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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« on: October 16, 2020, 05:03:06 PM »
I am always offended when media references the SCOTUS justices as liberal or conservative. The only purpose in doing so is to support an improper bias.
This is the first time I am beginning to understand what the term constitutional means in reference to judges. Of course 'all' judges adhere to constitutional law. How can one judge be more 'constitutional' than another??
The question really boils down to constitutional theory. To we interpret it as written, based on cultural factors at the time, or is it a living document that adapts.

For quite a few years there have been political advocates who used the courts to "write" laws that the Congress would not enact.   Instead of what is written in plain language they "interpret" the law as a "living document" that means whatever their political agenda wants it to mean.  That is the crux of the argument.  Should the Congress be the body authorized to change the law, or should the courts "reinterpret" to enact laws that Congress opposed?  Conservatives mostly believe that Congress should write laws and the Court should enforce the laws as written.  Liberals mostly believe that laws need to be revised and reinterpreted for "cultural factors" and political agendas. So we have conservative (law upholding) and liberal (law revising/writing) judges. 

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« on: October 12, 2020, 04:37:13 PM »
The Supreme Court Picks are the opposite of what  they purport to be.

Far out dude. (as we used to say in the 60s.) 

It is political picks for something that should be apolitical. Face it.Jbee

Even the Democratic Party wouldn't let FDR "Pack the court" as he wanted to do, but Biden Democrats are now advocating making it completely political. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: Itís better naked - who knew?
« on: October 09, 2020, 05:26:41 PM »
Research published in the Journal of Sex Research.

And we're always told getting naked is not about sex. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: October 06, 2020, 04:51:17 PM »
Sounds good Ric.  Glad you are able to cut back on work.   Have you ever just bicycled past the dog walkers without covering up?   Even a "tan through" beach wrap is a hassle to put on and off every time someone is seen. 

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« on: October 03, 2020, 12:38:29 AM »
Trump is getting his picks from The Federalist Society. The Federalist are the ones that originally giving opposition to the Bill of Rights.

Saying that The Federalists originally opposed the Bill of Rights is like saying Democrats originally were the Slave Defending Party.  However, Wikipedia says the Federalist Society was founded in 1982 to oppose the liberal view that the US Constitution was to be reinterpreted according to current agendas.  "The society states that it "is founded on the principles that the state exists to preserve freedom, that the separation of governmental powers is central to our constitution, and that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be."

That sounds to me as advocating what you posted above, "We common people used to be able to consistently understand our Rights as something stable in principle that we could take to the bank. Now, much of it requires a lawyer to interpret it for us and "tell US" what our rights are. Thus, politicians in robes."  It sounds to me that the Federalist Society and you are much in agreement, our Rights should be stable in principle, not something to be waived off according to a current political agenda.

For example, the Warren Court had a huge determination just to decide about yelling "fire" in a crowded place. It was a a really big deal. At that time Free speech was an absolute principle and easy to understand. Now there are many obstacles to express ourselves freely and a lawyer is required. So goes free expression down the tubes.

My opinion, but I figure that you are being duped on this one. The two highly religious appointments will not protect being naked. Time will tell.

I agree with your principles, Jbee, but it appears to me as if the Federalist Society members are the ones who support those principles, while the "liberals" on the bench are the ones who want to reinterpret away our formerly protected freedoms.  Chief Justice Warren and his court went a long way toward re-interpreting away our freedom.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« on: October 02, 2020, 02:32:03 PM »
We common people used to be able to consistently understand our Rights as something stable in principle that we could take to the bank. Now, much of it requires a lawyer to interpret it for us and "tell US" what our rights are. Thus, politicians in robes. A breakdown in the value, perhaps the greatest value of our government and our country. Striving for more perfect union requires more perfect principle and protections, but now it is mush and perfect union is breaking down for we the people, in favor of those in actual control, business and dishonest politicians bent on keeping power.

I'm glad that President Trump is getting to appoint Supreme Court Justices who read our Constitution and defend the Rights as written instead of "interpreting" changes according to political winds.  We have seen way to much abrogation of our rights since the Warren court and even before.  You are very right there. 


Free Range Naturism / Re: Public nudity
« on: October 02, 2020, 02:25:54 PM »
Here in the UK public nudity is becoming more acceptable, certainly in the countryside with no  prosecutions for several years for non-sexual nakedness.

That is good news.  Most people enjoy seeing other humans.

Our biggest problem are demonstrators against children attending naturist events which take place at commercial premises. These business are now being forced by business reasons to make these events 18 plus. There was also its a near riot last Saturday when naturists leaving an event were spat at, hassled and had their cars damaged. All this brought about by mindless thugs, whipped up by social media giving a totally wrong idea about naturists. The local press were involved in this an then turned up at the event, real chickbait reporting.
Davie  8)

That is sad.  The media feeds on controversy and works hard to stir up as much turmoil as they can.  A good riot gives them lots of fodder for their aggressive hate speech.  Many of the sheep willingly go riot on command.   It is impossible to dialogue with them.  They read it all in the DailyMail, etc.

Progress is being made though.  More people are being seen naked in many places.  The media will stop reporting when it becomes too "ho hum" to sell products.


Free Range Naturism / Re: Public nudity
« on: October 02, 2020, 04:45:56 AM »
Bob, I'd like to read what ever you found about Africans wanting to claim more traditional lack of dress. Do you have any links to the info?

It was a while ago and I didn't save a link.  Sorry.

