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General Naturism Discussion / An eloquent essay
« on: October 21, 2018, 11:29:33 PM »
A wonderful display of perseverance and hope.

We like to talk about body shaming and how bad it is mostly in regard to our preferred state of dress while hiking in suburbia or in the wilderness. This student states her case about body shaming clearly and places the responsibility right where it belongs. With the perps. She isnít talking about nudity or naturism. But the knee jerk reactions of a school board shows how much the general population has surrendered to the panicked screeching of bureaucrats curled into the fetal position. This isnít some activist bouncing up and down on the public square. Itís a girl in school in a controlled environment being held accountable for the actions of others.

Such determination from a young lady of 15. Is admirable. If you wonder how the repressive rules about nudity happen, this little 500+ word essay gives you a peek behind the curtains. Kids are indoctrinated by the school system, from kindergarten to university on all sorts of PC issues, not just nudity. After that, itís tougher to fix those perceptions.

Kinda creepy.


General Naturism Discussion / Weather
« on: September 29, 2018, 02:32:47 AM »

Looks like we are about to get some desert rain! Whoopee!
It appears Rosa is headed our way but I think the Sonoran is gonna get pounded.

We will probably get some of the northern rain bands up here.
We can sure use it.

Keep your pants rolled up. Oh, Wait! Never mind!


Trip reports / I Didnít Want to Leave
« on: September 11, 2018, 02:42:01 AM »
In August I was in Denver and was making the return trip alone. The quickest route home is I70 and I15, which Iíve done many times. So I decided to take a longer and more scenic route south through the San Luis Valley then west. At the northern end of the Valley is, Orient Land Trust. A couple others on the forum have been there, so I decided to stop to see the place and check it out. This would be my 1st visit to a CO facility.

Their website advised making an appointment so I booked my visit before I left Denver. I expected to be there just a couple of hours. I arrived after a 4 hr. drive, then went to sign in. The main office building looked like an old country store. Wooden steps up on a wooden porch to a screen door and a glass paned wood panel door.

After paying a day use fee, they gave me a token to open the gate. Along the drive I could see campsites scattered among the trees. They looked well shaded and didnít appear to be too close to each other.

I found a parking spot on a dusty lot near the main pool bath house. I rolled the window down and sat there reading the handouts from the office. One was a small site map for camping and hot springs. The other that was an explanation of their naturist policies. Clothing is completely optional no matter what. No pressure to be naked or dressed. Families including children are welcome. I was a single male and they made no comment. They even have a shed along the upper camp road called a ďsmoke hutĒ, for those that enjoy smoking certain leaf products. As long as itís legal, you can smoke it, but you have to do it in the hut (or your car).

All the buildings had the same basic rustic appearance. Not flashy at all. This place is intended for people that want to spend time as close to nature as possible and still have a few creature comforts. The restrooms and baths are all communal. Although the handouts said that there are a couple of cabins with private restrooms.

While I was reading, a car pulled up next to me and two women got out. They were discussing their plans. I think they were there for just a day visit also. Another woman walked up as they were talking. The driver opened the rear hatch and they all moved to the back of the van and proceeded to disrobe. Time for me to make the leap. I opened the door, got out and began to take off my clothes, leaving them on the seat. No safety net! The three women next to me were still standing naked at the back of the car talking and busy getting ready. After they finished, they each put on a body wrap, grabbed their stuff and off they went. ???

I went to a picnic table nearby under some trees, to get organized. I put my pack on the table and was back and forth to get my things out of the car. After I got ready I walked down to the bathroom at the end of the parking lot. The door was wide open. For ventilation? It was in fact a communal restroom. Facilities for men and women. I stood at urinal and could look out a clear window to my right and see outdoors just as easily as someone outside could see me, full height, standing there. To use the restroom yet be visible to anyone inside or out was weirdly unsettling and uhhh . . . energizing?

