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Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« on: May 08, 2018, 09:05:42 AM »
Here is Part II of the investigation of the events of Earp's Vendetta Ride back in March 1882, within a day of free range naturism.
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2018/04/30/whetstone-weekend-part-ii-mysteries-solved/
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 11:10:46 PM »
How far had you hiked from your truck? The solitude is compelling.

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. . . and take a shot of a mesquite tree which has lost its soil, its tap root completely exposed.
I’ve seen the same thing when I’m out hiking. We planted a mesquite in our front yard. A small twig of a thing about 2 ft. tall. During my reading on which one was indigenous to the Mohave, the screwbean variety, I read that a mesquite taproot will drill down 25-30 ft. They seek and pull up deepwater when there is little rain. It also said that if a mesquite grove gets established it’s not good for other plants nearby. The trees are well suited to survive in a dry climate and that they are water hogs and will eliminate the competition. They are a tough and hardy tree.

I see mesquite all the time but never walked in a grove like that. The photos reminded me of walking in stands of scrub oak in Texas southwest of Victoria. Short trees with low branches that force you to bend over and walk makes you feel like you are in a cave. Crouched down and seeking shelter or cover. Totally different than immense tall trees in an eastern forest where it feels like a cathedral.

Jbee, I love the astronomical imagery with Orion and Ursa Major.
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There is an immense white light to the south. It doesn’t move and DF speculates that it is a planet. Still, it appears as a huge stranger. I suspect that the atmosphere has made it grow in intensity, much as the sun grows at sunset.
Depends on it's location, could have been Jupiter, not twinkling, or Spica in Virgo. I looked up the dates for that location and if it was very far south, out of the ecliptic, it could also have been the globular cluster Omega Centauri, the largest cluster in the Milky Way. Was it just a couple degrees above the horizon? If so, too bad you didn’t have a telescope. It is naked eye visible and appears like a bright star, but you need a scope to see how amazing it is.

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 06:28:11 AM »
Those pic of the "grove" were scrub oak in part two. Although, mesquite behaves in a similar manner as a bosque when it has a good deep water source. The mesquite there had barely started to leaf and are mostly stunted.

"How far had you hiked from your truck? The solitude is compelling."
I haven't a clue. I was working off of a satellite image and every distance that day seemed much shorter than my expectation.

We were in solitude. My starter went out the next day; I got stalled at a gas station, but for a jump. We could have been very screwed if not for grace. Yes, nobody would want to go through that gauntlet of a jeep trail in that scraggly old mesquite bosque. We'd have to hike for miles for help...or maybe my son, or nephew-in-law.
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2018, 06:38:23 AM »
In next week's post, we will get up in those mountains where the dominate tree is scrub oak much of the way. There are tall mesquite and other species, too.
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 07:39:32 AM »
Yes, not luck, but grace is a good word choice.
I’ve  read many warning stories of people in similar situations.

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 09:40:49 PM »

Just a passing thought, JBee
When you make a cooking fire, as I believe you often do, is there not a danger of starting a widespread forest or undergrowth fire?  If so how do you avoid it and if not...why not?
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2018, 11:47:54 PM »
Right now, there are National Forest Fire Restrictions all over the southwestern states, drought. We used a cardboard box and a candle to make a mesmerizing fire gazing structure and a propane camping stove to heat up the soup and tea, last week.

When the rains come, we build a fire-pit, piling up a rock ring, or digging a good deep hole, or both. Often a good spot has a fire ring, or a materials for a new one from the old one. They are clear, but often the ground is filled with ash and messes with barefeet, etc. Mostly, we are in the tooleys inaugerating a new spot and liberating it naked.

I use matches and dryer lint and anything around to shave and burn to start the fire. This is usually under kindling piled in a pyramid boyscout style. Then bigger pieces, unless small and hot is convenient. Sometimes a small twig fire is just as warm, fun and easier to function with, especially when wood is scarous or thicker chunks too much time and effort with the tools available.

I check the wind and the brush. I wouldn't build a fire in tall dry grass, with dry grass too near. I watch the flames, the wind direction, the sparks and time goes by.

I keep water handy, a shovel of sorts to snuff the fire, if necessarily and then of course at end of night. I re-check coals in the morning usually, if I'm leaving a site. And am sure before I bed down. A little wind and fires can easily re-ignite with hot coals left unattended.

We eat raw living foods when possible. I have a small cooking devise and pot that I use to reheat dehydrated foods and make tea. It is less than a pound to carry for that kitchen.

CAr camping I have an entire portable propane stove to use on the back tailgate.

Since I stopped eating steak and caught fish, over a campfire, so I don't carry a grill for a fire. A fire is fun, spiritual, warm. It is a lot of labor just to cook with, unless that is fun.

Marsh mellows, kids young and old love these in golden brown perfection.

A while back, the propane was lost, so I piled up rocks in the fire and stretched the pot between them. Fires are messy when it comes to cleaning tools, pots, pans and grills. I do have grills for roasting fish and veggies over a good fire, but I haven't done that for a while.

