Author Topic: The Environmental and Human damage caused by clothing is huge and unnecissary.  (Read 10916 times)

jbeegoode

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They certainly aren't covered or associated with insurance companies. I know a couple. We didn't get much out of them, when we tried them. Yet they are on par with the official doctors in many instances...don't get me started on modern medicine and the politics and corruption, the dupes and the pirates....

Right now I've got a hernia agitated.  know that the doc would have me operated on, the most popular operation in the country and very problematic. I'm trusting the internet and my friend's experience before heading to the butcher for hire.
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I had a hernia operation last year. How is it problematic?

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There are complications, it is about miafacia materials and these connect with a complex web. The web interacts throughout the body, so mess with it here and there is a problem over there, kind of thing. It is an incision and a patch and that will effect the whole neighborhood. It will hurt A LOT. Surgery should me avoided as a rule of thumb whenever possible.

Surgery may be the only repair possible, but I'm looking into other possibilities.
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I only had it done because it hurt and even then, I waited for over a year. Maybe I tolerate pain more than some. The operation itself was totally painless. I could even have driven home by myself, although I couldn't have made it to the car. You aren't supposed to eat or drink for, oh, at least twelve hours and I felt a little weak. The incision is glued back together so there are no stitches to remove, which you can usually do yourself anyway. Aside from having my tonsils and appendix out in the 1950s, the only other times I've had anything done was to get stitched or clamped back together from having been in fights.

Unlike one person in the family, however, I do not enjoy going to the doctor. The dentist fills me with dread. I even dread going to the barber, possibly because they both use chairs, only the dentist's chair doesn't have an ashtray in the arm rest. I have an appointment in a couple of weeks with a doctor because I'm being treated for skin cancer. I've already had one spot removed and it doesn't hurt much to have done, just a mild irritation for a couple of weeks. I like to tell the doctor that the only things that don't hurt are those parts that are numb and everything itches. But that's just a joke. What I worry most about is the fact that our primary physician is older than I am (and I'm 72). We don't know what we'll do when she retires. But her son is a doctor, too. They're all Iranians.

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jbee, don't be so silly.  Hernia ops are so common and so routine these days.  If the downside of the pain and inconvenience of a hernia gets bad, then a hernia operation can repair it. I'd get it seen to before the rupture extends and gets worse (as I read they do progress). Most medical procedures have risks and complications associated and one always has to hope they will be avoided or not present.   
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Everything is ultimately a calculated risk. It's a question of what is the greater risk. And cost usually enters into the matter at some point.

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What I worry most about is the fact that our primary physician is older than I am

If the doctor is treating themselves that's a good recommendation. If not, ask them for the number of their doctor!
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I never thought of that but it seems like a delicate question. I'm 72 and I think she is probably at least 75. It still seems like a novelty to have a female doctor, I'm embarrassed to say. A different doctor that my wife was seeing several years ago for a problem with her leg (she had a bad fall) died before she had finished her series of visits. I still think the greatest health risk, and especially so for someone who goes out hiking in the woods, is falling. I do not know if the risk is greater when hiking nude or not.

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My doctor died from complications from a minor surgery.

He told me if my guts popped out on the trail. I had to push them back in, which would be painful, or I had 6 or 7 hours to get treatment before I died.

I think that I tread more mindfully when nude.

I have seen people with more exuberance when nude on the trail and running on rocks that are increasing the likelihood of an accident. But by my experience, I think that nude awareness would help mitigate it.
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Hard to say, really, yet I've always claimed that being nude made no difference. In reality, it does but only a little and you allow for it.

In theory, it seems like you'd have more trouble with insects but that doesn't seem to happen to me and there can be clouds of insects out there some days. None to speak of this time of the year, happily. I doubt being nude would make much difference if you fell down but that's based on the premise that most hikers aren't wearing much anyway, usually just shorts and t-shirt, which gives next to no protection. The freedom of little or no clothing is worth the risk anyway. I've tramped around in a lot of rocky places, so one has to be careful about scraping yourself or poking yourself when you are in the bushes. There's also poison ivy and weeds that will make you itch like crazy, the only solution being to avoid them. In most places, though, the trails are wide open and there is no problem except for the footing.

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Taken from the ‘given up on washing’ thread - was that a spin-off from this?


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One might think that, for instance, that a hot and humid climate would logically result in people wearing next to nothing in the way of clothing. But that is not the case and seems to be limited to only what might be called primitive cultures. The only two examples I can think of are those who live in the Amazon area (who developers have been trying to eradicate, same as we did with the Indians) and in Borneo. Others, though, manage with thin clothing and apparently do not suffer for it. It's worth mentioning that a hot and humid climate (or hot and dry) can have cold weather, too. At any rate, people have been living in all climates since prehistory and thriving, too.

