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I Didn’t Want to Leave
« on: September 11, 2018, 02:42:01 AM »
In August I was in Denver and was making the return trip alone. The quickest route home is I70 and I15, which I’ve done many times. So I decided to take a longer and more scenic route south through the San Luis Valley then west. At the northern end of the Valley is, Orient Land Trust. A couple others on the forum have been there, so I decided to stop to see the place and check it out. This would be my 1st visit to a CO facility.

Their website advised making an appointment so I booked my visit before I left Denver. I expected to be there just a couple of hours. I arrived after a 4 hr. drive, then went to sign in. The main office building looked like an old country store. Wooden steps up on a wooden porch to a screen door and a glass paned wood panel door.

After paying a day use fee, they gave me a token to open the gate. Along the drive I could see campsites scattered among the trees. They looked well shaded and didn’t appear to be too close to each other.

I found a parking spot on a dusty lot near the main pool bath house. I rolled the window down and sat there reading the handouts from the office. One was a small site map for camping and hot springs. The other that was an explanation of their naturist policies. Clothing is completely optional no matter what. No pressure to be naked or dressed. Families including children are welcome. I was a single male and they made no comment. They even have a shed along the upper camp road called a “smoke hut”, for those that enjoy smoking certain leaf products. As long as it’s legal, you can smoke it, but you have to do it in the hut (or your car).

All the buildings had the same basic rustic appearance. Not flashy at all. This place is intended for people that want to spend time as close to nature as possible and still have a few creature comforts. The restrooms and baths are all communal. Although the handouts said that there are a couple of cabins with private restrooms.

While I was reading, a car pulled up next to me and two women got out. They were discussing their plans. I think they were there for just a day visit also. Another woman walked up as they were talking. The driver opened the rear hatch and they all moved to the back of the van and proceeded to disrobe. Time for me to make the leap. I opened the door, got out and began to take off my clothes, leaving them on the seat. No safety net! The three women next to me were still standing naked at the back of the car talking and busy getting ready. After they finished, they each put on a body wrap, grabbed their stuff and off they went. ???

I went to a picnic table nearby under some trees, to get organized. I put my pack on the table and was back and forth to get my things out of the car. After I got ready I walked down to the bathroom at the end of the parking lot. The door was wide open. For ventilation? It was in fact a communal restroom. Facilities for men and women. I stood at urinal and could look out a clear window to my right and see outdoors just as easily as someone outside could see me, full height, standing there. To use the restroom yet be visible to anyone inside or out was weirdly unsettling and uhhh . . . energizing?

All this was new to me but I sort of liked it. I was feeling better, not only about my reactions but others as well. Wherever I walked, it felt ok. I saw teens, young adults, middle aged and elderly in all states of dress. No one seemed to care or notice that I was naked. If they did, I wasn’t aware of it. There was one elderly woman wandering about in the parking area. All she had on was a pair of flip-flops with a towel over her shoulder. I guess she was waiting for someone and preferred to keep active instead of sitting. I felt I was among like minded folks. At least about the lack of clothes.

Because this was my 1st visit to a CO facility, I was a wondering a little about being naked among a large group of strangers. What would it be like? How would I react? How would they react? As I walked around, I discovered that not that many people were naked away from the hot springs. There were a few though, enough that I didn’t feel like the odd man out. My 1st naked social hike a while back with my FRN forum friends, Jbee and DF from Tucson and Ken and Amy from Dewey had broken the ice for me on social nudity.

Most of the activity was around the hot spring pools, 10 for public use. I only saw a few people in the ponds wearing bathing suits. The younger people seemed to be less concerned about the nudity. And I did see young and old either fully or partially nude.

Because of limited time, I had decided to do the hike up to the old mining town. It is 1-1/4 mile hike up a jeep trail and over a 500 ft. elev. gain. As I was headed up, a woman, clothed, was walking back down the hill. Just a “hello” was the only exchange. I spent some time at the old mining town site and took some pictures, but no other visitors showed up. I pretty much had the whole place to my naked self.


