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Introductions / Re: Another invasion from the Secret Naturist Society
« on: October 02, 2017, 09:55:09 AM »
I read this lying naked on a sun lounger on the top deck of a boat off the Croatian island of Kocuba. Breakfast now digested, I think I feel a swim coming on...

I will endeavour to produce a report of the British Naturism cruise when I get home. In the meantime I intend to...

Have fun,


Ian.

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Introductions / Re: Another invasion from the Secret Naturist Society
« on: September 14, 2017, 08:27:32 AM »
I'm going through old papers and thinning things out. I came across a printout of a post that was The Secret Naturist Society from March 23rd, 2001! I think that it was the old Corbie site. I was still on WebTV, the early internet. 16 1/2 years and going strong.
Jbee
I suspect that if the post was worth keeping for that length of time, it is worth sharing...

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: September 11, 2017, 06:18:49 AM »

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Snotty oik and miserable with it
A piece of extremely idiomatic British English there, American friends! :)
John
I could not resist spreading a little real English to those across the pond.

Have fun,


Ian.

Ok, that’s great about the idioms and everything, but what exactly is an ‘oik’?

Duane

Have a look here. Their definition is about right and there were a couple of fun links on the page (and, as you know, it is important to...)

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: September 08, 2017, 11:22:19 PM »

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Snotty oik and miserable with it
A piece of extremely idiomatic British English there, American friends! :)
John
I could not resist spreading a little real English to those across the pond.

Have fun,


Ian.

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It's a veritable palace of relaxation!


John
That was the idea!

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Beach etiquette (UK)
« on: August 28, 2017, 08:05:04 AM »
John,

I can't say that I have struggled finding beaches in meatspace, though sometimes the instructions have been unmappable and made little sense before I arrived. Generally though, Google will turn up the information you need pretty fast. This was the second or third option when I searched "Church Norton Beach" and includes several different map options.

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: August 28, 2017, 07:48:04 AM »

How old is Beauty?  The grey hair on her nose suggests a mature age.


John
Honest answer? We don't really know. The rescue centre said they thought she was between 6 and 7, so we are guessing at seven and a half now.

Trouble is, we don't know how much the rescue centre knew. They contradicted themselves a few times in that some of the things they told us  they could not possibly know unless they had been told and then they said that she had been dropped in by someone who knew nothing about her history.

Have fun,


Ian.

PS I met a different game keeper in the same woods yesterday. Snotty oik and miserable with it. He moaned about where I was and then claimed I had been told repeatedly not to walk naked (completely untrue). I bit my tongue and finished my walk as planned. I will mention that to the head game keeper next time I see him.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Beach etiquette (UK)
« on: August 22, 2017, 07:27:29 PM »
legally there are no nude beaches in uk. they are all clothes optional... nudity is not illegal provided theres no intention to cause distress.

Sorry, Ric is not right on the legal front! People keep repeating this non-fact about British law, and I don't know where it comes from.
Quote from: British Naturism (in their legal guidance document)"
Important considerations regarding Naturism and the law
There is no general prohibition of nudity and Naturism is not a criminal offence, per se. Nudity is legal in a much wider set of circumstances than is sometimes assumed and “a balance needs to be struck between the Naturist's right to freedom of expression and the right of the wider public to be protected from harassment, alarm and distress”

I would side with Ric on this; it is not illegal to be naked in public in England and Wales. Which is not to say that there are no vague half baked laws that can be brought into play.

However, I believe I am right when I say that there have been no successful prosecutions for simple nudity in England and Wales under Section 5 or 6 of the Public Order Act since BN began to challenge them. The CPS guidelines were issued after BN  and NAG (Naturist Action Group) spent a lot of time in consultation with the CPS and the CPS saw several cases thrown out either in trial or later at appeal.

Having said that, the law is always a game of chance to some degree, so "you pays your money and takes your chance" applies and even an innocent person charged with an offence can run up significant legal bills which will not be covered when the CPS decides not to prosecute.

Have fun,


Ian.

