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Re: Golden Rules
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2019, 03:00:09 PM »
This is probably the bear joke mentioned earlier, but I'll post it in case somebody here hasn't seen it:

IDAHO GRIZZLY NOTICE

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the Idaho Department of Fish and Game as well as National Forest service are advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field.

We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like
pepper spray.

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2019, 02:57:53 PM »
It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.

Some say that effective "bear spray" should be at least .40 caliber.

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Re: Golden Rules
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2019, 03:04:57 PM »
Fifty.

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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2019, 10:37:51 PM »
44 magnum with hollow points. Ruger has one that is short and light for hunting big game in tall grass...good for hunting, too.
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2019, 11:02:55 PM »
My reference to "fifty" was a joke of course, although a .50-70 was what I had in mind. There are no grizzlies where I live, although incredibly enough, bears have been reported in the Washington, D.C. suburb where I live. No lions but I figure it's only a matter of time. I've seen just about everything else within a mile of my back door, although rabbits are curiously scarce. Must be the foxes.

On a serious side, I would recommend a .44 magnum carbine, something on the order of a trapper lever action, if you can find one, if you aren't hunting. One individual whose opinion I respect suggests a 12-gauge. For hiking nude, I don't want a handgun, although a .44 revolver does carry nicely and you won't go off and leave it leaning up against a tree. But I have only seen three or four bears in the woods, so my experience is on the low side.

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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2019, 11:45:20 PM »
No grizzles here, either.

I have a tomahawk with a spike for penetrating...got two flashlights, too. The flashlights are not to good in the day when the bears can see me.

I've been told to put my arms out big, make myself look as big as I can. The grizzles three times or more of me, will stay away, cause I look big...so, those flashlights. Say, at night a grizzle is curious, hold both out like two big eyes. Blinded it will think that you are huge, or use the light to come at you pissed off. If it gets blind enough, step aside as it passes and at least kick it in the balls, before you die.

Milfmog published that joke, I believe, on the SN site. I still love hearing it is all of the versions.
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2019, 12:56:12 AM »
It's easy to get worked up over the danger of wild animals in the woods. Even so, there are black bear fatalities now and then, even in New Jersey. A co-worker where I used to work displayed a photo of a bear on the deck at her parents house--in New Jersey. Most we've had was a deer, which we know only because we saw the tracks in the snow. I see deer tracks in the woods every time I go hiking (and that is within a mile of home) but I don't see the deer that often.

Still, animal attacks are rare enough not to worry too much about them. Assaults by humans are rare, too, but there was a murder on the Appalachian Trail in Wythe County, Virginia, a week or so ago, about 30 miles from where my father was from.

I still say the greatest danger is falling down--especially when you're at home.

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2019, 05:17:18 PM »
One individual whose opinion I respect suggests a 12-gauge.

I've read of one person who carries a twelve-gauge for bear. His load is to have the first shell be 00 buckshot, and the rest are slugs.  The theory is that the buckshot will make the bear stop and stand up, and thus present a better target for the slugs. I have no bear experience at all, so I don't know how likely that is to work.

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2019, 07:50:26 PM »
Here in the east we don't need to worry much about dangerous wildlife. As BlueTrain says, bears are quite common, but attacks on humans are very rare. I used to say "I've seen bears twice, and both times it was a furry rear end disappearing into the woods". But then as we drove on a dirt road in northern Maine, my wife and I saw an adult and a cub ambling across in front of us. Because we were in the car, my wife was able to think it was fun instead of scary! It's true that back in 2014, a man in New Jersey took a picture of a bear, and within a few minutes, that bear killed him.
https://www.nj.com/passaic-county/2014/11/hiker_snapped_pictures_of_bear_before_fatal_attack_in_west_milford.html

But Homo sapiens sapiens, now that's a really dangerous animal, and they're everywhere. May seem friendly, but they're highly unpredictable.

Hey BT, did you hear about the bear in Arlington a few days ago? Ha ha, Arlington, Massachusetts. But that's 8 miles from downtown Boston.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/17/arlington-massachusetts-bear-police-news/
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Re: Golden Rules
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2019, 10:28:52 AM »
one of the many plusses of living in the uk is we dont generally have dangerous animals roaming at will,   though you get occasional lunatic greenies who suggest releasing wild boar , wolves etc.
there are a couple of spots where wild boar are a problem , parts of the forest of dean on the welsh borders springs to mind.
the adder is our only iffy snake, theyre reputed to be timerous beasties that would rather scuttle off, ive never noticed one.

add in our lack of silly weather extremes and were generally pretty safe wandering about rural areas.

