“None of those things are games. Making a living is serious. "Correct clothing?" What's that? You're the one sounding :"textile obsessed." Or it may be obsession with nudity. Either way, it sounds like an obsession.”
Bluetrain, you obviously are defining “games” as exclusively something done for fun. Games are very serious social and cultural contexts. I’m working with the common definition.
“Feeling” elements is naturism. Seeing wildlife is something not requiring nudity. I think that you are just messing with me, or playing here. I think that is rude and worthless.
“Maybe I am messing with you all a little. You need to be shaken up now and then. Go back and read over some of the posts. If you want to encourage more people to be nude for some reason, saying things like "clothing kills" is going to get some funny looks. Suggesting that clothing is the source of the world's problems is not going to get you anywhere. Something wrong with a nuclear family? Or the old version, the atomic family. Not many of us really live in such a situation. Usually there are relatives. I keep seeing words like pressure, obsession, bizarre, conformity, locked into, control and so on. Make your argument without using any of those words, if possible.”The tenor of this thread was introduced in the first entry. It is meant to be more confrontational. It was presented that clothing obsession and clothing culture does “in fact” sometimes cause death, unhappiness, despair, suicide. We all need to be aware of this. The idea is not just to encourage people to get the kit off, but more to be aware of the obsession and unhealthy crap that it “in fact” causes. Nobody suggested “that clothing is the source of the world's problems.” Nobody stated a problem with the nuclear family.
The very arguments are wrapped around words/concepts like pressure, obsession, bizarre, conformity, locked into, control and outrageousness. They are aptly descriptive. They are strong as the tenor of this thread, but they are truth. They are in the realm of the thinking of both Bob and myself. The tenor is aggressive, rally crying, and no nonsense. I don’t like your nonsensical response, as it insults and distracts from the issues presented.
In a world where we now have full gay rights as accepted, and coming out of my teen years when “ rolling queers” on a Friday night was acceptable behavior condoned by law enforcement, it is now seen as possible that body rights and freedoms can also be liberated. We are not just shooting off our mouths here, if norms are to be changed. You seem very attached to antiquated, or immobile norms in your perspectives.
Nope, everybody is not going to get on the same page of thought tomorrow. Popular opinion will not change law tomorrow, and if it actually did, probably few would feel free enough to interact in public nude ( just look at New York Topfree laws and the social climate and actual usage). That doesn’t mean that discussion, activism and many different kinds of each will not eventually solve these social ills wrapped around clothing and consumerism. Awareness is the key. I dislike you attempting to trivialize the discussion. I dislike your demonstration of disrespect.
Maybe I didn’t set my point across well enough, but the period of the late 50’s and early sixties, I think is a good example to show what is going on today. Back then, a woman stayed home, prepared to merely support her husband’s career, wasn’t entitled to enjoy sex, a was dressed in appropriate clothing, but we are no longer constrained to that BS anymore. Things have changed. One thing that surely oppresses female rights is clothing and the sexuality around it. Women are moving forward, gays are moving forward, body freedom issues can move forward, too. All it takes is another generation like mine to latch on to a new wave of thinking and see enormous social change. In the late sixties, simply seeing people skinnydipping with casual social nudity in a movie about a rock festival made life long change in the majority of a generation.
Trading barbs is one thing, but you fail to notice that there has been no trade here. Although the tenor is more extreme, and maybe just a more extreme tenor for fun at times, the discussion is serious. Please, stop attempting to diminish what is going on, particularly like that is your entire intention for being here.
Correct clothing, obsession, try this a stab at humor making fun of it:
https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2016/08/19/clothing-obsession-a-stab-at-humor/