All this was new to me but I sort of liked it. I was feeling better, not only about my reactions but others as well. Wherever I walked, it felt ok. I saw teens, young adults, middle aged and elderly in all states of dress. No one seemed to care or notice that I was naked. If they did, I wasnít aware of it. There was one elderly woman wandering about in the parking area. All she had on was a pair of flip-flops with a towel over her shoulder. I guess she was waiting for someone and preferred to keep active instead of sitting. I felt I was among like minded folks. At least about the lack of clothes.

Because this was my 1st visit to a CO facility, I was a wondering a little about being naked among a large group of strangers. What would it be like? How would I react? How would they react? As I walked around, I discovered that not that many people were naked away from the hot springs. There were a few though, enough that I didnít feel like the odd man out. My 1st naked social hike a while back with my FRN forum friends, Jbee and DF from Tucson and Ken and Amy from Dewey had broken the ice for me on social nudity.

Most of the activity was around the hot spring pools, 10 for public use. I only saw a few people in the ponds wearing bathing suits. The younger people seemed to be less concerned about the nudity. And I did see young and old either fully or partially nude.

Because of limited time, I had decided to do the hike up to the old mining town. It is 1-1/4 mile hike up a jeep trail and over a 500 ft. elev. gain. As I was headed up, a woman, clothed, was walking back down the hill. Just a ďhelloĒ was the only exchange. I spent some time at the old mining town site and took some pictures, but no other visitors showed up. I pretty much had the whole place to my naked self.

The road to the mine and old town.

Walking out toward some the foundation ruins.

The gate in old town, go right to the tailings pile and left to the Bat Cave!
Holy Guano Batman!

A switchback to the upper part of the old town.

A view of San Luis Valley, southwest, from just above Meadow Pond.

Two deer I met on the road.

A panorama of the valley and the dirt road into the property.
Hwy 285, the one I was traveling on, is 7 miles across the
valley at the foot of the mountains on the far side.

The old town is at about 9,000 ft. and it was a cloudless day.  I was getting a great UV treatment from the sun. It was silent, peaceful at the ruins. The temps were perfect with a little breeze. So, after a bit, I headed back down to the main site. When I got back, I took a walk on a trail that circles the central area where the main hot pools are. I considered heading up to the top pools but I didnít have time, so I turned back toward my car. Most of the pools were occupied and busy with conversation.

Reading from the handout you learn that, OLT is a community trying to maintain a sustainable ecosystem that will have less of an impact on their mountain environment. They claim to be COMPLETELY off grid and are very up front about the fact that they are a fully clothing optional facility, with the emphasis on optional. No requirement either way. As part of their sustainability they just happen to have embraced the core principles of naturism. Essentially, that we are part of the natural environment, our clothes are not. It fits into the whole living within nature aspect of  their mission, I guess. It appears that they are trying to keep those values in the forefront of their effort to bring their ideas to the public. They are trying to maintain a small community where all are joined by that common thread. The clothing optional part is just a benefit. Very refreshing! Of course, at 9000 ft., you will need clothes at some point. The night temps were projected for the mid 40ís.

As I mentioned, it is a family oriented facility, I did see kids, toddlers and a couple of teens. The whole time, I remained naked. I took an idea of Jbeeís and began to jot down thoughts and ideas as I moved around. I believe that choosing to do the hike up to the old mining site helped. I was able to walk a 2-1/2 mile round trip, similar to what I am accustomed to here at home. By the time I got back down, I was more relaxed and at ease. I had begun to realize that most of the folks there were more like me than not. It was a new and uplifting experience for me.

I enjoyed the 3-1/2 hrs. I spent there. I wasnít camping, so I didnít have enough time to meet anyone or do much, and even though itís over 700 miles and a 13 hr. drive from home, I would like to go back and finish my visit.

I mean!! I didnít even have time to soak in a pool! Iíll have to go back.
I stayed naked until I pulled up, got out and dressed in front of the main office right before I left. I really didnít want to leave.

