Nude Swim under attack by the prudes

[MartinM]

I thought they still did them but restricted to over 18s only. I remember 2019 Blackpool swim became the target if protests with fascist scum exposing families live in Facebook entering the premises and another one this year in Stoke gave in and banned under 18s after a protest. These places had no problems running events for years and insisted they’d continue until caving into pressure.

They caved in not so much to ‘pressure’ as to threats to their staff. I can understand them taking the safety of their staff seriously, although giving in to these kind of threats is the thin end of the wedge. The nasty bigots are bolstered and move onto their next victim.

[Fishandchips]

I thought they still did them but restricted to over 18s only. I remember 2019 Blackpool swim became the target if protests with fascist scum exposing families live in Facebook entering the premises and another one this year in Stoke gave in and banned under 18s after a protest. These places had no problems running events for years and insisted they’d continue until caving into pressure.

They caved in not so much to ‘pressure’ as to threats to their staff. I can understand them taking the safety of their staff seriously, although giving in to these kind of threats is the thin end of the wedge. The nasty bigots are bolstered and move onto their next victim.

Yes I’m sure threats to staff is a criminal offence and would like to know why they aren’t prosecuted for it. Terrorists is what they are. And as for being all for protecting the children, live streaming families attending these events knowing fine well that anyone recognising them will probably initiate their own harassment is hardly protecting them.

[Davie]

These protesters weren't prosecuted because the Police failed to act. As a result BN made a formal complaint. I understand the Police accept offences were
committed and are now investigating. Attendees were asked by BN to submit any evidence they have from dahcams etc.

I think it's difficult for venues. Their statutory duty of care must be to their staff. With luck the storm will pass and these protesters will move on but regrettably that is not certain. Meanwhile BN is fighting back and is heavily involved in campaigning for an extension to the categories listed for those involved in hate crime.

Davie

[jbeegoode]

Good for BN. A much better response than attacking back. Lawless behaviors manifest because there is no law there to protect and serve. What kinds of threats were made? Serious, outings, or violence? Where do these thugs originate from? Is it a church, or some organization?
Jbee

[Fishandchips]

Good for BN. A much better response than attacking back. Lawless behaviors manifest because there is no law there to protect and serve. What kinds of threats were made? Serious, outings, or violence? Where do these thugs originate from? Is it a church, or some organization?
Jbee

There are online groups of “paedo hunters” made up of people who are sick of children being targeted for abuse online. Some of them got word of naturist swims from news promos and they went ape shit to learn children were involved. They are opposed to children taking part in any naturist activity because they “can’t consent” and believe people at these events are there for sex etc. I have seen some protestors interviews with newspapers too and they look like the losers you’d get on shows like Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer. Sorry to generalise but some seem like they have no lives if their own. Wouldn’t be surprised if many were Britain First members either.

[locksmith]

I went to the Calgary Nude Recreation flat water swim on the 11th. It was the third one since COVID hit. People might have moved on. They are going to do a wave pool swim in the new year.

[Greenbare Woods]

There are online groups of “paedo hunters” made up of people who are sick of children being targeted for abuse online. Some of them got word of naturist swims from news promos and they went ape shit to learn children were involved. They are opposed to children taking part in any naturist activity because they “can’t consent” and believe people at these events are there for sex etc. I have seen some protestors interviews with newspapers too and they look like the losers you’d get on shows like Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer. Sorry to generalise but some seem like they have no lives if their own. Wouldn’t be surprised if many were Britain First members either.

I've seen their BS on social media.   The one I saw recently had a Nudist Family photo from a nudist beach.   I find their hate more offensive than those they hate. 

[jbeegoode]

Many people believe that socially nude activities are a sexy thing because that's how they might react in a nude situation, or believe that they might react in a socially nude situation. They project their own illness on those of us that prefer nude and natural.

I shudder to think what kind of animals "some" that these protestors might be to project their baby eating paedo projections on us. Chilling.

I couldn't imagine my reaction to some low life protestor insulting me like that to my face...ooh, shades of Jerry Springer...tough to forgive something like that, or stay quiet and act like I'm ignoring them. During a custody hearing, I had to stay still on a witness stand once, while I got insulted by the insinuations and allegations from an attorney for being nude in front of my own kid! The judge finally admonished the shyster for being way out of line in his ploy. They eventually had to pay for my attorney fees.