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2019, 11:33:50 AM »
I have always admired Britain, the way they have sensible weather. I spent some time wandering around the back roads somewhere south of Carlisle when I was on my way To The North. It reminded me of West Virginia a little, especially the roads. It looked isolated enough to generate stories of feral cattle, wild men and lost travelers. But crossing the continent from Newcastle to Carlisle when I was checking on the effectiveness of Hadrian's Wall to keep out illegals, it seemed quite bare but pleasantly hilly. The wall looked to be in need of repair in places, by the way, which may account for the drop in population in Scotland and all those foreigners in London. I could barely understand anyone.

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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2019, 09:07:12 AM »
one of the many plusses of living in the uk is we dont generally have dangerous animals roaming at will,   though you get occasional lunatic greenies who suggest releasing wild boar , wolves etc.
there are a couple of spots where wild boar are a problem , parts of the forest of dean on the welsh borders springs to mind.
the adder is our only iffy snake, theyre reputed to be timerous beasties that would rather scuttle off, ive never noticed one.

add in our lack of silly weather extremes and were generally pretty safe wandering about rural areas.
For your information, wolves are not dangerous animals, at least not when it comes to humans. They are shy retiring creatures, as easily seen as a dedicated secret naturist (I think they were in the thread somewhere..). Wolves occur all across Europe, including now even Holland,  with minimal risk to humans. Now dogs, they are dangerous animals, with many people injured and even killed (usually children) each year.

A much bigger problem is the ticks which carry Lyme’s and other diseases mostly carried by deer. I’ve had two or three just over the weekend. A few wolves might help by keeping the deer population down.....
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2019, 11:41:02 AM »
Even though there are lots of deer around here in the woods beginning back of the house, I haven't picked up a tick for a couple of years. It used to be something that would invariably happen now and then. I even went to the doctor once about 25 years ago when I discovered a tick on my belly, which resulted in one of those bullseye rashes. But nothing came of it. Anyway, it's very curious that I haven't picked one up lately. I haven't done anything different and I don't generally use insect repellant, which I've never been sure is worth doing.

On that note, given that I've done a fair amount of nude hiking, I have never been bothered very much with insects when I've been in the woods, nude. There are insects in abundance, to be sure, but I've never been troubled by them. They're still real pests, though, and I use the word troubled relatively. When I've gone somewhere for long hikes in warm weather, there are sometimes clouds of gnats hanging around the parking lots but they stay there and don't follow me down the trail. In sunny spots along the trail, there are sometimes horseflies, which can be vicious. There can be ticks, too, but if you avoid brushing up against foliage, you probably won't pick one up. I haven't been anywhere there are many mosquitos but there are plenty around the house. Of all of those, gnats are the most irritating, with their habit of trying to fly into your mouth, your eyes and so on around your head. They don't seem to bite, at least. Sometimes when I mow the lawn, there are clouds of an even smaller insect that behave like gnats. I doubt whether it makes any difference at all whether one is nude or not, given that most hikers don't wear very much to begin with, with shorts and a short-sleeved shirt.

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2019, 10:59:38 AM »
DW and I wear flea collars around our ankles and spray our gators with Dr. Doom.  We use short nylon gators to keep the grass seeds from getting into our socks.  I also slide a 44mag into my hydro pack and have a bear banger in the pack as well.  Mostly to justify a loud bang if anyone should ask.  We have encountered 4 or 5 bears in our 15 or so years of hiking. We’ve had 2 close encounters with bears but the most scary experience was crossing the path of a large pack of coyotes. We weren’t armed, so we picked up large sticks for protection.  They must have been on a kill because, thankfully for us, they didn’t pay much attention to us. One of the dangers i’m on the constraint lookout for is cougars.  We’ve had some local pets get mauled by what we’ve assumed was a cougar and a neighbour lady was accosted by a cougar while she was riding her horse.  (The neighbour lady was riding the horse, not the cougar.) Very seldom do we go hiking and not see some sort of game.  We see mostly deer and woodchucks.  I think not wearing clothes (clothes have phosphates that eliminate) makes us less threatening to the critters in the forest.

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2019, 12:13:48 PM »
Bears, wolves guns wow I'm glad I live this side of the pond but I have to say that my several visits to the US have all been wonderful experiences. If you walk around in the UK carrying that sort of ordnance you'll likely end up in prison. (Firearms and shotgun certificate holders acting responsibly exempted)

I need to point out that gaps in Hadrian's Wall are essential. The gaps allow the malt whisky south and us who live down south to go up to Scotland for The Gathering. This year almost 150 naturists stayed in Dunoon with naked walking, swimming and this year we took over a pub for lunch.

On a serious note its becoming a golden rule to check for ticks after a walk and to be aware of the dangers and signs of Lymes disease.

Nettles are a bit unpleasant too

Davie  8)