PS: The BN legal guides for England and Wales  and for Scotland (different legal system) can be found here.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: August 20, 2017, 08:04:35 PM »
I was asked for pictures of Beauty so after a rummage through my files I have found a few that give an idea of how she looks. These were taken on a recent holiday in the Derbyshire Peak District.


Beauty with Carole and Hazel on a recent walk near the start of the Pennine Way (far too busy to consider a naked walk.)


Waiting patiently outside a pub and hoping that Carole was ordering a sausage sandwich…


Hazel was also waiting hopefully (note the eyelashes she loves to flutter at people when she’s pretending she’s cute).


Beauty waiting outside another pub (yes, that was a bit of a theme on this holiday)

Just about every other picture I have of her she is asleep. This is definitely a dog that knows how to relax.

Have fun,


Ian.

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Hi JB,

Sorry, I read your post and meant to answer your queries but then got distracted. Oh well, I remembered eventually, so here goes:.

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are those slats stuck in place, or removable for cleaning. We, of course, have sand, etc. and have to hose and sweep. I'm looking for the best way to attache seats, with the greatest diversity of use. Wide seat for yoga, lounging. Wide and tall enough configuration for massage.

The horizontal slats are fixed to one another as seat panels and are screwed to the structure. They sit on rails on the walls and have supporting leg frames s the screws to the walls are more about me making the whole structure as stiff and secure as I can. It would have been perfectly OK to leave the benches loos for easy removal and I am sure a clip arrangement could be devised fairly simply to allow the legs to be removed easily.

The vertical (“infill” panels are assembled as a panel and held in place with two screws each into the bench support legs. I am going to find a simple clip system to allow for their easy removal to allow me to mop under the benches without having to find a screw driver. The problem here is not sand or dust but sweat on a vinyl floor designed to keep the moisture away from the wooden sub-floor. A difference in what needs to be cleaned up but the same issue of facilitating easy regular cleaning.

The seat configuration I have allows for three people to lie down at one time, one at high level and two lower down. It would accommodate six or seven seated people without being uncomfortably tight or requiring anyone to sit on the heater  :o.

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What's the square footage, and what kind of a heater is that? I see the electric cord. Are those some kind of rocks? Glass doors! Does the heat escape and make distribution vary from the glass? Are you using brushes or twigs?

The cabin is nominally 2170mm wide x 1660mm deep and 1950mm high (85.4” x 65.4” x 76.8”) those are external dimensions, as the wall panels are 40mm thick the internal space is 80mm less in each direction. So the internal area is approximately 36 square feet and the volume approximately 220 cubic feet.

The heater is 6Kw electric heater with three elements. Typically it uses one element to sustain the temperature with a top up from the other two elements when required. The rocks act as a heat storage mechanism and allow perfumed water splashed onto the heater to boil off quickly, releasing the chosen aroma into the atmosphere. I have four fragrances at present, eucalyptus, rosemary & thyme, orange and lavender and am still experimenting with the best way to use them to “flavour” the air. Mixing them with water to splash on the rocks is effective for a short time, adding them to the water in the steam generator when we use it should be effective and more sustained, but seems to cause too much frothing in the steamer and being splashed with boiling water tends to destroy the moment. I am planning on trying a soapstone jar that can be placed in the stones on the heater and filled with an aroma solution that boils away over time. I just need to find the right sized jar, as the one I have found is too large to sit between the heater elements.

The duty cycle on the heater is such that I would guess that the system runs at around 2Kw averaged over an hour, so a three hour run (an hour to heat up and 2 hours use) costs me about 35p (roughly 45 cents). I don’t worry much about the running costs :D. In winter, when it is colder outside resulting in more heat loss, I would expect it to run closer to 4KWH per hour, roughly double the cost I have seen at present and more consistent with the manufacturers estimate.

The glass door is pretty standard in most Finnish saunas. The reason is that people outside can see if anyone inside faints and needs assistance (the same considerations mean that sauna doors should always open outwards). I can’t say I have noticed any drop in temperature around the door.

