guess he can do that. But he lost a repeat customer in the process.
Duane

The Willamittans most likely is concerned about losing a lot of repeat customers if people could just go naked anywhere.   The whole AANR business model depends on making nudity illegal everywhere else, other than private nudist resorts. 

Bob



Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Rebus on June 02, 2017, 07:38:10 PM
The week long naked (day) hiking tour is a go, based out of Squaw Mountain Ranch in NW Oregon, last week of July.  Each day is a new destination.
See https://www.meetup.com/Siskiyou-Hiking-Bares/events/238650333/

To quote:
"I have arranged with Squaw Mt. Ranch just east of Estacada, OR to host this meetup by providing a place for us to camp. They have also agreed to provide food service of supper and possibly breakfast as well. Camping and food, including grounds use for $30- $35 per day, with the exact amount determined after we have a final head count. I think this is a great deal. The lodge will also be available for our group, with a few rooms available for sleeping, some floor space and kitchen facilities."

"The Hiking Tour will consist of five day hikes, using Squaw Mountain Ranch Nude Resort as our base of the tour.  This hiking tour is patterned after the Nude European Walking Tour which takes place each summer in Germany or Austria."

"There are some great hikes in the area, including a hike to Bagby Hot Springs on one of the days.  This will be a bucket list vacation you will want to do at least once."
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: John P on June 03, 2017, 04:15:57 AM
Rebus, it seems to me that you're probably the person who was mentioned in the AANR Northwest newsletter, and also the one behind the Siskiyou Hiking Bares. I'm trying to clarify this in order to be sure that there aren't multiple people running Oregon naturist hiking groups!

It's too bad that the Siskiyou Hiking Bares Meetup page has to say "This group's content is available only to members". That makes the information unavailable to a casual visitor who doesn't want to sign up.

One notes background images by the excellent Henry Yuen.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 03, 2017, 03:34:09 PM

It's too bad that the Siskiyou Hiking Bares Meetup page has to say "This group's content is available only to members". That makes the information unavailable to a casual visitor who doesn't want to sign up.


I noticed that too.  I cancelled my Meetup membership when its management went deep into sponsoring radical leftist political action.  The hiking group needs to be moved to a web site without all the radical political baggage.

I don't live very far from Oregon.  Its about 1/2 day drive to the venue.  I was curious about the details of the nude hiking group, but the web site is limited. 

Bob
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 03, 2017, 08:00:26 PM
That's a 12 hr. one way road trip to Ashland for me.

I was wondering about that too, John. If the other link you posted was the same event. If it's the same group, the other link occurred back in Feb.
No information on the website without joining. At least there is some here info in his post.

One week of naked hiking! Sounds wonderful.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2017, 08:46:47 PM
I use Meetup for my circle that I facilitate and it has been a mainstay for a couple of drum circles. Like minded and searching people get hooked up. It brings in newcomers, then we do a list to announce a special event, too. It is popular and a great way to get things going.

Whether it is used for radical right-wing political organizing or nude events, doesn't matter to me. The internet is now a forum, a place to be secure in your own papers and correspondence, a place to express belief, concerns, a soap box, a place to organize, to create revolution, or any change. The other media is now owned, by entities that want only to profit, divide and conquer and control the flow of information and what dominates the thoughts, issues and discussion among the people, which it is effectively doing. It is the only place democracy is functioning in this country. Meetup which allows any group to gather and advertise, is essential to that. That includes everybody's concerns and we as naturists need this more than ever. Meetup is free discourse and assembly, in a country now run for the profit of a few, like any South American fascist oligarchy. When things like Meetup are gone, nothing remains of a people's country.

