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Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« on: June 16, 2016, 01:59:35 AM »

Ash Creek I: A Trip Report is online at:
 https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/06/15/ash-creek-i-a-trip-report/

A trip a week and half ago. The notes said, "4.5 out of 5 for difficulty, but worth it."
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 05:52:34 AM »
Stunning views and scenery. Are you headed for a designated campground or a site for just setting up camp?

The iron hulk looks like part of a boiler from a steam engine of some type.

How's the lightweight backpack working? Looks like a wonderful trail!

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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 03:05:02 AM »
Stunning views and scenery. Are you headed for a designated campground or a site for just setting up camp?

The iron hulk looks like part of a boiler from a steam engine of some type.

How's the lightweight backpack working? Looks like a wonderful trail!

Duane
Where I left off we were heading for water and anyplace flat enough to pitch th etent, maybe some soil for the tent stakes. We are hoping for a nice spot but fatique will dictate a big compromise if it is found. The designated camping is where we left the car. This is all back-country, a trail with a few signs at intersections. The Oak Flat has a few firepits.

It is a very thick metal, maybe to take the pressure of a steam boiler. That pattern of holes must mean something towards its identification, but I'm pretty ignorant about such things. Any more educated guesses, anyone?

We were with the shared more luxurious, all season, flexible, shared load of 9 to 10 pounds each. Net tent, tarp, air mattresses, camping quilt, stove, water filter, a few extras. It has been working very well for us. Even the ultralight load gets to feeling heavier as the day goes on and a grade like this wears us down.

It feels good and can even be forgotten that it is there, but after a several hours, it feels good to get completely naked and drop it to the ground. DF just got a new schedule, giving us many more three day weekends together. Our physical abilities should be improving with more frequent trekking. We are both very pleased with the setup and looking to improve it. We are very mobile and versatile this way.

I'll now answer this on the Ultralight backpacking thread, to keep the flow and evolution going there.
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 08:35:37 AM »
God save our playground. The mountain is on fire, out of control and it has moved into Ash Creek, getting to Oak Flats. All of the plans that I had to explore the area are up in smoke. Shit! hope for the best.

A lightning strike hit on the 8th, 20 acres is now over 2000. No telling when it will rain. It is very dry up there. So they are making sure to save the observatory, where no one can go. It was just recovering from the 2004 fire that took most of the mountain.
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 05:35:36 PM »
Sorry to hear Jbee! FYI, this fire is referred to in the Fire Incident webpage as the Frye Fire. Took me a bit to find it. Natural fires are a part of nature and you just have to accept the fact. Man made ones, on the other hand, are senseless. We were camping on Mt. Charleston once and a man across from us packed up and left his campsite with a fire still in the fire ring.

Some people think if it’s contained in the ring, it’s ok. I saw the smoke and went to make sure he was gone and we put it out. Ignorance or stupidity, it doesn’t matter. It could have been bad.

The West is on fire! Zoom out on the map and you will see the fire status in the west. We had a wet winter and stuff exploded in the spring growth. We haven’t had rain since Feb. and everything is drying out. It’s a tinderbox.

My son’s 1st BSA summer camp was at Camp Geronimo near Payson, AZ in 2004. I remember checking the camp’s web page for updates and they were posting pictures of the cliffs above the camp. We were already considering an alternate summer event. It didn’t look good.

It was almost cancelled because of the Willow Fire up on The Mogollon Rim. I posted these pictures here before. After the boys went to their activities, I went up to the burn line with 3 other of the scout leaders and took those pictures.

The webpage pictures showed smoke billowing and flames visible on the mountain. They must have been frantic. It’s an old camp, over 50 yrs. old and they were seriously planning evacuation when the fire stopped. Wind or humidity or something changed. Fires are sometimes like living things. Unpredictable as hell. The rains came shortly after. I drove through a monsoon on the way to the camp. That was amazing too! We also got hit with a flash flood in the camp that week. Fire, wind and flood all in a week. Memorable!

The pictures above were just 2-3 weeks after the fire. It was my 1st visit to a burn. Unbelievable!
Hope’s and prayers for the residents and firefighters.

Duane

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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 06:08:31 PM »
West on fire. One excuse for this one to get out of hand (20 acres) was that lightning had started 18 fires at once across Az. and New Mexico. They just didn't have the coverage to fight them all. The whole place is dangerously dry and this record heat wave will make it worse. They don't expect containment until June 30th, if a monsoon storm front's winds without rain don't doom the rest of the mountain. It is traveling down hill into Deadman Canyon (and the others on the north side), also where I like to play. Praying for rain.
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 06:26:03 PM »
Ugh. "Ash Creek" indeed.

I recall a few years ago there was haze and a smell of smoke in Boston, and it was because of fires all the way up in Quebec.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2010_Quebec_wildfires

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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 01:16:25 AM »
We get smoke here from S. Calif. fires. Reminds me of a campfire. We’ve had some beautiful sunsets over the years, but the smell and sight of the smoke always reminds you that something bad is happening to someone.

We had a big one on Mt. Charleston in 2013, the Carpenter I Fire. Closed Red Rock and most of the camping and hiking in the Spring Mountains. It was started by lightening. I saw flames on the peaks above Red Rock. Again, it stopped before coming down the hill. There are trails and camping up there still off limits because of loose soils and possibilities of mud slides in rain and the reclamation still on going.

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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 02:52:30 AM »
Reclamation surely takes too many years, but the Forest Service has been seeding slopes in the devastated White Mountains with wonderful results. Some relatively new product. A non-native takes hold quick, but then dies off competing against the indigenous in a couple of years. Mt. Lemon fires did horrendous flood damage, but now there is some mitigation from the black sludge.
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 03:14:16 AM »
As long as they don’t survive and adapt to the new environment. That’s a good way to prevent erosion.

I used to see something similar in Texas when they would finish a new overpass. The backfill around the abutments was covered in a green mulch that had nutrients and seed in it. They would water it and it germinated pretty fast. Pretty soon everything was covered in tall grass which provided jobs for the guys running the bush hogs.

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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 06:25:35 AM »
They use a similar mix here, that chemical green. It does happen and hold quickly, but it isn't all indigenous and it just can't match the bio-diverse ecosystem that takes years to accomplish. When they put a road in, the embankment is temporary anyway. It will soon enough create need for a bigger road, so there just isn't enough time to create recovery.

That seeding was the only encouraging part of our trip into the White Mountains. For the most part, that entire section of Arizona is grey burnt, or dead hulks of trees with a dab of forest trees here and there. Then there are the more remote creeks that didn't get seeded and all the top soil is gone to bedrock. Oh well, give time time.
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Re: Ash Creek I: A Trip Report
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2017, 04:43:01 PM »
When nature or man alters a landscape, it is always disheartening.

There are burns in Red Rock that are years old. The only thing making a go of it is the 'cheatgrass', which is a prime reason fires move so fast in the desert now.

The native stuff gets choked out.

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