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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by Bob Knows on September 27, 2020, 07:56:52 PM »
Re the diet - that's amazing, Bob.  As a biochemist, I can perceive some of the science behind it.  The Atkins Diet is similar in that it removes carbs leaving protein and fat, I seem to recall.  The biochemistry of that is well established.

Yes, the basic science has been around for half a century.  It doesn't market big corporation carb and sugar products so its largely ignored. 


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The Mewe link didn't work for me as you have to be a member and sign in.  Any other good open references to the Carnivore diet?  It certainly seems to have worked - How did you come across it?John

My youngest son had been a carnivore for a year.  His health had significantly improved.  We talked a lot about it when I was visiting last summer (2019).  It began eating that way last September, and now I'm doing super.   We call it a "Way of Eating" or WOE rather than a "diet."  Its a long term healthy life style rather than something to do for a while to lose weight before gaining it all back. 

Maybe you can try the Facebook group World Carnivore Tribe.   Their pinned post has most of the same links. 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/worldcarnivoretribe 
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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by nuduke on September 27, 2020, 07:35:47 PM »
Re the diet - that's amazing, Bob.  As a biochemist, I can perceive some of the science behind it.  The Atkins Diet is similar in that it removes carbs leaving protein and fat, I seem to recall.  The biochemistry of that is well established.
The Mewe link didn't work for me as you have to be a member and sign in.  Any other good open references to the Carnivore diet?  It certainly seems to have worked - How did you come across it?
John
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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by nuduke on September 27, 2020, 07:30:18 PM »
Sorry everyone - some rogue formatting seems to have crept in to my post.  I have corrected it (I think!) so read a couple of posts back if you wish.
John
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« Last post by nuduke on September 27, 2020, 07:25:18 PM »
Well well, thank you Bob for giving me the opportunity to further my education by looking up the 9th and 10th Amendments.  The content of the American Constitution is not something often discussed in the UK and was not part of my school education.  I am now motivated to have a look at both the Constitution and the (27?) amendments.  Might make an interesting evenings study.


On the point about arguing from the 9th amendment, I guess one would have to show that the right to naturism was or is a valid right and that it was or is "retained by the people."   The problem might be in the definition of 'The People' which is, I believe an expression for the whole of the US citizenry.  They might not all agree with us!
John
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Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« Last post by nuduke on September 27, 2020, 07:08:34 PM »
Gosh, only about 1/2 way through.  Lookee certainly was comprehensive in thinking through the whole field.
Well press on Jbee!  It would be interesting to read more (I usually skim read them!  ;) )

The last article is interesting.  One thing that I tend to conclude, with the benefit of hindsight, about Lookee's thought process about what we now call Free range Naturism, is that he was very concerned with the secret and clandestine aspects of free ranging, the assumption being that one should never be seen.  For instance he remarks about the option of walking home naked "could even be enjoyable but would require some luck to get safely across town without being seen "  The emphasis being on not being seen.  I suspect you or Bob (or even myself in such a situation of crisis) might take the view that in the circumstances we would have a valid explanation for our behaviour and state of undress and simply carry on with the task of getting home naked and brave out any possible encounters or indeed seek help from the police if they were available.

John


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Free Range Naturism / Re: Public nudity
« Last post by nuduke on September 27, 2020, 06:51:18 PM »
We pretty much stick to the topic of free range naturism here. After time, I've gotten to know about the demographic of the participants. A newbie may not see it the a same as white, or older guys, nor care. It can be irrelevant who is sharing the naturist experiences, the wisdom, the understanding and camaraderie of those found here.

We come from many backgrounds, economic, cultural, political and across oceans and continents. There is diversity and accommodating here, and it is honest. It is like going to a nudist resort and everyone is naked, so nobody really knows what the other would be trying to project or adhere to on the outside.
Jbee
I certainly wouldn't argue with any of that and perhaps, as you say, it's time to close this conversation as it strays from our naturist theme somewhat. 
I apologise for introducing bias for the purpose of making the point.  I gave the example of limitations to indicate arguments which are key to those that wish to promote diversity across the board whether gender, ethnicity, ability, workplace or across the economic divides, in order perhaps to make us think about why we here share certain similarities and consider why we do not have a broader spectrum of people as members engaging in our world.  It's neither our fault nor a shortcoming nor something to be criticised.  But as in everything, the reason why things are as they are is massively improved by an explanation.
Indeed, we are a much more diverse group than perhaps I indicated when making my point previously.  But I still ask why over nearly 2 decades of existence as a forum group that has changed and evolved in membership and location, do we not attract even more diversity, for instance women and younger people.  If as you assert, Jbee, that some may not perceive the aspects which I highlighted and not see them as an inhibition to joining in, then where are they and why don't we experience more of them joining us?   Is it that naturists in general are not a diverse cross section of humanity?  Is it that those that like discussing naturism are vanishingly few?  Could it be an artefact e.g. that forums are more appealing to white men over 60 than women or youths?  I don't think we have the answer and we have discussed it on several previous occasions, so I'm inclined to leave it there - as Bob says, we have enough to discuss within our current cultural range.
....unless anyone has any alternative explanations to offer  :D :-X ;D
John
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Free Range Naturism / Re: How was your month for Free Range Naturism?
« Last post by Davie on September 27, 2020, 05:37:07 PM »
I'm not going to comment about this diet, everyone can make up their own mind, but it does recall a humous moment.

A few years ago I was at Abbey House Gardens for a clothes optional day. Ian Pollard the owner had invited a guy who spoke about such a diet described above. He was aggressively expanding on this diet and all went well until, perhaps being a little over confident he asked if anyone had any questions. A guy very quietly asked if his dietary plan had been subject of "peer review."

It may or may not have been subject of peer review but if they had this guy wasn't aware of it. It literally brought him up short, he rocked on his feet a couple of times, thanked everyone for listening to him and quietly withdrew.

The humour was the over confident approach to really wanting not to be there.

Davie  8)
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Trip reports / Re: Wilderness of Rocks Trail: Beyond: Part II
« Last post by Bob Knows on September 27, 2020, 03:53:37 PM »
Beautiful area.   
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Some More Thoughts Article
« Last post by Bob Knows on September 27, 2020, 03:49:56 PM »
To allude to a Supreme Court justice writings, before the court was cheapened into being just a group of politicians in robes and was there to protect we the peoples Rights in principle: I know it when I experience it and that should be reason enough. He was writing about defining porn at the time. I'm just saying that I know that it feels right, it is a right. We find these truths to be self evident...
Jbee

It would be good to find a US Supreme Court that would rely heavily on Constitution Amendments 9 and 10.   9 has been ignored for a century or more.  Nudist organizations should bring law suits under Amendment 9 and demand freedom of expression and freedom to choose our own body cover or not as a fundamental human right. 
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Free Range Naturism / Re: The Secret Naturist Handbook
« Last post by Bob Knows on September 27, 2020, 03:42:14 PM »
Lost Clothing: From The Secret Naturist Handbook

What would you do if, for example, you returned back to the car to find it had been stolen along with your clothing, and the clothing you had hidden for this eventuality was also missing? You are naked, might be miles from home, its getting dark and starting to rain. You are in a potentially serious situation, what would you do?

I'm more worried about getting 20 miles from home without bringing any clothes, and the fuel pump quits, or the battery is dead, etc.  We had a topic about how far can you go from your nearest clothing.  Its a risk when its miles from home, small risk though.

The trouble with small risks is that they become big risks if you take the small risk many times.  Sooner or later the small risk will happen. 

 
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