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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Weather
« Last post by BlueTrain on Today at 10:47:37 AM »
The only kind of weather I really don't care for is rain and records have been broken this year around here for the amount of rain. But better than water restrictions and drought. It hasn't rained for two days now but there's a half a chance it might tomorrow. I can't really complain except that it has made the places muddy where I go walking.

Hiking when it's snowing can be a delight. Hiking when it's freezing cold, snow or no snow, is interesting but not exactly delightful. Hiking when there's more than about six inches of snow on the ground is not easy, either. But hiking when the weather is warm, the leaves are out and it's sunny is what you live for.
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General Naturism Discussion / Re: Weather
« Last post by ric on Today at 10:01:02 AM »
I spent an hour or so after lunch yesterday cleaning windows,. Barefoot  but still wearing glasses, twas a tad chilly on the shady side of the bungalow.  The roadside hedge is still see though  but what the heck. No traffic passed whilst I was visible and I wasn't aware of any pedestrians.
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It gets a little better too. I have received a response back from the Forestry Commission Scotland regarding naturists on their estates. Positive so far, I am waiting for clarification on a couple of points.
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Making Naturism Viral - Grassroots Naturism
« Last post by jbeegoode on Today at 04:41:13 AM »
1.) Over at the "fear of nudity" thread, There was a comment about critical mass in social revolution, or cultural change. I was talking about influences that a sub-culture can make on the mass culture.

I compared it to a wave and a beach. The strength creating the wave, how steep the embankment, how easy the water can seep into the sand.

We were discussing the 60's influence and the change the "hippies" made as an example.

Back then, we were seeing a war with a support from WWII mindset, a culture of defense and a military industrial complex as the steep bank on the beach.  We pushed through to make passable long hair and individuality to an extent, but also civil rights, change came to women who were still stuck in the 50's and home and subservient, psychotropic drugs, all manner of sissy style, men could have feelings and cry, daddy's daughters having free sex, and many other very steep taboos. Nudity was easy out of the batch.

These days, we have seen homosexuality getting not just a stamp of approval, but protection. Naked is all around, but generally tinged with sex, now. It seems to me that learning that we are just too inhibited about being seen without coverings on a small section of our bodies is a pretty flat slope, a penetrable sand type, and all that is needed is the wake of an exciting boat, a not very big exciting boat. This one should be easy in comparison to the 60's changes.

2.) Desexualization of nude bodies is a key. How to get that behavior in politically correct mode is tricky. Old habits die with difficulty. Women's lib, metoo, psychological professional community (I hear the DSM-?? newest has ceased to define exhibitionism and voyeurism as disorders), people just looking for good clean fun, people in the closet, just wanting to come out could all be allies and boats to latch onto, to up the wake and wave.

3.) I've joined a Meetup group with the intention of scouting and networking to lead DF and me to places and trails that I can visit later naked. I thought to be cautious bringing up nude hiking, but I am forgetting a major point. Most people on the trail are accepting and gracious. They are prime to talk about nude hiking and then body freedom...converts....
I have been sick for nearly two months off and on, sitting in crappy weather that normally belongs in another state, and nailed down to the house. I hope that this spring, I'll be engaging that plan some. Perhaps, when DF goes with her women's group to Morocco.....
Jbee
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Fear of nudity
« Last post by jbeegoode on Today at 04:07:31 AM »
See grassroots naturism thread to continue this about how to liberate the world.
Jbee
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Making Naturism Viral - Grassroots Naturism
« Last post by jbeegoode on Today at 04:03:31 AM »
Several quick things.

1. What I wanted to point out in the post was an example of how to make naturist ideas viral. It might be objected that could easily be done by showing lots more pictures of naked women rather than men. But that's not the case here. (See next point)

2. I haven't counted every picture on the IG page (~2000 total), but it sure seems close to 50-50 men and women.

3. This doesn't seem to be an example of men deliberately posting pictures of naked women that were found somewhere. Instead, unless this is a deliberate hoax, almost all the women are (a) posing voluntarily with the intention of their picture being shown, and (b) new to naturism and not paid models (white tails).

4. Facebook nudist/naturist groups are notorious for a preponderance of naked men posting pictures of themselves. If any of that is "pervy", it's the men. But this IG thing is dramatically different.

