Nude in Public

[jbeegoode]

There is no actual law enforcement in my area, only the fear of it. They're too busy. When we call, nothing gets done, or like a homeless encampment, it takes months for action and then the homeless move back in the next day, Now politicians want to limit protective guns and drive up the price of cheap Fentanyl, diminishing protection and then significantly amplifying crime!

There's a big police complex/campus that replaced an old K-Mart two blocks from my place. Police drive by my house on their way to somewhere else every day. Otherwise, I could use the driveway and the rest of my property nude.

They flat out told me they wouldn't come, as I filmed a guy destroying public property in front of my house and still in the act. I wonder if equally, they'd respond to a report of nudity, if that wasn't flat out in their face?  Maybe I should have told them that I was naked, or he was?
A couple of years ago, when my neighbors workshop was robbed, he had cameras film them with the goods and got their names. They said there wasn't enough evidence! After a while, they did a couple of more similar crimes in the neighborhood and got arrested, booked and released. The judge dropped the charges. lack of evidence, even though their fence with a storage locker full was popped with them. (the neighbor got his stuff back. The neighbor found the stash, not police)  Later, a group of neighbors jumped them and beat them on the street and they left. Then, got arrested for something a while back and haven't been seen. Crime wave over.

A cop said that you can get Fentanyl hits for $2 to $6 bucks on the street. My neighbor is very civic and drove around in a patrol car with him. They don't enforce use, they showed him a guy at a bus stop using under  a newspaper. When he was done a cop was right next to him, no arrest. Blew the bug-eyed dope's high, I'd guess.You have to be in the middle of a violent crime, or running a red light to get action, it appears. Resources are "too stretched", "overwhelmed", they say with sympathy, they blame the courts system...you've heard it.

I suspect that I could get away with more public nudity than I think, but then that being so iffy and actually illegal, it would only feel like a risk for a risk, instead of a sense of liberty. Probably a thrilling rush of fear, rather than comfortable, as it should feel. Just like more trouble.

I don't use trash service, and I don't get my mail here, so I seldom get out front of my wall, anyway. I occasionally nude escort my guests to their cars in the drive, but as I listen for coming cars, their speed and note my placement, in case it is one of those cops. I have taken note and have been watching down my drive. At fifty cars probably and only I don't think once, did  I see anyone looking back my way. There is  visual disruption until you are right at my drive and then the wall past it. A person would have to look nearly 90 degrees to the side to look up my relatively long drive. Only if the neighbor across the street, over the canal and the next street were to come out to leave in their car would there be a spotting. A group in the drive often provides a quick cover behind someone. I think when the weather changes, I'll start sitting down the drive and count the side lookers and do some actual stats. The other issue is foot traffic,  kids coming home from school, eyes on screens, headphones, etc. It needs some liberation. I used to be free out there at night, until I fixed the security light. It is automatic, but has no on and off switch and we couldn't find the electric source to change that. This house's wiring is wacko, even more than my rabbling sentence structure in this post.

I often have weeds to pull between the brick paving, it looks cool, but stuff does grow into the sand in the cracks.. I'll consider placing a car in the drive to distract, or block view to do that chore. I've been doing it in a kilt. Sometimes these liberations feel right and sometimes they are just a hassle that gets into the way. 

Yea, Bob. Ever hear the India story about the elephants there. At a young age and size, they are tied to a stake with a rope. As they grow into massive workers, they are tied to the same stake, which they could walk away from easily. But, they don't believe that they can and remain prisoners and slaves. That's what enforces much of the law. Law enforcement knows this, even those shouting "law and order ." It isn't that most people comply with law because that is the right thing to do, regardless of the law, Examples, prohibition, speeding etc...A trick for expanding public nudity is to use this knowledge to live around unjust politicized laws. I say this with the caveat that there is a grey, or fine line between this as civil disobedience, or revolution and a criminal mind. People are generally some kind of moral, but a sociopath exercises in the world believing that if it isn't illegal, then it it is okay, with no moral sense...like too many corporate CEO's, or lobbyists who write the laws, or use lawyers to their selfish ends to be powerful at others expense.,or politicians abuse of power. Sideswiping, looking for loopholes in the Constitution against its principles is where I draw part of my line. I don't fake an oath. The Constitution is a document of principle, irregardless of some shyster politician in robes who managed to get on the Supreme Court through the Federalist Society tries to tell me.
Jbee

[Fellsnude]

JBee - your story of lack of law enforcement when we feel we need it reminds me of a story (maybe urban legend) in Britain, of the woman who called 999 one night (our emergency number) to report noises that sounded like an intruder outside her house while she was in bed. After 10 minutes of no police presence she called it in again.

