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A Good Walk Spoiled!
« on: March 26, 2016, 12:46:47 AM »
A Good Walk Spoiled (and no golf was involved!)

I went on a hike, about 3 weeks ago, out to the southern edge of the Bitter Spring Valley in the Lake Mead Recreation Area. A strange morning ensued.

One of the reasons I go out there is because of the quiet and the isolation. What traffic there is, is mostly having to do with business at the lake. I decided to do a new hike to explore SN opportunities. This spot is in the same area as Pinto Valley but north of the highway from the hike I did earlier where I spotted the bighorn sheep. (see previous post, “A Walk in the Desert”)

The area is right on the flight path of the eastbound flights and the local helicopter tour companies. One of the problems with hiking in stunning scenery is that non-hikers want to see it also and will pay the fee to do so from the air. The helicopters are usually high enough that I am certain they can no more see me in the background of the desert floor than I could see any detail of them even if they stood on the landing struts of the helicopter. The most I do when I spot a chopper is stop walking for a bit. They are too high and moving too fast to see a lone naked hiker that blends in with the background.


#1 - Bitter Spring panorama

I was wondering whether I could find places suitable not far from the highway. From the usual parking area I headed out to the north. As soon as I was able I doffed the clothes and began enjoying the morning in a much better state of mind. There are a pair of peaks right next to the highway of about 900 ft. above the valley floor. They would provide a good view of the area. The trick is finding an accessible path.

I made my way down the wash until I found a good access point and headed east. I started climbing and realized quickly how not getting enough exercise affects climbing ability. I made it to a point about 230 ft. above my starting point and stopped for a rest. After a bit I took a couple pictures and decided to try heading a little higher.


#2 – Rest site - Viewpoint looking north (sorry, a little blurry)

I then heard the sound of helicopters. Nothing unusual there, pretty normal and expected. Instead of flying in from the south, as is normal, they came from the north. They were flying low, out of one of the canyons and into the valley. Two of them clearly flying together. As usual I stopped and was waiting and watching till they left. They didn’t.

They began doing maneuvers. High, low, back and forth, east-west and north-south. Circling. I don’t normally pay much attention to the tour flights as they are only around for a couple minutes. They generally fly over the popular spots and then head out. They are almost always painted bright colors with company logos. These two were black. Too far away to tell if there were any markings. I knew there was something different going on when one of them set down on the valley floor about two miles away. I could barely see it as the dust cloud was over 100 ft. in the air. The other kept up it’s flight overhead.


#3 - Flying south towards me. The rock formation below the helicopter is seen
in the above panorama just left of center in the middle of the valley.


#4 - Landing in a cloud of dust out in the middle of the valley.
Blocking up the scenery, breaking my mind.


#5 - The companion ship flying close behind.

Needless to say I wasn’t interested in attracting attention, either by moving or getting to higher ground. I stayed put. I was still in my genetic hiking outfit and was getting a little uneasy about what was happening. This was not normal for tours. I pulled my camera and tried to get some pictures but they were not holding still for me while I was in high zoom. Damn helicopters. The pictures I did get are not that great but I was zoomed in enough that I could still not make out any markings. Black, with long antennae extended out the nose of the craft.


#6 - They both headed north, then swung around back to the south.


#7 - After looking at me (I think) they headed back out to the valley and
I headed south away from the valley. Notice the doors on both sides are
open. You can see straight through. Not usually seen on tour flights.

Tour choppers generally fly in level attitudes so everyone can see the scenery. They bank and make turns but their job is too provide a good visual for the paying customer. These guys flew every which way and in that pitched forward attitude while accelerating. They were either doing practice maneuvers or looking for some one or some thing.

Maneuvers, I didn’t have a problem with. Searching was a different matter. If they were searching and had seen something, that meant me bumping into ground support and or whatever or whomever they were tracking. Time to call it a day. I decided to bug out.

I headed back down to the valley floor and the wash. As they continued their flights I noticed that the circles they were flying were expanding. About three quarters of the way down I chose to get dressed, just in case. Shortly after that one of the ships flew south in my direction. I don’t know if they saw me but this one flew west then turned back east toward me, slowed down, about 2-300 ft. up, and while they didn’t stop I had the distinct feeling they were checking me out.

I had put my shorts back on but not my shirt. I stopped and watched them, just standing and not moving. I was making sure I looked like any old ordinary idiot hiker by himself out in the desert. I got a look close up and still saw no markings. I DID NOT take a picture when they were up close. They moved on and so did I. Very weird.

I checked the paper for the next couple days but saw no reports. I’m thinking it was probably just practice maneuvers. Had it been an actual search, I didn’t think I looked interesting enough to check out. Or maybe not.