Jbeeís write-up on his website.
Bobís write-up on this forum.

General Naturism Discussion / Three Years and Going
« on: June 05, 2018, 07:18:00 PM »
The anniversary of our relocation here at FRN from TSNS is coming up in June. As I recall TSNS died on or about June 8 in 2015 and a couple days later we popped up here.

All I can say is we certainly were fortunate in having Karla and Stuart to look to for relief. They were welcoming and willing to accommodate a scraggly bunch of homeless naturists looking for a warm spot to sit.

Thank you Karla and Stuart.


General Naturism Discussion / The New Arizona Desert
« on: May 30, 2018, 12:06:54 AM »
Jbee, it looks like that philanthropist Bill Gates is about to be philanthropic to Arizona and invite another 190,000 people to live in the desert next door to Phoenix. I only heard about this recently, but apparently it was announced last year.

One article each from, the business side.

I was not surprised at the text in the article that states;
ďBelmont Partners said in a statement that the city "will transform a raw, blank slate into a purpose-built edge city built around a flexible infrastructure model."
This from a writer from an east coast metropolitan area. The mistaken belief that hot deserts are blank slates or worthless land is again at the root of more development plans to TRANSFORM the desert into a livable ďspaceĒ (I hate that word). The desert is actually alive as is and doesnít need a developer to improve it. It is the way it is because it has reached equilibrium. Something developers feel compelled to change.

There is a link at the end of the article that is interesting. Itís title, ďBill Gates and Steve Jobs raised their kids tech-free, and it should've been a red flag.Ē

The other article is one from, the other side.

The question that seldom gets asked, about the water resources, is at least mentioned here. This author is at least familiar with the specific issues in the desert southwest.

I only heard about this recently, but apparently it was announced last year. Have you heard anything about it?
Unfortunately for Arizonans, Gates has noticed Arizona as a prime site to do field testing for all the wonderful tech he has foisted on us and the new tech that is planned. Everything will be run by computers.

Maybe they should name the town Stepford instead of Belmont.


General Naturism Discussion / Naturism/Nudty on the rise in Paris
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:11:20 PM »
Is the nudity pendulum Paris headed back in the opposite direction?
There is a museum in Paris that held a visitation for nudists at the Palais du Tokyo.
Reminiscent of the one in Australia.

According to this article naturism in Paris is on the rise. I guess this is in the city proper. As opposed to a rural resort or a beach location.

Different than what you would expect, where people want to be in a secluded area.

Quote from: from article
ďNaturism is not a phase or fashion. It is a real urban need. We are no longer a minority. We are going to change habits and minds. 2018 is going to be the year of naturism.Ē
One could hope.


General Naturism Discussion / the Irish Have One Now (officially)
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:08:28 PM »
Apparently Ireland now has Itís 1st legal nude beach, Hawk Cliff. The photo in the article looks nice until you look at itís location in Google Earth (see .kmz file below). It looks precarious and rocky, but without a good set of photos itís hard to tell.

As usual ďIreland amended its law regarding public nudity so it's only an offense if someone is "intending to cause fear, distress or alarm", whatever that means. How does you prove intent until they actually do something?

Is a puzzlement!


General Naturism Discussion / New(d) Dining Trends
« on: March 22, 2018, 07:25:38 PM »
I was thinking the other day, so I took an aspirin, about whether that restaurant in London that was catering to the nude diner was still in business. When I logged on here I noticed Bob had updated that topic already, but I went ahead to post this one separate.

So I did a search for ďnaturist diningĒ to see if any new ones had popped up. Among the results I found this article on Forbes from about 18 months ago about the proliferation of new "nudie foodie" establishments.

There are many restaurants that are in nudist/naturist resorts, so I donít count those. I was wondering how many were stand alone businesses that have to survive in a real market where they have to sell their brand to the public.

There was the 1st one that Bob posted on this site about a couple years ago about one in London, The Bunyadi.

