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« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2020, 08:25:12 PM »
Large numbers of Indians, at least those who are Hindus, are vegetarians. However, the reasoning behind that is ethical, rather than because of medical reasons (as opposed to nutritional reasons).

I suspect few of them utilize sunscreen, though.

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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2020, 09:53:42 PM »
Large numbers of Indians, at least those who are Hindus, are vegetarians. However, the reasoning behind that is ethical, rather than because of medical reasons (as opposed to nutritional reasons).

I suspect few of them utilize sunscreen, though.

India has the highest rate of death from Cardiovascular disease compared to any other country.  They also have perhaps the highest percentage of vegetarians.  There is a strong correlation.

Indian people have a darker color skin typical of all those who have lived in low latitudes so they don't need sunscreen.
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Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2020, 10:40:24 PM »
It's a wonder there are so many of them.

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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2020, 08:40:36 PM »
India is a tough place to live. It can be very stressful, food isn't always coming, there are virus issues everywhere and there are a billion of them. I don't think that is a good correlation at all. It is way too broad a sampling, too many variables.

When visiting, I have been amazed that they are as healthy as they are.
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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2020, 11:55:23 PM »
I'd say take everything Bob says with a grain of salt, except it's bad for your blood pressure. Care to tell us where your "fact" about India came from, Bob?

This map says something different:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image%20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=5491406_fx1.jpg

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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2020, 01:21:58 AM »
It's not difficult to find information about diet (that is, food), cooking and eating, although frankly, the eating part doesn't get mentioned very often. I suppose most of it is fairly good (the information, not the food) but there is so much information, it starts to become contradictory and confusing. I think the trouble starts when someone decides that they've discovered something new and is absolutely certain that they've discovered the secret of life, or at least a longer and better life. Could that be possible? There is always  someone saying they've discovered something new, like a secret code, in the Bible. More likely, they're just looking for loopholes. Others are looking for the fountain of youth, something to make their hair the color it was when they were 21 and the same amount, while they're at it.

Well, anyway, I suppose it's normal to want a more or less healthful life and not a short one. There's no doubt that our age will catch up with us no matter how fast we jog and I do see lots of joggers where I live, though none my age. I do occasionally see a sprightly old man about ten years older than me, making him in his early 80s, walking around the neighborhood. He happens to be Chinese and lived in Hong Kong all through the war.

Let's look at it from a naturist perspective, and by that I do not mean just a nudist perspective. A pair of shorts does not especially detract from your health and longevity or at least not enough to notice.

Naturism originally evolved over concerns about health, specifically about urban dwellers. The health of the nation was at risk. That was in Germany in the late 19th century, you probably know. The general principles remain valid and are still recommended by people who have never heard of naturism.

The first thing is good nutrition. That's where we came in. Lay off the drugs, tobacco, alcohol, go easy on deserts, and eat a variety of foods. You probably aren't doing any heavy work, so don't eat too much, either. I seriously doubt that any commercially available foods are so impure as to be dangerous to your health but if something doesn't agree with you or even worse, you have allergic reactions to something, well, you probably know that already. Eat at home, though, don't stop at McDonalds.

Drink plenty of water, too, although one writer suggested not with meals, which surprised me. Drinking plenty of water will help keep the food you ate from just sitting there and so will exercise. Taking a bath or shower every day is probably a good idea, although there have been contrary ideas expressed here lately. When I was little, a once a week bath was considered adequate and this was with men who went out and actually worked. But I feel better having taken a shower, which I'm going to do in a few minutes.

You probably already get out in the sun and fresh air as much as you can, which is good, assuming the air is fresh where you live. In industrial cities in 1900 and for long afterwards, it was anything but fresh. I don't know where the smokestack industries are in this country these days but my son-in-law after being stationed in Korea informs us that the air pollution in northern China is so bad that it basically pollutes the air in Korea, too. It's been cloudy here lately but the air is as nice as it can be. I think the subject of forest bathing has been brought up before.

I have fair skin, so I have to be careful in the sun and just like toast, I'll burn if I'm not careful. But nudist in particular have always been sun-worshippers. I believe though that exposure of the body to the air is just as important to health and well-being. But I can't quantify it, except that you don't need "air screen." It might be that if you need sun screen, you're already out in the sun too much. Mad dogs and Englishmen, you know.

This hardly exhausts what might be said on these subjects. The only bit of personal advice (I haven't noted any new discoveries here) is to do your best not to fall off a ladder. In fact, the only advice the old (but not elderly) Chinese neighbor ever gave me was to never get on my roof.

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Re: Sunscreen Health Issues and Solutions
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2020, 09:01:19 AM »
The only sure thing about nutritional advise is that theres someone somewhere saying the opposite

It appears all research is either paid for by someone trying to sell something or conducted by someone trying to prove a point to build their reputation

Even the grain of salt causing high blood pressure has its opponents😊


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« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2020, 12:42:13 PM »
The usual unspoken assumption is that you're getting enough to eat in the first place, which may not be true. As far as salt goes, I use plenty. But I don't use sodium at all. Some very ordinary foods like pinto beans taste better with lots of salt (and some chili powder). And everyone knows how good potato chips (crisps) taste.