The revolving door corporate system has taken over the FCC is now moving against the free internet, with regard to only corporate interests and against overwhelming opposition. To me this is out and out treason, blatantly undermining the principles Constitution and democratic function. Bob, instead of attacking modes of the foundation of free expression, we need to be standing up for it no matter what we disagree with. Truth and honest discourse, not win any way, at any cost, like "the powers that be" have degenerated into. Politically, we disagree, but I'll stand up for you and any crackpot ideas that piss me off, as long as you join me in turn to stand up for all the crackpots with me. We shouldn't mess with Meetup. It is not a political entity, the users are. Meetup is the people's tool.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 03, 2017, 08:49:08 PM
Maybe to avoid hassles, authorities, pervs and prudes should not be given a schedule and time and place where a group of people hike nude.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 03, 2017, 09:46:01 PM
I use Meetup for my circle that I facilitate and it has been a mainstay for a couple of drum circles. Like minded and searching people get hooked up. It brings in newcomers, then we do a list to announce a special event, too. It is popular and a great way to get things going.

I used Meetup for maybe 15 years.  Over time it became more and more expensive.  Higher fees charged for sponsors.


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Whether it is used for radical right-wing political organizing or nude events, doesn't matter to me. The internet is now a forum, a place to be secure in your own papers and correspondence, a place to express belief, concerns, a soap box, a place to organize, to create revolution, or any change.
Jbee


About 6 months ago Meetup MANAGEMENT began using the Meetup system and subscriber list to organize far left political agenda groups.   Since I'm not a fan of far leftist politics I cancelled my long time membership.

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We shouldn't mess with Meetup. It is not a political entity, the users are. Meetup is the people's tool.


I agree with you JB about open Internet, however, Meetup chose to become a political organization of far left political action. 

Meetup is no longer an effective way to organize events and distribute information except to the political far left.

Bob








Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: John P on June 04, 2017, 05:54:09 AM
One week of naked hiking! Sounds wonderful.

That is a realistic dream: I'm doing two separate weeks of nude hiking this summer. The first one is our New England group's annual trip in July, which is actually going to be in New York. Yes, we're taking a rest from Vermont, and going to the Catskills instead, with the idea of touring waterfalls. Then at the end of July three of us are heading for Austria for the Naked European Walking Tour. As the the Siskiyou guy says, he went on NEWT last year, but he didn't sign up in time this year so he's trying to duplicate it in Oregon, and good luck to him. It would be a great thing if there were several active naturist events in different parts of the country.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 05, 2017, 09:47:19 PM
One week of naked hiking! Sounds wonderful.

That is a realistic dream: I'm doing two separate weeks of nude hiking this summer. The first one is our New England group's annual trip in July, which is actually going to be in New York. Yes, we're taking a rest from Vermont, and going to the Catskills instead, with the idea of touring waterfalls. Then at the end of July three of us are heading for Austria for the Naked European Walking Tour. As the the Siskiyou guy says, he went on NEWT last year, but he didn't sign up in time this year so he's trying to duplicate it in Oregon, and good luck to him. It would be a great thing if there were several active naturist events in different parts of the country.
I'm ready for that! I'm getting more and more intrigued by Oregon. So, what kind of pace do these organized hikes take? How much chatter is there on the trail?
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 05, 2017, 11:45:42 PM
Yeah, I was wondering about how much actual naked time there is.
Are they maked only on the trail, camping or wandering into a village?

It mentioned dining and resorts. Is a majority of the time naked?

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 06, 2017, 03:01:24 AM
I use Meetup for my circle that I facilitate and it has been a mainstay for a couple of drum circles. Like minded and searching people get hooked up. It brings in newcomers, then we do a list to announce a special event, too. It is popular and a great way to get things going.

I used Meetup for maybe 15 years.  Over time it became more and more expensive.  Higher fees charged for sponsors.


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Whether it is used for radical right-wing political organizing or nude events, doesn't matter to me. The internet is now a forum, a place to be secure in your own papers and correspondence, a place to express belief, concerns, a soap box, a place to organize, to create revolution, or any change.
Jbee


About 6 months ago Meetup MANAGEMENT began using the Meetup system and subscriber list to organize far left political agenda groups.   Since I'm not a fan of far leftist politics I cancelled my long time membership.

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We shouldn't mess with Meetup. It is not a political entity, the users are. Meetup is the people's tool.


I agree with you JB about open Internet, however, Meetup chose to become a political organization of far left political action. 

Meetup is no longer an effective way to organize events and distribute information except to the political far left.

