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jbeegoode

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On Saving Naturist Literature
« on: July 23, 2019, 07:41:00 PM »
The week without FRN, brought up some of the old trauma of the demise of The Secret Naturist Societyís loss.  In spite of the banter, I believe that this site is now a wealth of information on pertinent naturist topics and a piece of literature. It is good for the newbie. It is good for the newly enthused. It is good stuff to have access to for memory and research. It a fun place to wander through. It is important.

Bluetrain wrote, ďIt is said that anything written on the internet is there forever but I have my doubts. All good things must come to an end someday.Ē

"All things must pass," I think is the popular line. I am curator of several venerable old pieces of information and collections of cool stuff, for example, a personal library. Some good things hold, but, yup, Bluetrain, you nailed it, stuff passes on the internet. For instance, old nude pictures, might become a part of vintage collections, but heck, I stopped looking like that, i probably look better, it was a different life, if someone did continue to distribute them. Of course Iím not mentioning, ďhow many people would I give a dang seeing a pic of me with my clothes off, let Ďem look.Ē

Unless you are some viral hot babe pic, your picture will probably not go very far and the internet being as vast as it is, the likelihood of discovery producing any harmful consequences is not much. Even porn sites get cluttered, "millions of amateur pics!" What are the odds that your old "lifted from another site pics" will be seen on that venue after a short time among millions of pics.

The net's durability is yet to be proved. So far, it doesn't have many old book-like collections, except the rude intrusion by the NSA collecting EVERYTHING. It has always had this "1984" character to it. All of the literature gets destroyed after a while and there is no history, or it gets rewritten. Often it gets buried under the newer references to the same subject. The past gets wiped out and nobody learns from it. There are now, literature collections being made available to the public, like libraries on line, but it is classics mostly and will those sites endure? Even public libraries act like that, tossing all sorts of needed information out. If it doesnít get used like it used to. Attempts are made, but the internet isn't such a good repository.

I like to see that really important obscure Youtube stuff is out there. But there are no guarantees. Somebody tries to make them their intellectual property and just stuffs them away where nobody can enjoy them, or expand their knowledge of history. The commercial movie distributors have a limited selection, based on popularity, which limits what is available, by its "commercial potential" (Remember Frank Zappa, "Freakout"). Good art, doesn't endure like it used to. It gets tossed out at the push of a button.

Popular trends overwhelm the old trends.  Our memories are overwhelmed, which are fallible in the same way, we lie to ourselves, more often than we would prefer. That's one reason that we need access to these libraries, repositories and records. In some cases it is like book burning. One man's rubbish is another man's valuable.


So, I figure that my website has an important message and I'll keep it up in order to keep informing people about it. Still, there is the trend for most of it to be ignored. People see the new stuff, but much of the older stories, which are just as good and some maybe more relevant, are not read by them. So, I wonder about the value of posterity.

Wordpress was even promoting rebranding and refurbishing old popular stuff and republishing to increase traffic, keeping the site active. Will we be influenced by that trend?

Then there is all of that old stuff that you don't want out there that just won't go away.

At least, I have an ass kick collection of memories on my website that will be wonderful to look back at for many years, personally.
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Re: On Saving Naturist Literature
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2019, 08:31:35 PM »
I've found a lot of old literature on topics I'm interested in, mostly things that have been copied and published by some library. Some of it is a couple hundred years old. But it can be difficult to find as well as frustrating when you can't find something. On the other hand, there is an amazing amount of contemporary stuff, too, things that are published only on the internet. But I'm limited to English language publications for the most part. The trick is finding it. Things published on the internet might also be frequently updated. What I need is a high-speed printer, lots of paper and toner. That's just about the only thing I miss about work.

There is also Wayback but it's shallow, in a manner of speaking, in that it usually doesn't go below the first layer of information. YouTube videos are even more likely to disappear. I don't know what those who created the internet had in mind but a permanent storehouse of human knowledge may not have been part of it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2019, 08:29:40 AM »
I think if ever there was an example of the Law of Unintended Consequences, the internet is it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2019, 02:13:22 PM »
I think the AANR maintains a real library of nudist related literature. Quaint, having actual books and magazines.

If you want to learn something new, read an old book.

