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General Naturism Discussion / Neighbor
« on: August 17, 2020, 11:22:04 PM »

The other day I was walking down the north side of our house along the side yard toward the back when I heard my neighbor's side patio door open. The fence is 6' yet I could see that the top of the door was open and assumed he would be out back somewhere.  There was something I wanted to ask him about.  There is a step up near the back of our yard for about 6' until the gate to the alley is reached.  At the step up the fence is around 5.5'on our side yet not on his as there is no change in grade. It is a good place to talk over the fence.  As usual I was nude and had been gardening and did not want to go find my shorts and get dressed just to speak with him so I figured it would just look like I was shirtless speaking over the short part of the fence.  I figured he was some where in the back and if I could get his attention I'd just ask my question and that would be it.  As I reached the back yard and took the step up toward the short part of the fence I noticed the top of his head right next to me just on the other side.  I started getting that sort of titillating feeling of exposure being so close as there are a couple of spaces in the fence panels where someone close could see through.

He was looking at something around his back fence and didn't notice me until I popped my head over to speak with him.  We kind of startled each other as he didn't hear me approach and as I looked over the fence I noticed he was shirtless as well and clad only in a loose sarong that looked like it was about to fall off.

He has been working from home during the shut down and said he was just out to get his 15 minutes of sun. I'm sure now that he was working nude in the house and just threw the sarong on to go outside. I think he felt a bit awkward at me seeing him dressed like that and I was a bit flustered myself as I didn't quite know how to put him at ease and tell him I was nude anyway. I'm not very good at thinking on my feet. I wanted to say something yet could only say it was nice he could work from home and be so comfortable. He agreed and laid back in a chair pulling the sarong up so that just his crotch was covered and I went back to my gardening.

He has a younger girlfriend who I've seen getting out of her car rather scantily clad in some sort of sarong a couple of times and if I take some garden veggies over at times she answers the door in a robe.  I guess we have nudist neighbors.  The next time I run into him, I'm going to suggest we declare each others property clothing optional and just assume that if one of us is out back that we are nude and no reason to cover up outside for each other.

Anyone have a similar experience or have any ideas how to bring the subject up?

Free Range Naturism / Re: Deep Creek Hot Springs near Hesperia.
« on: February 26, 2020, 08:12:40 PM »

The website for the new campground near Bowen Ranch is up and running.  They've yet to install the wells for showers and other amenities.     The campground and parking area will be about 160 acres.  At the bottom of the info page on parking and camping they state that nudity is accepted in the camping areas and request cover ups for the common areas so I guess clothing will be required in the showers. I'm assuming nudity will be okay to and from the camping and parking areas.  I'll try to get out there this spring for a look see when it is more developed.

Free Range Naturism / Re: De Anza Springs
« on: February 26, 2020, 08:03:49 PM »

Here is the link to the latest De Anza Springs newsletter.  They are advertising a nude hike to the Carrizo Gorge railway trestle taking place in May.
I'll follow up with details as they are provided.

Free Range Naturism / Re: De Anza Springs
« on: February 07, 2020, 12:30:21 AM »
Regarding two posts back.  They actually were issuing citations for 3-4 Benjies when I was there.  Someone called into the office about it when I was signing in and I heard them explain that a new RR company was starting up there.  I recently checked with the office and apparently that activity has stopped for now so hiking the tracks is okay.

I didn't notice that other article of yours in that issue.  Nice to be quoted.

Here is the latest issue.  The northeast trail also leads to the Carrizo Gorge overlook about 5 mi RT.  Beautiful view of all the trestles from about 600 feet above.  Pretty easy hike until the last 600' traverse.  Let me know if you are heading out there and I'll give you directions for the hike.  Pretty easy really if you remember one or two turns.