I have to confess that I have not experimented with twigs / brushes or any other form of self-flagellation and do not find the idea very appealing. Perhaps I should try it before I write the concept off.

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I like an outdoor shower of about ground temperature to rinse and cool in. It seals the pores and exercises the skin's natural functions.

I have considered an outside shower, possibly solar heated. However, it is about 10 feet to the back door of the house and just inside is the downstairs bathroom and shower, so there is no real need to do anything else. An outside shower would also require a drain to be sensible in our moist climate and it adds up to rather a lot of work for little return. We also have to consider the risk of freeze up during the winter; frost can do nasty things to plumbing if it is allowed to. On balance, using the shower in the house seems the best option for us.

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If you massage the shoulders, a loving touch with therapy, she will relax in comfort and follow you, eventually, to the outside for more. As long as she feels comfortable out there.

John asked what else we were doing with the shed. The mid section, inside the glazed area, is laid out with a couple of soft upholstered reclining garden chairs and foot stools. There is a low table between the chairs with drinking water and glasses (both for drinking from and mine for seeing through). The end remote from the sauna has an overflow deepfreeze and a fridge. (The fridge is slightly unusual as it is fitted with a heater and a microprocessor based temperature control which allows me to regulate the temperature to +/-0.5C anywhere between about 1C and 35C. I use it to control the temperature at which my beer brews  8)).

The plan was to allow us to chill out inside the summerhouse when we get too hot without going out into the garden, which could be rather unpleasant in winter drizzle, fog and wind. The reclining chairs go flat and, when used with the foot stools, make effective, if low, massage beds. Given that the cushions were designed for garden use, they are easy to wash and largely unharmed by getting wet. So, massage has already been discovered as a bonding tool, but usually happens just outside the sauna. The downside is that, because the summerhouse is so comfortable, there is less incentive to go into the garden. If it is warm and dry next time we sauna, I may just move the chairs and stools out onto the patio before we start. I guess I will have to play that by ear, it may be better to get Carole totally comfortable inside the summerhouse before pushing too hard to get her outside.

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I love your observation of just talking. We sing, too.

Talking works. Had you heard either of us sing, you would understand why I tend to use recorded music instead of making my own. I do have some respect for the neighbour's sensibilities…

Have fun,


Ian.

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But there are little victories - I was sunbathing naked in the garden today and she came onto the patio and tut tutted.  She was worried because a friend said she may pop round but didn't give a time.  Obviously I would not want to be caught naked in full sight of a tolerance-untested stranger any more than she would want that.  However, she looked at my shorts next to me and said "Oh, you've got something to cover up" and so didn't ask me to stop being naked just in case the friend called (which she didn't!).  Small result.

I would chalk that up as a significant step. She has noted that you are conscious of not causing her any embarrassment. That trust is valuable and was one of the cornerstones of Carole's becoming more relaxed about my preferences.

Once that trust is firmly established, it will be far easier to be naked when she is around without getting a pushback.

Great stuff. Keep having fun,


Ian.

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John,

Consider yourself invited; I chose to use a "Stauna" controller, so we have a steam generator as well as the dry heater and can set the cabin to run at 80%RH and 40C, 100C with no added steam or a couple of other settings in between. I always like to keep my options open :D

Have fun,


Ian.


How tempting!


John
You know (roughly) where I am. If you are going to be in the area with time on your hands, give me a call or drop me an email.

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: August 17, 2017, 09:46:49 AM »
Duane,

Those two look like a great pair of characters. Our first dog was a German Shepherd/ Labrador cross and was a great companion with many of the GSD behaviours but moderated by the easy going and playful  Labrador approach to life.

We will certainly consider another  rescue in future.

Have fun,


Ian.