Bob
There seems to be no political bias around here, and it is very effective for my non-political events. I wonder if there are regional differences from here to there?
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 06, 2017, 03:20:17 AM
Yeah, I was wondering about how much actual naked time there is.
Are they maked only on the trail, camping or wandering into a village?

It mentioned dining and resorts. Is a majority of the time naked?

Duane
Quoting Jbee: "So, what kind of pace do these organized hikes take? How much chatter is there on the trail?"
I think that there needs to be some delineation her between Newt hikes in the Alps and Local Hiking in the broader USA.

I was asking about general the nature of these. People hike at different paces and imbibe in different styles, like goal oriented, exercise oriented, nature observations, photographic stopping, or casual. Groups tend to have chatter and scare away wildlife, or point out and share observations and experiences. I was wondering how this has been in Europe. I read about "marches." The Oregon hikes haven't occurred yet.

Eyesup, this Oregon thing is using a nude resort as a base camp and then local hikes. By the terrain and Federal Lands, it appears that there is plenty of naked hiking in wilder areas, much like what you and we did in Arizona, only less populated, just a wetter ecosystem. With Oregon State laws, trips to an from the trail-heads shouldn't be a problem nude.

In Europe, they vary behavior and coverups. There is a base house rented and they hike from there, but we need some elaboration from those who have been there like John, Dan, Stuart and Carla.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 06, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
There seems to be no political bias around here, and it is very effective for my non-political events. I wonder if there are regional differences from here to there?
Jbee


Meetup management used their facilities and mailing lists to organize leftist "RESIST!" political agenda activism in virtually every city in America.   Its sedition, and I want no part of it.

Meetup is no longer an acceptable social medium for non-political or non-leftist organizations.

Bob
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 06, 2017, 10:00:38 PM
I asked several Meetup hosts and they, like myself, have not received any "resist" correspondence, or miss use. None, Of my 200 or so members have complained, or mentioned such a thing. Of course, very few of these people, like myself, would not be anything but supportive of any calls to resistance. Most are ashamed, disgusted, fearful of the future and angry about American government. They are quite upset about, foreign policy, fascist cointelrpro tactics, oligarchy and corporate influence. The concern is rampant among millions of us, like I have never seen before. They probably would be supportive and certainly not take it as sedition. It is like when people speed, or cheat on their taxes, or get naked anyway. They have had enough. It depends on which circles you hang in, of course. These are middle of the road, to leftist, nice people and some with libertarian leanings. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see calls for resistance like you describe, and that is free speech to me.

It is just that I have not seen, nor heard anything about this. Perhaps it is some fake news? Many in the government would like to see any organizing tool like Meetup go away. Probably because so many people are feeling as they do. These in power don't like people out of control, organizing, dwarfing their own political exhibitions of support, being in the way and resisting them. Places like Meetup and others on the internet are good for that and government has had a long history of repression, defamation and infiltration.

There are some more private political entities that are undermining democratic processes, especially media. Maybe it is a version of swiftboating, a dishonest manipulation of fact to undermine things one is opposed to?

Some would say that we are corrupting, immoral, spreading horrible illegal things and attacking children in the most vile ways, by advocating naturism. By their standards, that would be illegal sedition. They would want to shut down the internet sites and meetup groups. So, what do we do? We resist. We become supportive of each other. They would call us perverted, seek to imprison us, and do smear campaigns to discredit us...uh. oh! That IS what they are doing! If we were more important and costing them money, they would be more aggressive.

So, our body rights are under attack when our free speech is cut back. They go hand in hand. As long as Meetup gives the same treatment to left and right...everybody... we all need to be supportive of what it produces, whether we like it or not. This is a naturist's issue. I personally can't see myself boycotting them.

I can understand your feelings Bob. Coming from my point of view, my stomach recoils and I go into shocking feelings within a few minutes when I get subjected to Fox News, which I see as alarming purposefully blatant manipulations, fascist, divisive and racist. I turn it off, I boycott being subjected to it in public venues, but I figure that it is part of the set of rights that will ultimately protect us all, so I swallow a bitter pill.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 07, 2017, 12:49:05 AM
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"What is the #Resist network of Meetups?
"Meetup is committed to bringing members together to form community and take action. Since the recent United States election, weve seen a dramatic increase in Meetup members pursuing and creating opportunities for civic engagement on our platform.