Free Range Naturism / Deep Creek Hot Springs near Hesperia.
« on: January 16, 2020, 08:34:20 PM »
I haven't been to Deep Creek for several years and am planning a trip in the fall.  I recently read that there is an alternative entrance to a new camping area near Bowen Ranch.  According to some reports the step off area of the new place is actually the same lower parking area of the Bowen Ranch.  Apparently Mike the owner is retiring or leaving the area.

I read the new campground will have running water with bathrooms and hot showers.  This could be good or bad depending on the crowds the place could draw. Deep Creek's remoteness and lack of facilities tended to keep the crowds down.  It seems to have been discovered on the web.

Has anyone been to the new place and has anyone heard if the new campground will be clothes free like Bowen?

Free Range Naturism / Re: De Anza Springs
« on: January 16, 2020, 08:24:11 PM »
Here is another issue with some hiking information.  The De Anza web site has improved their hiking guide so a check of their site may be helpful as well.
Last year the rail road tracks were off limits due to a new rail operation starting.  Citations were being issued to hikers and mountain bikers on the rail route.
According to De Anza hiking guide the track hike is listed again so maybe the rail operation went bust or something.  I'd verify with the front office before heading out on the tracks.  I probably won't get out there for a hike until March or so yet I'll send a report when I do.  Still the best place I've ever found for hours of no net hiking.

Free Range Naturism / Re: De Anza Springs
« on: November 21, 2019, 11:28:02 PM »

Hello JB.

The chimney is on the trail above and to the right of the rail road tracks in the gorge.  There are several access points to the ridge just west of the resort. If walking south on the ridge before you get to the rail road cars below the trail intersects with a trail going above the gorge. The trail descends to a small group of trees after these trees you will encounter another group trees in a few minutes walk. Then the trail goes up a bit.  You will see old rusty cans strewn along the hillside down slope to your left.  Look for a cairn on your right and a narrow foot path leading up hill. This will take you to a clearing where the chimney is. I think it was from the bunkhouse for the rail road workers running the water tank there. 

I took my md up there one day hoping to find some old coins and only got a big hit for silver in a rock I found laying around.  I left it on the hearth.
In probing around with a piece of re-bar I'm pretty sure I found the spot for the out house yet I didn't feel the need to disturb what has got to be a huge stash of old bottles and such.  I was just trying to figure out the layout of the place and how they lived.

Here is the latest news from De Anza with an article on the history of the trails.  There is a link at the bottom to more info on trails and if you look under activities on the website a list of trails. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: De Anza Springs
« on: November 07, 2019, 08:40:00 PM »
Sorry JB.  I thought that issue had an article on the chimney trail.  I'll attach other issues if I can find them.  The last time I was there, which has been a while due to nagging foot and back issues, the tracks were off limits as a new RR outfit was going to start using them.  The upper chimney trail is still ok and the trail to the falls is ok if you just cross the tracks and don't follow them.  Here is a couple of hikes without accompanying newsletter

I'll sort through the issues I have and attach ones with hiking information.

Free Range Naturism / De Anza Springs
« on: November 06, 2019, 08:27:21 PM »
Here is a copy of the latest De Anza Springs weekly newsletter.

They've been running a series on their hiking trails.  All nude and net free friendly. I've never taken any cover along on any hike.

I just copied and pasted the link so I hope it is clickable.  You can also visit their site and signup to get the newsletter as well.  A lot of activities there yet hiking and water volley ball are probably the most popular.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Body Rights/Spiritual Rights
« on: May 29, 2019, 09:56:40 PM »

"In the woods we return to reason and faith."  Is an in short view of Emerson's take on the subject.  I personally have found that to be much more reasonable and faithful when nude.  His essays go a long way in discussing these topics and why we should be free to find our own way in life and our own path to god and nature.

Thanks for the post JB.  Years ago I wrote and then deleted by accident my own essay on my journey to naturism.  You've inspired me to attempt a new version which I'll post when done.

Say JB I posted a story a couple years back about a hike at De Anza during a Booze fighters MC gathering and music event.  You were kind of interested in it. It looks like this year's is taking place in June I think.  If you check De Anza's web site it should be under events.