5. Quite a few of the pictures are very lighthearted and humorous. Most seem to be having a really good time. If you saw any half dozen of these pictures in a naturist publication, they would not seem at all out of place. (Except for how few faces are shown.) Compare to most of the naked men on Facebook.
Ditto NAturistplace. These are a pile pics of young people having fun...naked. Yea, they are posing, but they are doing it in a fun active context and with their friends. This is more than "Le Liberte de Fesse" website posted people getting away with butts at national treasures. This is some 2000 shots of young people having a blast and okay to be exposed to an extent. DF and I went a couple of years before faces appeared on our site, with a lot of backsides and tricks to hide identity, like hat brims, reflections, on and on (it was a challenge and fun). The fact that they can be anonymous is just what many, or most, needed to participate in this activity. I think that if they hadn't had the purpose of the site, they probably wouldn't have gotten naked at all. Many of those would still have inhibitions without having some peer pressure to allow then to experience the fact that naked ain't such a horrible deal and quite fun. Let us remember the wisdom of Larry, "INCREMENTALISM,"...amen!

Today, anonymous butts, tomorrow, no prob with a pic between friends, or friends naked together, in normality.

A few got naked and bathed at Woodstock, were seen by millions and suddenly a significant number of those millions were experimenting with this cool thing. How many saw "Life Magazine" or the Woodstock album and thought, "hmm, looks fun." 224,000 followers means a million or more stopping in every so often. What, 2500 or 3500 participated? Yea, I'd bet for many it was just a lark, but they did it, and it didn't hurt and they know that.

There were some dits making judgemental comments like targets at a turkey shoot. Many probably crude. Too many to count, disappointing the blogger. I'd bet that that same thing went on when the photos were done. Girls comparing the "packages" and guys well, "checking it out" all curious. People comparing notes in their minds of other experiences with nudes is natural. Many were thinking, "everybody is flawed!", "Don't we look silly,"  "What a lowly imperfect crew we are," "teehee hee!" and "Wow, this is liberating, I'm not so pitiful." I just hope that when something happens like this here, like this summer, that I will be cool enough to know about it. I'd certainly troll the site and contradict and educate those rude comments. I'd set aside my time for that, to be the naked shadowy voice of reason and naturists philosophy.

On my site, about every ten comments that I get, some new ignorant doof, usually thinks that it is okay to compliment DF's body and it is laughable that some have appeared to be trying to do it politely. I'm sayin that these goofs are not so many as very vocal and just don't know any better. Many pics do show a lark atmosphere, these are not naturists for the most part, it is spontaneous. It is not surprising that a bloke sitting with a beer in his chair has no other reference than some drunken exhibit, or a wet tee shirt contest. They are responding honestly to what they perceive as what is going on in the pics and in some of those pics it is going on. It is all good. This is better than tunblr stolen shots attempting to be natural. These are natural bodies. These are peers.

It is up to us to educate when we see it. Those comments are an opportunity, not a problem.
Jbee
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Making Naturism Viral - Grassroots Naturism
« Last post by Bob Knows on Today at 02:09:02 AM »
I'm going to suggest that many women post nude photos on more sexually oriented sites.   Maybe "non-sexual" naturism isn't sexy enough to get women to post photos.

I moved to MeWe after Facebook jail and I find that a lot of Tumblr porn has moved to MeWe.  MUCH OF IT is amateur horny women posting their sexual or nude photos.   MeWe has pages like "Kama Sutra,"  "skanks and wanks,"  "Autumn's private page,"  "Dirty Public," and bunches more.    "Dirty Public" is about mostly women lifting skirts and showing their crotches in public places, often with other people in the background.   

I haven't made any attempt to count the number of sites and women but it appears to be a never ending stream of women who want to show off.  It reminds me of a story I read once about a photographer in Denver who wanted nude models.  He put a small ad in a local paper and had over 800 women show up at his door, all wanting to be photographed naked.   

What @Naturistplace observed about  Australians is that all those women seem to just want to show off.   It may take more sexual content to get women excited.  Maybe ordinary nudism is too boring. 

This may be entirely wrong, but there is a never ending stream of naked women on amateur porn sites.  Far more than on nude sites.   What do you guys think? 

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Free Range Naturism / Re: Making Naturism Viral - Grassroots Naturism
« Last post by Naturistplace on February 15, 2019, 10:47:55 PM »
Several quick things.

