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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Surveillance society
« on: September 26, 2019, 07:47:23 AM »
There was no John Lennon in 1789, and there's no John Lennon now. That's because a certain document from that earlier date said that ordinary citizens need to have weapons available.

You say you want a revolution--well, you know. Who are the people with minds that hate?

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Surveillance society
« on: September 23, 2019, 05:27:17 AM »
No no, he's being a rebel. Sticking it to the Man.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked Geocaching
« on: September 21, 2019, 06:04:57 AM »
On the recent Naked European Walking Tour, we visited a famous waterfall called the Johannisfall, which you can see in a picture in my trip report. As we were leaving to head back up the trail (a fair climb, as I recall!) one of the other people, German Martin (not English Martin, who's a member here) asked if anyone had a pen. He said that at the last moment, he'd had the idea that there would be a geocache somewhere near the waterfall, and he'd found it, and he wanted to write a note to place in it. I was the one who actually had a pen that Martin could use, and he turned back to leave the note, then caught up with the rest of the group in a few minutes. He could do this easily enough, as he was the youngest person there!

There's a German website that has a lot of naturist hiking stories, and Martin has posted his experiences there. There's also an English version of the site, and what he says about the Johannisfall visit is "When I was just about to make the ascent back from the waterfall, I thought that a geocache would be a natural thing to find there and, as chance would have it, such was the case. So the "Johannes Waterfall" was transformed into a smiley during the golden hour of late afternoon."

Trip reports / Re: Naked European Walking Tour 2019
« on: September 13, 2019, 05:24:37 AM »
You're asking questions which link up with each other. So far the Naked European Walking Tour has always been in Austria, but we did have some talk about whether it should move to Germany or Spain, for reasons which will become clear! There are in fact far more than a dozen people on these trips, typically somewhere around 30. That limits the number of houses that can be found to hold everyone, and because Austria isn't as liberal in its outlook as Germany, not all owners are willing to rent to a nudist group. But there's a particular story here.

My first NEWT trip was in 2014, and the week started off with Richard Foley, who originated the event, having to take his dog to the vet on account of sore feet. So he missed the first day of walking. But he left the instruction with us: “Just don't be naked when you're on a paved road. Anywhere else being nude should be OK.” So off he went, and we started off on our walk, and soon enough we found ourselves on a paved road, and there wasn't much traffic, and someone decided that maybe being naked wouldn't cause any problems. Pretty soon most of the group was naked, and I'm afraid I was one of them. Well, a few cars did pass by, but nothing seemed to be wrong. The trouble didn't arrive until the evening, and then Richard addressed the group much like God spoke to Adam and Eve: “The one thing I told you not to do, you went straight out and did!” Apparently what happened was that someone passing by saw a group of naked people on the road, and called the police. The police didn't find us, but they asked around in the neighborhhod, and they talked to various people and finally located the owner of the house, and the owner talked to Richard. No, there wasn't a police raid (it's not America) but the message got through. It was a little embarrassing, but it seemed to be ended with that one day.

Now forward to 2019. Our organizer was having trouble finding a house to rent, and he had the idea of going back to the place we rented in 2014. And to avoid awkward discussion, he didn't tell the owner that we were a nudist group. Well, the owner got one look at a few of the first people to arrive, and he got pretty annoyed (I got this from hearsay--I wasn't an early arrival). He said, “Oh, you're those people from 5 years ago, the ones who embarrassed me with the town council! Well, I don't want you going naked around the house!” And apparently he also said “I can't control what you do away from the house”, which didn't make much sense since it was behavior away from the house that led to the trouble before, but anyway, he was telling us to behave ourselves on his property. And so that's why Roland, and all the rest of us, wore clothes in the house. And it's also why there was discussion about whether NEWT should happen in some country other than Austria.

Now aren't you glad you asked?

Trip reports / Naked European Walking Tour 2019
« on: September 10, 2019, 03:54:50 AM »
Rather than stretch this out over multiple episodes as I've done before, I'm just posting a selection of pictures in a single group. I hope it's clear that this was another excellent trip!

Nothing very remarkable here, but it was the first time people started getting their clothes off!

That's Martin, our youngest member. Always cheerful! He also likes to say, “It takes an Easterner to get it right!” (Meaning the former East Germany.)

Hans-Juergen demonstrates something I never expected to see again—a guy changing the film in his camera.

This is the place where we undressed as we climbed away from the cafe, and some rude children kept shouting "Hose an! Hose an!" which means "Pants on!" They had loud voices and we heard them for a long time.

Milt likes to slide down snow slopes. He sits on a coat that he probably doesn't use for much else.

Roland explains our next day's hike.

