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« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2019, 11:49:07 AM »
"I'm not sure if you are referring to that, or attitudes of nudity, however. Could you clarify. We naturists have a long way to go, but we have seen a great deal of progress in many ways."

I was referring to both. Now, what do you mean by where do I hang out? I'm in my 70s. I don't think I hang out anywhere. But most of those we associate with are in our "age bracket," and most of them are older.

An event that made me think about how far we have supposedly come was the rioting in Charlottesville, Virginia, a few years ago. Well, my wife's cousin, a woman, is legally married to another woman, with whom she has been with longer than her brother was married to his wife. We don't live that close to one another but we socialize at family gatherings and are always happy to be with them. Anyway, Charlottesville is a university town, with all that implies, mainly liberal thinking. Yet, there, of all places, was a serious disturbance in 2017 with one fatality and many injured. In other words, it wasn't such a liberal place after all. Oh, I know, it was all those out of state people who were causing the trouble but the underlying issues are still there. We aren't so liberal after all.

Any mention of rights gets squishy. Where do rights come from? Out of thin air? Do they have to be enumerated in the constitution (where they will be bypassed and ignored)? When do you have these rights? What are other people's rights in relation to anyone else's rights? Comparison with homosexuals is not a great example. In theory, say some, gay people do not choose to be gay. They just are, irrespective of whether they have a right to be or not. Inter-racial marriage might be a better example. Simply put, does one have a right to marry anyone they wish? Or any two?

The AANR has a long history of wanting to keep nudity private, the idea being that doing so was the only way nudists (card-carrying nudist, too) could enjoy any outdoor nudity. Even that has been illegal in some places in the U.S.
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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2019, 12:19:09 AM »
YA got a right to love anywhich way it is inherent and natural. No arranged marriages, no forced marriages, or attachments. Marriage is what people make of them, they vary. Many can make a choice as to which sex they will attach to and at different times in their lives, Many times more of the population cna choose, or find themselves choosing, than are strictly homosexual.
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« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2019, 12:45:22 AM »
Yea, Bob, ANRR came out of the eras when it was down right dangerous to be nude. Clubs were being destroyed and people were being thrown in jail as deviates. Many of the clubs still fear local authorities, personal repercussions, arrest, prosecution/persecutions, political grandstand voter manipulation. We have come a long way.

But now, the behaviors that seemed appropriate a long time a go, are not valid anymore. Time to come out of the closet and talk about it. Time for those curious, or young to get manipulated into researching, experimenting and talking about it. It isn't nudist that are the problem, but nudist living in fear of something that generally isn't as big and nasty as they think. Assumptions of the attitudes of others, misinformation all play a part.

Even clubs will have a place in a nude lawless land, just because they are safe and provide the camaraderie of similar interests. They are good places for kids.

So, it would seem that a prude needs to be called a prude (who wants that label?), sexual intent needs to be called out for what it is, clothing is generally silly games and seeing/being seen as naked bodies is fun, but not such a big deal. Being naked is wonderful and every body needs to know that, somehow. Is that the conclusion and our message? It does seem very reasonable and realistic to me.

So, how do we get these entrenched nudists out and about? The last time that I sat in a socially nude nudist situation, the person next to me told us that she was a higher ranking cop of some sort and she was clearly concerned about losing her image of authority at work among the culture of her peers. The Tucson cops are are generally more conservative, or backward someway apparently.
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« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2019, 05:30:38 PM »
Well, I wouldn't want to be called imprudent.

I'd say that the nudist club nudists are happy where they are, the same way the people at the private swim club that we belong to (and which only my wife goes to). Who knows? Maybe they don't go anywhere else. I have visited a landed club but it failed to interest me enough to make a second visit. But that was only that club. Perhaps a different club would have interested me more. As it was, it was no different from the swim club we belong to, although the pool was tiny and there was a clubhouse. The people there were certainly friendly enough and of varied ages. But it was way too far away for any realistic possibility for reasonably frequent visits. Same thing with another club in a different direction. I guess I really didn't have any particular desire to see other naked people.

I hate to admit it but (here we go with the labels again) I guess I really am a free range nudist. But you've probably already figured out that I'm probably not like many of the rest of those here. I hope that's not important.

