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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 10:09:50 PM »
How does anyone know it's supposed to be a Viking longboat? It's like someone excavating an old house in Iraq and saying they found Abraham's house. But it's okay with me if someone wants to believe it.

And speaking of old Indian ruins, someone sent us a postcard with a picture of Mesa Verde. It's from a high school friend of my wife. She said they did lots of hiking until her knees gave out. Also something about passages that were hard for her to negotiate. Ironically, Mesa Verde is Spanish for "green table" but there isn't a lot of green in Arizona.

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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 12:07:10 AM »
How does anyone know it's supposed to be a Viking longboat? It's like someone excavating an old house in Iraq and saying they found Abraham's house. But it's okay with me if someone wants to believe it.

Viking Longboats had a distinctive shape with a low middle and very high carved ends.  A single square sail hung on a central mast.  The carved picture is immediately recognized by all who see it.  Neither the natives nor the Spanish built anything like that.  There are no records, only the image carved into stone long ago near the Rio Grande.

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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 02:25:41 AM »
"BRUHO" !!! I misspelled it.
Shaman, spiritual person, sometimes respected magical elder. See "The Teachings of Don Juan" by Carlos Castaneda. This is where that all began.
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"Bruha" is Spanish for Witch.   "Bruho" is the male word form.  Google translate says "Bruho" --> "witch doctor." 

Carlos Castaneda was originally from Peru so Spanish would have been his native language and "Bruho" would have been a word to describe much of his teaching. 

There is very little that distinguishes between "Shaman" and "Witch," except language.   
Interesting to hear that it is from Spanish. The people here will use it as a self description. I'd suspect that there are other words for it among the languages, but I hear this and "elder" with something definitive, or English words for wisdom, etc..

The Peruvian bruhos that are coming out are calling themselves "shamans". A Bolivian that I know refers to herself and those in Bolivia as a healer, or shaman.
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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2018, 12:14:18 AM »
By that reasoning BT, you can believe  that everything you've experienced since birth is a dream or a hologram. :D

When we were walking through the houses we had to negotiate the doors from room to room that were barely over 4 ft. high. Some had a 4-6 inch threshold which made them even smaller. I’m not that tall, just under 6 ft. and it was a challenge to walk through some of them. I asked a ranger about it and they said the builders were shorter than us but not that short. I guess it was a tradition of some sort.

We have seen petroglyphs that clearly represent known objects. My wife and I have seen one in a canyon that shows a man riding a horse. There were no horses in North America till the Europeans arrived. He has boots on with turned up toes and a large flat brimmed hat. Cowboy? Bighorn sheep abound all over. No mistaking what is being depicted.

When it comes to representing the abstract though, that is where the archaeologist is usually stumped and must rely on the oral explanations of the descendants. But images of natural events and objects are very reliable.

There is a pictograph in Chaco Canyon, no we didn’t go see it but I probably will the next time we’re there, of the supernova of 1054 (what we now call the Crab Nebula). Considering the time frame of the event and the fact that the Chaco Culture was in full swing, scientists calculated the moon phases for the date and it was in fact a crescent moon.

Here is an article of the Chaco site.

On this website you can see the pictograph with a screenshot of an astronomical program set to show the moon on the date in 1054. Notice the time and date indicated on the program display. Below that, an astronomy photograph of the Crab Nebula as seen today. See how the simulation matches the pictograph. Clearly the rock art depiction is accurate.

The ancestral Puebloans traveled everywhere by foot. They walked or ran. No artifacts of wheels or boats of any kind have ever been found. They lived in a desert. What other explanation is there for a petroglyph of a ship where no ships of any type ever existed until Europeans appeared. Is a puzzlement!

Vikings in New Mexico? That would have to be by someone from near the Gulf of Mexico. I’ve seen the reports of the rune stone in Virginia, likely a hoax, and the evidence they may have pushed inland a ways on the Great Lakes, but that’s the 1st I’ve heard of the New Mexico markings. We do know they made it to Nova Scotia and maybe Newfoundland but I’m not sure they went farther than that. Except for the rune stone in Virginia.

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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2018, 02:26:48 AM »
No offence to anyone but I haven't seen the pictographs to judge for myself whether or not they look like Viking long ships. Some looked just like Eastern Indian canoes. Like they say, don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. Or as Groucho Marx said, "Who you going to believe? Me or your own eyes?"  Maybe the images were made by aliens (undocumented) from Outer Space.

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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2018, 06:53:30 PM »

And speaking of old Indian ruins, someone sent us a postcard with a picture of Mesa Verde. It's from a high school friend of my wife. She said they did lots of hiking until her knees gave out. Also something about passages that were hard for her to negotiate. Ironically, Mesa Verde is Spanish for "green table" but there isn't a lot of green in Arizona.
When those communities were thriving, there was a different wetter climate for them. They couldn't survive in those numbers now.

Also, there are shifts of weather, like our monsoon season and June's  drought before them. The Spanish stop by for a snapshot and then assume that it is consistent.

The early settlers around here got greedy over a couple of wetter years bounty, brought a million head of cattle to the grassland to take advantage and then things dried up and never recovered from the destruction. It was plowed over and paved asphalt and concrete.
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Re: Stonehenge replica at Maryhill, WA, USA
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2018, 06:01:41 PM »
I remember as a young child being able to go up to the stones before it was all roped off. We drove by once back in the early noughties but we were put off by the busy road running nearby and the visitor centre.

If you can get there, I'd most heartily recommend the Callanish stones in the outer Hebrides. I've been there twice. It's really weird. There's a real connection to pre-history when you visit that place, You can walk amongst the stones. They are nice to touch. The first time we went it was dusk and just another couple sitting by. I intend getting naked photos there one day.



Rather prompts me to ask, Karla, whether you and Stuart are still taking any naked hiking or Munro opportunities these days?  The last blogs and reports are now some years old and the guestbook on the site is a dead link.  Have the Naked Munros hung up their boots?  Hope not.


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