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2019, 10:34:01 PM »
Quote from: Peter S
. . if ever there was an example of the Law of Unintended Consequences, the internet is it.
You said a mouthful there Peter S.
There are many historical examples of that.
Gunpowder was originally used exclusively to entertain the Chinese Emperor.
Discovery of the New World resulted in the obliteration of several civilizations, etc. etc.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2019, 10:36:00 PM »
I read and article a few years ago talking about this subject. It was about all the data that has been collected over the decades since the beginning of space exploration, 60 yrs. or so. It isnít that long but in the space age, the amount of data collected is staggering and the article was discussing not only how much there was but how much is already lost or irretrievable.

Data from satellites from the 60ís and 70ís was recorded differently than now. The programs to read and organize it so it can be studied are old and canít run on newer hardware. Data written on tapes or hard-drives degrades over time and the format info is lost. Tapes and hard-drives are lost or misplaced, etc. etc.

Even today if the NSA IS recording everything, it has to be maintained. A hard-drive periodically does a read-write to each sector in order to refresh the information. It would be like taking pages out of a binder holding a report of some kind, cleaning them checking to make sure itís complete and not putting it back exactly where it came from. Otherwise it would make no sense to the next reader.

I wonder sometimes if the gnomes of Zurich have enough hardware to do that indefinitely. Eventually data will be lost and the story will make less and less sense to contemporary readers.

Itís called entropy. And to my knowledge no one has found a way around it.

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2019, 10:57:38 PM »
TNS's NEF National Education Foundation has a library in Wisconsin and there is one in Florida, too. There is one in Eden in Clifornia, but I don't know how it is doing.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2019, 11:36:57 PM »
I agree with JBG's first message, but then I can't help thinking--as interesting and informative as this site is, it's still just he same few middle-aged (and older) men chatting away. Are we really offering anything useful to the world, or are we just amusing each other?

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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2019, 11:55:37 PM »
We have hands down added to the world. Read my post today on everyday occurrences about the dermatologist visit. Ignorance abounds.

Surely you jest? I'm not here just to amuse myself. Of course some more than others will banter during thread drift.

Look at the list of topics and read again. It is a first hand repository, a how to and a self help inspiration.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2019, 12:24:30 AM »
I can't help thinking--as interesting and informative as this site is, it's still just he same few middle-aged (and older) men chatting away. Are we really offering anything useful to the world, or are we just amusing each other?

Does it matter?  We are offering eachother fellowship, common interest (of being naked), information and entertainment.  Good enough for me, John.  And long may it continue :)
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2019, 01:07:06 AM »
Are you bored with us, John P!  :D  Do you see us as that group of codgers on the porch, sippin' iced tea and repeating the same old fishing stories because no one has done anything new?  ???

Inspiration comes in many flavors. It doesn't have to be flashy trips to foreign lands, although I love it when you do that and then report on it. (keep it up)

We could certainly try to work up a get together somewhere, though I don't have a clue where.

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2019, 01:15:51 AM »
I am here for entertainment and to engage in conversations, virtual though they may be, with others of similar interests. I felt lost for the time the forum was down a few days ago, as I expect others did, too. I think I need an outlet like this. I participate in a couple of others but they aren't like this one. Not in the least. I imagine that other nudist-related forums are more for those involved in club activities or who go to resorts and beaches, which doesn't sound like things people here do much of, at least given the name. Anyway, I'm glad readers tolerate (for the most part) my non-conformity and oddball opinions and references to historical subject matter.

It might be nice if ladies participated, too, as well as younger people. But I guess they're out doing things that they'll be talking about in twenty or thirty years. I do appreciate, though, comments from overseas.

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2019, 01:18:51 AM »
A renudion? A FRN International Gathering? By definition would that be like herding cats?

One of these days, when all of this shifting in my life gets out of the way, I'll be in England on my way to Greece. I'd hope to do a sort of Larry thing. That was very fun.

So, any ideas where an FRN gathering in the west might take place?

My bucket list also includes returning back east for a visit (several places and people to see) after decades of absence, an epic road trip, hiking, camping and counting trees and cornfields...naked.

Eyesup, we're a relatively close proximity.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2019, 01:22:35 AM »
We are, and now that life has calmed down a bit I can be a little more wide ranging. Getting out of the heat here is not as convenient as Tucson is.

Something halfway like we did a couple years ago? I'm not that familiar with Arizona's offerings.

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2019, 01:25:33 AM »
I'll PM. I'll talk with DF. My life is unpredictable right now, but I'd hope for a couple of days in the mountains of Northern Arizona. Right now, the monsoon is very goofy...fricken climate change.
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