Sorry for the lack of good desert pictures and the short (sic) report. Strange helicopter activities.
Anyway, I didn’t get the time out there or the distance that I had wanted, only about 2-1/2 miles, but I got a little naked desert time and a good story.

Good enough I suppose. I just hope this doesn’t become regular. They're just too noisy!

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Re: A Good Walk Spoiled!
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 06:45:05 AM »
I'm not a helicopter expert but he silhouette of the machine in picture 7 looks like a Black Hawk which I believe is military only, so your idea of some form of exercise/training seems most likely,  Eyesup.

Shame their timing spoiled your walk.

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 10:12:32 AM »
Helicopters can be a nuisance. I was walking in the Welsh Berwyns when this helicopter came over. It dropped below my horizon and from the noise hovered very low. After a few moments I reached the top of the rise and could see down into the valley only to see the helicopter rising. I believe it was military and to this day I wonder if it had dropped troops off who were hiding in the bracken. .. and I was naked for the majority of the walk

The RAF used to fly rescue helicopters from Valley in Anglesey. Most walkers would give them a cheery wave as we all knew they were there to help us if necessary.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 04:52:30 PM »
I'm sure it was a military exercise of some sort but also made a nuisance when you would want to be naked and alone. I have been warned that the sheriffs department here uses their helicopter to look for illegal activity on the county beaches. As I mentioned before there are many places where "nudity is prohibited" signs are displayed prominently.

A similar story concerning a couple we knew (since divorced) that had a large pool in their back yard. He often worked long hours and would relax with a swim before bed. One night as they were relaxing there was a search and rescue operation in the area. A helicopter with searchlight made several passes over the pool at low enough to stir the water. He later complained to us because he felt they thought they were skinnydipping and should be concentrating at the job at hand.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 08:50:47 PM »
They look just like a current military helicopter that fly around here, traveling to and from Davis Monthan Air Base.

I was out on my stealth trail early on, when four cruised slowly past, going up the Oro Valley north. They make a huge WOMP WOMP sound (nothing stealth and they are slow targets, so just intimidating). Military jets flew to the west. It felt like Afghanistan. They like to use desert areas for practice because that's common where most of the current wars are being fought. The military generally just fly in designated military air space. This is surprising, especially when they should know that commercial flights are going through there low. I doubt that flight plans are distributed much better or quicker than in the olden days when I piloted. Perhaps border patrol has something to do with this practicing, but police and rescue generally have lighter aircraft. There has been much military hardware and surplus being distributed to local agencies the last few years, cheap and for free from the Feds but they are not painted black, that's military.

Back in the late seventies, Tucson got its first police helicopter. Having read "1984" I was not thrilled by their presence and resented them. During their first few days, I was out back in my jaccuzzi getting into love making with a girlfriend. The thing pulled above the house and a spotlight shown down, a circle right on my circular tub. These voyeurs were having fun, all I could do was to flip them off. I called 911 and complained, but these guys were elite and effete. They were patroling for years, mostly poor neighborhoods. Budget and normalcy got them off of their high horse pedestal eventually. They are only deployed during searches these days. I've been okay with that policy and rarely refer to them as skypig (pronounced as "SkyKing TV show") anymore. So. we have drones, now...great.

You were on federal lands, minding your own business, alone. If it had been me, I'd have dropped my pants and bent over, finger extended into the air, and then waved them on. You would have every right to.

Anyway, great report! thank-you,
Jbee
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 08:53:31 PM by jbeegoode »
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 09:21:47 PM »
Quote from: nudewalker
As I mentioned before there are many places where "nudity is prohibited" signs are displayed prominently
Sorry, slight topic drift ...
It occurs to me that where such signs exist, it is a ludicrously bureaucratic and pitiable reaction to people taking their clothes off in a particular locale - that is, where there is actually a demand for nude recreation.  Why can't the fascist officials recognise that their signs are redolent of pettifogging ineptitude and instead of trying to eradicate us with dumb signs, which are  ineffective without policing / surveillance, why not make a "nudity is allowed" area and plant a few trees around to deal with others' prurience or embarrassment?

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 09:42:58 PM »
Sorry about the aborted mission.. (Your hiking mission :)). It must have been kind of creepy having them hover around and twirl back for a closer look.  Sounds like training or extended patrol.  Like you said about the doors being open, that's for a look down on either side, with a scope or binocs.  You might take care in the area if it's being used for migrant immigrant pathways.  I haven't gone back to Big Bend for that reason.