"We decided that we wanted to do more to support these efforts so we created a network of 1,000 #Resist Meetup groups with a few special characteristics.

"#Resist is a free extension of the Meetup platform that allows members to get involved in local civic action. Every member of a #Resist Meetup group can schedule and host Meetup events and has access to event templates and a new group communication tool that make connecting and Meeting up with other members easier than ever before."

https://www.meetup.com/help/article/2736376/

"sedition  səˈdiSH(ə)n/  noun
noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions
    conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch."

Not in my lifetime has there been this kind of organized and well funded rebellion against the US government by those who lost an election.  The whole basis of democracy is to accept the will of the majority and nominate a better candidate in the next election.   

If you, JB, and your friends voted for the losing candidate then that's not a reason to go to war against the government.  Many other Americans voted for the winning candidates and are still celebrating that campaign promises are being kept.   Political agendas are not relevant to naturism, and not relevant to attendance at a nude walk week in Oregon.

Meetup is now, by its own choice, a leftist seditious political organization.  Meetup is NOT an acceptable neutral web site to be promoting non-political meetings and events. 

Bob









Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 07, 2017, 05:24:53 AM
The Meetup people opened up a free setup for those that which desire political action. It is popular and it is civic minded to encourage and promote civic, political interaction. They are not discriminating about the political action; it can be right, or left, middle, or any concern. That's American Democracy, not sedition. It is a traditional practice guaranteed by the Constitution. The right to assembly, and free speech and petition, and protest, to get together to bitch and moan, to find group action and organization, to strike, to promote sound, lawful honest government, or to begin pressure toward revolution and change. This is what we do and they are supporting that.

Perhaps you have a misconception. The fervor isnt that there is a lost election, or a change in policy, but how it has been attained. These people, which are taking action are upset that the elections have been rigged, by media, by political parties in bed with oligarchy and corporate power, so much so that the actual will of the people has been usurped. Whether you agree with that, that is the way all of these people are seeing it. The government is seen as no longer legitimate and getting progressively more fake, just like the South American Republics have been for years. People feel screwed and see the process corrupted. Theyre standing up for their country, because they see that it is being destroyed, bought and sold by a few. They see each other as patriots.

It isnt just about this administration, or the recent election.The whole thing is considered patriotic, and love for American principles. They see that a dangerous lie sits in power. They know that this has been occurring for decades and has escalated. They are just getting the pitchforks out. How would you react if you thought that your country was no longer yours, and it was being robbed? Would you accept that? The camel just admitted to itself that it is time for the chiropractor.

Thanks for the heads up and the info. Im still seeing Meetup as a meaningful catalyst to democratic process.

The current trends favor a reaction that you often dont agree with. Im sure that Meetup is aware of the practical effects of their gift, which makes this gift lean left, or middle of the road from my way of thinking. But, next election, when the pendulum swings back, if it is allowed to, it will benefit the rightwing, even more. Nobody is supposed to just sit back and take it. I don't have a problem with women's rights, equality, justice, or democracy and I know that none of these were attained by sitting back, but by getting uppity. I don't have a problem with Meetup doing a spinoff to respond to a need. There new gift will also set the political aside from the regular Meetup and not color or clutter it.

I tend to focus on what good there is and commonality, no matter what the others political perspective. I wouldn't boycott you.

When we live in a fascist system, which controls the flow of information and communication, anything is fair game. Hitler got around to suppressing FKK eventually and at that point, nothing could be done about it. Thats what Im saying.

So, I hope that my lack of ownership of a political stance and merely discussing the resistance as "them" mitigates and depoliticizes me.
jbee

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 07, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
The Meetup people opened up a free setup for those that which desire political action. It is popular and it is civic minded to encourage and promote civic, political interaction. They are not discriminating about the political action; it can be right, or left, middle, or any concern.
jbee


Yes, JB, I'm not going to discuss your political opinions. Meetup management created and organized 1000 local leftist "RESIST" activist groups all across America to whine and promote sedition after their candidate lost the election.  "RESIST" groups have caused riots, beatings, and socialist violence in many American cities.

