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Re: More on drones
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 10:03:36 PM »
A secluded beach is getting surveillance! Don't people go to secluded places for privacy?

The cop mentioned how many complaints, but for what? Up to a dozen for various activities were what he had people complain about. How many complaints were actually about nudity? He doesn't say, but that is the thrust of the police activity, no mention of drugs, theft, just some nudity.

How many complaints were about nudity? How many people frequented the place who did not make a complaint? Is there justification for violating everyone's privacy because up to a handful of people out of how many, a thousand, or more, actually complained? Nobody is being protected, a very minor number are the only ones being served at a vast majority's expense.

Yup, this is what police de-funding is about. Military equipment, that's where the drones come from (FEDS), being used, for an unpopular social issue. It is the legacy of zero tolerance, which is why there are peaceful protesters being rioted upon in the streets by heavy-handed police fascism, everywhere, right now.

Then a perfect example of racial discrimination to top it off. They went to the black ones first, because they stood out, as black is the easier target, and the problem in a racist policeman's mind. Police don't have to have a racist intent, to do a racist act. Like many instances, it is unconscious programing of stupid ignorant police officers and the unjustified force that they are wielding.

I like the way that the pigs felt a need to leave. That they were feeling unpopular. What did they expect, those people who went there for privacy to thank them for violating their freedoms? Perhaps, these publicized police riots are emboldening people to stand up against police repression and strong-arm and military tactics. People are seeing the truth at last. Things are escalating. We should not fear the police and their brutality. We should be protected and served by government, not dictated to and abused, by the few and the hoax, called the "rule of law."

So, I'm glad to see people on a beach standing up for everyone else and other's body rights. We all must support each other, from BLM to a nude beach. The common enemy is the government's overreach and totalitarian efforts.

It reads that the complaints are coming from "residents." This is a "public place" so just who are these "residents?" Do they have more police authority than "non-property owners." Voting is exercising of rights. The constitutional law decided a long long time ago that you don't have more power in the government because you own property. Property ownership can't be a requirement to exercise democratic freedoms. It's a principle, not some specific law to voting. So, a few can not dictate over the rest.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2020, 11:27:02 PM »
You summed it up pretty well jbee. It's hard to maintain mentally in the midst of what's going on in the US today. I have always held a prejudice toward club nudists. Holing themselves behind high walls and first name secrecy. I'm starting to understand where those feelings came from.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2020, 02:48:21 PM »
When you see a drone, stand up, smile, and wave.   The more often people see other people naked the more common and accepted it becomes to be naked. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2020, 10:55:55 PM »
When you see a drone, stand up, smile, and wave.   The more often people see other people naked the more common and accepted it becomes to be naked.
Since I don't carry a gun when I'm out nude, that's about all I can do.

We have spread "bird" fingers with both hands, I've bent over and spread cheeks. When one got close, I picked up a rock, but it got away. You know that I like your strategy generally, Bob, but I don't think that invasion of privacy, particularly by ANY law enforcement is the same as spreading the word and normalizing nudity.

Being followed around and stared at rudely, when I obviously want some solitude is justification for violent action, even tracking back to the perpetrator and taking direct action. Remember 1984 when they got caught in the woods? Drone surveillance is not a popular idea. What I do when nobody's looking is nobody's business but my own. It is a wholly unjustified police state tactic and a step way over the fascist totalitarian line. It justifies revolutionary action, when policing becomes an occupying military use of force, or to put it differently, when law enforcement become the domestic enemies of the Constitution.

That interviewed cop seemed nice when interviewed, reasonable, but underlying he is a zero tolerance pig, who knew that a vote was coming up, which is another example of his abuse of power. The action was likely political.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2020, 11:18:22 AM »
Calling the police 'pigs' isn't going to change anything. And if you're on a public beach, there is no expectation of privacy. And what you do when nobody's looking is, well, not necessarily okay. People notice you more than you think.

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Re: More on drones
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2020, 06:41:24 PM »
Calling a political "pig" a reasonable person is not going to change anything. A pig is a pig, an action. I'm calling him out. He abuses power and people's rights, which are two things that are unacceptable, even if he is pictured on his front porch in his shirt sleeves, instead of his jack boots and black uniform.

