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Free Range Naturism / Re: Everyday Occurances
« on: August 11, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
I read a story last week about how those medical "scope" things are almost impossible to clean.  They spread infections from person to person.  Dozens of Americans die every year from being infected by medical scopes.  The story was about a demand that the design should be changed and the scope things in current use should all stop being used. 

Medical malpractice is the #3 cause of death in the US now, and trending up.  Uncleanable scopes is a part of the problem.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:49:52 PM »
I have had many lovers. I have had my nose in a variety of places as a result. Without going into detail, I have realized that even girls have bodily stuff going on.

I have always loved female bodies. They are very biological.  YUM.

If your home is temperature controlled and you don't exercise, you may avoid much of this. What you eat may have effect. But I'll stick to a towel on my butt, just in case. I tend to keep the same furnishings for decades and will continue to do that, protecting them with a nice soft terry towel.

I use the same furniture for years also.  When I was quite young my grandmother had little white cloths on the tops of her chairs that were called an antimacassar, An antimacassar is a small cloth placed over the backs or arms of chairs, or the head or cushions of a sofa, to prevent soiling of the permanent fabric underneath.  Supposedly men used creams on their hair which soiled chairs. I never use those either.  If I come in all sweaty from mowing the lawn or something I will throw a towel over my chair, but day to day around the house its not needed.  Of course our bodies produce natural oils, skin cells, etc., but the oils evaporate from chairs and the other brushes off.  My every day TV chair is close to 10 years old and still appears like new.  They sell fabric cleaners for chairs if it ever becomes a problem, but It's just more myth than problem.

Younger women have leakage underneath part of the month but we no longer send them away as apparently was once done in some places. Of course her bleeding will take more concern with chairs and such, but men don't have that problem. 


General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:36:40 PM »
I know it's widely reckoned that the winter germs spread mostly via things like door handles - sneeze with hand over mouth, open door, next person picks up germs, etc - so hand washing can undoubtedly lessen the spread. But as someone whose work took me into possibly four or five different homes a day, I recommend wide exposure to bugs as the best way to build up immunity. In all that time I rarely got more than a short sniffle in any bug season thanks - I believe - to multiple low-level exposures. Since retirement I find the bugs can be a bit more invasive.

Agree completely Peter. Over washing reduces our natural immune system response and makes us MORE susceptible to viruses.  The often advertised "Flu Vaccination" also causes more flu than it prevents for the same reason. 

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:28:18 PM »
The water that doesn't seem to rinse off is soft water. I despise soft water conditioners. I can't get the soap off.  Left on soap makes me itch. Soap feels like slime on a hot day. It stuffs up my pores. I feel it in my scalp. The stuff that won't come off scrapes off some into the towel and permeates the towel with those soaps and still it can be felt on my body. I've never felt anything like it in a natural stream. I don't think that it is very unhealthy to leave soap and all the rest on the body and the results are apparent when I've been subjected to soft water.

Seattle used to have very "soft" water.  Meaning water without dissolved minerals.  Seattle water comes from a large area on the west side of the Cascade mts where it rains 100 inches per year.  The water was so pure, "soft" that they had to add some minerals because it was dissolving their iron pipes.  It also felt different than washing in hard water.  There may be other places that also have very soft water.

Introductions / Re: Hello from UK
« on: August 08, 2019, 06:49:24 PM »
Welcome ot-outdoors.  Free range is more fun than factory farmed nudism.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: People who've given up washing
« on: August 08, 2019, 06:13:35 PM »
Very interesting approach to natural life.  In my personal life I've cut way back on showers.  I shower only every few days and then I don't use soap on most of my body.  Mostly I'm just rinsing off and washing my hair. 

Reading the article they referred to "the importance of the gut microbiome" in the 3rd paragraph but farther down still insist that washing hands is important.  They really haven't thought that through.  Our gut microbiome is supported by acquiring widely divergent bacteria with our hands. Washing all the good things off runs counter to the whole theory this article promotes.   

All those toxic chemicals in lotions, scrubs, makeup, soap, wash, etc., can't be doing us any good, and apparently are doing us harm.  I'll take the forest bath and be happy. 

On a related topic I rinse off my behind after taking a dump, using my hand with the warm water and without soap. That keeps me clean enough to sit on furniture without a towel.  If I'm out in the woods and have to poo it dries and flakes off naturally like all the other animals. 

I saw a thing from Levi Strauss that said you don't have to wash jeans every time you wear them.  I don't wash shirts and such every time any more either. Our microbiome is important.  Being overly clean with toxic chemicals is not healthy

Free Range Naturism / Re: Forest bathing
« on: August 03, 2019, 07:49:19 PM »
An important point, maybe, is that it is guided by a certified nature and forest-therapy guide.

The concept of certified guides for "nature" in the woods seems antithetical to me.  Maybe I'm spoiled by living in the woods.  Maybe city people need a guide, but how is that nature.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Permanude
« on: August 03, 2019, 07:39:48 PM »
John P you are exactly right about western culture believing that men are ugly and forcing us to be almost fully covered from head to foot. I recall when I was in the 6th grade, 12 years old, the fashion industry was promoting knee length (Bermuda) shorts for men. Boys in my 6th grade class began promoting a "Shorts Day" for the last day of school in June when temperatures were hot and the school didn't have AC.  The whole idea was quickly squashed by School Admins and parents.  Boys are not allowed to show bare knees or lower legs (except in sports when short shorts were normal).  Women's fashions always show off more flesh than men's fashions, and high fashion makes us men wear tuxedos covering us entirely except hands and faces.  High fashion women gowns can be almost naked, and often show a lot of bare shoulders, legs, backs, and etc.