The road to the mine and old town.


Walking out toward some the foundation ruins.


The gate in old town, go right to the tailings pile and left to the Bat Cave!
Holy Guano Batman!


A switchback to the upper part of the old town.


A view of San Luis Valley, southwest, from just above Meadow Pond.


Two deer I met on the road.


A panorama of the valley and the dirt road into the property.
Hwy 285, the one I was traveling on, is 7 miles across the
valley at the foot of the mountains on the far side.

The old town is at about 9,000 ft. and it was a cloudless day.  I was getting a great UV treatment from the sun. It was silent, peaceful at the ruins. The temps were perfect with a little breeze. So, after a bit, I headed back down to the main site. When I got back, I took a walk on a trail that circles the central area where the main hot pools are. I considered heading up to the top pools but I didn’t have time, so I turned back toward my car. Most of the pools were occupied and busy with conversation.

Reading from the handout you learn that, OLT is a community trying to maintain a sustainable ecosystem that will have less of an impact on their mountain environment. They claim to be COMPLETELY off grid and are very up front about the fact that they are a fully clothing optional facility, with the emphasis on optional. No requirement either way. As part of their sustainability they just happen to have embraced the core principles of naturism. Essentially, that we are part of the natural environment, our clothes are not. It fits into the whole living within nature aspect of  their mission, I guess. It appears that they are trying to keep those values in the forefront of their effort to bring their ideas to the public. They are trying to maintain a small community where all are joined by that common thread. The clothing optional part is just a benefit. Very refreshing! Of course, at 9000 ft., you will need clothes at some point. The night temps were projected for the mid 40’s.

As I mentioned, it is a family oriented facility, I did see kids, toddlers and a couple of teens. The whole time, I remained naked. I took an idea of Jbee’s and began to jot down thoughts and ideas as I moved around. I believe that choosing to do the hike up to the old mining site helped. I was able to walk a 2-1/2 mile round trip, similar to what I am accustomed to here at home. By the time I got back down, I was more relaxed and at ease. I had begun to realize that most of the folks there were more like me than not. It was a new and uplifting experience for me.

I enjoyed the 3-1/2 hrs. I spent there. I wasn’t camping, so I didn’t have enough time to meet anyone or do much, and even though it’s over 700 miles and a 13 hr. drive from home, I would like to go back and finish my visit.

I mean!! I didn’t even have time to soak in a pool! I’ll have to go back.
I stayed naked until I pulled up, got out and dressed in front of the main office right before I left. I really didn’t want to leave.

P.S.
Jbee’s write-up on his website.
Bob’s write-up on this forum.

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 10:14:41 AM »
Sounds like a beautiful day out, Duane. Glad you came back here to share it
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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 05:03:39 AM »
Probably a good thing that you didn't soak. It is difficult to get out. "I didn't want to leave" could very well change into "Screw it, I ain't leaving...can't leave...I'm too relaxed to get out...ahhhh, yes, screw it all...."
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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 06:19:33 PM »
I've been to Orient Land Trust, and yes, it was a wonderful place. It was a part of our hiking group's Colorado trip a couple of years ago, and we only did a day visit, no camping, but we certainly did not refrain from soaking in the pools! I can't believe anyone would go there and not do that.



Yes, the pools really are high up on a hillside and you really do get the "valley view". The water is held up by dams made of piled-up stones, with waterproof plastic inside.

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 05:16:31 PM »
Thanks for your reports on OLT. 

Back in 1990 the Orient Land Trust was just Valley View Hot Springs.   It was a membership place which limited access to members and guests only on weekends.  It was quite inexpensive for members too.   It quickly became so popular they had a lottery for new members.   