We see them regularly flying from bases to the west and northwest of our country spot.  Every weekend there are at least four flyovers in pairs.  Sometimes smaller ones and other times large evac style choppers with huge sound for miles.  They do night ops too which is a little creepier and disruptive to sleep.

I am fascinated by helicopters and military aircraft.  I like the air shows.  I get to interact with the medical heli teams pretty regularly.  We had regional excercises recently with black hawks practicing landings in urban medical drop points. 

Hope you were able to find a different spot to enjoy a little trek without interruption.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 05:10:50 PM »
Quote from: nudewalker
As I mentioned before there are many places where "nudity is prohibited" signs are displayed prominently
Sorry, slight topic drift ...
It occurs to me that where such signs exist, it is a ludicrously bureaucratic and pitiable reaction to people taking their clothes off in a particular locale - that is, where there is actually a demand for nude recreation.  Why can't the fascist officials recognise that their signs are redolent of pettifogging ineptitude and instead of trying to eradicate us with dumb signs, which are  ineffective without policing / surveillance, why not make a "nudity is allowed" area and plant a few trees around to deal with others' prurience or embarrassment?

John
Yea, the economics sounds disastrous, patrolling an area instead of making an option. A few trees compared to the cost of officers. The local police need something to do, I suppose, a justification. I wonder what the local laws are that these enforce? Nuduke, of course your solution is anathema to free range.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 06:10:52 PM »
Love thread drift. It keeps interesting conversations going! Now for the lowdown on what I perceive is going on here. The area that I am talking about is Fort DeSoto park in Florida near Tampa. The Tampa Area Naturists have been trying for years to get a portion of the beach designated clothing optional. Despite well documented and persuasive arguments for a beach it has been voted down. The powers that be (the money) argue it would diminish the "family friendly" aura of this beach resort area. Others argue that the Canadian snowbirds would go elsewhere, or an undesired element would move in and take over. Despite the proved economic success of Haulover as a model it continues to be opposed. Believe me when I say most people I've spoken to could care less. Just so they stay in their area so no one has to see them. Out of sight, out of mind would be the best descript.

As for the waste of equipment and manpower I have not been able to find any record of arrests for nudity. Tickets may have been issued but they must be under a group of offenses that include open container and beach fires. Most arrests that I saw were drunk and disorderly or underage drinking. I have been warned when out in the kayak to be careful on some of the islands but have only encountered wildlife officers protecting bird and turtle nesting areas.

So I continue with occasional moments of solitude, hope to find areas of solitude and try to find places to work on the total body tan before heading north.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 06:54:54 PM »
Kayak, islands! Sounds like a place to get away. Calm seas?
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 04:33:05 AM »
Problem has been rough seas and small craft warnings on the days I plan to go. Looks like a better stretch of weather ahead so planning an excursion.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 08:25:18 PM »
The noise is the biggest irritant. I was reading on Jbee's sight about sitting and listening to the sounds of the desert, something I like to do when out on my hikes. These aircraft drown out all other sounds. With two of these swirling around, you cannot hear anything else.

John, I am glad there are no signs posted regarding nudity out there. It is handled by a NPS directive that spells out the position of the government with regard to encountering naked hikers. Preferable. Intelligent and mature people tend to handle things better.

Finding a better spot would be nice, Lisa. This one is a about a 40 mile drive, one way. Not far by desert standards, but a bit of a drive. This town is spreading out and it is becoming more inhabited in places where I once saw only an occasional vehicle.

I have considered ranging farther afield in order to find more sites. Development has moved out by the demand for exclusivity. There is a thread here where I once ranted about this. People looking to get away from all the issues with living in a large city are moving out and dragging all that with them. They huddle in a selected spot and start all over creating the very thing they left behind. To me it is confused behavior. Good spots are getting harder to find and get to. I've concluded that I will have to purchase a 4 WD vehicle of some stripe.

Pinto Valley remains my best spot. It's large enough that several people could be there and you wouldn't know it.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2016, 04:33:11 PM »
Kayak, islands! Sounds like a place to get away. Calm seas?
Jbee

Finally Jbee and others, winter population is thinning out. Spring break is pretty much over so I did get to paddle to a deserted island. Once around just to see the amount of privacy there was one boat anchored off shore with a couple into sitting in the sun and reading. Wearing only a PPDFby that time I put ashore around a bend and explored the rest of the island before finding a good spot to grab some rays. When the motor of the boat started and as the sound drifted away there were some sneak peeks through the foliage. When the coast was clear a dip was in order to cool down before spending another hour on this little bit of paradise!
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2016, 06:04:23 PM »
I just wave to the helicopters flying past.   I don't mind if they want to "check out" a good looking fellow walking in the woods.
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