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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 23, 2019, 10:19:14 PM »
Okay, but golf? Something wrong with bowling?

Free Range Naturism / Re: Nudity in Temperature Extremes
« on: August 22, 2019, 10:55:00 PM »
Wonderful article. But you think about these things more than I do. I make little effort to overcome the weather and the climate. What can I do anyway? It just is and I manage.

Bodies can be a little odd. Being nude in cool temperatures is invigorating. In warm temperatures it's pleasant. There is a threshold at either end beyond which it isn't so nice without artificial aids or something. The lower the temperature, the more you have to work to keep warm. At the other end, you have to slow down to keep from being exhausted. You may not be cool but you can avoid being exhausted.

Cold weather won't arrive here for at least two months. Ah, but we're officially surrounded by 95 degrees and 42% humidity (not bad). I still get out for a two-mile walk in the woods every day, if I'm not doing something like mowing the lawn. It isn't too bad at 8:30 in the morning. Even so, the sweat is dripping off me by the time I start back. The trick, I have decided, to keep from becoming exhausted is to not go so fact that you have to breath through your mouth. That means you have to walk slower, of course. But by keeping your mouth shut (always good advice), I'm sure you lose less water, you mouth doesn't get dry and you also avoid insects flying into your mouth. But that's just my opinion based solely on my own experience (not experiments).

It's supposed to be no higher than about 80 degrees for the next few days. I'll probably want a sweater.

All of the above, by the way, is based on actually wearing clothes. They're soaked when I get home. I can't say what the results might be were I naked, which I can't be here at home. Curiously, my feet and socks stay dry, even with wading a creek, but provided I don't fall in.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 20, 2019, 02:16:17 PM »
There was an article in the Washington Post this morning about letting your kids play in the dirt and creeks. The idea was that children need exposure to things like that to build up their immune systems. It still said you need to wash them when they get dirty or smelly. It likewise pointed out that in times past, kids who grew up in unsanitary conditions had higher rates of infectious diseases and did not physically develop as well as children did otherwise. What is not recognized today, I think, is the slum conditions that some people lived in, mostly in large cities but in shantytowns everywhere. Of course, that didn't bother most people who were living under those conditions and generally believed that it was their own fault for living in such places, an attitude still common. The general opinion was that those who grew up on farms and in rural areas were healthier than some of those living in cities, although to suggest that no one live in the city is not helpful.

This all goes back to the origins of nudism and naturism, which was based on the generally correct belief that city life was not particularly healthy. That was especially true in the more industrial cities, which probably included most of them, when there was zero pollution control. Those who could do something about it didn't care and the rest had to put up with it. That and the fact that draft animals were still commonly used and produced solid pollution in abundance. It was tolerated. Although we don't have streets littered with horse manure now, there are still problems with water in places. Again, those who can do something about it don't care and people have to live with it. The so-called progressive era of a hundred years ago is not even a memory. There used to be more of a civic pride and engagement that dealt with issues like that and got hospitals built. Local civic leadership is now too weak to make a difference (if they care). Big business runs things now. "Let them drink bottled water."

The article still said the healthiest are those who get their vaccinations.

Although I have no objections at all about clubs and resorts, both they and urban meet-up hiking outings have limitations, thought not the same ones. The missing element is "free," although I don't mean in the financial sense. Both with and without clothing, the one thing I miss from the past is the freedom to up and go whenever the spirit moved me, any time of the year. Hiking with someone else, even the wife, means more organization and compromises and usually leaving about four hours later than I would by myself.

Of course, I was younger then but I don't miss that as much.

Naturally there are other differences. In fact, everything is different. Although there are trails leading from my back door, I am otherwise further from really good places, meaning secluded and less visited. And that means it takes more time and money. Even though the cost (of driving) isn't very much, cost is always a consideration. Mostly though, it means that an outing is something that needs to be planned for, at least in theory. I guess I could drop everything and leave first thing in the morning but I haven't done that for a while. At the moment, though, the heat is a little too much.