1. What I wanted to point out in the post was an example of how to make naturist ideas viral. It might be objected that could easily be done by showing lots more pictures of naked women rather than men. But that's not the case here. (See next point)

2. I haven't counted every picture on the IG page (~2000 total), but it sure seems close to 50-50 men and women.

3. This doesn't seem to be an example of men deliberately posting pictures of naked women that were found somewhere. Instead, unless this is a deliberate hoax, almost all the women are (a) posing voluntarily with the intention of their picture being shown, and (b) new to naturism and not paid models (white tails).

4. Facebook nudist/naturist groups are notorious for a preponderance of naked men posting pictures of themselves. If any of that is "pervy", it's the men. But this IG thing is dramatically different.

5. Quite a few of the pictures are very lighthearted and humorous. Most seem to be having a really good time. If you saw any half dozen of these pictures in a naturist publication, they would not seem at all out of place. (Except for how few faces are shown.) Compare to most of the naked men on Facebook.
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Making Naturism Viral - Grassroots Naturism
« Last post by John P on February 15, 2019, 09:49:49 PM »
I went and took a look at the Facebook page, rather than what the newspaper said about it, and actually it does seem that they had some good intentions,  but they've ended up disappointed. They posted the item below (in italics) on Jan 31.

Out in the textile world, the expectation about nudity is that there will be lots of pictures of young women (no BlueTrain, you aren't welcome) presented for men to look at. That's how it's been for the last few centruries in everything from great art to the nastiest pornography, and it's the way many people think things should continue. I believe that naturists need to recognize this (mis)usage of nudity when we see it, and try to offer an alternative. One thing we should be saying is that we need to accept the diversity of human bodies--cute babes along with BlueTrain!

We will be taking a break from posting our user generated content on Facebook and seriously considering if we will ever be back.

Our page has become a playground for blokes to have perve on girls and inform the world which bum they like the most and how much they would just love to be there in the photo with them. Itís weird. Itís creepy. Weíre over it.

We called for support from other good hearted members of our community to post encouraging things, to call out the bad behavior and we thank the people that have done that. However it hasnít been enough.

As such, postings on this page will now be limited to blog posts and event notifications.

Apologies to all of our kind hearted followers who see the true beauty and fun in each of our photos, I hope weíll be back at some point.
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Free Range Naturism / Re: Fear of nudity
« Last post by nuduke on February 15, 2019, 09:15:53 PM »

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One could say "person who enjoys non-sexual social nudity", but that's a mouthful.
So let's try and make it easier...say..an acronym...PWENSN...a little adjustment...PENSIONER!  Very apt! :D


Seriously, and referring to the discussion below on the effect of hippy culture of the 60's, I would say that it has had a profound effect today on society at large.   
The hippy movement brought in a degree of personal introspection and self examination along with a group based social interaction that emphasised more of the anima and less of the collective ego than in the convention driven, more self centred, striving 50s and before.  I think a lot of what we call political correctness, (i.e. the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against)
, the political drive to co exist better, care for less fortunate people such as the starving in Africa and in general a much more caring society was influenced I think by that 60's movement.  Also grasping the right to be an individual or to belong to a different group of people and not be subsumed by the hegemony of narrow options of rigid convention were part of the legacy of the 1960s particularly the Civil Rights Movement and religious and
cultural diversity has gained greater acceptance post-hippydom. 
The assumption that it was right to go to war just because your government said so was deeply challenged in the 60's amid the Vietnam conflict and has I believe contributed towards a more peaceful world (relatively!) or at least a higher degree and incidence of personal pacifism because that was made acceptable.  By the 80's people who had grown up in the wake of the 1960s became not hippies exactly but espoused much of what was positive from the hippy movement thus Band Aid and Live Aid, Children in Need and Comic Relief where entertainment stars led a drive to raise money to care for others in the world that have lesser fortune.  Having stars raise money is nothing new, of course, but in the 40s that was to sell war bonds!
Were the hippies totally successful?  No of course not.  Were their practices all good - equally not.  But my point is that I think the effect of the hippy movement (of the 60's mainly) is one of the most palpable influences on today's more positive morals, opinions and a more caring society.  I also believe that there is something of a counter trend going on in the west with a shift back towards individual selfishness and group nationalism, right wing tendencies etc.  But I hope the spirit of hippydom will ride that storm and emerge again to influence the post right wing world.
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