Another regular here, Peter (pjcomp), alerted us in that topic to a place in Tokyo, The Amrita, which began itís effort in a blatant attempt to create an exclusive place only for the beautiful people to dine in a decidedly erotic atmosphere that had nothing to do with natursm. The Forbes article mentions this one and that it has modified itís Ďrequirementsí to enter to allow Ďnormalí people to come in. It's also not clear whether they are still in business.

And then there is the most recent one Bob posted about, in Bristol, The Greenbank.
In Milan there is, LíItalo Americano.
And in Melbourne Jo & Lehmoís Nude Food.
With two articles about a Paris eatery, Oínaturel, on a news site.
I use the term lightly as there are no news organizations extant, with another mention on a travel site.

The Paris spot is in the same arrondissement as the "Bois de Vincennes Park" which recently set aside an area for nudists to legally spend time exploring the park dressed appropriately. I seem to remember this showing up here a while back.

So we have places in London, Melbourne, Paris, Milan and Tokyo. I am not aware of one here in America. I did run across mention of nudist clubs and organizations here that will rent a facility for an event, but nothing yet about a stand alone nude/naturist dining establishment. The score now is to the UK, 2 up. Weíll see how long they last.

So the upshot is that there seems to be a trend toward catering to that, I realize itís limited, market. From reading those articles there is always an initial reaction of a giddy excitement about the whole nudity aspect which seems to taper off. Those that attend for the thrill of it, fall away leaving the patrons that are accustomed to social nudity to try to keep the ball rolling. Hopefully those that give it a try will come back after the 1st blush ;) to continue the new experience.

One reporter commented that he didnít see the point of it or that it didnít make a real impression on him that dining in the nude would be a unique experience. Expecting a unique experience, without considering the fare available, puts most of the burden on the nude aspect to bring a pleasant response to people that are already uneasy about being out in public with no clothes on. Most likely many will not be repeat customers.

Overall though, I think the fact of normal people going to an establishment for a normal (to them) evening that happens to include being naked around others will only help get rid of obsessions on appearance and fashion.


General Naturism Discussion / 1st day of Spring
« on: March 20, 2018, 10:00:54 PM »
Well, today is the Vernal Equinox. I need to get up and get out.

We've been working on yard projects all winter and I have had enough of the manual labor for a while.

Supposed to rain tomorrow. Timing is all.


Suggestions / Comments
« on: March 14, 2018, 06:55:41 PM »
This isn't a suggestion but a comment.

The site just rolled over to post #10,000.  I guess that would be a milestone of sorts.

This forum seems to be becoming more well known.


General Naturism Discussion / Philly WNBR
« on: August 30, 2017, 12:50:22 AM »
The Philadelphia World Naked Bike Ride is coming up. Anybody in the area planning to attend?

At least they wait till the end of summer.


General Naturism Discussion / Naturist weather
« on: August 25, 2017, 08:38:15 PM »
I hope everyone in points north and east of Corpus Christi (Hymie, Larry and Safebare to mention a few) are set and ready for Hurricane Harvey. Boats and property secured and RFF.

Should be making landfall Saturday morning.
Be safe.


Trip reports / In Spite of the Heat
« on: July 14, 2017, 01:36:47 AM »
It rained last Monday for about 20 min. Not hard. The 1st rain since the end of Feb. It was just enough to coat everything and cool it down about 10ļ. It didnít get very humid from the rain as the beginning humidity was only about 2%. And the forecast for Tuesday was only 106ļ so I decided to get out and do an early hike. It was close to 90ļ and cloudy when I walked out to the trail at 7:00 am, but a slight breeze made it pleasant. It was a little hazy off on the horizons when I got there but it burned off fast as it warmed up. Since there is no shade and the nearest water is a 3-1/2 mile hike, my intent was to try and be out of there by 10:00 am.

I put my Vibrams on in the car and headed out into the eastern end of the valley. I decided to stay up on the hills and not go down to the valley floor. I knew I wouldnít be there long so I was just wandering around looking at the landscape.