On the other hand, freedom's just another word for nothing else to do.

I understand there are clubs just for men.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 19, 2019, 09:03:04 PM »
The ordinary and accepted behavior of one generation can flip two generations down the line, in a manner of speaking. There are lots of examples. Slavery is perhaps the best example and it doesn't seem like there is really yet a consensus, to be honest about it. It's also another example of selective application of what is acceptable. In other words, if slavery is acceptable, then logically, anyone could be a slave. But enough about slavery.

Smoking was considered acceptable when I was little. That is, you could smoke almost anywhere and tobacco products could be sold to anyone. That's not generally true today. Ironically, certain other products for smoking seem to becoming more acceptable.

We, or Westerners generally, have always had a highly developed sense of hypocrisy. We looked the other way; we pretended things didn't exist or happen; and the law was anything but evenly applied. I imagine the reason was that people really didn't care. People on the other side of town was at the bottom of the list when it came to city or government services. But we didn't care because everything was just fine in our part of town. We never had a homeless problem because our servants the police ran them out of town or even arrested them. Every now and then a do-gooder would manage to get a slum neighborhood torn down and replaced with nice high-rise apartments and feel proud of their accomplishment, totally ignoring the fact that in reality, a neighborhood where people lived had been demolished, forcing the residents to move away. On more personal levels, we pretended that the neighbor who kept late hours was still a good husband or that another neighbor really didn't drink too much or beat his wife because we minded our own business, even if it was sometimes discussed over the kitchen table or the backyard fence when the kids weren't around. And sometimes lives could be destroyed by unfounded rumors. All of these things still happen, unfortunately.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 19, 2019, 05:27:38 PM »
Oh, dear!

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 17, 2019, 12:31:08 PM »
When I go into a surplus store (which are becoming scarce around here), I always say it smells like my basement. Likewise, when I go into a garage or service station, there is also a distinctive odor, mostly of grease, I suppose.

Odors or aromas, are interesting. There can be certain smells that will trigger the memory, for better or worse. And it is interesting how the memory of them can linger for so long. There are a lot of strong odors or aromas that are not that unpleasant, although some may not care for them. There is leather, tobacco (but not tobacco smoke), freshly cut grass and freshly cut wood, wood smoke, fresh paint, ground coffee and all sorts of cooking and baking odors. But a walk through the woods can reveal unpleasant odors, like rotting vegetation and other dead things. But even the smell of a creek can trigger pleasant memories of camping trips, too.

The family owned a beach cottage for several decades, up until three or four years ago. It sat empty for most of the year (which is ultimately why it was sold) and when you first went inside, there was the strong aroma of juniper, which the front rooms were paneled with. But you stopped noticing it in ten minutes. Then you started noticing the salt air.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 17, 2019, 12:07:06 AM »
Probably it is the material that gives military things (cloth, canvas and the like) that peculiar odor, although that's probably not true of more recent items that aren't made of cotton materials. I think they're all impregnated with a water-resistant, mold-resistant treatment. It may even be the dye. New non-military cotton clothing sometimes has a certain odor, too, which comes from chemicals used in the manufacture of the cloth. But it comes out in the wash. Military gear on the civilian market probably hasn't been washed for quite a while, if at all.

Regarding water, JB, I thought you lived in the desert where any water is scarce, never mind good water.

However, Colin Fletcher, the man who wrote about hiking (include nude), also wrote a book, "The man from the cave," about his investigation and conclusion regarding evidence of someone having lived in a shallow cave not too far from Las Vegas sometime before WWI. In his inquiries, someone mentioned that it used to be wetter there several decades ago. The question arose because whoever had lived in the cave had made a bed of grass, something that was gone when Fletcher discovered the cave. So, it seems that local climate conditions can vary a lot, if temporarily. There wasn't any good water to be had around there when Fletcher was passing through, by the way.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 16, 2019, 02:14:29 PM »
What you're doing is primitive, not natural. But it's probably better than natural, assuming the well water really is pure mostly.