I make up most of the food, dehydrate, cook it at home, beforehand. Then, it is DF's responsibility to heat that up at camp. I set up the tent and mattresses. We both help each other with these things, when we do. When I spend a few days at one place next time, I might cook over the fire for gourmet fun, brazed, veggies, peppers, tortillas, smokey fish burrito, yum.

So, I inherited my brothers boy scout handbook at age eight. It still works. ;)
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2018, 12:22:31 AM »
There was a fire ban in the park when we got to Chaco on Sunday. Saturday when we left Meteor Crater, the tours around the crater had been cancelled due to high winds. The path was right on the rim and the rangers there said that they clocked 80 mph gusts and no one wanted to go hunting for a tourist from the floor of the crater.

So at the campsite even with a fire ring, fires were banned. We didn’t get to have a fire till Monday evening.

You make sure your fire ring of stone has no gaps, ours was a manufactured one of steel, and that it is high enough to protect the fire. Dig down a bit inside it if you have to.

You also don’t build a bonfire, like some do, so to keep the sparks to a minimum. Charcoal burns clean and hot with very few sparks because it is dry. The wetter the wood the more sparks, you get sap pockets popping and throwing embers. Use dry wood and keep it low so it’s not a blazing inferno. As Jbee mentions, we keep water at hand and a folding shovel.

I built a fire on Tuesday night with a wind blowing, even though the ban had been lifted. I was careful to keep an eye for flying embers from the wood. The brush near our site was like tinder. I kept an eye on it because a fire would do extreme damage to the desert, move very fast and there were people downwind. I also didn’t want to be that guy being interviewed on TV.

With the exception of a couple of wet episodes, we’ve had above normal drought conditions since the early 2000’s. The severe drought in this part of the US is entering it’s 8th year. According to NatGeo we have had 11 of the last 14 years officially in a drought.

When we left home on Saturday morning we heard on the news that there was a fire north of Prescott. They had determined that it had been started by an abandoned campfire. I have seen this personally. My wife and I have doused more than one fire that campers just walked away from thinking, “It’ll just burn out.” Stupid!

Some people and fires don’t mix.

Duane

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2018, 02:29:31 AM »
We visited the meteor crater. I thought it was an impressive place, considering, and had a nice museum. That was over ten years ago.

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2018, 05:32:01 PM »

That's fascinating info about fire craft JBee and Duane,
I knew you would have plenty of safety strategies to ensure a safe camp fire in arid conditions.  I love the candle in box thing for atmosphere whilst the actual cooking is on a propane stove! :)  How ersatz is that? :D
This takes me back to my childhood when we used to go on picnics and mum used to make franks and beans on a camping stove for lunch.
Precautions are easier in the UK and starting a fire more difficult.  Except in the high summer mostly anything you collect of a woodland floor is damp so needs a good deal more effort to get ignited.
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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2018, 07:16:05 PM »
There was video of a wild fire posted on Facebook last weekend, not far from here.  It is still early in the season so brush and grass are not as dry as they will get later.  That fire was soon surrounded and extinguished. 

We don't  have an official burn ban yet this year, but I replaced my outdoor fire circle with one of those gas fire pits, the ones with fire coming out of a pile of lava rocks, and a propane bottle underneath.  It still looks like a fire but a gust of wind can't spread burning embers. 

When I was a kid in scouts we camped all summer with cooking fires and never had a problem.  Other people aren't so careful.  Wild fires go crazy in these parts in summer.  I keep a 40 foot clear space around my house.  And then I plant grass to cover the mud in spring and fall.  Green grass doesn't burn. 

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 03:55:02 PM »
Bob, there is a paint invented a few years ago (intumescent paint) that when the temperature hits a certain threshold it reacts by expanding to several times it’s original volume. It becomes an insulator and adds a couple hrs. to the time before the structure is damaged. Combine that with a fireproof roof and a house will likely not get damaged at all in a forest fire. Unless a window is broken.

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
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. . we camped all summer with cooking fires and never had a problem
My daughter’s Girl Scout Troop once made an oven out of a cardboard box and baked cornbread in it for their supper of beef stew. Put a single layer of aluminum foil inside and out, lift one edge about 1 to 2 inches and place a few charcoal briquets inside, set the pan up on some rocks and the simple oven bakes at about 350°. Clever.

In Boy Scouts my son went on a survival campout and a Hobo oven was used. Made from a large tin can. Similar technique, just smaller. On a Boy Scout Summer camp I learned how to make a cooker burner from 2 aluminum soda cans and a penny. Making do with what’s at hand.

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 06:42:15 PM »
In Boy Scouts my son went on a survival campout and a Hobo oven was used. Made from a large tin can. Similar technique, just smaller. On a Boy Scout Summer camp I learned how to make a cooker burner from 2 aluminum soda cans and a penny. Making do with what’s at hand.
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I'm trying to figure out the 2 aluminum cans and a penny.  How does that work?   (A wood fire will melt aluminum cans.)

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Re: Whetstone Weekend: Part II Mysteries Solved?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2018, 12:06:35 AM »
The point is, never leave home without soda cans and a penny. It would also have to be a very, very hot wood fire to melt an aluminum can. Any Boy Scout knows you only cook on hot coals, anyway.