At that time we were living in New Mexico and members of a non-landed AANR club there called "Roadrunners Nudist Club."  Some of the Roadrunners were also members at Valley View so we got invited as guests a few times.  Then we got lucky in the membership lottery and became members.  The place was a lot more rustic back then. 

Sometime in the 1990s the VV management raised prices and began building new facilities.  They built new houses for management and staff, a new "Welcome Center," a new restroom and sauna near the swimming pool, etc.  They installed a big new electric generation system.  With the extra money they bought the old Orient Mine and began the Orient Land Trust.  More recently they have purchased an old farm in the valley below. 

One time I hiked naked all the way to the top of Cottonwood Peak, about 13,600 feet behind the springs.  The hike is about 7 miles one way, and 5,000 feet up.  The back of the OLT property is public land, National Forest, so its all good for naked hiking.   

By 2000 they had a lot more clothing people who only got naked when actually in the springs or swimming pool, and not even all of them then.  Sometimes I was the only person wandering naked around the grounds.  Management and staff were also clothed.  When we moved to Washington State from NM it became prohibitive to go there on weekends so we dropped the membership. 

I did met Jbee there a couple of years ago (2016?).   I noticed more naked people than a decade before.   Much better.  Mosquitoes had just hatched that week and drove us nuts.  Maybe I can post a picture or two. 

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 06:48:29 PM »

Nice report, Duane
We haven't had one from you in a bit.
I wish we had some places like that in the uk!
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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2018, 08:39:12 PM »
Yeah, Jbee, that was kinda my reasoning. I just didn’t have the time.

JohnP, I know it’s amazing, but a 4 hr. drive from Denvef and another 4 hrs. to Durango after my 3-1/2 hrs. at the springs was starting to be a long day. Besides, I wasn’t too sure about staying awake on the drive after soaking for a while.

I also have only a 13 hr. trip to get there as opposed to a cross country trek like you. It’s somewhat more convenient. I plan on returning.

Duane

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 08:40:24 PM »
Thanks, Bob. I wasn’t aware your history went back that far. That’s great.

My impressions in the little time I was there were that no one had an issue with my nudity. I saw enough naked people of many different ages that I think having someone wandering about totally naked but not in a pool area was not an issue. I hope that is the case as I truly liked the look and feel of the place.

I also went online and checked out the hikes nearby and the Cottonwood Peak was one I looked at. Hiking naked up to a 13k+ peak is definitely attractive. But only in the summer!

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 08:41:34 PM »
Yes, John, it was nice and I was sorry to leave. But I intend to go back. Although the shortest route is over 700 miles and a 12-13 hr. drive.

Camping!!! :D

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 10:57:57 PM »
These are a couple of old Valley View photos that I scanned.   
Quite a lot of clothed people even at the swimming pool. 




This is the concrete swimming pool at Valley View. It is chemical free and constantly fed with warm spring water. Summer 1990





This is one of the older houses at Valley View. Rental if you don't want to camp in a tent. Summer 1989





Valley View had a large crop of sunflowers growing along one of its warm springs. Summer 1990



Another picture of the sunflowers, this time with Bob and wife.

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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2018, 11:06:24 PM »

I also went online and checked out the hikes nearby and the Cottonwood Peak was one I looked at. Hiking naked up to a 13k+ peak is definitely attractive. But only in the summer!
Duane

I recommend August if  you want ice free.   Its a good all day hike.  I never met anyone else hiking up the hill from Valley View.   There were other signatures in the summit sign in book.  My guess is that most of them came from the east side. 

My route followed an old mine road and stream just south of the VV property, heading east up hill.  The road runs out, then I followed an old "animal" track east and north until the woods ended.  Breaking into alpine meadows I headed more north and climbed straight up to the ridge and followed the ridge east to the peak.  The north side of the ridge is a cliff be careful.   