Use the word 'natural' with great care but it's still just a word.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Forest bathing
« on: August 15, 2019, 11:10:10 PM »
There are cities and there are big cities. It takes a long time to get out of the big city. Small cities and towns, though, can be nice. A fifteen minute drive can sometimes get you to well outside the city. But a great deal depends on where you are. Some places, the rural areas have lots of people living there. There is no place to go. That is, everything is private property and somewhere that people don't take kindly to trespassing. But sometimes there are places that no one seems to own, although such places are disappearing, at least everywhere I've lived. The reality is that someone always owned them but are now being less tolerant of unauthorized visitors. They are nearly always corporate interests. Mining companies, timber companies and people who lease federally owned land for one reason or another. The latter can be very particular about their leasing rights. Places where there has been mining can be rather dangerous and for that reason, access is now more difficult.

None of this makes much difference to me now, as my trips have become closer to home.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 15, 2019, 09:22:40 PM »
My comments tend to wander around and touch on too many subject. I'm not writing a term paper.

One point I try to make is that people will try to live as well as they possibly can. Convenience (the mod cons) are high on their wish lists. It hasn't been that long in some places, within living memory as we say, that some people lived little different than they did in pre-Civil War years. They burned wood for heat. Their water came out of the ground within a short walking distance from the house, either from a spring or a well. The well might be located in the house or just outside. Light was from an oil lamp. There was an outhouse. It wasn't so bad and people in the city had only been using more modern conveniences for a few decades longer. But no one hung onto the old ways when something better was available. It's ironic that I never knew anyone when I was little who actually had a working fireplace, although having a wood burning stove was not at all uncommon. But where I live, a real fireplace is a regular suburban fixture.

I also never knew anyone who owned a sleeping bag when I was little and they had been around for a few decades by the time I was born. When it was cold, we slept under cotton quilts that weighed a ton. Not only was that good enough for us, it was all we had. Wool blankets were for those who were better off than we were. I used sleeping bags (that is, a sleeping bag) in the army. I was stationed in cold places, hot places too. Never woke up feeling icky.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 15, 2019, 09:02:31 PM »
I also disagree. At least 99% of people have no problem with controlling their presumably repressed sexual urges. I gather there is an idea among some people that those who have little or no self-control should have an outlet for their sexual urges. Perhaps they should have an outlet for other repressed urges, too, urges which again most people somehow manage to keep under control. There are those, you may know, who have sexual desires for the very young. What about them? Fully paid trips to Thailand? Or would allowing such things to happen really harm no one? Is it an attempt too redefine 'indecent' out of existence?

Whatever that means.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Forest bathing
« on: August 15, 2019, 12:20:56 PM »
The place I usually go is a little damp in places. It is in a park, though, and I walk past the end of the paved path, following mostly overgrown trails for some distance (not really very far, though). A two-mile walk takes me through several environments, including ordinary sidewalks, and varies with the exact direction I take. Likewise, conditions vary according to recent weather. The spring here was very wet but the last six weeks have been dry. There are other nearby places for walking and kayaking, too.

Two of these places that I have visited in the last week or two are lakes with a good path, mostly paved, all the way around. The one I walked yesterday around Lake Accotink, which you may have heard of, was about five or six miles. About half of it is paved, the rest gravel. That was between five and six miles, a pretty good tramp on a hot and humid trail, although it's an easy walk. I like the place I go better. Fewer people and more interesting things, although none of these places are suitable for nudity. None of the good places I know for nude hiking are nearby, all at least a hundred miles or so.

On the trip yesterday, there were about thirty high school kids, both boys and girls doing cross-country on the trail, too. Kids around here are so much more fit than when I was in high school.

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