Approaching a cafe where people were sitting outdoors, we put on our most colorful clothes. Notice that English Martin goes barefoot everywhere.

Martin counted us in German and Pascal counted in French. If they hadn't agreed, there would have been a count in English!

Is Jane rubbing Nick's back with snow, or a rock??

At the Johannisfall.

Clarisse came in to find the house full of smoke and a crisis to deal with before she even took her pack off!


Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: September 03, 2019, 04:24:05 AM »
JBG, that is indeed the spirit that we should all be filled with. I'm not basically as bold as you are, but if I don't expect to get into trouble then I wouldn't hurry to hide behind fabric. Once you get a little used to it, meeting people when you're naked just isn't a big deal any more. But being with friends certainly adds a lot to one's level of courage!

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 29, 2019, 11:56:21 PM »
I assume that's "Secret Naturist". It was a discussion group that some people here remember affectionately, but as it was adults only I never joined.

Suggestions / Re: Uh oh!
« on: August 29, 2019, 11:48:32 PM »
Oh, good grief. Must we have this here?

Well, we can all be glad that we're Free Range Naturists, and not interested in those places where you can take your clothes off but still end up wearing gates and fences.

The rule at the Bare Oaks resort in Ontario is that they give a discount to couples, but couples can be any two people: you and your dear spouse, you and your gay lover, you and your best buddy, even you and a stranger who've arranged to meet outside the gate and never saw each other before. They used to have a rule saying they might insist on gender balance, but after never invoking it for a few years, they dropped it. If a place is limited to couples, I wonder if it's a partner-swapping place. Though there's a couples-only resort in New Hampshire, and it's very strict about conduct.

Yes, there are male-only resorts, but I'm sure nobody goes except gay guys. But some of us have got in the habit of doing a lot of naturist activities with male friends, typically married guys whose wives aren't interested. See most of my trip reports here! It works out fine, in fact knowing who'll be there probably reassures some of the stay-at-home wives.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 19, 2019, 03:52:33 PM »
Thread drift reaches its logical conclusion. Or rather, continuation, since a circle has no end.

BlueTrain, you're up next. The topic is geometry.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 15, 2019, 11:43:20 PM »
Sorry, for some reason that address won't function as a URL when you just click on it. It seems to be OK if you copy the text and paste it into a browser address bar. It starts off like this:

DSM-5 Category: Paraphilic Disorders

The American Psychiatric Association (APA) classifies the condition of Exhibitionistic Disorder as a mental health illness that centers on a need to expose one’s genitals to other people. The audience of this type of behavior is usually unsuspecting strangers; the result is sexual satisfaction for the exhibitionist. Exhibitionistic Disorder is classified under the larger category of Paraphilic Disorders. The term paraphilia refers to an intense sexual interest outside of normal genital stimulation. The majority of exhibitionists are males; and those with the disorder may deliberately arrange to be observed while having sex with other people. The behavior may be deliberate or unconscious; and the disorder may begin to manifest in the late teens or early adulthood. The DSM-5 does indicate that although all people with exhibitionistic disorder have a pattern of sexual conduct called exhibitionism, not all exhibitionists qualify for this diagnosis (American Psychiatric Association, 2013). The DSM-5 clarifies and emphasizes that the definition for exhibitionistic disorder is separate from the definition for exhibitionism as a general pattern of behavior (Zucker, 2013).

Possibly the last couple of sentences could be confusing--"exhibitionistic disorder" as opposed to "exhibitionism as a general pattern of behavior". I'm not smart enough to sort that out.

Introductions / Re: Transitioning from IYNO
« on: August 15, 2019, 11:08:51 PM »
Just having a little fun, without trying to be in yo face about it.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: August 15, 2019, 08:24:31 PM »
I believe that men who say exhibitionism is harmless need to hear about it from a woman. As with a fair number of male behaviors, actually.

JBG, that statement about how "DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) no longer diagnoses exhibitionism and voyeurism as disorders" seemed unlikely to me, so I looked it up. I think you may have this wrong:

They mention "Transvestic Disorder" too. Do any of us need to worry?

Introductions / Re: Transitioning from IYNO
« on: August 15, 2019, 04:44:06 PM »
Being in denial could be bad for a naturist. You have to watch out for da crocodiles.

And as for IYNO:

Yes, I know what it really is!

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: August 13, 2019, 06:57:39 PM »
JMF, sorry that we missed you while you were away. Annecy was a very nice city and we enjoyed it a lot, but the lakefront wasn't friendly to naturism. Also our one full day there was cool and rainy, but it added "atmosphere" to a walk around the old town!

Apart from that missed connection, July wasn't a bad month. I'll start a new thread about the Naked European Walking Tour.

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