Pamphlets

[eyesup]

I wouldn't include any sort of personal information, but details of unexpected things that happen are good to know.

Dangers of any type while out in the wilderness are good info to have. Not only to be aware of to guard against, but also to suggest how to deal with them if they happen.

I have always told my wife where I will be, how long and a estimated time of my return. She knows I don't take stupid risks (just the normal ones) so she is reasonable in how much leeway she allows if I am late.

All information is good. If someone wishes to ignore information or advice, that is their choice.

So, yeah! I would include that.

Duane

[Greenbare Woods]

It took three grown men to get him off the trail (was it luck that the next two hikers that came across him and his companion were paramedics?) and three years of therapy to get him back on the job.
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...and fractured her ankle. It took us three and a half hours to get her out, me carrying her piggy-back style part of the way, and got her a walking stick which helped with the rest - dropping down a steep incline.

Yes, these are unusual incidents, but they are the kind that could be fatal for someone hiking alone.   I still go out alone fairly often. Its always a worry.

Bob

[eyesup]

Yeah!

Getting comfortable and forgetting Murphy is nearby is always a risk. It's the one thing my wife dislikes about my hiking alone. She has stopped worrying about the naked part but not the random nature of nature.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

I chose my health insurance because it covers getting heliocoptered out of the tooleys. Something that probably won't happen. I've got a GPS device and usually one of us has a cell phone, but these things won't always work. My son always knows about us, and DF knows about my solo trips.

dbwvogel wrote: "Question; does any of this go into the pamphlet?!"
What pamphlet?

Jbee

[eyesup]

The one mentioned by the guy that wrote the 1st post of this thread! 

Duane

[dbwvogel]

 

The one mentioned by the guy that wrote the 1st post of this thread! 

Duane

Yup, that's the one.

[nuduke]

out of the tooleys

What does that mean, jbee?

John

[Greenbare Woods]

out of the tooleys

What does that mean, jbee?

John

I assumed that was a colloquial expression with similar meaning to "the dingles."   I've heard that expression before.  Maybe its regional.

[jbeegoode]

The tooleys are remote areas. Helicoptered out, means picked up and got out of said tooleys. Emergency helicopter ambulance service costs a fortune (like the price of a new car) and people have been known to get stuck with the bill.

As much hiking as I do, in remote areas and wilderness, in a real emergency, it could mean my life. Snakebite, broken limb and who's getting me out? My hernia pops open and I have to get to a hospital within a few hours, or die. DF dragging my fat lard out on some mountain trail, me slung over her back...nah.
Jbee

[Peter S]

I read recently on a motor biking forum from a rider who had to be airlifted out of some remote woodland after an accident. As the copter lifted he thought to himself “here goes 10,000 dollars”. When the bill arrived it was 40,000. Ouch!

Over here the (very efficient and effective) air ambulance helicopters are run by charities and operate free to the casualties, admittedly we have a lot less ground to cover than in the US. They are the chosen charity of most motorcycle fund-raising events.

Peter

[jbeegoode]

All of my life, I was under the impression that US government had rescue choppers to help people in dire straights, like police. Then, I read about this kind of ripoff profiteering. When there is an accident, three ambulances show up to collect charges.
Jbee

[BlueTrain]

It almost seems like having insurance increases the cost (the price, that is) of health care. But there is more to it than that.

America is a country of laws. That means there are a lot of lawyers. People sue at the drop of a hat and I say that with a nephew who is a lawyer--and married to a lawyer. The money comes from the "consumer," which is to say, the patients. There's more.

I live in Fairfax County, Virginia, a fairly affluent place with a population of well over a million. Yet there is really only one hospital system in the county. There's no way that can be good. Don't get me wrong, though. The care is excellent and I can say that from a first-hand experience, having had an in-patient surgery last September. Every single individual I met, both in the hospital and elsewhere were all I could ask for. The cost, after Medicare (I'm 71) and supplemental insurance was less than we spent on our cat last year. All I can say is, you should have pet insurance.

There are pamphlets about pet insurance at the cat clinic.

[Greenbare Woods]

Health care in the US is a MONOPOLY controlled by the AMA and protected by the government.   Anyone who tries to compete with their outrageous prices is arrested and jailed.   

[jbeegoode]

Yup, "Sicko" was about reality, which has changed for the worse since then. My dog got chemotherapy for a cancer in his snoot, $6000, which is what, one tenth, or one twentieth of a human?

Pets are family members, deeply loved, so yea insurance makes sense from that perspective.

We have done a bang-up impressive job of topic drift here, but I'm afraid that we may be heading into political solution talk and certainly off of naked. Jus' sayin'
Jbee

[eyesup]

Tooleys, boondocks, boonies as opposed to podunk. Out of the way, yeah remote. People choose to live away from all the city noise and clutter. Prefer that to city living but not so far that you have to make everything you need.

Where I grew up, if you lived in the tooleys, you were in the middle of the woods somewhere with more animals as neighbors than people.

Some people prefer it. It has it’s advantages.

Duane