If this is such a "public place" then people wouldn't be going there to be nude, would they? The fact is that the prevailing standard in that area is live and let live, as the woman describes. The stronger point is that my nude body is NOT a wrong thing. There is nothing reasonable in defining it as wrong.
 
Even in any public place, following people around secretly and taking movies of them, or following them around with a camera is a violation of privacy. Try it out sometime, follow someone around with a camera and see what happens. I suggest a cheap camera. Follow a big guy around. The "pig" is a bully with a camera.
 
I think "people notice me more than I think" is not an argument, when the argument actually is, so what if they notice me. I have my rights. There is NOTHING "wrong" with this body.

What one does when nobody is looking is nearly always okay.

There is real-estate value entering into this "public beach." There is nearly always real-estate value in the equation when somebody wants to privatize a beach in any way. Usually a few wealthy wielding power to override the many and take over, like aristocrats waving away the troublesome rift raft.

Writing comments just to be contrary and conflicting will get you conflict.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2020, 09:51:11 AM »
"what i do when nobody is looking is my business "  is not either true or helpful.  what you are doing could be an illegal activity,   which law abiding citizens would expect law enforcement to take an interest in.

indeed i for one would welcome more policing on uk beaches.

 the biggest perceived problem on uk naturist beaches is people having sex in public,   theres basically zero police activity so the practice goes unhindered and just drives away the vast majority of naturists who dont want to witness this activity leaving the general public to believe that all nudists are exhibitionist sex maniacs.

im just glad that in the uk , at least in rural areas, we have a vastly different perception of the front line police  than that that appears to be the norm in the usa.


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Re: More on drones
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2020, 03:36:00 PM »
the biggest perceived problem on uk naturist beaches is people having sex in public,

I've always thought that the biological union of male and female is beautiful to watch.    Other forms of sex are obscenities and shouldn't be tolerated.  Just my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2020, 11:31:11 PM »
The UK has a notable tradition of police work. There is a civility, they used to not even carry guns, they were protect and serve on the front lines. I would suppose that perception of UK police would be coming from those traditions. This is apples and oranges to the militarized police, dressed in black for combat, nervous, drawing their weapons at ready as they make traffic stops. An encounter with an American trained cop is most likely to be, a control, subdue, guilty until proven innocent, even humiliating and often a scary threatening experience. This is not a few bad cops, this intimidation is their training. Sadly, a friendly, or reasonable civil encounter with an officer happens in spite of the training. It does happen, but in spite of training.

I'm in process of writing a letter of thanks, for sheriffs officers who responded to DF's concerns, because I was saving battery in airplane mode, very sick with Covid in a tent and alone, out in the middle of nowhere. They drove out into the wilderness to find me and check on my welfare. They were attentive to DF, who was hours away in Tucson, with Covid herself. Their intentions were simply and obviously SINCERELY to "Protect and Serve." They were just glad to not find me in serious danger. We were both deeply touched. They wore green and brown uniforms.

When Federal officers are deployed as an occupying force, suppressing freedom of speech. When protesters are voicing intolerance for heavy handed militarized police tactics and racism, and then getting more heavy handed militarized tactic in response, it gets me very uppity. I'm sworn to uphold the Constitution, but these powers, sworn to the same, are spitting on their duty and need to be fired, or hung, stripped of their positions and the system overhauled.

Even UK is in cahoots with the NSA and its spying and creation of an anti-democratic police state data base. Seems that UK people are much more tolerant of CCV surveillance. Here, it is just the manifesting of "1984."

So, the sheriffs were more rural. They don't need a swat team to raid a home, flashbang grenades, teargas, Ron Rea-gun's no knock warrants, or intimidation, or any other abuses of power.

