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I've always beenof the opinion that designated areas imply everywhere else is off limits.....which is not the case in uk and much of europe.

There is also the perceived  problem of designated naturist areas with free access becoming well known to the general public and attracting the voyeurs and perverts.   Generally I avoid the well known officially designated naturist beaches on the uk south coast....if I want to visit a beach I'll just find a quiet one .

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: November 27, 2020, 09:01:03 AM »
A digi camera or phone can be used to take a pic of a junction of paths with a temp marker, stick pointer or whatever.   MArker can then be dismantled but you've a record of it for the return journey.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: November 18, 2020, 09:03:23 AM »
I've not checked and don't go to france, but would expect the legalities to be similar to Spain  , they're both governed by european union laws.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 18, 2020, 08:59:33 AM »
The online tax and test checkers are handy too.    When buying a used car you only need the reg no. To get all the test results  and see what it's failed on and had repaired in past years.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: November 16, 2020, 09:34:21 AM »
I feel no compulsion to be naked 24/7.   So I don't have to be a secret naturist where I feel it's not appropriate , whatever my perceived reasons,.   Im just free-range whenever and wherever I decide to be and untill I decide it's time to stop.
I just don't get naked where I've got to be secret , I may be discrete , but there's a subtle difference, in my mind anyway.   I guess secret is a necessity , discrete is choice.
For example if I leave the vehicle at the roadside to go for a walk in the woods  I'll maybe wear a flimsy wrap till out of sight of the road....I don't have to wear shirt and trousers to hide my intentions,. If I encounter someone whilst naked I don't try to done clothing before they see me , I'll decide whether to done my flimsy wrap before passing close or not.

 The light bulb moment when I personally mentally binned the secret label was a major change.  I talked to a few of my gardening clients which resulted in more time naked gardening ...not just when they were away...not worrying if one of the neighbours or the postman etc would catch a glimpse.  Similar change in mindset when out in the woods not worrying about encounters , just a choice of ways to deal with them if it happened.....naked time is more relaxed and more of it.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: A Practical Thinking Website
« on: November 15, 2020, 10:14:39 AM »
With the current law in uk it's often only our own minds that prevent us getting more free range naturist experiences.

Im quite happy to be able to say that over the last 20 odd years I've evolved from a secret naturist into a largely free range one....I do still have self defined limits which are still evolving.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 15, 2020, 10:04:58 AM »
Thursday elon musk took 4 rapid covid tests.... 2 positive 2 negative.    Not been widely reported by mainstream media , but Google it and the reports are out there.
I've seen a report that since he's had several pcr tests but still waiting for results.

Also Google threw up some person I'd never heard of but I assume an actress that tested pos in one nostril and neg in the other

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: November 15, 2020, 10:00:15 AM »
All very good for a secret naturist.   But in rural parts of uk ,and the similar  bits of europe I've been to, largely irrelevant for a confident free range naturist.

If I'm out and about and pass by a wooded area ill stop in a layby beside the road or forestry car park or wherever safe, assess the number of other if any parked up vehicles, maybe check out on a paper map or online on the tablet.  Then just wade in at the deep end.  Using a beach wrap cover up can be instant and I'm not bothered about others knowing I was or still am naked.   
I guess now in the uk and many parts of europe where nudity is not illegal and even dare I say it accepted as such by the population the biggest restriction on our free range ctivities in suitable locations is our own minds.     Once you develope the confidence the opertunities for a naked stroll open up .

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 14, 2020, 09:22:54 AM »
My wife and I have spent the best part of a lifetime interested in health.   With a bias towards complementary therapies.   Since the advent of the internet and search engines it's been far easier to cut the crap and get to the actual facts.
The one thing that's come to be glaringly self evident is that research is usually designed to give the results that the company paying for it wants.    All the way from design of the tests through ignoring some of the results to downright misrepresentation of results.
Then large companies with big p.r. and advertising budgets brainwash , public, governments and health professionals.
Things that immediately come to mind include
Rats fed massive quantities of aspirin ,. To prove it  Causes stomach ulcers.....cos paracetamol is far more profitable. No actual evidence that normal doses on humans causes any problems
Rats specially bred for salt sensitivity used to prove salt causes high blood pressure ....the data from trials on humans that suggests no effect is ignored.
The original data on the Mediterranean diet excluded countries that didn't fit the desired results.
The classic butter is bad , margarine is healthy alternative.
The 5 a day fruit and veg target, invented based on no studies whatsoever.
Even prostrate cancer....people's quality of life ruined by surgery with side effects  based on a number from a blood test that actually means nothing .  Vast majority of the elderly with enlarged prostrate die with it not of it.

Virtually all the healthy diet advice we've been given over the last half a century has originated from big business and based on research that's  been designed to sell something.


I'd almost be willing to bet real money that hancock's announcement last week that vitamin d supplements can boost the immune system to help fight covid gets forgotten cos nobody can make billions from it

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 10, 2020, 09:37:47 AM »
I normally try to present any article from the media without giving my opinion of it,

Today I'm breaking my own rule, I'm doing this from memory without checking spelling or exact figures.