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John,

Consider yourself invited; I chose to use a "Stauna" controller, so we have a steam generator as well as the dry heater and can set the cabin to run at 80%RH and 40C, 100C with no added steam or a couple of other settings in between. I always like to keep my options open :D

Have fun,


Ian.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: A busy morning walk...
« on: August 16, 2017, 12:38:05 PM »
John,

We believe that Beauty is a cross between a Neapolitan Mastiff and an American Bulldog, apparently quite a popular cross although I have never heard of one before. If you don’t know what a Neapolitan Mastiff looks like, do a search for the World’s Ugliest Dog 2017 which was won by a Neo called Martha. (Very unfair in my (not unbiased) opinion; but I guess they could not have a Chinese Crested win yet again). She looks rather like a big Staffie, about the size of a large Labrador and has the solid muscular build that you’d expect from those parent breeds. I really must make the effort to take some decent pictures of her.

According to the Rescue Centre (and their story changed a bit depending on who we spoke to, so I cannot say this is correct with any degree of confidence) Beauty had been used as a breeding dog and has had 7 litters of pups. Certainly, when they took her in she was expecting although she was so thin that they did not realise that until she gave birth to 14 pups three days later. Two were stillborn and a further eight did not thrive and had to be put down. After giving birth, Beauty weighed 20Kg compared to her current healthy weight of 42Kg. She also developed mastitis and could not rear her pups, so they were passed on to another dog to nurse.

By the time we took her on, several months later, her weight was up to 36Kg and she looked reasonably healthy. However, she was still pretty protective of her food around other dogs and flinched if anyone raised a hand sharply. She has evidence of a broken rib and we suspect she has had a beating or two.

The first time I saw her she was miserable, no enthusiasm for anything, no interest in what was going on and little interest even in treats. We spent about five weeks visiting her at the rescue centre just getting to know her and introducing Hazel in the hopes that Beauty would not eat her. By the time we brought her home, she had got to the point of greeting us with a wagging tail and asking for treats. She also had a very strong fear of traffic, so that we could not walk her along main roads or even to the car from the rescue centre.

The first afternoon we had her, I was stood at the sink washing a few dishes when I heard an unfamiliar growl behind me. “Not good” I thought, but when I turned she was stood behind me wagging her tail. We have now found that she is very vocal with lots of different growls that mean different things and other noises that also have meaning. She and I often stand and growl, or howl at one another (Yeah OK, I’m mad) and Carole and I can now tell what she wants most of the time just from the noises she makes. There are distinct sounds for “please open the door”, “I’m hungry”, “why are you not rubbing my ears?” and so on. We’ve never had such a talkative dog.

The food protection habit has gone and she will happily share with Hazel once she has had what she wants (she also waits for Hazel to finish before diving into Hazel's bowl). The only issue we really have with her now is that she is rather boisterous when she plays. Dogs generally don’t mind although some small dogs clearly find her rather intimidating. Sadly, many owners are incapable of reading the body language and seeing that it is play and they get upset and aggressive. (One idiot once told me she was a vicious animal and if I let her near him again he would kick her. His face went a funny colour when I asked him what he thought would happen if he kicked a vicious dog that was nearly as heavy as he was and far fitter and stronger. If seems he had not considered the possible consequences of his proposed course of action.*) Unfortunately, this sort of silly reaction has lead to us usually keeping her on a lead when we walk her. Not that Beauty seems to mind.

She is still a little cautious around strangers but, since Carole has customers coming to the house regularly (she is a hairdresser, working from home) Beauty has become far more comfortable with people in general than she was. She also seems to have an exceptional memory for faces / smells. Once she has been introduced to a customer she does not bark at them again.

All in all, I reckon we have been very lucky with her. She has been pretty easy, has adopted Hazel well (they play fight for an hour or so every day, lots of noise and torn up lawn but no injuries to either of them) and has fitted in well with our life. We really could not have asked for more.

Have fun,


Ian.


* In fact, he would not have had an issue with Beauty, but there was a fair chance that he would soon have been wondering how to deal with a very p155ed off owner, particularly as it was his little dog (off the lead and uncontrolled) that was causing any trouble. Beauty was on a short leash and showed no aggression at all until the other dog ran up to her snarling and barking.

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