It is a bit odd walking around nude amidst all the chrome and fully clothed bikers and their gfs.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Black's Beach, CA.
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:16:31 AM »
Don't know if this link will work.  The Salk Institute is right next door and if you go to contacts at the bottom of their home page a page with a map and directions comes up and if you enlarge the map you will see Blacks right next door and clicking that pictures and directions come up.
Caution some of the pictures contain partial nudity.'s+Beach/@32.8872036,-117.2465251,16z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x80dc0694b7f1d867:0x4ddacf6933d0616f!2s10010+N+Torrey+Pines+Rd,+La+Jolla,+CA+92037!3b1!8m2!3d32.8865293!4d-117.244251!3m4!1s0x80dc069182b683e7:0x64d44a231b5489d1!8m2!3d32.8876915!4d-117.2529227?hl=en-US

Free Range Naturism / Re: Black's Beach, CA.
« on: September 15, 2018, 11:39:25 PM »
Thanks JB and Duane.
I didn't even think of Hannah and Splash at the time.  As she approached me I was more channeling Kilgore Trout's Venus on the Half Shell. Gonna have to dig up some old Vonnegut books I think. This is making me nostalgic for his kind of sci fi. 
I think a lot of the movement was just her stretching in some sort of walking and stretching routine. Taking a step and while extended dipping both knees then rising and stepping again and then maybe twisting her torso as she took a normal stride.  Sort of reminded me of Monty Pythons Ministry of Silly Walks.  Any way she was beautiful to look at and even more so inside. A truly guile less hippie girl in her own world just enjoying the energy of the day.

I've done the wave jumping thing to and also love body surfing or boogie boards there.  Sam was just doing her walking routine parallel to the shore and when a wave hit her she would tumble over, get up and continue her stretching wade along the surf.
Here is an inside tip Duane if you ever want to visit.  Some of the best weather is late September early October. The water can get up to 75 or a bit warmer then with warm dry santa ana wind conditions.  The sun is so bright on the water and the sky so blue.  The sunsets are gorgeous as the orange and purple hues of the sky reflect on the blue water.

Blacks can be a bit of a hike to get up more than down.  I suggest the northern parking lot access trail. You can also walk in from near Del Mar along the beach or La Jolla around the point when the tide is right.  For a while in the late eighties early nineties even cones marked the line between state and city beaches you could walk nude or sun bathe nude down to the point just north of La Jolla and north up to a large rock out crop in Torrey Pines stated park.  Some years ago the city re-established enforcement on the city beach and the state made the northern boundary somewhere between the globe and the tide pools.

Speaking of old Vonnegut books JB I know you've talked before about the strange energy or vibe around De Anza Springs.  Hiking out in the hills behind the resort some times evokes thoughts of Castenada for me.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised to bump into Don Juan Matis while being in the moment on a nude stroll out there.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Doctor visits
« on: September 11, 2018, 11:56:11 PM »
I posted a follow up under Blacks Beach in another thread.  Not really about doctors yet more about my ultimate recovery.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Black's Beach, CA.
« on: September 11, 2018, 11:54:03 PM »

As a retired person and a naturist I enjoy being nude in the outdoors whether it be hiking and swimming in the mountains or desert or just enjoying a morning or afternoon praying, meditating or puttering around the back yard gardening, maintaining bird feeders, cleaning the pool doing a crossword puzzle and such. Always counting my many blessings for being able to live the rest of my life this way if I want. I usually don't have to be anywhere and my stress level is somewhere in the range of" huh? and well...don't worry about it."  Save trips to the store, home depot or a nursery I can often spend days like this and even a week or two even a month before rousing from my reverie to do something important like go for a nude hike or visit a nude beach.  After all I'm a little over or an hour from De Anza Springs and about 30 minutes from Blacks Beach.