Meetup corporation used their facilities and mailing lists for destructive partisan political agendas.  Meetup is NOT a suitable web site for non-political nudist activities. 

The organizers of the Oregon Nude hikes needs to find a different web site such as Facebook or MeWe or create a private web site for their nude hiking information.   Rebus, are you still on this forum or did you just drop that advertising message and run?

I don't live very far from Oregon.  Its about 1/2 day drive to the venue.  I was curious about the details of the nude hiking group, but the web site is limited.


Bob
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 15, 2017, 04:26:08 PM
Going to be out naked on the beach near Newport, Oregon, USA, next week.  I'll try to get some photos. 
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Rebus on June 19, 2017, 07:19:34 AM
Sorry, I've been a bit out of touch lately.

The planned day hikes to various destinations in the Squaw Mt. area are still being finalized which should be in place the end of June.  I understand there is still one lodge room available for someone who needs it, such as a long distance traveler.

Yes, the details and enrollment are being handled via a Meetup group, which is free but moderated and not public.  One must simply create an account and join the group.  The event organizer is Steve Bosbach of the Siskiyou Hiking Bares.

I have been a part of Meetup groups for a couple of years and have seen no political anything and no spamming as a result, so I don't know where those concerns are coming from.  Perhaps one just needs to be selective about what particular groups to join as there are many.

From Steve: "There will be a couple of shorter hikes, but most will be in the 4 to 7 mile range. River hikes can be gentle with little elevation gain, but hiking to a ridge or lookout can be taxing if one isn't accustomed to this terrain. You will be well advised to get in some conditioning hikes prior to the HONAT, both to make the hiking easier on you, and to check out foot gear and equipment."  One of the destinations is Bagby Hot Springs.  Note that these hikes take up much of the day and you will probably want to pack your lunch, water and other essentials.

It's shaping up to be a memorable event.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 21, 2017, 06:02:20 PM
Here I am in Oregon at the beach.  Its really to cold and windy to be naked on the beach.  Everyone has long shirts and jackets. 

A complication is that my wife has become more and more opposed to me going naked.  She's all about "what will people think."   More later.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Safebare on June 21, 2017, 06:22:40 PM
I am sorry that your wife is taking a stronger stand against your inclination to exercise your personal right to clothesfree endeavors.  The body shaming seems to impact the female gender more personally than us males.  And the bond between spouses often complicates individual expression.  She probably believes that your exposure will reflect on her as well.  Good luck in your search for middle ground.

~Safebare
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 22, 2017, 12:18:11 AM
Middle ground?! I'm waiting for more later.

Sorry about the weather. We have to deal with unusual heat, the opposite. The Rainbow Gathering is beginning up there. I didn't want to miss this one. It will be classic. No State or Federal nude laws and lots of west coast weirdness.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 22, 2017, 01:27:02 AM
Quote from: Safebare
Good luck in your search for middle ground.
As I get older, hrrumphhh!, I worry less and less about opinions.
My loved ones I care about. Others, not so much.

The only true impediment to me is the legal aspect.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Safebare on June 22, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
I guess my term 'middle ground' could be summed up in one word; tolerance. 
Early in our relationship and marriage, my wife was nude as much as me.  We would garden nude, skinny dip and would participate in clothing optional public events.  Almost always nude around the house.   That all changed as our daughter matured.  She felt vulnerable to public opinion and the threat of police interference once the daughter was grade school age.  It seemed that as time went by, she became less tolerant of the naturist lifestyle, and more critical of my practice of it.  I tried to respect her wishes.  She died 10 years ago, when our daughter was 11.

~Safebare
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 24, 2017, 05:01:23 AM
Your daughter is a well adjusted, tolerant, no body issues type of person? Or, was harm done?
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 24, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
I am sorry that your wife is taking a stronger stand against your inclination to exercise your personal right to clothesfree endeavors.  The body shaming seems to impact the female gender more personally than us males.  And the bond between spouses often complicates individual expression.  She probably believes that your exposure will reflect on her as well.  Good luck in your search for middle ground.