Great place to hike when I was younger.
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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2018, 05:50:41 PM »
We stayed nude nearly the whole time, but had to cover for the mosquitoes and cold, not the people. We saw clothed people at check in and dressed to register, checked it out, saw that it was totally optional, and never looked back. As I remember, I was walking in nude and DF cautioned me, that everybody else was dressed. I went back to the car for coverings, just in case. We attended the office nude after that, to read and get information, and did check-out barefoot all over, got in the car and drove off nude. The whole time, nudity was the norm, not even a blink. I brushed teeth, combed hair, and shaved nude at the sink and mirror while mom and the kids tended to their toiletries, one big room. There were doors on the toilets, all in the same big room. I used a shower curtain in the bath/toilet next to the pool, but only as a splash guard, toweling off in public, just like next to the pool. Gotta be careful about washing genitals in public, i suppose.

I did have to take a moment to wrap my head around the concept that I would be doing these things with others there to see, but I got over it quickly. Those others had to adjust, often, too, doing that and also seeing others doing that. There was some hesitancy. The bathroom situation encourages nude use and nude lifestyle.

Swimming in warm mineral water is something else!
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Re: I Didn’t Want to Leave
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2018, 08:38:35 PM »
We stayed nude nearly the whole time, but had to cover for the mosquitoes and cold, not the people. We saw clothed people at check in and dressed to register, checked it out, saw that it was totally optional, and never looked back. As I remember, I was walking in nude and DF cautioned me, that everybody else was dressed. I went back to the car for coverings, just in case. We attended the office nude after that,

When I've been there I frequently spend a few hours at the front office/community building using the computer naked.  Its totally optional.


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to read and get information, and did check-out barefoot all over, got in the car and drove off nude. The whole time, nudity was the norm, not even a blink. I brushed teeth, combed hair, and shaved nude at the sink and mirror while mom and the kids tended to their toiletries, one big room. There were doors on the toilets, all in the same big room. I used a shower curtain in the bath/toilet next to the pool, but only as a splash guard, toweling off in public, just like next to the pool. Gotta be careful about washing genitals in public, i suppose.

VV is one of the CO places that has never had separate toilet or wash rooms for men and women.  The actual toilets have stalls, but even those don't go all the way to the floor.  For a lot of years they had only one toilet/shower/sink room which also doubled as a community bulletin board, meeting room, etc.  One day I was using the urinal when a little girl about 4 or 5 wandered in by herself.  She stopped about 10 feet away to watch me.  After about 10 seconds or so she went running off.  She was getting needed education about men and how men work.  Some first time guests found the common facilities a bit strange, but by day two everyone gets used to it.  Bodies are just bodies after all. 


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I did have to take a moment to wrap my head around the concept that I would be doing these things with others there to see, but I got over it quickly. Those others had to adjust, often, too, doing that and also seeing others doing that. There was some hesitancy. The bathroom situation encourages nude use and nude lifestyle.

They built the new sauna and restroom by the swimming pool sometime around 2005 or so.   Once again not segregated.  It does encourage nudity, and when there I go full time naked to encourage and maintain nudity as normal. 

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Swimming in warm mineral water is something else!
Jbee

Its all good.   The upper natural pool is cold in spring and summer but really nice in winter when you have to hike up there in the snow.   Maybe I'll scan a few more old photos. 

Bob
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2018, 08:43:58 PM »
Yes, scan. I'm interested.

I was trying to remember the urinal situation. Are there urinals?
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2018, 09:09:10 PM »
Yes, scan. I'm interested.

I was trying to remember the urinal situation. Are there urinals?
Jbee

Found these images on the OLT web site.

This is the new bathroom near the swimming pool.  The urinal has somewhat of a niche on the wall.






This is the old bathroom.  The urinals don't appear in the picture.  There are 2 around the corner left, on the short wall across from stalls.  No stall or niches.   




Note the dish washing sink for tent people. The entrance is in the far right corner by the community bulletin board.   I always thought that putting the community bulletin board in the toilet building was a good idea.  Everyone visits there several times each day. 
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