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Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« Last post by BlueTrain on Today at 01:10:24 AM »
I visited relatives in southern West Virginia a few weeks ago. Nary a book in sight.

We have too many books and too much other stuff, too. I keep telling my wife that if we ever move, we need a place with a barn.
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Smooth Hound
« Last post by BlueTrain on Today at 01:07:59 AM »
It's probably more fads and fashion than anything else, with some periods in recent history and certain places being conformist, others anything but.

No doubt you've seen the images on the plaques attached to two of the space missions depicting a man and a woman, both nude. The first one, Pioneer 10, was launched in 1972, 46 years ago. They have what might be described as contemporary hair styles, though no body hair is depicted. What would they look like if designed today, do you suppose? Would they even be nude? If they were designed in 1900, the hair styles would at least be different. The man would invariably have a mustache. Thirty years earlier, he'd have a beard.

In the 1950s, having a beard was not done. A mustache would be a pencil-thin style. I even remember a line from a movie, "Why are you hiding behind that beard?" (The character said he grew it to look older.) Any style that teenagers favor is usually considered rebellious if it isn't exactly like their parents, who of course, went through the same stages. It is ironic that as your body hair increases, the hair on your head sometimes begins to thin out. Women don't have the same hair issues. They don't have mustaches, except for the occasional aunt.
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Solstice hike, Vermont June 21
« Last post by nuduke on Today at 12:29:59 AM »

Some of my best nudist moments were on a few precious days when I got up before dawn before what would become a fine cloudless sunny day and went to the woods or stayed in the garden and spent naked time in twilight and welcomed the dawn with my nakedness.  There have only been a relatively few of these occasions, though.  Nowadays, I have theoretically plenty of occasions to experience dawn whilst skyclad but somehow, I can't be arsed to get up and drive out to a suitable hike. Don't know why I am less motivated to do that now that it's easier.  I must be perversely contrary!
John
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Trip reports / Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part III Oaks in the Forest
« Last post by nuduke on Today at 12:19:59 AM »

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We have books. We have books, everywhere. Every room in the house has books except the laundry and bath rooms. I donít understand why people donít like books.

We used to have rooms full of books and decided to slim down our 'library' when we moved house in 2015.  Mrs N and I reflected why we both considered the collecting of books to be such a desirable object.  It dawned upon me that the accumulation of books is a middle class affectation that suggests you are 'well read' i.e. the number of books is in direct proportion to how intelligent and knowledgeable you are!  People with books are the people to know, perhaps.  We liked the message that we were a bit academic.
Mrs N had to agree that for us this was probably true and we both reacted against the shallowness of that.
This realisation spurred us on to more ruthless editing of the book collection.  Nevertheless it was surprising how many books did mean something more to us than just the information or entertainment they contained or their 'lifestyle' value.  So many books carried a connection to some part of life or an assortment of memories.  I kept a couple of children's books that my kids had enjoyed me reading to them.  Those books had happy times with the kids adsorbed into the pages and reminded me of it very strongly.  I kept my text books from my A Level metalwork because that was a nice time in my life and I loved doing the metalwork.  No harm in a few books after all provided you are not keeping them for appearances alone.  We chucked out or gave away about 2/3 of the books and felt cleansed and happier without them.  Our collection continues once again to increase, however!
John
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Smooth Hound
« Last post by nuduke on June 24, 2018, 11:52:47 PM »

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Yea, I couldn't imagine hassling with shaving the rest of me everyday.
In fact, it only takes me a minute or two a day, when it's 'bald', to keep smooth.

It's interesting how the majority of opinion seems to be against shaving the pubic region or rest of body yet trimming of head hair and shaving the face is normal. I'm not suggesting hypocrisy here, just that we all have deeply embedded norms to deal with that makes us think a lack of natural hair in one place (pubes) is unnatural but that routinely shaving another place (face) simply goes alongside as totally normal.  I am equally dualistic - I make myself smooth from the neck down yet I have quite long head hair and a goatee beard which I keep very closely clipped.  Not consistent and subject to hegemony!
Have we now come to the conclusion that to be truly naturist naked then, you shouldn't cut any hair at all?  In Sikhism, hair is allowed to grow naturally as respect for the perfection of God's creation. That's very akin to what several of you have said about accepting what we are and what body and features we are given. 
Mind you, amongst Muslims, hair removal is part of achieving general purity and cleanliness and includes the trimming of nails and the removing of armpit and pubic hair.
 
I don't know about any of this obligatory stuff though.  In my case I find it aesthetically pleasing, hygienic and a matter of choice not obligation or spiritual belief. 

