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Free Range Naturism / Re: Encounters...what to do?
« on: December 19, 2013, 06:04:53 PM »
A sports analogy occurred to me while reading the introduction from a Scottish member.   Scotland doesn't have specific anti-nude laws, but the plods respond to complaints about nudity.  It reminds me of my local football team, the Seattle Seahawks.   They have perhaps the best defensive backfield of any American football team. 

The Seahawk backfield plays tough aggressive defense and makes a lot of contact with the other players.  Early in the season the referees penalized them several times for overly aggressive defensive play.  Their coach told them, "Keep doing it.  The referees will soon get tired of penalizing you."   That strategy worked well.  Now the referees penalize them once or twice in a game and then give up.  In the whole league now the referees have become much less interested in limiting aggressive defense by penalties.   

That works for naked ramblers too.  If we keep going naked the referees, the police, will soon get tired of coming out to look for a naked rambler. Its a lot of work for them and doesn't really make anyone more safe.  Up-tight people will soon get tired of phoning the police when they see a naked rambler, even if the police respond, and a lot sooner if the police have given up.  We naked ramblers need to keep doing it.  The other hikers will soon get tired of complaining and just accept us as normal. The police will quit responding to complaints, even in up-tight places like Scotland.   Carpe Diem!


Free Range Naturism / Re: Encounters...what to do?
« on: December 19, 2013, 05:51:10 PM »
Over several decades I have encountered many people while hiking naked.   My first thing is to have a plan before I see someone.  My years of childhood training still causes me to panic unless I have a plan to do something else.

The situation is important.  Law enforcement is lazy and normally won't get out of its patrol car.  I have never encountered law enforcement on a hiking trail on government land.  I have encountered many other hikers.  My usual plan is to act like my selection of non-clothes is a normal option by a  normal person.  I have found that if you try to "cover," apologize,  or otherwise act guilty, then the other person assumes that you are guilty.   If you act normal, then you are accepted as normal.  The important thing is to remain calm and ordinary.  I just "howdy" them like I would if I was wearing the same as they are wearing.  Most often they howdy me back. Sometimes they will comment on how they wish they had the courage to dress like me.  Teens will occasionally snicker. 

Out on my own land I have been seen by all my neighbors, and by many cars driving by on the country road.  Nobody has ever complained. 

Carpe Diem

General Naturism Discussion / The Naked Anthropologist
« on: November 18, 2013, 03:01:29 PM »

Spokane, WA, USA, defeats proposed anti-nudity city law:

Despite having about 60 moral advocates who whined that seeing a body was "assault" on them, the City council defeated the proposal 4 to 2.  Wisdom won today.  But the anti-nude folks probably won't give up. 

This law was motivated by coffee baristas appearing in scanty outfits and having top free Tuesday.  Note that the law would have prohibited all nudist activity throughout the city. 

In general its probably good for nudists and naturists to have baristas working partly naked and having a public discussion about prohibiting nudity.  Nudity won.  We are back to the state law which allows nudity as long as there is no intent to cause alarm or confrontation with someone.  Coffee sellers are conducting lawful business and are legal.  So, it would seem, are other naked people.


SPOKANE, Wash. -- The Spokane City Council will discuss a proposed ordinance that would make unlawful public exposure a criminal misdemeanor on Monday night.

The ordinance is in response to the ongoing controversy surrounding nearly nude baristas according to Spokane leaders. People who are opposed to the nearly nude baristas argue that children and others who do not want to see their exposed bodies cannot avoid it.
"It probably wouldn't stop here, you know, if ordinances are being passed that quickly and easily. I don't see why it couldn't go any further than that," said Sarah Birnel, the owner of XXXtreme Expresso.
According to city documents, there is currently no separate charge in the Spokane Municipal Code for unlawful public exposure. The new, proposed ordinance would create a separate charge designated as unlawful public exposure, which would still be a criminal misdemeanor.

The ordinance also defines the boundaries of unlawful public exposure. The exact ordinance reads:
""Unlawful public exposure" means the exposure of any of the following body parts of the person without a full and opaque covering in other than a public place provided or set apart for nudity:
 1.Any part of the male or female genitals, pubic hair, pubic area, perineum, anus, or bottom one-half of the anal cleft;
2.Any part of the areola or nipple of the female breast;, or
3.More than one-half of the part of the female breast located below the top of the areola."
It does not apply to exposure for scientific, cultural, or educational purposes, expression that is protected by the federal or state constitution, children younger than ten, or an exposed female breast for nursing purposes.