When men get naked the culture is a lot more "offended" by seeing man's parts than seeing a woman's hairy crotch.  Men are also attacked for having sexual feelings a lot more than women.  The nudist world didn't create the misandry, but they participate willingly. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: Anyone for coffee?
« on: July 27, 2019, 05:00:24 PM »
Probably more a Vermont thing. The news there has reports of guys doing stunts like this like once a year it seems. I wonder how often that it happens though. The news reports can't be the only instances. People aren't calling the police. This one got on because somebody got filmed and somebody got it to the news, somehow. I should think that most people wouldn't go to the trouble.Jbee

Good for them all.  Make casual nudity common place.  Not worth bothering to photo.

Free Range Naturism / Casual Hotel Nudity on TV.
« on: July 25, 2019, 12:20:59 AM »
I usually don't watch a TV show called Hotel Impossible.  Its about some guy who goes to independent hotels having management troubles, and helps the owner redecorate and upgrade management to improve their business. 

Today I saw Season 5, Episode 1.  It featured an 50 room place called "Streamline Hotel" in Daytona Beach, Florida, near the auto race track.  Somewhere in the middle of the episode they got a big bank loan and planned to close for 30 days while they renovated.  The owner talked about taking care of residents who lived in the hotel while they renovated.  The TV film editor cut in a few seconds of a male resident standing naked in the hallway talking casually with some lady from maid service.  The maid's cleaning cart had been strategically placed to censor his parts, but he was clearly casually naked in the hotel hallway.  I had to back up the program and look again to be sure that's what I saw.

I didn't hear or see any mention of Clothing Optional or casual nudity anywhere else in the program. They just assumed that casual nudity wasn't worth talking about on the program, although it was shown.  Maybe its a trend toward more people being naked in hotels as part of the general hotel industry.  This show makes a big deal about upgrading the hotel industry. 

Anyway if you happen to see Hotel Impossible, Show S5 E1, watch for the naked man in the hallway. 

Free Range Naturism / Re: Everyday Occurances
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:37:32 PM »
Problem is the woods are posted for hunting so I am trespassing when I leave my yard.

Around here you can post your land "No Hunting" or "No Trespassing" or both.   Just posting "No Hunting" does not prohibit entry as long as no hunting is done.  Your area may have different laws.

The other thing is that I am probably known by the people (related to some) who own the cameras. I cannot afford the "exposure".

My people know I'm a nudist.  It brings a lot of freedom.  If they see a picture of me on-line or elsewhere its no big deal.  My neighbors know I'm a nudist too.  No big deal. 

You have to judge your own situation.   Over many years I've concluded that we really have nothing to fear being naked but fear itself.


Free Range Naturism / Re: Everyday Occurances
« on: July 23, 2019, 02:08:29 AM »
I used to be able to walk in the woods next to my house on occasion properly attired but now, with the advent of game cameras, I no longer have that luxury. Last year I even found one right at the back of my yard on the trail where I enter the woods.

Interesting that they put a camera near your back yard trail.   I can't help wonder what would happen if you just walked past the cameras naked like you owned the woods. 

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Clothing can be Unhealthy
« on: July 21, 2019, 05:23:38 PM »
(Caution: if you are offended by "Pagan" talk skip this article)

I'm not sure if this is about being unhealthy.  Its about how clothing restricts being wild.  I found it on Facebook today.

General Naturism Discussion / Re: Skinny-dippin' with St Ethelflaeda!
« on: July 13, 2019, 04:59:49 PM »
Time was when US Presidents went skinny dipping in the Potomac river.  Nobody though too much of it and mostly didn't bother to write down about it. I read one account of a female lobbyist chasing down a President while he was taking his daily naked swim, but mostly it wasn't unusual enough to notice

There were many centuries where Christian priests discouraged bathing because taking care of your body led to pride or other sins. Pope Pius campaigned for more covering of clothes and against low cut dresses or high cut skirts. I suppose there were exceptions.   

We are living through the first time in all of human history where people suffer from too much food, and too little exercise. For the past million years food was produced or gathered only by expenditure of a great deal of human labor. It was expensive.  Famine was always a worry. The medieval cold times caused global famines that resulted in death of around 1/4 of all Europeans. The immediate cause of death was some illness or other but they were dying because they were half starved.  Even in "good" times like the Roman Empire their slaves suffered from a chronic lack of food. And now, for the first time ever, our "problem" is obesity.  Our bodies evolved to store any extra food we manage to obtain, but now we have machines cultivating and distributing our crops. The extra cost of "supersize me" is trivial for much of our population.

And exercise?  That's become a fancy gym rather than survival. People who hunted or farmed their own food had a cost of body energy to obtain more.  Now we sit at desks and ride in motor vehicles rather than working and walking.  Rather than complaining we ought to be thankful for the abundance our science has created for us. Having plenty of food is a lot more important than what food we have.  Being able to turn away any food because we don't like that kind is an unimaginable luxury that a million years of our ancestors couldn't even dream of.

We are designed to retain and store any extra food we get.  Many people end up eating more than we need, especially when we don't have to do actual work all day. And who can say that war or tech failure will never bring another famine that makes them the survivors.  Often the large people are more healthy, and the wolves are always prowling around just out of sight.

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