John
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« Last post by BlueTrain on June 24, 2018, 05:13:31 PM »
Arkansas sounds like a great place to live. Are only Republicans allowed to vote?

On top of the mish-mash of laws concerning nudity, there are lots of sheriffs who enforce the law the way they think the law should be written, not the way it is. Unfortunately, there are probably a lot of citizens who favor that idea. I think there is even a kind of competition in law enforcement to see who can be the toughest on crime.
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Legal clarification
« Last post by rrfalcon on June 24, 2018, 03:01:37 PM »
Unfortunately, the USA isn't a single jurisdiction for nudity laws - it's 50 states, plus the District of Columbia, plus several territories, each of which gets to make their own laws on the subject. So you have places like Vermont, with little to no restrictions on public nudity, ranging down to places like Arkansas where it's illegal even to discuss public nudity (although that law is clearly unconstitutional so I'd be surprised if it's enforced). About all we can do is work on our local governments to be sensible.
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"Addressed more to my comments by Bluetrain, we DO have to play along with the social games or face penalties. Making a living, having a rounded group of friends, business opportunities, being arrested, being branded a social deviate, branded a slob, a freak, being set aside in cages, or reservations because you don't play the games. There is a tremendous pressure to conform to wearing clothing, keeping ones nudity a secret and wearing the correct clothing. The sexual connotations and behavioral "norms" around nude natural human bodies are an enormous hassle. I'm saying that it all needs to change. Yes, the people here on this forum do feel these things, see these things and know these things, they are not blinded and turned to sheep, like the textile obsessed."

None of those things are games. Making a living is serious. "Correct clothing?" What's that? You're the one sounding :"textile obsessed." Or it may be obsession with nudity. Either way, it sounds like an obsession.

I'm not sure what you mean by poser. I'm an old man, like many of you. I really don't do much of anything these days, to be honest. But when I have hiked nude or been nude at home, conditions permitting, I certainly don't feel any closer to the earth. Sure, I like the feeling of being naked but closer to the earth? Please explain. The closest I ever got to the earth was working on a tobacco farm. I started nude hiking when I was in high school and was in a situation that afforded some good opportunities. It was years before I had more opportunities like that but mostly the opportunities have slipped away. That is, to do nude hiking. As it is now, I see more wildlife on my local hikes in the woods than I ever have. But hiking nude is out of the question without a long drive away from home and I'm trying to cut back on my driving for financial reasons.

Maybe I am messing with you all a little. You need to be shaken up now and then. Go back and read over some of the posts. If you want to encourage more people to be nude for some reason, saying things like "clothing kills" is going to get some funny looks. Suggesting that clothing is the source of the world's problems is not going to get you anywhere. Something wrong with a nuclear family? Or the old version, the atomic family. Not many of us really live in such a situation. Usually there are relatives. I keep seeing words like pressure, obsession, bizarre, conformity, locked into, control and so on. Make your argument without using any of those words, if possible.

Different people react differently to perceived pressures. Some don't even notice it. Others create it. Most play no games. Maybe you're projecting you own reactions and feelings onto everyone else. On another forum I frequently trade barbs because that person's point of view is that everyone did what he did and thought the same in the past and if they didn't, then they don't count. I guess because I didn't share his experiences (or vice versa), then I wasn't liberated or something. Anyway, he also seems to base his ideas on the way things were (or they way he thought they were) in a narrow window of time.
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Trip reports / Re: Solstice Day hike in Vermont
« Last post by jbeegoode on June 23, 2018, 07:28:07 PM »
A story that warms my heart.

How was the male female ratio? The one stepping off of the trail would respond to more other women differently, or do you think not? I ponder what might have been going on inside of her. Did she show any signs of fear, or just being surprised. How many positive encounters would you estimate?

We were working that day and there was some solstice spiritual things going on for us, but we spent the previous three day weekend nude hiking and walking. Sunday, we had a pack of 7 on a short trail in Northern Arizona, which was the largest group of freehikers that I've been out with in a decade. Certainly a different experience. 14 is a large party. Did they stick together, or spread out splitting the group. Were there newbies, or did everyone have some familiarity? Was there someone as the responsible leader, or just a plan?

I think that you just got nailed with a trip report. ::)
Jbee

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Last post by jbeegoode on June 23, 2018, 07:01:50 PM »
My mouth slathers with the thought that there might be a place to roam nude freely without danger. I would be like a toddler making its way out the front door for the first time, in disbelief, "Can this really be happening? Can I really do this?"
Jbee
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