Posted on October 1, 2013 at 12:22 AM
SPOKANE -- Spokane City Council decided Monday night to reject the idea of putting restrictions on barely nude baristas.  They voted 4 to 2 against the ordinance.
More than 60 people signed up to speak at city council.  Most of them who showed up were protesters.  When the decision was made on rejecting the ordinance, they were so upset they stormed out of the room.
The city council decided not pass the ordinance for two reasons: One, there is currently a lack of resources to enforce the ordinance.  The second reason is because they said it is hard to determine what is appropriate and what is not for everyone in the community.
The owner of the Triple X Espresso stands also spoke.  She said her business is not adult entertainment.  She said she was thrilled about the news and plans on taming the business down.  She said she will rename it Bare Beans.
City leaders said if the concerns of nearly nude baristas continue, they might revisit the issue down the road.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked cycling
« on: September 25, 2013, 03:46:26 PM »
The town I live near has a bicycle path that formerly was a railroad line.   The 4.5 miles east of town is paved and popular for bike riders and walkers.  The entire path belongs to our State Parks department and goes about a hundred miles, but only about 25 miles is maintained, and all but 4.5 miles is loose deep gravel not very suitable for bicycles.

Most of it is out in the farm and ranch land so you never meet anyone else.  I have walked almost 20 miles of the trail naked, one section at a time.  I wanted to cover the whole trail naked, so I got an idea that I could ride a bicycle naked near town and be gone before anyone who saw me phoned the police.  In our state it is "not a crime" to be naked in a state park, but instead it is a "civil offense" like a traffic ticket.  A park enforcement person could give a "ticket" for being naked, but I figured that wasn't likely. 

On a warm sunny morning I rode my bicycle from  one trail access parking lot near to the other one.  Then I took off my shirt and shorts and rode naked back to where my car was parked.  It felt really good to have the sunshine and breeze on my whole body, not clothes restricting my movement.  I passed probably a dozen walkers and a couple of bike riders on the trail. I don't mind being seen naked as long as I don't get arrested.  It doesn't hurt them to see a human being either.  I put my shorts on about a hundred yards from the parking in case anyone had summoned a police, but I needn't have bothered.   Life was good. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: Urinating while naked in free range areas
« on: September 14, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
The rest of the waste process is off topic; I assume. Well, Likewise Milfmog. I just am that way. And bury it deep.

Not near water and never uphill. Cattle do that. Their dumb.

The US Forest Serivce publishes a little advice for depositing waste in the woods.  They point out that only the top few inches is biologiclly active.  Burying waste "deep" below the biological layer is therefore not recommended by the US Forest service.  They recommend burrying solid waste shallow, in the bio layer of soil.  Its gone in a week.

Migrating herds of cattle have been observed to be important for maintaining grasslands.  Mashing down the grass into a mat helps to hold moisture and prevent desertification, and the bio waste also helps the grass. 

Some bovine left a couple of large plops on my regular walking path last week.  I don't normally have cattle on my land, and I didn't see that one.  Have to always watch your step, even on the path, and especially when walking barefoot.  The other critters seem to use my path more than I do, and aren't so careful where they deposit.  I've heard that coyotes do it in the middle of the path on purpose. 

Photography / Re: What equipment do you use?
« on: September 12, 2013, 11:21:35 PM »
Yea, Davie. It is getting more difficult to find a reasonable camera with a viewfinder. These TV screens reflect glare, blinding me. I don't know what I'm shooting. Also, I have to hold it out, unbalancing me and making for jigglys. It is more difficult to get in tight. I can't see all the details in those little TV scenes anyway, even in review. When we were looking for a camera for my girlfriend, it was difficult to find one with a viewfinder, unless it was big dollar.

My old Kodak has a digital view finder.  It solves many of the problems mentioned.   Its usually easier to use than the little 3 inch video screen, especially in sunshine.   None of the new pocket cameras seem to have that, at least not so I've noticed. 

And I'm questioning the need for more than 6 MB photos.  My old camera is usually set on 1.5 because the big pictures are too big for posting on-line.   Some new cameras advertise more than 20 MB.  Is that just a sales gimmick?


Introductions / Re: ravenrider saying hello
« on: September 12, 2013, 02:46:36 PM »
They are often seen naked upstairs after showers, in the morning, etc, but don't see the point of staying naked.

