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A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« on: June 30, 2017, 07:35:07 AM »
 I am experimenting with brazen no backup out here and sorting my feelings about encounters.

We are presenting a website that teaches and encourages how to live in free range nudity. There is a point where one may want to feel more liberation on the inside, within the self, to feel less hindered and relaxed.

This Trip Report will often be in the context of my feelings during encounters with other people and the experience of the parties involved. It is also, a trip into a natural wonderland.

This is a Trip Report of honest inner and outer exploration.

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2017/06/30/a-first-experiment-in-the-wilderness-of-rocks/

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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2017, 08:47:00 PM »
I didn't know to put this here, or in the "no backup" thread, but now, here it is.

So, I am experimenting with Bob’s more blatant practice of greeting people and not covering up. I need to verify his wisdom for myself. I need to know how I feel about it. I want to explore my perceptions of what is actually going on around me.

This backpacking experience had encounters when I was the lone male naked hiker, opposed to the Jbee and DF set. There is a difference in my comfort alone, rather than with somebody. It is easier to project onto one male, opposed to two, or more. With a female, it is different again. The odds of coming into a negative reaction increased when hiking alone.

 I was left with the initial moment where, I don’t know what to expect when meeting people, I have this set of possibilities to reference to, and then I just have to see how it goes. I have to see if the situation stays in that referenced framework. It is not unlike any first encounter with someone in any situation on a street, or at a party. I had to tell myself that objections to a naturist hiker are unusual and unreasonable fears. It isn’t just a simple case of this is two people, or more, hiking. There is in these encounters a, “Hey, you’re naked.” This is like, “Hey, you have a gun there and you look like you are aggressive because you are ready for a war.” One has to make a judgement of, “Can I trust you?” I have to wonder, which of these two types of encounters would a reasonable person be least alarmed by. One of these situations in generally illegal, the other is not.

There are other references that may go through one’s mind, these thoughts occur depending on what triggers them. Here are some examples to clarify my points.

Some people get angry about having to meet their shadows. They are angry that they are bothered by something. They are angry that they are not just left alone in their sense of normal. No one has the right to expect a mundane life and conformity. No one can expect control or expectation of others at the others expense.

Some people are angered by their preconceived notions of propriety. They give little thought to the social mores that drive their perceptions. They don’t question. They assume truths that are not truths. No one has the right to expect their assumptions to be universal rules of life. Any religious perspective, and scientific fact, any social standards are up for contradictions. It is a bad strategy to not have an open mind.

Some people become jealous when their mates see another revealed. I am not responsible for the unjustified negative feelings of others. Otherwise, we would need burkas for everyone.

So, it is natural for anyone to find concern for negativity. It is natural to have some apprehension. These thoughts are of the ilk that anyone naturally uses to safeguard themselves from dangers. Like any defensive driving, for example. Sometime they are correct, and sometimes incorrect.

I found myself encountering similar types of thought with each encounter on this trail. It is natural, it is perceptual, but to what degree does it show my distrust and my fears. Walking in a city street can be overwhelming and uncomfortable at first for a country person. One doesn’t know what to expect. Eventually a degree of comfort arrives. A vigilant distrust changes to an ease with the fact that trouble Is unusual. More trust comes. There are signs of potential trouble. One alerts to these in a lesser degree and walking in the concrete jungle becomes generally relaxed and usual.

So, this occurs on the trail as well. Bushes can harbor snakes, one hears noises, but it is rarely a bear, or more rarely a vicious bear. This occurs for everybody.

One strategy that people in concrete jungles use is costuming to gain advantage or hide vulnerability.  On the trail, we are all naked, unless we put on aggressive outfits and display weapons. There is no social advantage to hiking garb. There is some vulnerability in being physically naked. Costuming doesn’t matter if we are interacting with strangers in casual encounters on the trail.