People do not appear to suffer from wearing clothes in a hot climate because they have become so disconnected from the environment. I think people frequently feel uncomfortable wearing clothes in hot environments, but they are more uncomfortable about the prospect of being naked with prevailing attitudes, so much so that many just accept the discomfort as something unavoidable, much as the Yarg people of Tierra del Fuego accepted the cold of their environment without clothes. The ‘Fuego’ name referred to the many fires on the beaches that they used to keep warm. In this case, a kidnapped Yarg man readily jumped ship from the Beagle to return to live with his naked people rather than live a civilised live, which he had been introduced to in England. Still, Darwin considered them ‘the most miserable people on earth’ - not that he was prejudiced or anything......

People may be able fo wear clothes in a hot climate, and clothes may give (mostly immigrant descended) people of light skin colour necessary protection from the tropical sun, but the discomfort of wearing clothing is only one issue.

There are health issues from wearing clothing, fungal, bacteral and smell issues, especially without regular washing.

But primarily, clothing is unsustainable. How much time do we (or non-naturists) have to work to pay for clothing worn when not required for warmth and protection? How much more costly would it be for that clothing to be sustainable? Is it even possible? Plastic (oil/chemical) derived clothing is inherently unsustainable. Cotton clothing is probably no better because of the unsustainable way that it is grown - the chemical drenched, dried up Aral sea being the most obvious result.

There are more sustainable materials we can use for clothing, but most clothing is made in sweat shops in Asia to keep the price down. So ethically, we should be paying much more for our clothing. At the prices we should be paying for clothes, it makes no sense to be wearing things we don’t need.

The immediate perceived harm from wearing clothing in a warm environment is relatively slight but the real cost in damage to the environment is massive, never mind the psychological effects resulting from the banishment of the normal naked body from society.

In nature, resources are not squandered without benefit. Growing a bright colourful tale is very expensive for various male exotic birds, but it has an evolutionary advantage, displaying affectively the health and vigour of the mate to its female partner. Such features have developed and survived over hundreds of thousands and millions of years.

Mankind’s unsustainable lifestyle has to change very rapidly, or face collapse during this century. Clothing is one major contributer. It doesn’t too matter how that change is effected but, one way or another, the price we pay for clothing (and other consumables) needs to reflect the costs on the environment. The cost of wearing clothes in a warm climate is more than just a little discomfort.

 
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I've apparently created a spinoff thread, "What's in your Pants?" This would be a corresponding topic for the article. Oh well, done now.

These harmful chemicals that I mentioned are environmental hazards during production, messing up rivers and the people downstream. There are documentaries on this. One can be found on Netflix. I forget the name of it, there are so many about food and environment.

Now, these micro pieces of dyes and setters, etc. can be up our noses in our environment. Plastic bits are floating everywhere and getting into meat from the sea. These non-biodegradibile microscopic pollutants may, or may not be lethal, eventually. After all our bodies can get rid of the usual stuff, but these substances are new to world history.

The article is about the stuff in clothes leaching into the body.

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Buying into the environmental concerns of clothing and manufacture, if we could do something about this problem...

...Clothing is also considered a luxury. Can we give up the decoration of society? Is it necessary, meaningful enough to keep our displays? I'm looking out the window at a bright red cardinal male all displayed for a female and to distract from the nest, I suppose. Do we choose to make clothing displays in our culture, or make attraction from displays of health and ability, or potential? With gender equality and less testosterone, do we need to display so much? Do we need adapt to a new order to attract mates, or sex? Could we create a culture that values raw health, so fancy clothing matters less? Is there value in displays and if so, does it conflict with body acceptance?

The more nude, the more emphasis on body health? The ancient Greeks had a gymnasium culture that was greatly nude and they sustained this partly by valuing health and sophistication. They put more emphasis on the bodies abilities. I have to think how the nude tribe's cultures selected, or competed. Some are more communal. Some are ceremonial. Most seem to make displays during a ritual. They set a special time and place for ritual and so doing, place more intent and interest into the display and importance to the special activity. It leaves the more mundane time comfortably without so much display and social games that burn resources.

Maybe, there is a key and attraction to the old model of free body culture and its emphasis on health while nude. If we enter this environmental component into the mix, taking stock of harmful clothing, the displays need to be compensated for because clothing is a part of that.

What I'm trying to say is that clothing is for protection and display. Display is for social mobility and sexual attraction. Without clothing, where would we go as a culture? In order to do anything about the environmental impact, we have to address these questions.
Jbee
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