I like the naked part but with the possibility of any Pict-like cultural ancestry, I have no desire to dress in woad.

Woad stinks like crazy while being prepared.  I'm not sure I would want it either.

My Native American ancestry is generally telling me that the tradition is to sweat with genitals covered "out of respect" by spiritual elders. I don't believe that at all. I think that the Christian oppression brought on that inhibition and that nude sweat was simply forgotten as the tradition. It just don't make sense.  Casual nudity was no big deal for most peoples. Not saying that there haven't been people hung up on clothing like now.

Pretty sure you are right about Christian oppression.  A friend who is a Lakota Medicine Woman told me that a lot of the original traditions were lost, and what is now practiced includes a lot of re-imagining. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: October 02, 2020, 04:40:16 AM »
I have a friend that has been having the same results from a keto diet, which is the same, but add some veggies.I don't think that just meat is what is getting you your health and that you could have more variety.

I tried the Atkins/keto diet several times since it first was published almost 50 years ago.  It never worked for me.  It always had too much organized counting, and still includes enough carbs that I ended up feeling very hungry when my blood sugar dropped.   Apparently it works for some people.   The Carnivore program is easier.  No counting anything, in fact we recommend not counting calories or ounces, etc.  Eat when hungry.  Eat until not hungry. Yum. 

Eating quantity of meat stuffs me up anymore. I risk hemorrhoids, constipation, and things petrifying in my guts. Personally, I'll choose having an extremely easy each morning constitutional like clockwork.

Most people starting a pure carnivore diet complain about the opposite.  They get frequent runny poo. They call it "the carnivore runs."  No undigested plant fibers to cause blockage.  That's a sea change for most people's colons.  Whatever works for you. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: October 01, 2020, 04:21:16 PM »
LOL.  Thieves didn't even bother looking for an open window on the kerbside.  They won't bother looking for your keys either.  Just broke the driver side window as usual.  There are often cars left alone at trailhead parking where some thieves can loot without being seen.   

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: October 01, 2020, 02:49:21 PM »
as stated above if you take a small risk often enough it will happen at some point.
when driving ive always got alternate clothing in the vehicle....even if only overalls wrapped round the toolbox to stop rattles.

There have been times when I have stood behind my car on a busy street or parking lot and changed my jeans for shorts. Can't go naked in cities, but you can briefly change outfits. Not secret at all, but nobody has ever complained to me.

and never leave the car keys behind..

I'm willing to hide my keys because I don't like having things to carry in my hand when nude in the wild.  If the top of your tire isn't visible, hidden by the metal, then keys on top of the tire is a good place.  On the ground behind the tire is also good.  Off the path under a rock works too.  Thieves will break your glass before they spend time hunting for your keys. Back in the day, hiding keys on a tire was fairly common in some parts, but i think its rare and mostly unknown now so nobody will look there.  My bicycle has a carry bag for clothes, keys, money, cell phone, etc. 

Two of my cars have a touch pad for the door lock so you could leave the keys in the car and touch the combination.  That saved me one time when I accidentally shut the car door with the engine running.  I feel more safe having the key pad access. 

Many of the new cars now have a push button to start so they don't really need a key.  The "fob" microchip thing is what that is needed.

and i dont do bad weather

Me neither.  It has to be above 50F in calm sunshine or warmer with a breeze or partly cloudy. 70F and sunny is best time.  I don't enjoy our long cold winters.

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: September 28, 2020, 03:20:24 PM »
Is this the same as the Paleo Diet, supposedly based on what Stone Age man ate. The problem with this one is that Stone Age man had a life expectancy of onl6 about 35!

That really isn't true.  Many stone age people lived 60 or 70 years.  Lots of children died, but once they had survived youthful diseases, our ancestors often lived as long as we do.

A little similar but not the same as a "paleo" diet.

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: September 27, 2020, 07:56:52 PM »
Re the diet - that's amazing, Bob.  As a biochemist, I can perceive some of the science behind it.  The Atkins Diet is similar in that it removes carbs leaving protein and fat, I seem to recall.  The biochemistry of that is well established.

Yes, the basic science has been around for half a century.  It doesn't market big corporation carb and sugar products so its largely ignored. 

The Mewe link didn't work for me as you have to be a member and sign in.  Any other good open references to the Carnivore diet?  It certainly seems to have worked - How did you come across it?John

My youngest son had been a carnivore for a year.  His health had significantly improved.  We talked a lot about it when I was visiting last summer (2019).  It began eating that way last September, and now I'm doing super.   We call it a "Way of Eating" or WOE rather than a "diet."  Its a long term healthy life style rather than something to do for a while to lose weight before gaining it all back. 

Maybe you can try the Facebook group World Carnivore Tribe.   Their pinned post has most of the same links. 

Trip reports / Re: Wilderness of Rocks Trail: Beyond: Part II
« on: September 27, 2020, 03:53:37 PM »
Beautiful area.   

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« on: September 27, 2020, 03:49:56 PM »
To allude to a Supreme Court justice writings, before the court was cheapened into being just a group of politicians in robes and was there to protect we the peoples Rights in principle: I know it when I experience it and that should be reason enough. He was writing about defining porn at the time. I'm just saying that I know that it feels right, it is a right. We find these truths to be self evident...

It would be good to find a US Supreme Court that would rely heavily on Constitution Amendments 9 and 10.   9 has been ignored for a century or more.  Nudist organizations should bring law suits under Amendment 9 and demand freedom of expression and freedom to choose our own body cover or not as a fundamental human right. 

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