~Safebare

That has a lot to do with it.  "What will people say" Is a big deal for most women.   Much more so than for men.

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: nuduke on June 24, 2017, 11:29:03 PM

I feel both comforted and saddened.
Always assumed your wife, Bob, was extremely tolerant of your choice to be naked.
The 'what will people think' nonsense is one of the many thongs in the emotional lash of my wife's anti-naturism too and Safebare's description of his wife's progressive hardening of heart towards something that was in early years a matter of toleration or participation also rings a familiar note in my situation.


Like Jbee, I'm therefore anticipating with interest you sharing the 'more later' that you mentioned, Bob


John
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 26, 2017, 03:41:52 AM
Yes, we'll be glad to share a conspiratory strategies to get her into line...or condolence, and encouragement. ;D
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Safebare on June 26, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
Your daughter is a well adjusted, tolerant, no body issues type of person? Or, was harm done?
Jbee
Thanks Jbee.  Hard to tell at this point.  Loosing a parent at a young age always has an impact.
My daughter is strong-willed, tolerant and versatile.  She is very confident in herself physically.  At 16, she competed in the Miss Teen Texas Pageant; yes, I was a 'Pageant Mom'.  She is a 'gear head' who has taken my position as the family mechanic.  She gets modelling assignments, but enjoys being behind the camera more.  She is studying business at Texas A&M while juggling her otherwise busy life.  She never expressed an understanding of my 'nudist life', but I feel she fits into the mode of other young adults regarding nudity; 'what's the big deal?'.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 26, 2017, 09:48:44 PM
Sounds like she has her head together and her feet on the ground.

Quote from: Safebare
She never expressed an understanding of my 'nudist life', but I feel she fits into the mode of other young adults regarding nudity; 'what's the big deal?'.
Did you explain your lifestyle choices?

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Safebare on June 27, 2017, 02:18:48 AM
"Did you explain your lifestyle choices?"
The question comes across oddly.  I do not consider my penchant for naked living to be a 'lifestyle choice', any differently than other aspects of my life.  Such as the enjoyment I get from sailing, walking in nature, being a safety professional, spirituality, heterosexual, healthy living, recycling/composting, moral behavior, etc.  I don't really explain these aspects either.  They certainly are talked about, but I don't feel the need to explain them.  Kids learn more from what they see than what we say.  I deliberately demonstrate my lifestyle choices, never hiding, but often choosing mutual respect, rather than the 'it's my house' philosophy.  My daughter has seen me nude around the house plenty and photos are not hidden from view. But, I will cover when I know she will be around.  My TNS publications are on the coffee table until I finish reading them.  I am certain she has picked them up on occasion and probably talked about them with her friends.  I am certain that factors into her adamant support of the LBGT community and being very vocal about her participation in the Pride events this past weekend.  It certainly is not because she identifies as LBGT.  Maybe someday she will join me on a WNBR event or even a nude hike, but she's not there yet.

Wow, talk about topic drift.  I hope I haven't ventured too deep here.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordinance
Post by: Rebus on June 27, 2017, 03:15:09 AM
Back to the group hike, for any that are interested:

The hikes range from 3 to 6 miles RT with only two that have serious elevation gain.
Squaw Mt Ranch has been very accommodating and the location should suit our needs well. They will provide a buffet style breakfast with enough fixings to make our own lunch for the day. They will cook the evening meal for us each day.
The lodge accommodations are spartan but comfortable. The kitchen has a fridge.

Anyone wanting to participate should register ASAP.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 27, 2017, 06:22:57 AM
Yeah, it was an odd question. Sorry, I wasnt trying to pry.
But you answered the main part which was if she was aware of your naked preferences and was ok about that.

Topic drift is a regular occurrence around here.
Occasionally, intelligent conversation happens as a result.

Duane
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 27, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
DAng, that week sounds wonderful. I hope for your success and that next year will be my opportunity to explore Oregon's back country. The information that you have provided is a treasure, even if you don't decide to do the tour again. Missing Rainbow in a state with no heavy nudity laws to drain into the forest, etc. is ouch enough. Ebb and Flow.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 29, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
I have returned from my trip to Oregon.  My travel was chaperoned by my wife, her daughter, and granddaughter.   Not hardly any nude opportunity at all. 

