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Bob Knows

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Re: Hello
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2021, 06:41:55 PM »
HOLY SNOT!! I think that that study just claimed that BEER in BAD for you!!!
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"There is food value in beer, but no beer value in food,"  old saying.   I've been a beer drinker for years.  Beer was my go-to beverage when going out to dinner, or hosting a party back when I was a party person.   

Sadly, the food value in beer is almost all sugar and carbohydrates.   It can be responsible for "beer gut" obesity, and probably also related to diabetes and cardiovascular disease.  All my life I struggled with obesity, and beer was probably part of my problem.  Even wine has got a lot of fattening ingredients.

Since going carnivore I sometimes drink whisky which has no appreciable carbs or sugar.    The alcohol takes priority with digestion supplying energy ahead of other foods, but then it goes away.  I do miss drinking beer though.   Plenty of good times, even if it was hard on my health.
   
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2021, 07:02:48 PM »
No BEER!?!... Well, me too... It can be used as a medication for hypoglycemic mood swings and such with diabetes. Not a good one though. No matter how much I fasted while drinking BEER, I still had weight gain issues after a while. After many years, it was getting in my way and had to go. I trimmed down and found myself very healthy and stable.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2021, 11:40:42 PM »
Thanks for the carnivore tribe info, a few posts ago, Bob.
Happily whilst I drink both beer and wine, I drink very little.  One or less alcoholic drinks per week is about average for me and the Mrs.  Shame really, it's an easy source of carbs to cut down.  Part of my problem is snacking.  I'm often to be seen nibbling the odd nut, a breadstick or a few grapes or whatever.  I try not to do this but I seem to be compulsively drawn to additional input.  I do like a biscuit with a cup of tea (very British pursuit!) but I have stopped this habit because biscuits are a) compulsively moreish and b) extremely calorific.  I sometimes have a breakfast cereal bar for breakfast but that is about OK for breakfast calorie intake (about 200 cals).
Do 'snacks' exist in the carnivore diet, Bob?
John
PS F&C, we haven't 'hijacked' the post - that would imply malice aforethought.  The topic has just lazily drifted as each post sparks new thoughts in others as our topics often do! As my wife says when the conversation drifts, "It's a conversation not a lecture" :D




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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2021, 06:34:28 PM »
I have a thing about compulsive snacking, too...well, for example, starting a bag of corn chip and finishing it in one sitting. Salt and fat carbs, yum.

Lately, at DF's suggestion, I have been focused on eating when hungry. When I feel like eating, I drink a glass of water and often find that I just need water. The other strategy is getting in touch with the sensations in my stomach, which feels full, or not. Hunger doesn't always have to do with stomach not feeling full, but other sensations.

I started the new training with a fast, where I got past the "I'm soo friggin' hungry!' stage for a few days. Re-calibrated, I don't eat so much. I stop when full.

So much of my eating habits are about, habits, nervous cues, mostly derived from unhealthy habits of using food to medicate hypoglycemic/or blood sugar mood swings. Oh yea, there is the simple gluttony that I have been known to enjoy, like high grade chocolate. Or when I'm very hungry and looking for a shovel to eat with, or how my parents taught me to always clean my plate (something about children in Europe starving). ;D

Anyway, it isn't always what you eat, but how you eat.

If I stick to my "live living foods" thing, all seems to fall into place.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2021, 09:50:32 AM »
Hey there. I haven’t been on this site for a spell. Glad you joined.

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2021, 07:02:56 PM »
The more the merrier.
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2021, 10:31:15 PM »
I have a thing about compulsive snacking, too...well, for example, starting a bag of corn chip and finishing it in one sitting. Salt and fat carbs, yum.
Jbee

Snacking is part of life apparently.   What I have done is to keep a supply of carnivore friendly snacks on hand, plus whatever is left over from yesterday's dinner.  It's all good.

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2021, 10:32:49 PM »
I just discovered that a main protagonist of the Carnivore Diet is called Paul SALADino!!!  ;D ;D ;D :o
I read you can have milk and yogurt on the Carnivore Diet.  Is bread allowed? I guess not because it is plant derived and is a carb.  Is that right, Bob?
With eating all meat don't you occasionally crave a nice roast beef sandwich?
John
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2021, 11:20:30 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2021, 07:20:57 PM »
I just discovered that a main protagonist of the Carnivore Diet is called Paul SALADino!!!  ;D ;D ;D :o

There are many advocates.  I'm not personally familiar with Paul Salading. 

I read you can have milk and yogurt on the Carnivore Diet.  Is bread allowed? I guess not because it is plant derived and is a carb.  Is that right, Bob?
With eating all meat don't you occasionally crave a nice roast beef sandwich?
John[/quote]

Carbohydrates are not the best human food.  I would just eat the roast beef and not the sandwich.  Some milk and yogurt has a lot of carbohydrates too, especially if they add sugar.

I just found this study today:  https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/sci-tech/2021/4/7/1_5377644.html

Original scientific study paper from American Journal of Biological Anthropologyhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247

Or, as carnivore humans sometimes say,  "We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to eat plants."   
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2021, 04:57:51 AM »
That article, in very cavalier terms, states that the researcher said. "“For many people today, the Paleolithic diet is a critical issue, not only with regard to the past, but also concerning the present and future. It is hard to convince a devout vegetarian that his/her ancestors were not vegetarians, and people tend to confuse personal beliefs with scientific reality.” It goes both ways, lots of folks are hung up on their meat.

The scientific reality would have people eating what is on hand and popular to them. If you live in abundance of sea food, or a land or time of more meat, or a steady easy supply of veggies, that is what people ate. People ate these thing with different results. Obviously, there is amongst these "speculators" a tendency to oversimplify human diet, or generalize in educated guesswork.

People lived off goat milk, weeds and berries, Think Alaska, fish and blubber. Think of all the knowledge passed down through generations about eating certain plants and their medicinal qualities. Think about the various masticating and chewing configurations that our unique mouths provide us. Think about the varieties of environments that our species has continued to evolve in, as it expanded territory. I doubt that there are absolutes and as usual, our bodies have amazing adaptive skills, that we are just realizing.

Ketosis would certainly come in handing during leaner cold winter times. We can do that, and I shouldn't think it particularly unhealthy, and I periodically fast myself. My system readjusts and after, I eat less, lose weight, am easier to get along with myself, the list goes on.

Bob, I have a question for you. Would you say that you find yourself eating less, or less glutenous, more easily satisfied now, than with processed food and carbs? I am satisfied eating less and my blood sugar is more stable. I enjoy my eating more, I address my food differently. I figure that it may be much to do with what we aren't eating, rather than what we are eating, when you and I change our diets in somewhat opposite ways from each other, but get so much of similar results.

This vegetarian will have a couple of bites of turkey this Thanksgiving. It will be a treat. My body can handle a bit of bird. If it were wild, I'd probably feel comfortable eating more of it. On the other hand, wild turkey probably doesn't melt in the mouth like a bred butterball. ;)

Thank-you for two very interesting articles, but I do find some bias and incomplete information in significant parts of them both.
Jbee



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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2021, 12:21:08 AM »
I'll be having lots of Turkey this year!  Early Xmas dinner with friends in early December and normal Christmas dinner with family on 25th!
Turkey...Yum!  My favourite bits are the drumsticks and the dark meat :)
Only regret - won't have the opportunity to eat it naked! It would taste even better without clothes (me that is, not the turkey!).
John