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Free Range Naturism / Re: Backpacker Magazine is Onboard
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:52:58 PM »
Naked hiking is good.  Glad that Backpacking Mag supports naked.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:50:54 PM »
I remember visiting Shangra la  North of Phoenix for a week in the 80's. It was a birthday gift for me. People were very warm and helpful who lived there through the week. On my B-day, they through a surprise Birthday gathering for with a cake. Twenty or so, sang Happy B-day to me all in Birthday suits.

One time around 1990 I had a business trip to Phoenix so I rented a room at Shangra La.  Nice to get the government to pay for a nude night, I thought. 
It was a mid week night.  I was the only person there as near as I could tell, except the management couple who stayed in their cabin.  One Member's cabin had high chain link fence around it with "No Trespassing" signs.  Apparently there was some kind of feud among their membership.  I didn't find any of those "warm and helpful" people.  I didn't find any people at all.  Pretty much lonely and boring, even naked. 

My experience at factory farm nudism is that most of the regulars are only there on weekends, except (maybe) a few who stay in their cabins/homes and don't mix with visitors in mid-week.  The night I was there at Shangra La, they had a lot of lightning and rain, but not cold rain, so I got naked and wet. 


Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:43:11 PM »
We have been having colder than average weather so my nude outside has been limited.

Free Range Naturism / Re: A New Poll
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:42:28 PM »
Polls usually have a biased sample.   A poll on nude hiking likely attracts more "voters" who are interested in nude hiking. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: April 02, 2021, 07:10:58 PM »
I find a better social group at a remote hot springs or swimming hole than at a landed facility.  ~Safebare

Me too.  And the other half of my experience is that most landed nudist places I've visited didn't have very many people there on weekdays at all.   Numerous times when I took my family we were the only people in the place.  Sometimes there were a few permanent residents who kept to their cabins or caravans.  Better on weekends, but still lonely and boring much of the time.   I suppose it's better at big destination resorts.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: March 31, 2021, 04:31:02 PM »
That said, I have never been keen on being in a club (in the unlikely event they would have me as a single male) because the point of going to a CO club is merely to hang around and waste time in order to be naked.  I wouldn't do that clothed.  John

True.  That hanging around wasting time to be naked is another word for BORING.  We need to push freedom of being naked in our daily lives.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked on the lave fields
« on: March 28, 2021, 03:39:30 PM »
Was the fine powered sand hot by that time? I've heard of Mt. Vesuvius victims dying of a gas and then buried in the ash. People around St. Helens had trouble breathing. Same stuff?
Loved the movie with Art Carney. Jbee

Not hot.  Just fine sand composed of fine glass like dust and sharp pieces.  Where I was living we only got about 1/4 inch total covering everything.  We were about 150 miles away so it had cooled off by the time it got to us, and any large lumps had fallen out of the dust cloud.  Still the fine sand and dust was horribly abrasive and long term bad for lungs.  I collected a jar of it which my wife ended up with after her divorce.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: March 28, 2021, 03:31:59 PM »
It doesn't take long to get used to being seen, if it happens frequently enough on one hike. It feels liberating and bold to set of intending to grasp my human rights, but there is that conditioning that can still linger, like a knee jerk. It has been trippy standing watching my reactions inside, as I stand without letting my conditioned chains control. There are some powerful inhibitions in there, but not enough to imprison, once my mind was set on not allowing it. Most of the hassle is in the anticipation, the anxiety, but once in the situation, there are other social reflexes at play, too.

Exactly.  Conditioning as a young child before we were old enough to understand that we were being trained is almost impossible to forget.  I've been going naked and being seen naked for decades but I still get panic attacks when I'm about to be seen again.  It is a conditioned "knee jerk" reaction.   When I take off my clothes I tell myself that my PLAN is to be seen naked.  I think of the "howdy" or "good morning" or "good afternoon," etc. that I'm going to say,  And even then I still get twinges of knee jerk "run and hide" reaction.  Then I remember that my decision and my PLAN is to be seen, and I carry on naked.

Part of being naked for me is acceptance of myself as a human person, just me, without pretense of clothing and style.  After nude encounters that almost always go well, I find that it gives me some kind of deep psychological affirmation.  That helps me overcome the knee jerk panic for the next encounter. 

