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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Now it's bikes in Philadelphia!
« on: September 18, 2018, 06:09:05 PM »

Why is it legal to stroll along naked on the sidewalk adjacent to a park but illegal the second you set foot in the park

Doubtless some sort of council compromise at the time the rules were made. If one could find the relevant meeting records there was probably some convoluted discussion whereby the fors and againsts gradually worked towards each other. It would have made sense at the time, but in the cold light of later days looks decidedly odd. That’s people for yer!

Free Range Naturism / Re: Doncaster, England and old gravel pits
« on: September 18, 2018, 06:03:03 PM »
JBee, tarns and their like tend to be in remote spots like woods or moorland. If they existed somewhere there has since been building they’ve usually been built over or rechannelled into concrete. And as most people who visit the countryside never go more than 50feet from their cars, one can have such places pretty much to oneself

Introductions / Re: New here - near Boston
« on: September 15, 2018, 08:31:19 AM »
John? Doh!

Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« on: September 14, 2018, 01:39:28 PM »
He did at one point also call them the "scum of the earth", relating to the fact that many were in the army to avoid jail and had a reputation for getting extremely drunk as often as possible. Remember the class system was in full flow at the time and those at the top looked down from a great height on those at the bottom.

Wellington's troops, however, did hold him in high regard as he was a winning general (always good to be on the winning side) and he had a reputation for looking after his men. He was variously known as Old Nosey (for his prominent features), and Old various-other-titles, the preceding "Old" almost invariably indicating a term of endearment/respect.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: French bike safety ad
« on: September 11, 2018, 03:48:34 PM »
It appears to be something Pennsylvanian. Wikipedia says:

"The Nittany Lion is the mascot of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, Pennsylvania, USA and its athletic teams. There is a song played during sporting events on campus entitled "The Nittany Lion"."

... and ...

"Mount Nittany is the common name for Nittany Mountain, a prominent geographic feature in Centre County, Pennsylvania, USA. The mountain is part of a ridge that separates Nittany Valley from Penns Valley, with the enclosed Sugar Valley between them."

Then there's:  "A Nittany Lion is the male alternative to a "Cougar," an older male that seeks sexual company from a younger man or boy, a term supposedly was made popular by Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State football coach and alleged sexual predator."

But I guess you're really asking where the "nittany" bit comes from. Supposedly it's derived from the Algonquian word Nit-A-Nee meaning "single mountain". According to the Penn State folklore, Nit-A-Nee is also the name of a Native American maiden whose actions caused Mount Nittany to be formed.

But as all this came from the internet I don't know if any of it is true ...  :o

Trip reports / Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« on: September 11, 2018, 10:14:41 AM »
Sounds like a beautiful day out, Duane. Glad you came back here to share it

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: August 16, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
We’re they simpler days, or did we just see them as such because of our age and circumstances? Is today more complicated because we are bombarded with so much more of it from so many directions and in so many competing voices?

I think club membership is less because people don’t join clubs like they used to, in any sphere of interest. Too much competition for our time to commit to a club, no patience for the rules and regulations that go with it, less respect for authority reflected in disregarding those who want to run a club or organisation. Gonna do my own thing, man!

And of course, still available on YouTube is the BBC’s 1979 documentary Let’s Go Naked which, although now extremely dated in so many ways, is a testament to what TV can do when it acts like a grown-up.

Introductions / Re: jmf from France
« on: August 01, 2018, 03:44:17 PM »
Welcome back, JMF — great to have you with us again

Free Range Naturism / Re: A couple of things
« on: July 22, 2018, 08:51:26 AM »
The number of things that can - and do - get dropped into an open toilet bowl and accidentally flushed away gives credence to that one. And walking under ladders risks falling objects, so no superstition then. Having moved house on Friday 13th and experienced the one dry day in three months of near continuous rain I think I’ve disproved that one. Black cats have witchcraft connotations, take that as you will; I believe unlucky 13 is to with the Last Supper, so ditto; and that rabbit’s foot wasn’t lucky for the rabbit, so go figure.

Free Range Naturism / Re: A couple of things
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:16:39 PM »
When my dad was in the Navy, back in the ‘40s, his eyesight was flagged as a problem at his medical. Expecting to be tons to get glasses, instead the doctor gave him exercises to do. As a result he didn’t need glasses till well into his 60s.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: July 10, 2018, 06:46:50 AM »

This one is from Australia, but the problem seems to be the same everywhere. The police decide on the law and arrest accordingly - in this instance they took it on themselves that the simple act of being naked (at a swimming lake) was lewd behaviour. Happily, the magistrate disagreed.

Trying to define a "community" these days is an elusive thing. Once, and not that long ago, a street, or an area of several streets, or a village, even a small town could be called "community". When I started work at a local newspaper 40-something years ago that idea was already on its way out. Of course people talked about their tow or village community, but in reality that was falling apart - all too many people slept in their village but worked outside it, there was no longer a school or shop and often no longer a pub, so many previously-community activities moved elsewhere and fragmented.

Families had long since given up staying within yards of where they were born, and had spread across country. More and more "communities" were defined by common interest rather than locality. So the tennis club was a community focus, but members came from 30 miles around, and so on.

Nowadays our communities are wired together across continents and oceans. We have this little community here; I'm probably within 50 miles of ric, maybe a bit more from Davie and Nuduke, but we're pretty unlikely to meet in the flesh (can be arranged, guys, let me know).  On another forum there are members even closer; we've yet to meet up, though we converse frequently on screen.

But is any of that the sort of community whose members will bring you chicken soup if you're ill, or tell you what your kids were up to behind the bus shelter? Too much change for a bare of very little brain like me to handle ...

What Ric said. The new guidelines have been a talking point inside the naturist “community” (if there really is such a thing) but unmentioned outside it - while it may give some more confidence to not cover up while on walks, it’s never going to lead to a revolution on the streets. We are British, after all.

These guidelines serve two causes. For BN they help clear up the legalities and will hopefully protect naturists going about their lawful business naked - they don’t presage a mass culture change. For the police they will act as a money-saver; if police call centres can tell callers “it’s not a crime” then police officers won’t have to be despatched to deal with it - money-saver!

Not connected to this but maybe of more use in cultural understanding, one of our local newspaper groups appears to have a naturist advocate in a central position. This all the newspapers in what is a nationwide group carry features syndicated from head office; on a not infrequent basis for a couple of years now they have run features on “where you can get naked in XXX”, complete with chapter and verse on the legal situation, making it clear that simple naked is not of itself illegal.

This information tends to get repeated underneath the occasional stories about “person seen walking naked” shock horror (the shocked and horrified member of the public always being so shocked and horrified as to whip out their mobile phone for photos or videos, often while driving, which is illegal).

…years of everyday use without too many problems

Perhaps the question should not be when and how did  nudity become legal but when and how did it become illegal

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