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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2018, 11:49:53 PM »
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guys youve got to remember that women dont think like men.
Vive la différence!
Not in all areas! My wife and I agree on a great many things. But in the one we are discussing here I agree. She is as hesitant as most of the women mentioned here.

Stephen King used this experience in one of his novels. The character was trying to get his wife to discuss something she absolutely refused to talk about. He described it as an emotional equivalent of hitting an air-pocket while traveling by air. You’re flying along smoothly with no problems, the next, the plane has dropped a couple thousand feet, leaving your stomach on the ceiling of the plane with no explanation as to what just happened.

No matter how calm and reasoning you are there is just no getting around the boulder (or air pocket) in the way.

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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2018, 01:02:13 AM »
I think only married people understand this. 

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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2018, 01:24:58 AM »
On the subject of being seen, i went for a walk through the local common tonight, and because it looked empty, decided to strip off while doing so.  Figured I had plenty of time to cover up if someone did appear. I'd literally walked about two steps when a guy on a bike came shooting past me from behind (no idea how I didn't hear the bike earlier because it's a shingle path).  I saw him later on the loop back around the other side of the common - by that time I'd decided to re-dress.  I said good evening, he replied but wouldn't look at me. Guess he thought I was nuts... better not to make eye contact in that case.   ::)

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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2018, 02:05:57 AM »
On the subject of being seen, i went for a walk through the local common tonight, and because it looked empty, decided to strip off while doing so.  Figured I had plenty of time to cover up if someone did appear. I'd literally walked about two steps when a guy on a bike came shooting past me from behind (no idea how I didn't hear the bike earlier because it's a shingle path).  I saw him later on the loop back around the other side of the common - by that time I'd decided to re-dress.  I said good evening, he replied but wouldn't look at me. Guess he thought I was nuts... better not to make eye contact in that case.   ::)

A good encounter.   He saw a naked person and suffered no harm.   He learned that seeing a member of his own species is not harmful.   Good going.

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« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2018, 06:16:29 AM »
He recognized you with your clothes on? Are you sure? ??? ;D
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2018, 11:07:24 AM »
He recognized you with your clothes on? Are you sure? ??? ;D

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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2018, 06:16:04 PM »
Interestingly I contacted the local police about the idea of naturist walking or jogging in the area, and the constable said it's fine from a legal perspective, just that he'd be more worried about personal safety than anything else (as long as I'm not intentionally trying to offend anyone, perfectly legal). Also said that social media has a way of making things spiral out of proportion, so just "consider the location and risk assess accordingly".

Gotta love the UK police...

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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2018, 07:01:50 PM »
My mouth slathers with the thought that there might be a place to roam nude freely without danger. I would be like a toddler making its way out the front door for the first time, in disbelief, "Can this really be happening? Can I really do this?"
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« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2018, 02:12:25 PM »
BTW. The downside of notifying the police - they got in contact to let me know had one call from the public about a "naked male walking in the area" after I went for a wander over the weekend.

I saw about 4-5 people during an hour or so walking - a family (mum with two kids) whom I avoided completely by taking a different route to the one I had intended (just went down a different path), rather than walk past them.  A couple of women walking their dogs, one looked unimpressed, the other just chuckled.  And there were a couple in the tree line (who I couldn't really see since I was in the sun), I heard making comments, so I assume might've been them who called.

So even though I know it's legal, and the police are aware, and I damn well know I'm doing nothing wrong, that's still putting me off going back.

Am I being stupid/too damn sensitive?
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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2018, 03:40:13 PM »
So even though I know it's legal, and the police are aware, and I damn well know I'm doing nothing wrong, that's still putting me off going back.
Am I being stupid/too damn sensitive?

I think that's called "social pressure."   The clothed culture scowls its disapproval and we feel their criticism. 

I understand your hesitancy.  I have had to muster my courage more since the neighbor complained about me getting my mail naked.  I still do it, but it takes more resolve.   Last Saturday one neighbor had a yard sale.  I went (clothed) to see what they were selling.  They are one of the neighbors who have to drive past my home every day on their way to and from theirs.  I'm sure they must have seen me naked more than once over the years, but they mentioned it not at all when I showed up at their yard sale.  We just chatted some about other topics and then I went home.  Not all the neighbors are offended.