We had a wet winter and all over the slopes and tops of the hills there are small red cactus popping up. I think they are cholla. I donít remember ever seeing this many. They are everywhere. If they all survive, itíll be a cholla forest. I headed up some small hills toward the valley trying to avoid the little cactus sprouts everywhere. I am discovering that the Vibrams do not do well in a prickly environment. The cloth sides do not stop the cholla so I had to stop once or twice to pull the pricklys out.

The low hills near the trailhead

Walking in the desert is a challenge. Everything has a defense against being eaten or stepped on. In the summer, add to that the heat and walking up even a slight hill is a good workout. I have hiked here before when the temps were in the low hundreds.

Low hills terrainSmall cactiSmall cacti area shot

The little chollas are a kind of magenta color and very dark. They add a random pattern of dots, a scattering of color in a gray and brown landscape. As I walked up on the top I headed toward the valley. The desert surface was hard-packed and easy to move on, except for the cactus buds that I had to keep avoiding. I wanted to go to the red sandstone cliffs at the head of the valley and spend some time there. Thatís up a little higher and you have a good 360ļ view.

Mormon Tea on the rocksOn the outcrop looking northMore of the little chollas

I had to get a picture of The Mormon Tea in the middle of the sandstone. As many times as I have seen plants, not only growing but thriving, in the middle of a rock or stone, it always amazes me when I see one. I am compelled to take the picture. Life manages to grab a hold in the most unlikely places. They are more easily seen in the desert or mountainous regions.

To get to cliffs I had to cross a large ravine. Before that I had to find a nice size rock to sit on to get the thorns out of my Vibrams. I didnít want to sit on the ground with all the chollas around. As I walk it is as quiet as I expected, except for the air traffic. After a while I stop hearing them and they just fade into the background. I grew up in the south so I am used to tuning out the drone of background noise.

At the ravine. Go through or around?

After crossing the ravine I head up to the top of the ridge where the cliffs are. The clouds and haze are gone and the sun is right in front of me. I find a perfect spot to sit and lay back for a bit. It is warming up and I can enjoy the heat as it soaks in.

On the cliffs looking westWalking along the cliff edgeYet another mylar balloon

I had found one of those balloons on a previous hike, from this post. I picked up this one on the way back to the car. We always carry plastic bags to pick up trash we find. Old habit from Scouts.

I managed to get some pics even though I forgot my little pocket tripod. I had to get inventive using the top of my pack and rocks. There are no trees to wedge it into or fence posts to prop the camera on so some of the pictures are slightly tilted.

The 5 toes work very well on an established trail, but in places I had to walk across areas of sharp rocks slightly smaller than ping pong balls. Sharp edges of limestone or shale made me wish I had worn something more durable. The prickly little chollas also were a bother, but there were just so many of them.
Next time Iíll wear my Vibramsís only if I will be on smoother surfaces.

I got in my car at 10:05 am and the temp was 98ļ. Right time, right temperature. What heat?


Naturism & Art / Another Cartoon
« on: July 07, 2017, 01:37:11 AM »
Dennis asks the obvious: Why?. And still no clear answer.
Momís serene smile could be a little wistful or humor at the innocent question without a satisfactory answer.

Found the link to this cartoon while checking the website of the woman in the Ocean City, MD dust-up in the forum The Legal Front. Even the cartoons see the irony!


General Naturism Discussion / Wildfire!
« on: June 29, 2017, 03:04:08 AM »
There is a wildfire near Mayer, AZ that is burning near where kensunwalkerís property is and all those wonderful trails he has built. I believe it is about 10 miles south of Dewey and Kenís land.

The location of Goodwin Fire.

Map of Mayer, AZ near Dewey-Humboldt.

I just ran across this. It looks like it started on Sunday.

Thoughts and prayers for Ken & Amy and all the people in the path.


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