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UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« on: November 23, 2018, 11:23:25 PM »
Mayor of crime ridden London focuses on gender neutral toilets despite study showing it puts women at risk

London mayor Sadiq Khan has replaced female toilets and shower rooms at Londonís City Hall with ďgender neutralĒ facilities.

This has given rise to worries that the changes will be made across the city putting biological women at risk.

The changes have been made in the staff areas on the upper floors, according to sources inside the headquarters of the Greater London Authority (GLA) and the Mayor of London offices.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/11/mayor-of-crime-ridden-london-focuses-on-gender-neutral-toilets-despite-study-showing-it-puts-women-at-risk/#.W_e74DgYxQY.twitter
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Re: UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2018, 08:09:05 AM »
What can be done about the rapists, grabbing women by the genitals? We know that the problem isn't the exposure of women to kinds of assault, but the behavior of ignorant men.

Apparently there are no urinals in the toilets.
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Re: UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2018, 06:37:34 PM »
Paris going public for a place to pee.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-urinals/paris-residents-peeved-at-very-public-eco-friendly-urinals-idUSKBN1KY1L7

PARIS (Reuters) - A new set of eco-friendly but completely exposed urinals deployed on the streets of Paris are provoking uproar from locals.
One of the bright red ďurinoirsĒ installed on the Ile Saint-Louis, not far from Notre Dame cathedral and overlooking tourist boats passing on the Seine, has caused particular indignation.
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Re: UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2018, 09:30:35 PM »
In London they've had this contraption since 2002:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2382831.stm

Dan and I passed by there one night, and I asked if he'd care to demonstrate it while I took a picture. Of course he was willing:
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2018, 11:20:08 PM »
In London they've had this contraption since 2002:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2382831.stm

It seems to me that the more often people find themselves "exposed" in a public place or see other people being "exposed" in public the less sensitive they become to casual sight of other people being bodies. 


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Councillor Judith Warner said: "This disgusting habit is a growing problem and we are determined to try and eradicate it.

Taking a pee is a "disgusting habit" apparently.  Perhaps Ms. Warner refrains from passing water and hasn't taken a wizz since she was 5 years old.  But, somehow I doubt that she eradicated her own "disgusting habit."  Or, perhaps its her misanthropic attitude that needs to be eradicated. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 06:52:42 AM »
Yea, better to pee anywhere, perhaps alleyways where the combined use of many people leaves a constant bouquet for any passersby. She doesn't know that people do this nasty thing when they need to, so better to give them a sanitary, less problematic spot to relieve themselves.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 10:21:27 AM »
Was in a big bookshop in Exeter this week,.   Actually purchased a pot of tea in the cafe.  Then went looking for the facilities...... 2 doors in the back corner hidden behind a bookcase.... Both had a little male graphic and a female one.....one on topthe other, but opposite ways up,  I'm guessing it used to be a maletoilet and a female one .... Both rooms were identical a wc and a wash basin.     Sinple to make them gender neutral by adjusting the signage , has the benefit of no need to queue when there's a free toilet with the wrong lable.

In short I don't see it as a problem if it's done properly...... Indeed can be a benefit.... At the airport last month the women were invading the male toilets cos their queue was Soo long.


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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 12:24:09 PM »
I had that experience at a motorway fuel stop in France, with girls (that is, young women) using the men's restroom. Didn't seem to cause any problem for anyone.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2018, 05:11:02 PM »
Itís quite common, especially among small coffee shops and the like, for the facilities to be shareable. Much more flexible that way for a start, and more economic to set up. Been that way for years without the press getting upset about it. The fuss that bob refers to in the original post is because (a) itís the mayor of London and (b) someone got all politically correct about LGBT issues over it.
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Re: UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2018, 01:59:59 AM »
Itís quite common, especially among small coffee shops and the like, for the facilities to be shareable. Much more flexible that way for a start, and more economic to set up. Been that way for years without the press getting upset about it. The fuss that bob refers to in the original post is because (a) itís the mayor of London and (b) someone got all politically correct about LGBT issues over it.


When its a 1 person space it really doesn't matter who the person is.   It gets more complicated in larger facilities with several plumbing fixtures lined up. 
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Re: UK London restrooms go gender neutral
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2018, 09:58:02 PM »

Wahoo! :D Pop up toilets in the great metropolis!
I must try one next time I visit Villiers Street at night, which I occasionally do after a visit to the theatre or other appointment.  It's the street that runs down the side of Charing Cross station and leads to Embankment Tube station.  Been along it many times.
What happens if you happen to be standing on the toilet roof plate when it decides to rise from the ground?  If it's late and your pretty inebriated it could come as a terribly shocking surprise.  You could end up with PTSD - Post Toilet Stress Disorder! :)
...With apologies to anyone with real PTSD!


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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2018, 11:21:53 PM »
The Pop-UP feature would appear to be a large initial cost and a significant maintenance cost.  The Pop-UP feature would probably cost more initially than installing another urinal on the next street.   Its cool, but why?  Don't people need to pee in the day time?   
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2018, 05:33:29 AM »
Villiers St, the location of the pop-up urinal, runs from the Strand down to the river at Embankment underground station. You can get the train there, or you can walk across a footbridge to Waterloo station, which is the terminus for trains that serve a big section of the suburbs. Beyond the Strand is Soho and the West End, with lots of theaters, restaurants and pubs. People often head home down Villiers St after consuming a happy amount of alcohol, which may give them both the desire to unload some liquid, and a lack of inhibition that allows them to do so in the street. Most of this happens in the evening--during the day, the same street is packed with commuters and tourists, and the sight of men using the urinal wouldn't be welcome. Some might say it's not a fine thing after dark, but it's better than the same action performed without the urinal. It is, shall we say, a pragmatic solution to a problem. Before anyone asks, no, there's nothing there for women. It's blatantly unfair.

Fun fact: Villiers St was constructed as part of a 17th-century housing development on the estate of the Duke Of Buckingham. The duke agreed to sell his land if streets were named after every word in his name and title, "George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham". And so five streets were laid out--George, Villiers, Duke and Buckingham Streets, and one called "Of Alley". Unfortunately it's since been renamed, but not totally forgotten:
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2018, 05:12:31 PM »
Was in a big bookshop in Exeter this week,.   Actually purchased a pot of tea in the cafe.  Then went looking for the facilities...... 2 doors in the back corner hidden behind a bookcase.... Both had a little male graphic and a female one.....one on topthe other, but opposite ways up,  I'm guessing it used to be a maletoilet and a female one .... Both rooms were identical a wc and a wash basin.     Sinple to make them gender neutral by adjusting the signage , has the benefit of no need to queue when there's a free toilet with the wrong lable.

In short I don't see it as a problem if it's done properly...... Indeed can be a benefit.... At the airport last month the women were invading the male toilets cos their queue was Soo long.
I saw the same thing at the Musee d'Orsay in Paris. Long line for the women's toilets, so some younger women were using the stalls in the men's toilets. This had them walking between the stalls and the men using the urinals on the opposite wall, but nobody was bothered.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2018, 07:40:48 PM »
This had them walking between the stalls and the men using the urinals on the opposite wall, but nobody was bothered.

Or, nobody was brave enough to object and tell the ladies to go away. 

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