After an active day of gardening etc I generally shower in the evening, don a robe, slip into a martini and sit to watch an hour or two of TV before heading for bed leaving the robe on the door I slide into bed for a peaceful nude sleep.  When ever I wake up I head out to the back still nude and start my day only dressing later if I have to go out.

It was on just such an early fall morning  a year or so ago as I was having coffee and watching the hummingbirds fighting over the feeder that the thought occurred to me that I hadn't been to the beach all summer and my last nude hike was in June.  How did this happen!! I mused and then dithered awhile as to whether I should get dressed for a drive to the beach or stretch out on the lounger and finish Sunday's NYT crossword.  I finally resolved to take the puzzle to the beach and work on it there. I put on an old faded and threadbare pair of Russell gym shorts a polo shirt and sanuks grabbed my Tilley and a towel and headed out the door.

Half hour later I was in La Jolla at the head of the goat trail atop the cliffs overlooking Blacks Beach. The hot, dry fall Santa Ana winds were in pitched battle defending the cliffs from the invading off shore sea breeze. I stood in the melee of warring breezes and looked down on the near deserted beach a couple hundred feet below. A few nude soles wandering along the surf line and a towel or two laid out here and there along the sand.  The sun glared brightly in the white sea foam of the waves as they curled onto the shore. A fairly big wave day and I could see surfers out further and south of the trail. A mile and a half of cliff lined clothes free paradise set off from the urban sprawl a half mile east.

I have been up and down this trail many many times and was trying to remember my last visit.  A year or so before I had been plagued with a strange illness.  Severe joint pain along with the constant rigors of fever and chills that went on for a month before I got a proper diagnosis and medicine.  The final diagnosis which was just about the least severe of all the possible what ifs being considered by specialists was taken with great relief and thankfulness for small favors yet did come with a few caveats. The cure all elixir that was prescribed kept me out of the sun and off martinis for the duration of medical treatment which lasted most of a year.

I'd now been declared well and off the regime for a few months by then.  I quickly realized it had probably been well over a year or maybe two since I'd been to the beach.  The long drought from sunshine ended one summer day a few months after stopping the medicine.  I remember being out in the yard, looking down at my clothes and wondering what am I dressed for?  Seconds later I was nude enjoying the sun and now here I was a couple months later my sun tan restored walking down to the beach.

The hike down the goat trail was uneventful except encountering an older surfer carrying his board up the trail.  As he passed me I noticed he was nude with no net just his board for cover.  Generally the beach alone is clothing optional and not the trails yet on this day our intrepid surfer was making it so.  He was barefoot and only had his board and I wondered if he had driven from his home that way or had a pair of shorts in his car.  While continuing down the trail and as I was considering this odd encounter a vivid memory came rushing to mind of my own nude hike down to the beach almost thirty years prior using a boogie board for cover.

I had driven to the beach nude and didn't want to dress for the hike down. One of those spur of the moment dares.  It was around noon on a spring day there were a few people heading down the trail from the lot.  I didn't think I'd have the nerve yet when there was a brief break in trail activity I was out of the car and walking nude down the trail with only the boogie board for cover before I actually realized what I was doing and it was quite the experience as I passed clothed people coming up from the beach about a quarter way down.  I was in very good shape at the time and could have easily run back up to the car yet I pressed on surviving the first encounter from two couples and we exchanged smiles as we passed.  There was such a nervous rush to it all and I began thinking of the risk I was taking and that maybe I should dress.

The goat trail is the northern access to the beach from the cliffs above.  It is steep and about half way down there is a 30-40' wide rounded lookout before the trail narrowly descends again to the beach.  A line of people were coming up the trail and holding the board horizontally at my waist, I waited for them to pass before continuing on.  The trail narrowed significantly for the final leg to the beach and it seemed deserted so I pressed on. Of course as soon as I started down several folks started up the trail from the beach all of them dressed. It was too late to do anything so I pressed on passing and greeting them on the narrow trail assuming most had just dressed for the hike up and had been nude anyway.  I was still a bit of an unknown risk and I was glad to hit the sand.

