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One of the reasons why public nudity is legal in the UK is the weather. It is usually too cold and too wet that, although legal, it is rarely practised which means that it remains an activity of a tiny minority and therefore not a problem.

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I have been a naturist in one form or another for most of my life. I totally accept the concerns that some people have and by trying to fit around them whilst, at the same time, not keeping my naturist activities a secret, I do what I want and let them know it is happening. Familiarity begets education.

Over the years, hundreds of people have seen me naked from a distance. Far fewer have seen me close up but, when they have, it is no big deal, I make no secret that I am naked and simply wrap a sauna kilt around me if needed.  Fewer still know me well and walk with me chatting, me naked, them clothed. In my time, I have had very few negative comments.

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The F. C. estates covers large areas of Scotland. As a member of the public I have the right to responsible access and as a naturist I have the Procurator Fiscal's guidance.

I recently wrote Phil Whitfield of the F.C. asking for their policy on nude walkers on their estates. He responded positively as follows:

1. Me to F. C.
I am writing regarding the above in order to clarify the policy of F. C. Scotland with regards to naturism, in particular, naturist walking on your estates.

As you are aware, with the right to responsible access, people are walking over huge areas of Scotland including those owned by F. C. Scotland. In April 2018, the Crown Prosecution Service issued guidelines covering England and Wales that clarified the position regarding public nudity.

Essentially, the guidelines state that, subject to there being no sexual element, being nude whilst pursuing a lawful activity is not illegal. A range of lawful activities were provided as examples including activities in the garden, on beaches and walking outdoors. I understand that these guidelines have been embraced by F. C. England and that one of the rangers in Sherwood Forest England provides advice on the matter to F. C. England.

In Scotland, the Procurator Fiscal and Police have also adopted these guidelines subject to there being no sexual element and that the naturist has not INTENDED to cause fear and alarm. This development, has been subject to extensive conversations and emails with the Deputy Chief Constable of Police Scotland and the organisation British Naturism. You will have noticed that there were many reports this year of New Year's day skinny dipping and Edinburgh's participation in the World Nude Bike Ride will see full nudity for the first time. This is on the back of Dunoon's "The Gathering" which has always conducted itself properly and with the support of the local Police.

With these changes now in place and with the support of Police Scotland, can you clarify the position of F. C. Scotland is regarding naturism on your estates.

Regards
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2. F. C. to me
Dear Garry

Thanks very much for your enquiry and I hope you can accept my sincere apologies for the delayed reply.

Weíve not sought a legal opinion on the status of naturism in Scotland although I have read the CPS guidance for England and Wales: As an organisation, we would take a common-sense view on the matter and leave legal issues to others.

For members of the public, responsibly accessing the land we manage, under the Scottish Outdoor Access Code, we only require that everyone respects their rights and responsibilities under the Code.

Should a naturist group wish to run an event, just as any other group, permission might be required and details on how to apply can be found on this page: https://scotland.forestry.gov.uk/managing/get-involved/permissions-and-permits#sportingevent.

Permission would not be reasonably withheld and Iím sure our staff would refer to the guidance above, along with taking a local view from Police Scotland.

I hope thatís helpful.

Best wishes
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3. Me to F. C.
Dear Phil,

Many thanks for your reply. I can understand the difficulty in obtaining information regarding my enquiry as naturism has only recently benefited from clear guidance and, apart from the "go to" female ranger in Sherwood Forest, it isn't easy to find a path through the legislation and Procurator Fiscal guidelines. For easy reading, I have attached the simplified versions of the guidance as created by British Naturism (bn.org.uk). BN is the main naturist body in the UK and liaise with the Governments and other bodies on all things naturism.

I tend to walk either on my own or with one or two friends rather than a large group starting at Balkello Community Woodlands and then on to land owned by Strathmore Estates. I walk virtually every weekday though never at weekends as the area is used more heavily and I have no wish to offend anyone. I usually arrive at 7:30am and, if there are no other cars in the car park I will walk a couple of hundred yards before disrobing. If there are cars in the car park and I know the owners usual routes then I will only disrobe at a point past these routes. If I don't know the cars then I will walk clothed until I reach the Strathmore Estate which is entirely moorland with very few walkers. At all times, I carry a wrap around sauna kilt which, thanks to Velcro, takes just seconds to put on.