So, we have been taught that a naked person, particularly a lone male is some danger, some perversion, something nasty and not for children. This is clearly not the fact. It can be that that person naked on the trail is an exhibitionist, but that is unlikely. Why would an exhibitionist go where there are no people to expose themselves to? They are not likely to travel in pairs, nor be of any danger. They may be disgusting, sexually explicit, something one would rather not see, but that is not a harmless naked human body at that point. There is a generally clear delineation between exposing the instrument that one pees with and the instrument that one has sex with. These are two obviously different states entirely, one aroused and one minding its own business.

So, I discovered a concern for others comfort and my own. There is a natural awareness in play and there are preconceived notions that are often false and mostly a waste of energy in both sides of encounters. People do stop to think and to justify fears. I need to watch out for a nutjob freaking out and getting ugly, and they have to evaluate and justify their fears, too.

The red haired putz’s declaration had to be evaluated. His pools were empty. My pools were not. Naked people harm children…no, they do not. A protective parent’s reaction creates fear of naked and that harms them.

So, this experiment tells me, as I had figured, that I will become more comfortable nude on the trail, just like I would become more comfortable in the concrete jungle. It will take some time to learn to relax more. There will be an adjustment to the reality of the situation. I can play with stealth at anytime. It isn’t completely lost, and it is necessary out of the forest.

Now, what dangers are there, what consequences and what potentials? There can be a complaint.  This may not be directly a consequence to me, but enough complaints can cause change in policy, they can stir things up and make trouble for all of us. They talk to their friends and create negatives. So, at this point, I would like to mitigate. In the concrete jungle, I stay away from certain parts of town, at certain times, dressed in certain ways. The odds of safety are diminished. Adults, teens and the usual are very low risk for negative reactions. Protective parents are a higher risk. Should I stay away from the part of the forest with these kinds of people when nude? Any authority should plainly see if a law is being broken, and that is all that they have to work with. In this state and most, this means, “have genitals been seen?” People need to see that nude is harmless. It would seem prudent that they know that there is activity nude, and a personal choice. The compromise would be to become legal and cover just the genitals with an opaque something. They will learn that way, and learn that the law covers only that. I don’t see any other problems out there, except the very oddball that goes off aggressively. People in nature usually lose the anger somewhere after the trailhead. I’ll continue to walk I the green jungle and learn and unlearn there.


What do you think? Reasonable? Do you have a different take on any of this? Something to add?
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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2017, 10:24:02 PM »
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I noticed that I didn’t maintain eye contact, kept a bit more distant than usual and we didn’t stop to talk with them. Being honest with myself, my inside liberation has a way to go.
That reminds me of the 1st time I went naked hiking. You step out of the protective cover of clothing and your subconscious starts telling you to go back. When you intentionally don’t cover up your brain, accustomed to years of habit, tries to get you to hide in plain sight.

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I don’t know to be disgusted with my chicken-out self, or the pleased at my cautiousness. I am letting people know that there is nude hiking in this world. I am obviously nude, but I am complying with the law.
Disappointed, maybe, but we all know the typical reaction of parents to try to protect their children. That’s probably an even harder habit to change.

Sounds like a wonderful hike. How many miles? Two nights on the trail and so much naked time is enviable. I would say your 1st experiment was a success! Experiences that should help on the next step.

Duane

Well, I wrote this after reading your website post. So I'll read the above and maybe add some more. :D

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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 10:51:21 PM »
That is welcomed.

The hike in is about 4 plus miles. The hike out is the other 4 miles uphill. It is steep, but that altitude was slowing us down. Once there, it is boulder scrambling for any number of miles to pools. The rest of the Wilderness of rocks trail is up and down rocky a couple of miles to the Romero Pass, then a few miles to Romero pools. No water between the Romero pools and where we camped. It sure is a fun place.
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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2017, 12:46:55 AM »
I have logged many nude encounters with clothed individuals.  Jbee, you are asking the right questions and rationally deciding directions to take.  I might take a slightly different tack here and there, but all in all, I agree with you. 
Most of my encounters have been neutral, where my nudity was not a discernible factor in the encounter.  Other times, authorities were called, things got ugly.  And still, other times, things took a decidedly positive tone, where a conversation ensued and barriers were dropped, along with other encumbrances.  What have I learned through all of this?  The few ugly times are far fewer than the positive ones.  So the end result is better than neutral, so I press on.
I do attempt to avoid offense, but I feel worse scrambling to cover, than simply accepting the encounter.