Now thirty years later here I was kicking off my sliders at the bottom of the trail, stuffing my clothes in my pack and seeking a place to lay out my towel.  I walked toward the surf line sucking in the salty sea air feeling the sun and breeze and had an overall sense of being re-born.  I exhaled deeply sloughing off any remnants of the ills of the past and felt completely renewed.

The glare of sun on the water and crashing waves was blinding yet as I neared the water I began to recognize a rather awkward looking shape just off shore in the zone of white foam between waves and sand.  At first I thought it to be a large dog yet as I watched the figure now appeared human and was just stumbling in the surf zone walking blissfully along  while waves knocked them over every few seconds sending arms and legs flying in different directions as the waves carried the figure closer to shore.

This went on for a few minutes yet as the figure emerged from the ocean, the last waves spitting this person on the shore. Still blinded quite a bit by the ocean's glare I began to notice glints of blond hair and bronze skin as the person approached in a very unusual way lifting and stretching their legs in different directions as they walked and waving their arms about.  Almost in fact as if they had just been born from the sea and into a human body with which they were not yet familiar.

As the person approached within forty or fifty yards and began to take shape I realized it was a woman and as she neared it became apparent that she was a tall stunning young lady with wet golden locks strung around bronze shoulders. Many thoughts were going through my head at once like was it legs or fins I first noticed flailing around in the surf. Was this a mermaid turned human approaching or Aphrodite herself born once again from the sea? The closer she got the more beautiful she appeared and with a small necklace of tiny white shells her only attire I began to wonder if I might be seeing things and maybe the fever and chills were returning.  The most curious thought was why in the world is this goddess walking toward me?

She continued her awkward walk with an occasional break to normal stride as she approached within a few feet greeting me with a bright smile and hello before bending down to pick up her clothes which were in a pile a couple feet from me.  I hadn't really noticed them until then. My reverie now broken I realized she was someone who had gone for a dip and was returning to her things which happened to be lying next to me.
I returned her greeting and we began to chat as she gathered her clothes. As the nude boundaries change from time to time I was curious what the exact nude area limits were so I asked if she knew. Samantha (Sam) as I later learned dropped everything on the sand, stood straight up and with the exaggerated arm movements of Dorothy's scare crow she began pointing and explaining in a voice very similar to the muppets Janice that "OK.. You can be NAKED from the southern trail down there to the earth globe up there. (The earth globe is an old metal mooring that broke loose from some place and ended up near the northern end of the beach years ago. Sometime in the last 20 or so years someone painted a globe on it.) As we chatted I realized Sam was a true hippie having been raised in Northern California where according to her everyone walks around naked and as someone well into their seventh decade it was simply awesome to meet such an innocent and guileless wonderful person living in the big city. Not a part of her body was untouched by the sun. Her shoulder length hair had probably rarely if ever been styled nor the glistening small blond hairs on her shins had never been shaved. Yes she was a beautiful and wonderful contrast to the current smooth trend at the beach and a true throw back to  a simpler time.  As an old trying hard to be organic gardener I'm sure this young woman could have shared many tips from her hippie family in the north.   She said she really didn't want to get naked today yet the heat and the water made it irresistible so she had shed her clothes and ran into the ocean a bit before I arrived.  As we began to part ways she again left her clothes as they lay and Venus returned to the sea for one more dip and who could blame her.  I was off to find my own spot and do the same.  As I walked up the beach Sam was back in the surf zone doing that awkward walk and getting knocked ass over tea kettle by the oncoming waves and enjoying every bit it would seem.
I felt truly renewed and thankful not just by the sea and air yet also knowing there are still young souls who know how to enjoy a nude beach.
Cheers and namaste everyone.

Trip reports / Re: De Anza Springs visit and day trip report
« on: September 02, 2018, 07:57:00 PM »

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