Is there a belief that if something tastes good, it's bad for you?

I rather like bacon but we don't eat it because cooking bacon really puts a lot of grease into the air in the kitchen and eventually coats everything around the stove. There was a joke in the comics a week or two ago: "What do you call someone who doesn't eat meat, except for bacon?"

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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2020, 04:02:51 PM »
... As far as salt goes, I use plenty. But I don't use sodium at all...

What, you eat the chlorine and leave the sodium on the side of the plate?

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2020, 06:16:58 PM »
It has been said that we evolved to biped chasing meat around the savanna. Also, that apes are vegetarians and the incisor fangs are for combat and selective competitive breeding dominance. Have apes always lived in the lush jungle? Was there an ancient carnivore ancestor? There are people everywhere eating anything. Some eat more meat, more fish, more veggies, seasonal, local, bugs, but they can eat any which way. I figure there are clues to optimal health as there are good reasons to not consume, lightly, or over indulge lots of diets.

There are all sorts of propaganda claims out there as Ric states. The meat industry, I'm told, has recently published a load of contradictions, and for unethical reasons. The meat industry has been sick with lies, bullying, lobbyist, corruption, since the cattle barons of yore.

I don't have time to go through it, now, but there are very good arguments showing how we evolved vegetarian. I'll gather it up someday soon. Gamechangersmovie.com has a very interesting movie out.

I'll stick with mostly live living food, personally, mostly veggies. We can adapt to radical eating and even thrive for a while, we survived that way. Long term, I think some variety is the spice of life.
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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2020, 08:05:41 PM »
This has been an exceptionally lively topic. Thanks for all of the various perspectives.
My food philosophy has been "If it's not food, don't eat it!"  Read the damn labels!
I believe in mindful consumption. Giving food a serious consideration will held you feel better about your choices. I think that is incredibly important to your physical health.
My 2 cents.
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« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2020, 02:38:42 PM »
I'll stick with mostly live living food, personally, mostly veggies. We can adapt to radical eating and even thrive for a while, we survived that way. Long term, I think some variety is the spice of life. Jbee

I do hope you fully recover from your year long illnesses.   Be well my friend. 
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« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2020, 05:47:56 PM »
I've been doing well, just getting over being weakened by being bedridden and that's shaking itself out. I'm getting much more energetic. I had to eat more antibiotics for a tooth extraction a couple of weeks ago, so I'm doing supplements to fix what they took away.

Yes, twice last year I was prescribed amoxicillin and then got a long sickness of virus and a bacterial infection. I think that there is a correlation, but the doctor says probably not, because there is no statistical evidence of the millions who take it each year. Nobody has seriously checked, made the statistical study. They're too busy selling the drug.

Part of it was the complications caused from enlarged prostate. 60% to 70% of guys my age have that, but in my case it contributed, I was told. Prostrate specialist Doc (who must have been in his 80's) says that if I don't have to get up more than two times a night and can pee and hit the wall two feet away, I'm good and let it ride.

A great deal of it was the poorly functioning medical business model delaying the tests and then the cure. Three months of suffering should obviously have been one month. In Mexico, I'd probably been fine in a week with the shotgun medicine for ecoli that they prescribe. I suspect from just how I felt, that an overload of stressors was contributing, too. It was a tough year health and financial. It often felt like a trap.

At least I now know that the tests tell me that I'm healthy, no cancers, nothing else and now I'll improve on that.
Jbee

 
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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2020, 10:38:26 PM »
Coincidentally, there was an article appearing in today's Washington Post, in the food section, that suggested (or claimed) that supplements are mostly worthless. They're referring to the stuff you can buy in a so-called health food store.

The funny thing, which isn't funny, is that some people seem to believe something they read on-line over what their doctor tells them. They'll go along with the anti-vaccine, unchlorinated water, raw milk crowd over what the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control will say. It makes me think of the joke, "Anyone who drinks water deserves whatever happens to them." I think that some people also think that if certain people get sick, they deserve it and we shouldn't do anything about it, which is no joke. There's a lot of denial concerning diseases.
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« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2020, 04:23:39 AM »
I am not one to argue, but the Washington Post article I read says nothing about health food stores. The supplements they referred to can be bought at Walgreens, Walmart or any other suppliers of things that are supposed to be good for us.
I don't have chlorinated or fluorinated water and prefer raw milk to the highly pasteurized (ie. refined) milk.
We all have to decide what's right for us.  I will decide for me and will try not to get too deep in criticizing your choices. Just don't assume what you see working for you is what everyone else should be doing.
Peace out!
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