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I think the stats about male suicides outnumbering females is right, certainly in the UK, but working out the why still seems to elude us. After centuries of so-called male domination we (this seems a predominantly male discussion group) have had to face the switch to feminism which has, it is said, left men looking for our position in society, searching for the meaning of masculinity. But why that should lead some of us to the extremity of suicide is still unexplained - perhaps the two are not related after all.


General Naturism Discussion / Re: What do you say if they say....?
« on: June 16, 2018, 03:28:14 PM »
I am routinely suspicious of all “studies” and “surveys” because what we actually read has been misinterpreted and reduced to (the wrong) essentials by journalists looking for buy-me headlines. Worse, the original press release has been composed to get publicity to attract more funding, or the whole thing has been cobbled together by the marketing department to sell something.

Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« on: June 12, 2018, 06:10:24 AM »
It’s all in the genes. For a long and healthy life, choose your parents wisely.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: What do you say if they say....?
« on: June 09, 2018, 11:42:25 AM »

You'll get skin cancer. You must stay out of the sun, or coverup. You need sunblock, ask any doctor. Doctors know.

I'm staying out of the sun and I'm covered in sun cream, I'm still naked. Problem solved.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« on: June 08, 2018, 08:24:43 AM »
I think you’ll find the rules are localised and this won’t make any difference to what goes on there already.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« on: June 07, 2018, 05:40:45 PM »
I think the flow charts provided in the guidance make the system simple and easier to follow, with less options for prejudiced discretion, especially given the emphasis on the fact that just because someone doesn’t like doesn’t make it illegal!

Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« on: June 07, 2018, 08:33:51 AM »
One of the problems we’ve had over public nakedness has been the varied interpretation of the rules - what BlueTrain describes as discretion - and the way different rules get used to support those variations. Steve Gough was caught out by some plainly expressed prejudices against his nudity, and the public order case could be (marginally) employed because he was walking down the high street. I think the new guidelines make it clear that simple nudity is not illegal and it will need more than prejudice to justify an arrest.


Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« on: June 06, 2018, 03:21:22 PM »
Thanks for the links, Davie, and for your efforts if you had any input to the discussions that brought this about. As. On says, having a copy of that in the rucksack might not go amiss.


General Naturism Discussion / Re: Laundry day epiphany
« on: June 03, 2018, 05:11:27 PM »
Religion generally gets the blame for any moral system that gets imposed, and certainly moral dictat (in the name of whatever god is involved) is a useful control mechanism for the priesthood to employ. The monotheists do seem to be stricter in this regard - if there are multiple gods available then there’s a worshippers’ market; don’t like one set of rules, move to a different lot. While I don’t think everyone was running around naked before the missionaries arrived, not in Northern Europe, at any rate, too cold, it seems likely that being naked or being seen naked was no big deal. A lot of battles were fought by naked troops, swimming would not involve cover-ups.

However, the peasantry would probably not be allowed to see their betters naked - the story of Lady Godiva, for instance, is that while she was riding naked through Coventry the populace were told to turn their backs (all did except “peeping” Tom). But we need to be wary of word usage and translations, and the “nakedness” of Lady G is these days often taken to mean without all her finery and jewels that stood her apart as nobility, and her nakedness was just dressing down to show solidarity with the poor.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Laundry day epiphany
« on: May 31, 2018, 11:46:43 PM »
Also once upon a time, a once a week bath was considered sufficient.

Whence the old gag, “I have a bath every year on my birthday, whether I need it or not”

Before the ease and luxury of indoor piped water most washing, and certainly all-over bathing, was regarded as unnecessary - go back far enough it was even considered harmful by some. But then of course we can go back further to the Romans and their near-fetish for hot baths. Strange what some people regard as important and how that changes.

Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« on: May 30, 2018, 06:48:00 PM »
Our prime ministerial equivalent of Camp David is a country house estate called Chequers. One time we were walking (textile) with friends who pointed out the house poking above the trees. We passed through a gate and came out next to a heavily chained and camera’d set of gates designed to protect the estate. Except we had just walked across said estate unchallenged on a public footpath, and not even realised we were within the hallowed grounds - such is the sacred nature of the English footpath.

We were probably on camera all the way and shadowed by unseen guardians, but at the I’m excited it certainly felt as though security had been trumped by the footpath system.

Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« on: May 28, 2018, 07:11:30 AM »
As I’m the other side of the pond, Bob, I’ve no political skin in this game, which is why I gave the link rather than any content.


Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« on: May 27, 2018, 01:39:20 PM »
Re the border patrol issue earlier, I came across this feature

on how it’s affecting part of Texas. It mentions at one point that within 25 miles of the border, the border patrol can legally enter and search premises, so that would probably include stop and search of vehicles. In relation to other discussions we’ve had about CCTV in the woods, seems they go in for that a lot in Texas, as well.

If it’s a walk one is likely to do frequently, do it first textile and check out all those things like other users, lines of sight, overlooked from roads, properties etc.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Hiking without a net Part II
« on: May 21, 2018, 12:45:52 PM »
I wouldn't describe the poncho as cheating - I guess if you're not wearing it you're naked, if you are then you're not. But it does raise the question of why we might wear waterproofs if we're naked? Waterproofs are there to keep our clothes dry, and without clothes to keep dry what's the need? I guess it's partly habit (it's raining, keep dry), partly comfort (getting rained on isn't particularly comfortable and can be cold). If no one's around to see you anyway, it'll only matter to you, BT, so just have a good walk however it's done  :)

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