The Oregon beach was so cold and windy that it wasn't good nude time anyway.  Everyone on the beach had long sleeves and COATS, even at Midsummer.   Then we went to Eugene in Lane County which have their own local anti-naked ordinances.  Maybe next time.

Bob
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 30, 2017, 03:51:17 AM
Are those beaches often too cold to not bundle up? Is there a warm season? Was this unusual?

The mountains, like where this nude hiking week will be. I figured it to be pleasant and dry most of the summer. What are Oregon mountains actually like?

I'm fishing for the information to plan a trip up there, mostly camping in natural areas...naked.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on June 30, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Are those beaches often too cold to not bundle up? Is there a warm season? Was this unusual?

The hotel guy said that its usually good on the beach in late July and August.


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The mountains, like where this nude hiking week will be. I figured it to be pleasant and dry most of the summer. What are Oregon mountains actually like?

I'm fishing for the information to plan a trip up there, mostly camping in natural areas...naked.
Jbee

Inland Oregon was beautiful while we were there.  Only the beach had cold ocean wind blowing the whole time.

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on June 30, 2017, 10:19:56 PM
I have been swimming in the Pacific on Catalina Island where the water temp was about 60. Its about 1000 miles south of Portland. I am guessing that the water up there is a bit colder. You would expect the wind to be cold coming off water that temperature.

When I was younger, I always wondered why people wore wet suits on the California coast until I went swimming there. We were snorkeling and it took about 15 minutes before I could breathe normally. Once acclimated, I was fine.

Duane.
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on June 30, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
The last couple of times out to CA's coast...Blacks Beach, El Nino had the water temps up pretty good.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on July 01, 2017, 01:46:19 AM
I have been swimming in the Pacific on Catalina Island where the water temp was about 60. Its about 1000 miles south of Portland. I am guessing that the water up there is a bit colder. You would expect the wind to be cold coming off water that temperature.
Duane.

The Pacific coast water temp is all about the current.   A cold current flows south from Alaska along the coast.   A warm current flows north from Mexico.  They meet somewhere in the middle of California and go west across the ocean toward Asia. 

Southern California, Black's Beach and so forth, has the southern current.   Washington, Oregon, and Northern California has the northern current.   The north coast beach stays pretty cool all summer, but not freezing in winter.

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: jbeegoode on July 01, 2017, 03:56:17 AM
I didn't find any evidence of that, when I looked at the maps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Current#/media/File:Corrientes-oceanicas.png

and when I looked up California currents on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Current

There is some uplift, since it is 3-D, but nothing like you describe. I used to get a bit too north confusing the other other currents in the equatorial areas. Perhaps you just did this. Water just gets warmer south. The air significantly so. When I used to frequent the Bay area nude beaches, I didn't get in and suffer in the water much. It has to be El Nino to get me to spend much time in wave floating at Black's Beach.
Jbee
Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: Bob Knows on July 01, 2017, 03:47:24 PM
This is from your second link. 

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The movement of Alaskan and northern water currents southward down the west coast results in much cooler ocean temperatures that at comparable latitudes on the east coast of the United States, where waters currents come from the Caribbean and tropical Atlantic. The cooler ocean current along the on the west coast also makes summer temperatures cooler on the west coast compared to the east coast. For example, Half Moon Bay at 37 degrees latitude has no month with an average high above 67 F (19 C) and San Francisco often stays below 70 F (21 C) in summer, while Virginia Beach, VA close to the same latitude has six months when high temperatures are above 70 F (21 C).

That's pretty much what I said.

Title: Re: Visiting Oregon, and the only County with an anti-nude ordiance
Post by: eyesup on July 03, 2017, 02:41:15 AM
Quote from: Bob
A cold current flows south from Alaska along the coast.   A warm current flows north from Mexico.  They meet somewhere in the middle of California and go west across the ocean toward Asia.
Then I must have been swimming in a cocktail.  ;D

Duane