I wonder if the news reporting on these protests makes us look good when giving us a chance to respond in balance, or how many jump to conclusions based on ignorant fears and cognitive dysfunction.
Jbee

[nuduke]

I wonder if the news reporting on these protests makes us look good when giving us a chance to respond in balance, or how many jump to conclusions based on ignorant fears and cognitive dysfunction.

In matters of this nature where one side are extremist (the paedo vigilantes) in views and the other side (naturists) trying to be reasonable, there seems no chance that balance will emerge if there is a debate.  Someone of narrow, entrenched views will usually repeatedly negate the other side's point(s) with repetitious insistence on their own position however frail or fallacious.  Couple that with journo's spin on however they wish to spin the story and I conclude there is unlikely to be a shred of benefit from engaging in debate on this sort of thing with those sort of people.  After all, the swim ban thing seems to be just one tangential aspect of the paedo haters multifarious battle fronts and the incident is likely to pass quietly into oblivion.
That's not to say that naturists shouldn't stand up for their rights, but this can be done so much more effectively from our own grounds and by our own methods rather than the near impossible task of trying to erase views based on deeply obsessed, erroneous prejudice and ill informed logic.
I agree with what Nightwalker said in 2018

"Education is the key, particularly in this time of extremes. Without it, we risk being cast as a group to the fringes, or worse."

John

[jbeegoode]

You are correct if my experience is valid. I was however, referring to the debate presented in the newspapers, where others less zealot may be pondering the questions and positions at hand. Are they influenced by the fruitcakes, or the naturists, or not?
Jbee

[Fishandchips]

You are correct if my experience is valid. I was however, referring to the debate presented in the newspapers, where others less zealot may be pondering the questions and positions at hand. Are they influenced by the fruitcakes, or the naturists, or not?
Jbee

More likely by the fruitcakes

I went to the Calgary Nude Recreation flat water swim on the 11th. It was the third one since COVID hit. People might have moved on. They are going to do a wave pool swim in the new year.

Unfortunately not, since the shit show pandemic hit more protests took place against family nude swims in the UK and another closed it’s doors to BN events last year after it’s own staff were threatened and abused and wooden tops (that’s a UK derogatory pet name for police) stood by and did fuck all about it.

[jbeegoode]

You are correct if my experience is valid. I was however, referring to the debate presented in the newspapers, where others less zealot may be pondering the questions and positions at hand. Are they influenced by the fruitcakes, or the naturists, or not?
Jbee

More likely by the fruitcakes

I went to the Calgary Nude Recreation flat water swim on the 11th. It was the third one since COVID hit. People might have moved on. They are going to do a wave pool swim in the new year.

Unfortunately not, since the shit show pandemic hit more protests took place against family nude swims in the UK and another closed it’s doors to BN events last year after it’s own staff were threatened and abused and wooden tops (that’s a UK derogatory pet name for police) stood by and did fuck all about it.

 What's your reasoning on you opinion of "More likely by the fruitcakes"? I figure that if there is balance to the discussion end of a report people will consider each. The more radical will generally be seen as just that, and the calmer ones more reasonable and listened to. However, with the "era of Trump" influences, there are those which tend to latch onto what they want to hear without due consideration.

Many seeing the "wooden tops" on the side of a group will reject the group as a tool of the establishment...which they often are. Over here, the establishment entities place radicals into groups to hijack, to make them look bad, to create more trumped up charges when arrests are made, etc., basic fascism.

Families and employees being threatened and disturbed for minding their own business is illegal. Complaints, or lawsuits probably need to be filed on that basis, regardless of the issue of social nudity.

If someone is being threatened in this country, there are certain recourses involving firearms for protection. When it gets to that point, the police begin to do their job, getting into keep the peace mode and try to defuse the harassing actors, so nobody gets hurt. or killed. of course, families are afraid to attend events like that.

I'd heard that these heckling harassment, or obnoxious fruitcake groups have been organized in local churches?
Jbee