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« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2019, 02:52:42 PM »
Yea, Bob, ANRR came out of the eras when it was down right dangerous to be nude. Clubs were being destroyed and people were being thrown in jail as deviates. Many of the clubs still fear local authorities, personal repercussions, arrest, prosecution/persecutions, political grandstand voter manipulation. We have come a long way.
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So did BN, but BN now is a strong advocate for free range nudism.    It hasn't been "down right dangerous" in the lifetimes of today's nudists.  Its past time for AANR to live up to its promise of promoting general nudism.

 
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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2019, 07:42:21 PM »
Yea, Bob, ANRR came out of the eras when it was down right dangerous to be nude. Clubs were being destroyed and people were being thrown in jail as deviates. Many of the clubs still fear local authorities, personal repercussions, arrest, prosecution/persecutions, political grandstand voter manipulation. We have come a long way.
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So did BN, but BN now is a strong advocate for free range nudism.    It hasn't been "down right dangerous" in the lifetimes of today's nudists.  Its past time for AANR to live up to its promise of promoting general nudism.
Yes, but not just general nudism, but portaging it as a natural, honorable and a safe state of being. Something that is generally appropriate, not just in "appropriate" circumstances.

Yea AANR, there ain't nothin' wrong about it. Stop thinking of it as being without clothes. Nudism is different from just nude. Nudism implies that clothing is the nature of being a human. Nude is just being...oops Bob, we are having a semantics disagreement. What do you think? Is it a time to still let them think that they are without clothes, instead of being clothed as the change to being in a natural state?

Is "nudism" a definition of being natural, or being without clothes? The Webster's definition has been oriented to being without clothes by probably people who constantly wear clothing and are hung up on Latin suffixes.

I think that this is a newer take on our worn out debate about defining "nudist" and "naturist." It is something that might be settled, unlike the former debate.
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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2019, 08:29:53 PM »
Perhaps we all might coin the term textilism, or textilist? The practice of not being nude. That seems more appropriate to our state of nature. It is not unnatural to wear coverings on a cold day, to decorate, but a compulsive need? Now, that is something to be concerned about. Is it pathological?

If nudism is being defined and thrust upon the world as being without clothes, when it is the natural state.
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« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2019, 08:55:41 PM »
AANR is the American Association of Nude Recreation. It's title only tells us that it is about nude recreation, not general nudity. It is about resorts and roped off beaches. It is not about body liberation. It is old hat and geared to promote segregated nude commercial activities.

The Naturist Society doesn't have that mandate. It came out of the free beach movement, which was not just about compromising by establishing nude beaches, but body rights and freedom. Reading the magazine, which is its major way of communicating what it is about and its main self perpetuation, it supports free range naturism. It just published my article about nude hiking and mentioned my free range naturist website. NAC a branch of it, supports us by covering law, protecting nude rights, and informing people with information that keeps free range naturists from getting into legal difficulties. NEC another branch informs about naturism in general.

I see AANR expanding by mentioning free range, but their stated philosophy and mission is rooted and still claims that nude bodies are inappropriate in most settings, something is wrong with nudity.

This tells me where to put my support. It makes me feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot to support AANR. They have their place, but not as the face of naturism, body rights, free range, or uncovering the inherent reality under the facade of social propriety.
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« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2019, 10:09:34 PM »
I Like This Guys Style:

He produced a video about free range hiking in Colorado. His demeanor is frank, personal and wholesome. It is however, too bad to be sitting in the adult section of Youtube a click or two away from and mixed in with all sorts of voyeur stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJsiHkIRuU

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« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2019, 10:17:29 PM »
"Letís do all this to promote nudism" is a lengthy article, well put and quite zealous and energetic. He has some fresh ideas in there and some interesting resources.

https://rfgjga1992.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/lets-do-all-this-to-promote-nudism/

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« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2019, 02:33:37 PM »
"Letís do all this to promote nudism" is a lengthy article, well put and quite zealous and energetic. He has some fresh ideas in there and some interesting resources.

https://rfgjga1992.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/lets-do-all-this-to-promote-nudism/
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Good article, good ideas.  We can all do stuff like that. 
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