A better question would be, what is the point of wearing clothes?    We have all been trained from birth to support the textile business.  We are afraid of our own selves. 

Welcome Ravenrider. 


Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked Geocaching
« on: September 12, 2013, 01:20:15 AM »
This morning I went back to the Salvin Conservation Area to enjoy the day and look for another Geocache.   Two horse trailers were in the parking lot when I arrived, but the horsies were just finishing their ride, and were loading the horses while I left the parking lot.  A few minutes and I was over the little hill so off came my shorts.

This Cache was on the west side of the lake opposite from the parking.  I tried following the trail around the north end of the lake.  The farther I got the more the trail faded out.  Soon I was more than knee deep in weeds and thistle.  I eventually got out across a fence into a field of alfalfa on private land.  That was no picnic, but at least better than the Conserved weeds.  After crossing the field I came to another fence on the west side of the lake, and found the trail again.  It ended at the fence. 

Soon I found the cache, took a couple photos, and then headed back around the south end of the lake.  Trails weren't well marked and I took a wrong turn a couple times, but in less than 3 miles I had been out preserving my nature for almost 3 hours.  One car was in the lot when I returned, so I put on my shorts again.  Sad.  Then I drove home naked.  Carpe Diem!


Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked Geocaching
« on: September 11, 2013, 07:49:25 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the Etrex is supported by the site. Typically, when going out caching I will download a number of caches to the unit (maybe as many as a couple of hundred) so entering them manually is quite a task.

You talked me into trying the download feature, Ian.   Upon looking at my Etrex it has some kind of weird connector, not the usual USB connector.  I must have once had a matching cable because several years ago I loaded local maps from my CD.  Now I have to find what I did with the cable when we moved here from Albuquerque about 8 years ago.  Maybe I still have it.   I'll let you know if I find the cable and it works.


Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked Geocaching
« on: September 10, 2013, 08:14:14 PM »

To date I have logged a total of 676 naked finds, roughly a third of my total to date.

OUTSTANDING!     A couple years ago i found all the caches within 10 miles of here.  About 10.   Now I'm going farther out.

As a matter of curiosity, you referred to programming your GPS after you got to the reserve rather than downloading the co-ordinates direct from the PC into the GPS. What equipment are you using? Is it not supported by the geocaching website?
Have fun,

I have an older Garmin Etrex.   I bought it when REI was asking $400 for them.  The new ones are lots less expensive and more capability now.   I paid an extra $100 for a disk with a whole US map, and my Garmin will only hold a piece at a time.   I actually haven't tried the download feature on the Geocaching site.  It probably would work.  I've been printing the maps and hints to bring along.  New high tech folks probably can use their Iphone to access the Geocache site from the woods, but I'm not that high tech.  Actually, doesn't an Iphone do the GPS as well as the web site?   I just punch in the coordinates and off I go. 

Yesterday i found that my Garmin was set for degrees and decimal degrees, the HughesNet and Direct TV standard.  I had to figure out again how to change it to degrees, minutes, and seconds which is the Geocaching standard.  I was busy converting its units from digital to minutes and seconds when the dog lady came by. 

Having fun naked!

Free Range Naturism / Urinating while naked in free range areas
« on: September 10, 2013, 06:08:05 PM »
Karla posted the following comment on another topic.  It perhaps could lead to a discussion on its own topic.

On thinking about it, I've also been surprised at how comfortable the Germans are with urinating in public places compared to the Brits (although some Brits do it just as often but mainly when drunk).

I've never been to Germany or the UK so I really can't comment about how comfortable the locals are in those places.  I have read that its common for people to piss in public parks in German cities. 

In the US, the cops will often arrest men for pissing in public.  The charge is "indecent exposure" which translates as exposing his penis while he urinated.  I don't recall seeing a news story about a man being charged for urination, just for penis exposure.  A lot of US cops and cities are quite up-tight about being naked in cities. 

Personally, I've become more casual, especially when naked.  I don't mind stepping off to the side of the path and watering a bush.  Its natural recycling and good nutrients for plants. 

A few years ago I belonged to a regular nudist club, one that did not have their own resort.  I found that none of the rest of the members would ever urinate in public or within sight of each other even when on an infrequent nude hike.  Human bodies may be "natural" but body functions are kept hidden.   Very few US nudist parks have common toilet facilities for men and women, although a few do. 