I tell people that they have to have a plan to be seen naked or they will panic and hide or cover, or apologize. There isn't time to make a plan out on the trail when you come around the corner and there the other person is. Plan to be seen naked first.  In truth, if you decide to go out into the world naked you have already decided to be seen naked, and you will be seen naked sooner or later.  I still get the conditioned knee jerk, but I usually overcome and carry on naked.


Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: March 27, 2021, 06:13:35 PM »
I wish I was bold enough just to brazen it out like you two guys do.  No use saying "Well why don't you?"  I've been there many times.  Just can't not err on the side of caution when others around.

All our childhood training is hard to overcome.  We still fear that some horrible fate will befall us, usually mother's disapproval from when we were 3.  Its deep psychological conditioning and takes a strong effort to overcome. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked on the lave fields
« on: March 27, 2021, 06:10:25 PM »
Yea, Bob, it just wouldn't have been the same to pose nude when Mt. St. Helens erupted.  ;D

My experience with Mt. St. Helens was a big dark cloud of sand raining on us.  We didn't know what it was at first, and it was pretty scary to experience.  And that was about 150 miles away as the crow flies.  We went into our house and hoped that the sand didn't get too heavy for our roof.  Then we got news reports that it was getting into car engines and grinding them up.  The sand/dust was fine glass shards and almost immediately overloaded and got through normal car air filters.  It was also somewhat radioactive at first. 

Going naked in the ash would not have been a problem, but a real dust mask was needed.  You didn't want to breathe that dust. Those silly "covid" masks would not have helped much.  The next day, after the dust settled, we watered our lawns, hosed off the sidewalks, and the city began some street washing. 

Hawaii and Iceland have volcanoes with slow moving melted rock lava, not the explosive high altitude sand kind.   Getting close to hot lava would keep you warm while naked, and there isn't any dust to get in your lungs.  It mostly flows slowly so you can easily keep ahead of the lava on foot.  I liked the guy who grilled a hot dog on the lava.

Free Range Naturism / Re: Naked on the lave fields
« on: March 26, 2021, 01:59:02 PM »
"A festival is not a true festival unless someone gets naked," adds Niman.

I can't argue with that from the Iceland volcano.    I have gotten naked in front of hundreds of clothed people at a festival.  Not at a lava field because we don't have those around here much, but at other festivals.  Naked is a way of celebrating nature, and volcanoes are nature.

Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« on: March 22, 2021, 09:56:24 PM »
Bugging Out
From "The Secret Naturist Handbook"
Occasionally, the secret naturist might be unlucky on their secret naturist outing and will have a close encounter with an irate member of the public, who feels offended by your actions. Should that member of the public start making threats about calling the law, you might want to consider bugging out at the earliest opportunity.

I've encountered hundreds, or thousands, of textiles while nude hiking over the past 40 years.   Nobody has been irate, at least not irate enough to say anything.  Nobody has threatened to call the police.  I can recall twice when women stepped off the trail as I passed naked going the opposite direction.  They didn't make any negative comments. Almost everyone returns my friendly greeting, and some greet me first.  I recall a couple of occasions (way less than 1%) were other people made negative comments, but they did not appear to be irate, and did not threaten to call police.  If there is a problem at all it's a rare occurrence. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« on: March 22, 2021, 12:00:16 AM »
Holy sh..! What a point in question! Okay, I use as little as possible. They are mowing down the Sierra Mountain's old growth forests wholesale in Mexico to make TP. I'm still in a frame of mind of a guy with a septic tank, which gets expensive when overloaded. 

Yes, the use of toilet paper is a huge cost in natural resources and personal expense.   I installed a bidet 15 years ago and haven't used any since.  Its much nicer to be washed and clean, and it doesn't encourage mowing down forests.   

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Chalk one up for our side!
« on: March 19, 2021, 02:53:03 PM »
It's a shame that the Gazette Standard believes it has to censor its photo of the men involved in the naked bike ride. 

Introductions / Re: Hello from Ohio
« on: March 05, 2021, 01:25:25 AM »
Hello Denlyn.

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