However, we have a community of 25,000 retirees in Oro Valley, out by Tortolita. They have a swat team, surveillance, full military equipment, armored personnel carriers and riot gear that they got from the Federal government. When we were protecting our borders in the Town of Tortolita, they had 24 hour clandestine watch on a road sign, that we had a court order to pull. They swarmed down on me, after I inspected it to see what it would take to pull. I came back with a 150 Tortolitans to show up and pull that sign as they watched. I think that this is a fair example of how out of hand armed force has become in the USA. My next door neighbor, Mexican-American with an cool old Chevy P/U truck, got stopped in that town over thirty times, for no reason, but what he looked like. I had "Tortolita" plates on my van. I was regularly stopped and harassed to be intimidated. I think that these bad elements will be found in both rural and city situations. It is common and an abuse of power. I might add many other examples, particularly out of sleepy suburban Oro Valley.

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Re: More on drones
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2020, 04:28:39 AM »
JBG, if you said that the illness you suffered from was Covid-19, I missed it. So you went out on your extended camping trip and took it with you! How miserable for you. At least you survived; plenty of people haven't. And DF too. My sympathy to both of you. Let's hope your recovery will be complete.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2020, 07:45:47 PM »
She tested negative a couple of days before we left for the wilderness. I just got a positive a couple of days back after waiting several for results, after being tested on about day ten. We both had nearly the same symptoms, mine lasted longer.

Yesterday, I had just a lack of breath, when I would breath deep enough to check. I got some stuff done cleaning the new house and felt gratitude and hadn't felt like doing much of anything for about three weeks. I'm doing a sweat tonight. The virus doesn't like over 130F for much more than 20 minutes on surfaces. I'll be breathing 200F into my lungs, feeling the burn for three sessions. Two days after symptoms end and I'll be enjoying grand daughters birthday! We are both grateful to apparently had milder symptoms, but it sucked.

Predisposed health and attitude seem to make a difference. She probably got it from a co-worker or patient, I wallered in bed in contact with her for days. I read that an effective dose and how sick you get, depends on the number of particles that you breathe initially, like the size of the loading dose. So, I don't know why my symptoms lasted longer because of all of the misinformation and misunderstanding.

People seem to be concerned about that small number that die, three times the number of troops in Vietnam over all the years is incredible grief and there is concern for overwhelmed hospitals, but people negate or diminish all of those that get so very sick and survive, or are turned away from hospitals. The illness really sucks, it was uniquely different from the rest, and left me with unknowns. We don't know much of complications and longer term effects from the abuse to a body. Yea, 57,670 died in Nam, but what about guys like Billy down the street in a wheel chair. The focus is on death, not suffering.

DF's face was very very swollen to look at, her eyes slits, reflecting the severe headache. Inflammation can screw things up long term. That intense headache went on for days. People are sitting at home enduring it all with no care, or odd care measures. For example, nobody is told to take ibuprofen for the swelling, people are told only to endure. Another example would be, when to take a sweat, or even to take one or not. Then, my friend laying alone in a bed for three weeks, isolated from everyone, on a respirator, expected to die, abandon all hope, or survival unknown. That's traumatizing enough to mess people up long term, and makes for miracles of faith for others. Stuff like that isn't or can't be assessed.

We're really naked to this thing. We're lost in the woods naked and the cold is coming and light of day is ending, we can endure, but nobody really knows where to look for us. It may suck, it may really suck, or you could even die. I'd suggest avoiding it like the plague. :D
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2020, 08:44:01 PM »
My heart aches reading your plight Jbee. I am very pleased to hear that the worst appears to be behind you and dear DF. I hear other stories of the toll this pandemic takes on others. I can't fathom the ignorance cast freely by so many.
Yes, this disease must be avoided at all costs. The suffering isn't just in the numbers. Each statistic is amplified through loved ones and lives forever changed.
I try to imagine life after COVID, but that will have to wait. We are a long way from there, and must survive first.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 12:35:43 AM »
You have both had such a hard time and that comes on top of your other various health challenges in recent months.
Heartfelt wishes for your recovery, friend.
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Re: More on drones
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 03:51:44 PM »
I'm sorry to hear that you and wife are suffering Jbee.  Its been a rough year for you two.  I wonder if either of you took Hydroxychloroquiine early in your contact with the coronavirus? 
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