This type of respectful behavior is how I have always conducted myself and is similar to the vast majority of other naturists I have met and talked with. None of us wish to cause offence and I have had very few negative comments from the many people I have bumped into over the years. Most people will either smile benignly, giggle or make comments such as "that looks very relaxing" or "you're brave" (a common comment as I often walk in temperatures as low as minus 2c).

I hope that the above reassures you.

Regards
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4. F. C. to me
Hi Gary

Thatís really helpful. The guides youíve sent here and the description of your own personal approach, really help us to understand naturism and will make it easier for our staff to consider these issues in future.

Thanks very much. Best wishes
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The F. C. estates covers huge areas of Scotland. From the tone of their comments I suspect that this is the first time they have been approached on the matter. They certainly seem to be reasonably positive so fingers crossed for the future.

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Why is public nudity illegal?
« on: February 23, 2019, 09:00:51 PM »
Thanks all for the explanations. They make sense.

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Why is public nudity illegal?
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:37:54 PM »
I usually have two thoughts when looking at nude male statues. Why are genitals so small and why are they mainly uncircumcised.

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It gets a little better too. I have received a response back from the Forestry Commission Scotland regarding naturists on their estates. Positive so far, I am waiting for clarification on a couple of points.

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Nudes in the news
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:27:30 AM »
I do love the US view of small Government and freedom from Government. Well, I dont really as it can be the only safety net some people have. I do like the self reliance bit. I am all for taxes and benefits but would hate to be the recipient.

In the UK we do have the National Health Service which is generally free at the point of need. I dont think anyone would go back to the bad old days.

Definitely a case of thread drift

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Weather
« on: February 12, 2019, 02:17:57 AM »
I love walking in the snow whilst naked (with boots on of course). So often the reflected sun is warming. I was on an advanced winter hill walking skills course recently but was clothed. The kilt is brilliantly warm and one of the few occasions in the UK when you can legally carry a weapon (a sgiandhu).

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Nighttime naturism
« on: February 10, 2019, 10:39:02 AM »
Lol. I have been crept up on by them as i walk across roads on my hikes. Tomorrow i expect to be doing a 16 mile walk naked. I will have to cross a couple of small country lanes so i will keep an eye as well as an ear open.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Nighttime naturism
« on: February 09, 2019, 09:48:58 PM »
Damn technology. With the growing popularity of electric vehicles we may not be able to hear them coming :-)

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Free Range Naturism / Re: What's your temperature?
« on: February 09, 2019, 01:12:39 AM »
As a keen naked hill walker in Scotland i have to understand the weather for safety. Wind chill and water are killers.

I walk naked four or five times a week for three or four hours at a time and my body has become more hardy than many but i still need to be careful.

For most of this winter i have been walking in minus 2c perfectly ok and enjoying especially when the occasional burst of the sun rays breaks through. I understand that the skin starts to freeze at minus 4c which is where wind chill makes such a difference.

I have misjudged the cold on a couple of occasions and finished up with a chilled bladder. The symptons include "must pee" moments where you have virtually no notice that you have to go. And when you do go it is extremely painful. This can last for 24 hours or more.

Hypothermia kills so you must be careful.

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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Weather
« on: February 09, 2019, 12:51:25 AM »
For much of this winter i have been walking naked for three hours or so in minus 2c temperatures. The body does get used to it. I walk the hills four or five times a week and have only been clothed four times in many months.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Fear of nudity
« on: February 07, 2019, 02:34:10 PM »
Just away to get dressed and run off to work.

1. Clothes are required because it is cold and not everyone lives in sunny climes. Age affects the amount of heat required and nothing can be done about that and until recently, central heating was unheard off for the masses.

2. Why is the female nude and the male covered.Sexism rules ok in places.

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Free Range Naturism / Re: New converts to FRN
« on: January 14, 2019, 11:55:02 PM »
Naked hiking and swimming is something i have done ever since i was a youngster. I have been out walking the Sidlaws naked for five of the last seven days. This morning me and a couple of lads i know went for a naked hike lasting a few hours. I will be walking by myself tomorrow morning

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Free Range Naturism / Re: One of my local walks
« on: January 06, 2019, 12:34:42 PM »
A number of posts in this thread have mentioned the "right to roam". In Scotland, we do not have the right to roam, we have the right to responsible access. There is no law of trespass.

The right to responsible access means that we can, and do, walk everywhere including the Queen's estates. I will walk my working Cocker spaniel through the grouse butts on a lead when they are ground nesting. I will divert my route when shooters are about (a handful of days a year).

Recognise that other people have the right to go about there business and most people will get along fine.

Gary

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