It will take several sightings of naked people wandering about before the public has gotten used to it.  It will take lots of nudists mustering up their courage to brave the disapproval and be among the first to take advantage of recently clarified legal permission.   I hope you don't give up. 

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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2018, 04:25:02 PM »
It will take several sightings of naked people wandering about before the public has gotten used to it.  It will take lots of nudists mustering up their courage to brave the disapproval and be among the first to take advantage of recently clarified legal permission.   I hope you don't give up. 

Thanks for the support Bob. Much appreciated. I kind of feel a moral duty to go out and "exercise my privilege" (for fear of "if you don't use it, you lose it").  To some extent though, I wish the police wouldn't bother notifying me that they've had any calls and then I can just carry on oblivious to any criticism...  ;)

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« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2018, 07:26:12 PM »

Thanks for the support Bob. Much appreciated. I kind of feel a moral duty to go out and "exercise my privilege" (for fear of "if you don't use it, you lose it").  To some extent though, I wish the police wouldn't bother notifying me that they've had any calls and then I can just carry on oblivious to any criticism...  ;)

Right you are.  Exercising privileged is the only way to maintain the privilege. 

The new police guidelines say they are supposed to tell the person who calls that it is not a police matter.  Their call to you was an attempt to control you even though their guidelines say its not their business.   Fear and intimidation is a big part of how police work.  All the more reason to exercise the privilege so its not lost.   
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« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2018, 07:31:17 PM »
I'd figure that it could have been the mom and kids. Parents are protective, fearful, always on alert and see what is not there. You redirected, so they may have seen it as a perverted act, instead of just walking down the street and doffing your hat politely (had a hat?). If you had walked past, what would you have done if she overreacted?

It is these potentials that inhibit my personal nude exploits, be they at a party, or on a hike. These myths and stories have been ingrained in me from an early age. It is an entirely different experience to walk on a reservation knowing that i'll have complete acceptance, than walking a street with unknowns, especially when my knee jerk reaction is to perceive that I may be judged harshly.

An example was a party with a group of friends. Nearly all took a turn naked in the pool to cool off, but most redressed and didn't remain undressed in the house, where food and toilets were and a group doing music. I felt uncomfortable being naked in the house in the tight quarters and had a towel as a security blanket, at least on my shoulders. That was me that day, it depends on me usually. DF had no inhibition, she embraced full nudity, telling me how liberated she felt to be able to just be herself.

I couldn't know what I would feel walking down the street. What if I were a woman? Some just don't know that it is permissible to be nude, yet. They see it as civic duty to report the illegal offense. I wonder how your police responded to the call, perhaps with sympathy?

New York has topfreedom, but who's using it?

You are a trail blazer for social change. You are the messenger. There could be backlash when people in your community begin to talk. This is new territory. Change in oneself is often better incremental, or sometimes just better to jump in the pool. So what you're doing is an act of minding your own business, but you can't escape being instrumental for social change an emissary of sorts.

Like just being naked at first, one gains confidence, grace, and natural social human characteristics pop out as practice is had.

Although the police make you nervous, it is probably good to keep close to them. They can help you, as well as scare you and give you the information that you can use as a barometer. 

I find your situation fascinating as heck. I'd love to participate in such social experimentation. I want to hear how this goes. How you deal with it within and without. All I have is the tooleys when I occasionally come across another hiker to understand. I watch reactions, and take note of positives and uncomfortable, and haven't had a negative. Your situation may be different, or maybe not. I want to know, so please, report and discuss this here with us.

If it didn't rain so much, DF and I would be over there, curiously experiencing just what it could be like, as if visiting another planet. ;D
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Re: Being seen while getting mail.
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2018, 11:03:23 PM »
The man in this story lived directly across the street from me:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/25/AR2009102502468.html.

The fact of the matter is, the facts will never be clear. Except that the man was definitely seen naked. Don't let that happen to you.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2018, 12:22:56 AM »
The man in this story lived directly across the street from me:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/25/AR2009102502468.html.

The fact of the matter is, the facts will never be clear. Except that the man was definitely seen naked. Don't let that happen to you.


That's how sexist law works. 

When a man looks into a window and sees a naked woman, he's an evil Peeping Tom. He must be arrested and punished.

When a woman looks into a window and sees a naked man, he's an evil Exhibitionist.  He must be arrested and punished.


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