I'm curious about how other Free Range Naturists feel about urination while on naturist hikes, walks, or activities?  Do naked people you hike with or travel with feel comfortable urinating by the side of the path within sight of the rest of the group?  Do you?  Is it done or not done?  What do you say?

General Naturism Discussion / Body Decorations, Tats, Piercings, Ornaments
« on: September 10, 2013, 03:15:47 PM »
I've had my nipples pierced for close to 20 years.  When I first started wearing nipple rings some nudist "factory farm" places outlawed body jewelry although ear piercings were allowed.   By now body jewelry has become more common and acceptable in most places.  One of my old friends has a pierced cock through which he wears a large ring, and often other dangles from the first ring.  My wife has tats, but I don't.  I thought I would start a topic for body decorations, tats, piercings, and other body ornamentation.

Historically, every human culture from the most primitive tribes and clans to the most modern civilizations have ornamented their bodies in some way or other.  Various kinds of body tats, piercings, or modifications have sometimes been an identification with the tribe or culture, like long neck rings of some Asian women.

Last year I noticed that many young men are now wearing metal or leather rings on their scrotum or penis, in addition to the genital piercings.  I found that the cock rings are sold at, so I ordered one up and lately I have been wearing 2 or 3 cock/scrotum rings for decorations when hiking free range naked.  No tats, just the shiny metal nipple rings and now cock/scrotum rings.  And of course my hat.

What do you other folks wear when free range?  Are you decorated?  Do you wear jewelry of any sort?  Do you have tattoos?

Photography / Re: What equipment do you use?
« on: September 10, 2013, 02:59:55 PM »
I have a 10 year old Kodak digital with a fairly large lens, but not a detachable lens.  Its too big to fit into a pocket, but for its day it did fairly well because of the larger lens.   I've been looking at some of the  newer pocket cameras.  My old Kodak needs replacing.  Here is a sample photo I took yesterday.   A little zoom, hand held. 

Free Range Naturism / Naked Geocaching
« on: September 10, 2013, 02:51:22 PM »
Today I went out to the Salvin Conservation Area which is about 25 miles from here.  I figured that a Nature Conservation Area would be the perfect place for some Naturist time.  Before I left I looked up the Geocache web site and found that a bunch of geocaches are within the Nature Conservancy, so I printed one out, grabbed my shorts and headed out.

I arrived at the parking about 11:30 AM to find that 2 cars were in the lot.  One woman and a dog were leaving the parking area.  The first 1/4 mile was wide open field, formerly a wheat field from the looks of what is growing there now.  The parking lot was gravel but the trail was dirt so I just went barefoot with shorts.  MAP

After about 50 yards the trail forks so I chose the westward path.  I hadn't gotten 10 more yards when a woman with a dog hailed me to ask if I had seen some kind of wild flower.  Maybe she just wanted to start a conversation.  I replied that it was my first time there so I hadn't seen any of the flowers.  She insisted that I should choose the other path, so I did.  It went more directly to a woods area.  I could see that she went back to her car with her dog before I got to the woods.  A little way into the woods I stopped by a fallen log to program my GPS into locating the Geocache.  I was punching in data when another woman came by with another dog, also headed toward the parking lot.   That makes 2, I thought, all of them.

As soon as the 2nd woman was out of sight, off came my shorts.  I hiked another 3/4 mile to the Geocache location while conserving naturism  I spent some time finding and documenting my find, and then climbed a small hill overlooking the lake.  It was a beautiful sunny day, about 75 degrees with not much wind.  I took a few photos of the lake and the ducks.  I decided to loop around the other way going back.

After I got back to the open fields I could see some houses in the distance, and a bicycle riding on a distant road.  I kept conserving nature through the field until I climbed a rise near the parking lot and saw two men had arrived and were taking the other path, the one I had taken going out.  Well, I'm almost back anyway, so I put on the shorts and went back to my car.  Then drove home naked. 

Perhaps in a few days or weeks I can go back and find the other Geocaches at that Nature Conservancy.  There are several.

Naturist Bob with the Geocache.  Found it.  I can post this much naturism on the Geocache web site.  At least another guy named Nudecacher does.   

Naturist Bob standing near the Geocache location.

Naturist Bob looking out from the hill top.

Some ducks on the lake.

An old boat on the lake.

The north end of the lake with some houses across the fields.

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