From a Pool

[jbeegoode]

In a mineral water pond, watching and aware.

https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2023/10/13/from-a-pools-world/#more-14581

Jbee

[nuduke]

My goodness, Jbee,
the way you write is indeed describing an experience that can only be identified as transcendental.
You and DF seem to be able to find places where you are literally in another world disconnected from the ordinary world of people, cities, work, life and things happening.
What a wonderful way to be, swimming in warm springs and 100% immersed in nature if only for a day and a night.
How I envy you these opportunities that for you two are all too accessible, and how I don't begrudge you them for a moment but revel, albeit vicariously, in your enjoyment and remain grateful to be able to read your descriptions.
John

[jbeegoode]

Actually, it was Friday noon to Monday noon. We're going to figure out a way to spend ten days there, weather depending.

As I wrote, I thought of your pool time in Corsica. Could you relate some similarity?

While there, we actually attended a nude in the water class in which participants were directed and suggested yoga poses and tai chi style. DF taught a nude chi gong class that morning in a small grassy glade.
Jbee

[nuduke]

Little similarity to Cyprus (not Corsica - I made that mistake myself about 100 times in the weeks before the holiday.  People would ask where we were going and I would reply Corsica....no Crete....no Corfu....etc, Somehow Cyprus just didn't stick in my brain.).  Anyway, little similarity.  Remember that my pool was in no way natural like yours, not heated other than by the sun unlike yours and in a non-naturist place where my enjoyment of naked swimming was always accompanied by the need to be aware of anyone overlooking (given that nudity is illegal there), unlike yours.  The only similarity was the joy of swimming unencumbered by a stupid strip of cloth round my middle.  Since the first time I did free swimming naked (at a nudist resort in the UK) many years ago, I have always been flabberghasted by the huge difference between swimming naked versus wearing a swimming costume, even a very brief one.  What is it that makes the little garment take so much of the pleasure out of the swimming?  Is it that one's genitals and buttocks once released from their clothy prison are caressed by the water flow and thus stimulated sensually?  Not so in my case, it just feels rather difficult to describe but none the less 'good'.
Can anybody describe it more eruditely than me?  I seek insight.  Mind you, perhaps I overstress the difference?  It's probably just the "Jbee principle" i.e. that everything is better naked!
John

[jbeegoode]

Oops, again, Cyprus, Cyprus, Cyprus...

I was thinking that you might have had the occasion to dip at night. Waters often are perceived warmer in contrast to cooler night air. The experience of an under world in the body in water and another over world in air, with sight, might have been yours.
The evening darkness especially without the moon can cloak in stealth. I once dunked myself into my folks pool when we first arrived in Tucson and it came with the rental. The parents were out for the evening and I was trying skinnydipping. It was very dark. I swam and bumped into something very icky and mysterious.

I got out and grabbed a flashlight. I had done face plant with a drowned soggy squirrel, which could have been there a couple of days rotting. One of those trauma memories that pop out in dark waters for the last 50 years. Hey, good news is that often you can't see what someone is wearing, or not.

So, yea, about the seemingly small drape of cloth making a huge difference. It does produce lots of drag and so when that is eliminated it is remarkable. My body feels whole, liberated, efficient the definition of "natural mobility." There is a difference in chi flow, which is cut off, even in the sun and air. The body's complex system to regulate its temperatures and no longer segmented is suddenly whole, a complete force of nature. The most sensitive, alive aware region in a body, the one that gets priority because it reproduces is noting sensation with particularly sensitive alertness after being treated as a region to be ignored, dumbed down, even rejected and shamed. A prisoner is released and contrasting freedom is potent when it is first realized. We are meant to be sensitive there and it is often virgin untouched territory. It is a first time, or a forgotten experience of a dulled memory. It is simply repressed and clothing is normalized even though a less natural state.

My perspective comes from an opposite. My norm is nude. I had a swim suit on twenty years ago and just got out of the pool and dressed. I have had maybe two minutes of that here and there since and can't remember wearing one before that, didn't own such a costume since maybe the 60's. So, when those afore mentioned experiences arrived, when a borrowed suit floated up around my waist like a jellyfish and the drag...it was ridiculous, uncomfortable, silly, no it was just plain stupid.

I did have a speedo to swim at the local exercise club for awhile. It was less ridiculous, made not to drag, but its grasp in my waist and upper thighs left a mark and indentation. What was it there for? The bulge is obvious. I still felt that clammy sensation as it was pulled off, and the consequent good feeling of air finally visiting my crotch. So obviously, it still has a remarkable negative effect in spite of its diminutive size and agua-dynamics.

The body has an amazing way of dealing with bacteria, it sweats, and dries and breathes through the skin transferring all sorts of waste, and goodness. It does its well adapted tricks in air and in water. It can't in a swimming suit, especially for time periods and in and out of a pool.

Then, that weirdness of a thong cording, stuffing up my butt crack and rubbing as well! It is absurd. It is uncomfortable.

Oh, yea, nude feels good, feels better, it feels as it obviously should. I haven't heard different from anybody who has ever gone skinny dipping. 

[nuduke]

was thinking about this whilst swimming yesterday.  In a quiet moment with few people in or around the pool surreptitiously hoiked up the back of my costume up my intergluteal cleft (butt crack  )  so that the water flowed over my buttocks.  Still felt incumbered by my speedos.  My thoughts turned to what would be the level of 'uncoveredness' that gave that distinct pleasure of naked swimming.  I now have a theory that it is principally the water flow over the perineum (the bit between the anus and scrotum) that makes the difference.
Any views?
John

[jbeegoode]

Having swam g-string, speedo and nude, I think it has to do with the free movement, without distraction from anything in that region. It does make a difference freeing up under a skirt-like anything, but it hanging down, and not against the perineum. That doesn't touch the perineum but feels good when it floats up and away like a jellyfish. Compaire that with the experience of just walking around in air in a skirt-like thing, or kilt. Even those in or out of water doesn't match the sense of natural that nothing at all gives.

I've got thoughts on that Nuduke, views may not explain my point as well.

It is sometimes the whole being distracted by the spots of coverage. So, any drag, or a distraction of a point on the body do affect the joy of nudity in water. A cord up my crack, the same as a woman's top, or flippers are examples.

There is that thing like taking off the shoes, barefoot all over compared to nude in shoes. There is that liberation factor.

It is sensual to walk in the air, but whole body water certainly gives a great sensation as a whole body at once touch.

There is particular sensitivity at the perineum area. That is the root chakra, where a great deal of primal energy flows, quite central in that map of energy flow seen and utilized by many eastern practices. That region will certainly draw attention to itself by lots of nerves and chi and feel water flow. Still, the whole area experience, the sensitive sexual and genital region are happy when exposed to water flow.

I also think that the bodily areas that are most usually encased feel the contrast more when finally allowed to be naked.

If I'm swimming in only a shirt, it isn't complete skinnydipping sensations until it is gone, too.

I'd suppose that naked needs to be without clothes. Clothing can be attached anywhere, in many ways.
Jbee

[nuduke]

Yes, strange isn't it? Uncompromising, all or nothing _ I agree, even having my glasses on when naked feels wrong sometimes.
I think you highlight in that post, Jbee, that it's not just the physicality, there is a mental component too.  It's a compound thing, liberation from the norm, sensuality, freedom, contrasting feelings etc.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
John

[jbeegoode]

You're welcome about that "thoughtful response" but I had to go back to reread what I wrote. I'm not so sure exactly what I was thinking in that first paragraph....

Well, the introductory line and conclusion line at least made sense.

Oh well.
Jbee