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Free Range Naturism / Re: Orient Land Trust -- Neil Seitz died.
« Last post by Fishandchips on November 27, 2021, 07:44:57 AM »
Im am so sorry to hear that. Very sad news and a loss to yourself, Valley View and everyone who knew him and benefited tremendously from his passion, commitment and hard work over the years.
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Free Range Naturism / Orient Land Trust -- Neil Seitz died.
« Last post by Bob Knows on November 25, 2021, 09:14:08 PM »
The first officially Clothing Optional campground I visited was Valley View Hot Springs in Colorado, USA.   It was run by Neil and Terry Seitz.  Most of the accommodations at Valley View Hot Spring were personally constructed by Neil.  He and Terry took over an area of falling down shacks and occasional hippy campers in 1978.   http://www.olt.org



The whole Valley View property was dedicated as a Naturist Clothing Optional area, and members of The Naturist Society got discounts. Neil and Terry were adamant about clothing optional.  Sometimes I would hang out naked in their visitor center and use the computer to check my e-mail.  Often I would arrive at the gate naked having driven naked from New Mexico.  They didn't require people to be naked, but clothing was never required at the front office or anywhere.

Over the years Neil repaired the shacks, built a toilet and community building, fixed up the swimming pool, installed a hydro-electric system, upgraded the natural hot springs, built residences, added a new restroom and sauna building, etc. etc.   There were years when I was the only naked person wandering around the campground, but most of the visitors went naked in the hot springs.  Last time I visited there were a lot of naked people wandering about. 

From Valley View Hot Springs I have hiked about 10 miles naked to the top of Cottonwood Peak, about 13,600 feet high.  Often I walked a mile or so to the Orient Mine.  A nice naked walk along the old railroad grade.  The hot spring was used by miners in the 19th century.  The campground is about 8,000 feet elevation. 

Over the years Neil and Terry bought the adjacent Orient Mine property, and then deeded the whole thing to a perpetual nature preserve called Orient Land Trust (OLT).  More recently the OLT bought the old Everson ranch on the adjacent valley floor, again expanding deeded OLT land. 

Last time I was there I met Jbee and wife who also were there at the same time. 

Today I got the sad news that Neil Seitz has died of an extended illness.   He was only 67 years old, almost 10 years younger than me.   

Don't know how many readers other than Jbee and Myself have ever been to OLT.  I will miss Neil. 

https://www.olt.org/news/item/641-neil-seitz-founder?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=sg   

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Trip reports / Re: Nude Across America Pt.12: WNHD Two
« Last post by jbeegoode on November 24, 2021, 05:27:07 AM »
Nuduke says, "If you ever come to Britain, I can walk you through similar terrain only 20 mins drive from our house albeit that 1-2 hrs walk does the whole perimeter!"

Naked walking for a couple of hours! We're on!
Jbee
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Introductions / Re: Hello
« Last post by jbeegoode on November 24, 2021, 04:57:51 AM »
That article, in very cavalier terms, states that the researcher said. "For many people today, the Paleolithic diet is a critical issue, not only with regard to the past, but also concerning the present and future. It is hard to convince a devout vegetarian that his/her ancestors were not vegetarians, and people tend to confuse personal beliefs with scientific reality. It goes both ways, lots of folks are hung up on their meat.

The scientific reality would have people eating what is on hand and popular to them. If you live in abundance of sea food, or a land or time of more meat, or a steady easy supply of veggies, that is what people ate. People ate these thing with different results. Obviously, there is amongst these "speculators" a tendency to oversimplify human diet, or generalize in educated guesswork.

People lived off goat milk, weeds and berries, Think Alaska, fish and blubber. Think of all the knowledge passed down through generations about eating certain plants and their medicinal qualities. Think about the various masticating and chewing configurations that our unique mouths provide us. Think about the varieties of environments that our species has continued to evolve in, as it expanded territory. I doubt that there are absolutes and as usual, our bodies have amazing adaptive skills, that we are just realizing.

Ketosis would certainly come in handing during leaner cold winter times. We can do that, and I shouldn't think it particularly unhealthy, and I periodically fast myself. My system readjusts and after, I eat less, lose weight, am easier to get along with myself, the list goes on.

Bob, I have a question for you. Would you say that you find yourself eating less, or less glutenous, more easily satisfied now, than with processed food and carbs? I am satisfied eating less and my blood sugar is more stable. I enjoy my eating more, I address my food differently. I figure that it may be much to do with what we aren't eating, rather than what we are eating, when you and I change our diets in somewhat opposite ways from each other, but get so much of similar results.

This vegetarian will have a couple of bites of turkey this Thanksgiving. It will be a treat. My body can handle a bit of bird. If it were wild, I'd probably feel comfortable eating more of it. On the other hand, wild turkey probably doesn't melt in the mouth like a bred butterball. ;)

Thank-you for two very interesting articles, but I do find some bias and incomplete information in significant parts of them both.
Jbee



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Trip reports / Chapotet
« Last post by jmf on November 23, 2021, 04:35:56 PM »
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Introductions / Re: Hello
« Last post by Bob Knows on November 22, 2021, 07:20:57 PM »
I just discovered that a main protagonist of the Carnivore Diet is called Paul SALADino!!!  ;D ;D ;D :o

There are many advocates.  I'm not personally familiar with Paul Salading. 

I read you can have milk and yogurt on the Carnivore Diet.  Is bread allowed? I guess not because it is plant derived and is a carb.  Is that right, Bob?
With eating all meat don't you occasionally crave a nice roast beef sandwich?
John[/quote]

Carbohydrates are not the best human food.  I would just eat the roast beef and not the sandwich.  Some milk and yogurt has a lot of carbohydrates too, especially if they add sugar.

I just found this study today:  https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/sci-tech/2021/4/7/1_5377644.html

Original scientific study paper from American Journal of Biological Anthropologyhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247

Or, as carnivore humans sometimes say,  "We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to eat plants."   
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Introductions / Re: Hello from northern Germany
« Last post by jmf on November 22, 2021, 02:29:42 PM »

  I think JMF uses translation a lot but although his English is good, I think he writes in French on his personal blog Randonnues and adds an English translation which is usually a good one.
Is that what you do JMF?


Yes, I'm using the Deepl online translator:
 https://www.deepl.com/translator
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Introductions / Re: Hello from northern Germany
« Last post by boris on November 22, 2021, 01:18:13 PM »
na dann willkommen hier ;)
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Introductions / Re: Hello
« Last post by iHateClothes on November 21, 2021, 11:20:30 PM »
wow
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Introductions / Re: Hello from northern Germany
« Last post by Davie on November 21, 2021, 11:03:03 PM »
Welcome to the site. The the merrier. Enjoy.

Davie  8)
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