My 2 cents.

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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2017, 02:08:29 AM »
Good going JBee.  I'm sure you will have mostly positive encounters.  When you act like naked is simply a choice of outfit then its almost always accepted.  Some will be very positive.  A very few will make some negative comment.   

I did hide once when I heard a group of girl scouts approaching.  As much as the girls would have enjoyed the encounter their chaperones may  have over reacted.  The rest of the time I don't bother to hide. 

In all my encounters I don't know that anyone I met in a forest trail ever called the police.

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Re: A First Experiment in the Wilderness of Rocks
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 10:41:35 PM »
I don’t recall if you ever mentioned before that you carried pen and paper and took notes. That’s a good idea. You get a record of thoughts and events at the time they occur. You can always think about them later and have newer insights. I may start doing this. If I can remember. Maybe I should write it down! :D

Some of the comments and observations that caught my eye:
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This backpacking experience had encounters when I was the lone male naked hiker, opposed to the Jbee and DF set.
People that go to great lengths to be out in nature have less worries about others looking for better experience by enhancing their ability to experience it. :) I think the farther you get into a wilderness, the less your odds on having a negative encounter.

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One has to make a judgement of, “Can I trust you?”
This occurs anytime there is a one on one encounter. You have a split second to look at a situation and then you go with that. The 1st time I ran into someone on the trail I didn’t have time to come up with an alternate plan, I didn’t hear him coming. By the time it happened it was over.

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No one has the right to expect a mundane life and conformity.
No one has the right to expect their assumptions to be universal rules of life.
If I wanted to join the Flat Earth Society and believe that the earth is flat, I have the right to do that. You have the right to expect whatever you please. What I don’t have the right to do is to try and force or compel others to the same belief. And, you do not have the right to refuse to deal with the consequences of a failure to think and learn.

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Why would an exhibitionist go where there are no people to expose themselves to?
Good point! Something the average hiker hasn’t reasoned out. A hiker that has never seen a naked hiker before reacts as anyone would. Most likely with an urban perspective. Surprise and caution. After realizing the only thing different is the lack of clothes, it becomes part of the landscape.

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People do stop to think and to justify fears.
A reasonable person naturally thinks about what they have seen that doesn’t fit in to the regular scheme of things. After a while explanations come that fit the circumstance. This is the average person’s version of the scientific method. You can mentally apply a solution and try to reason the outcome. If it fails, discard the idea.

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A protective parent’s reaction creates fear of naked and that harms them.
Only if they react and continue to act out of fear. A 1st time encounter will naturally startle someone, but a cheerful and polite greeting does counteract this. It reminds them that you could be a polite and reasonable person that happens to be naked.

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It is a bad strategy to not have an open mind.
Not only is it bad strategy, it’s a bad idea period. A closed mind is one that assumes that there is nothing left to learn. As long as you don’t put yourself in new or dangerous situations, this is fine. But going out into the real world, wherever that may be, is not advisable.

I need to stop acting and reacting on instinct or preconceived notions. To achieve a level of comfort or confidence not only in myself but in how I think about other’s reactions. To instead, try a new approach or idea that may work better than the old.

Instinct is fine and has it’s place, it’s a great tool. When I notice regular and repeated reactions to what I do, that is a signal that there might be something going on that I need to look at. Instinct will just keep giving you the same solution.

All we ask from those who are unsure of what to do when encountering a naked person, is to stop and think. Instinct will tell you to stop and react. A start might be to try to begin to stop and think. Do that and you will begin the process of discovering that the nudity is harmless. I would justifiably be called out for making judgments about people based on their appearances. How they look, how they dress, etc. Why is it ok to immediately begin to judge someone based on appearance solely because they are naked.

It would be nice to be able to reach a point where I stop worrying about the public reaction, but the main issue is, of course, the legal reaction. That’s the elephant in the room.

Duane