Yesterday we had the breakthrough of the pfitzer vaccine trials. Headline 90 % percent effective.    Of  43000 participants in the trials   94 tested positive for covid infection.   (No mention of severity of infection or if from the alledged 90% false positive pcr test). Of these 90  %  were in the placebo group hence vaccine is the wonder drug.   
Nobody did the reverse math...not stated how big the placebo group were but normal practice is for half the trial....hence out of approx 21500 people regularly tested for covid infection only 86 tested positive..of those 86 it's likely that (going by other published data) 90 odd percent showed no actual symptoms. Leaving 9 that actually showed symptoms    .    Or alternatively 90 percent were false positives leaving 9 infections that only one of showed any symptoms.....So for maybe 9 people  or worse case only 1   showing symptoms out of a group of 21k were all being encouraged to take a rushed poorly tested vaccine,.

You can argue anything with statistics :)

Don't forget this is a vaccine based on new untested principles.    I'll admit family effects of thalidomide maybe skew my personal opinions.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 08, 2020, 09:45:26 AM »
It's difficult to know what to believe at the moment

Yesterday I found a report on metro  on research done by imperial college on behalf of transport for London.  They've been sampling air on underground trains and at stations and swabbing surfaces to assess the level of covid virus and risk of infection in using public transport in London......published results were they couldn't find any covid virus.   

Latest news in daily mail this morning ......hancock has just announced  free vitamin d tablets to elderly and vulnerable.....after locking us in out the sun all summer and denying any link to fit d deficiency

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:48:47 AM »
I guess I'm lucky that I don't have to go into buildings with other people....except the once a week trip to supermarket. Apart from at home with the wife,who works from home and has only been to supermarket twice since March.,.when grandkids birthday cards needed .... I don't have to get close to the odd person I do see.
We're intelligent people , we can use the internet.  We make our own informed decisions about where we go and what precautions we take.
Our only real exceptions to above have been occasional visits to daughter 3hours away...they both work from home so have minimal close contacts.   And since Sept collecting grandkids from school twice a week.

But throughout our biggest risk has-been our daughter in law....she's a primary school teacher.....been teaching nhs workers kids right through from march till August. When her own we're at home with other grandma moved in......chances are they've all had it and not noticed

With lockdown starting again today we'll be doing today's school run....other grandma is moving in this evening so we'll be off duty for the month😊

We are in southwest where current cases are random testing being done so no false positives or asympomatics to be counted as cases.

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:29:20 AM »
October in england it rained almost continuously , I only actually wear a mask when entering a shop.....usually the supermarket once a week. Or if I'm doing dusty work indoors.

Free Range Naturism / Re: TRaveling abroad
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:25:01 AM »
We've holidayed in menorca and more recently fuerteventura, both are spanish islands with nudist beaches and I've had no troubles wandering naked in the countryside on both islands. 

I've also got a brother in law in southern spain, again theres nudist beaches.   when mother in law used to visit for a month or so after xmas id fly out for a long weekend to bring her home. Often got the chance to slip off for a morning  for a walk in nearby countryside.

We stick to spain and spanish islands cos it's close ish , we know the law and natives are tolerent...

.we don't need to explore new cultures, want flights to be shortish and feel that going back to places we know we don't waste time finding our way around.     Car hire in Europe is easy even though they drive on the wrong side of the road😮

General Naturism Discussion / Re: FRN During Lockdowns
« on: November 04, 2020, 08:54:07 AM »
Lock down has been announced from Thursday till first week in December. Not as strict as last time, unlimited outdoor time allowed and schools still open.
We're still allowed to go to work , which as I'm self employed means pretty much whatever and where ever.   Last time they snuck in a bit about mustnt sleep overnight away from home .not seen that mentioned this time.
Daughter lives 3 hours away....not allowed to go for a social visit , but as yet I can't see anything preventing me from going to mow the lawn , or clean the windows etc provided I can show an invoice for the work.....or even go to quote for a project..... It's a case of read the rules and see how to work them.
Same with the stuff we sell on eBay, even if the buyer can't travel to collect we can still deliver add in that there's no restriction on which supermarket we shop at  there's really not to stop us doing what we want to do provided we don't try and socialise with other households.

As too the actual measures ....introducing a lockdown surly is an admission that masks haven't worked.
There's a growing feeling we're all being conned.   Scientists are producing projections bassed on guesswork and false statistics .   The latest deaths projection was based on past deaths from any cause within 60 days of a positive test.   Growing realisation that the tests are meaningless....positive test is actually less than a ten percent chance that you've actually got an infective dose of covid.......even the new fast tests can't distinguish between a current infection and antibodies from an infection months ago.
Hospitals are running at less occupancy than in a normal autumn .
Over 90% of covid deaths have been in the 70 plus age group....we're trashing the small businesses to prolong the lives of a sector that's going to die anyway within the near future.
Flu deaths seem to have dissapeered....they're all being listed as covid
Most other hospital treatments have stopped....more will die of cancer, heart disease etc cos they can't get anything done.
Even WHO say lockdowns cause more deaths than they  save .

In short it's all bollocks

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