After a couple more attempts she called again. The responder asked her to be patient. She said, "no need. I've shot him". The police were there in a flash. Of course she had shot nobody, and probably got charged with wasting police time.

[Greenbare Woods]

Yes, Fellsnude, that same story goes around all over, with local variations. 

[Greenbare Woods]

Yes, Jbee.  Police rule through fear and violence.  People fear the police even when there is nothing wrong being done, even when it's not illegal.  Just the hassle of police trying to find a reason for an arrest is enough, and a false arrest on phony charges is a significant punishment.

[jbeegoode]

Peter S., Since you are interested, FYI, there is a new feature movie that just opened in theaters across  this country called "The Apprentice." It follows Trump through the 1970's and 80's and his apprenticeship with Roy Cohen, the architect of McCarthyism in the 1950's. Saw it last night, extremely insightful and explains quite a lot.If you get the opportunity.

No need to respond here. I'm just following up on the off topic conversation and don't wish to fall back off of nude in public.
A couple of clips and the trailer can be seen with an interview of the main maker here:

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/10/11/the_apprentice

Bon Appetite,
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

I confess that I sometimes feel a resentment of the unjustified and the natural body's repression inherent in our system. It motivates me, to acts of civil disobedience, to strike back by taking my freedom of movement back. It may be a pleasure in being nude where it is generally forbidden, either sneaky, or more. blatant. It motivates me toward actions, like speaking out, especially online. It makes mandatory clothing more abhorrent than it might be when I'm forced to dress in any ridiculous manner. It steels my resolve and instills issue in me.

These reactions may be from rebellion a form of being manipulated, or my preference of individuality. BUT, it does feel good in and of its self, as well as the sense of liberation and control rightfully over my own life and body.

The weird thing has been, that when actually allowed to walk freely nude in public, without restriction, the experience has just felt natural, not a big deal and the people around me, clothed or not, has been a simple attitude as a matter of fact, with no objection. Having my nature forbidden seems to increase my experience of nudity. I should just be left alone by the law.
Jbee

[rrfalcon]

Jbeegoode asked, "So, Bob, "Not their job (SCOTUS)" Does that mean there was some supreme court ruling that I haven't heard? Please elaborate."

I think there have been several court cases that involved the police not taking action to defend or help people who were actively being attacked in sight of the officers. The courts have ruled that it is not the job of the police to protect individuals, but rather their duty is the protection of society overall. So, yeah, the police have no duty to come to our direct assistance. Their duty is to clean up the mess afterwards and try to identify the wrongdoers.

So, we're on our own. Although there have been places and times (quite recently, even, as in "in the last few months") where the police have been known to arrest the victim who was defending himself and let the actual criminal go free.

[Greenbare Woods]

Jbeegoode asked, "So, Bob, "Not their job (SCOTUS)" Does that mean there was some supreme court ruling that I haven't heard? Please elaborate."

I think there have been several court cases that involved the police not taking action to defend or help people who were actively being attacked in sight of the officers. The courts have ruled that it is not the job of the police to protect individuals, but rather their duty is the protection of society overall. So, yeah, the police have no duty to come to our direct assistance. Their duty is to clean up the mess afterwards and try to identify the wrongdoers.

A few years ago some lady from Arizona sued local police because they didn't protect her from criminal injury.   The US Supreme Court (SCOTUS)  ruled that Police have no duty or obligation to protect anyone.  Their much ballyhooed slogan "to serve and protect" has no factual basis.  Their job is to enforce laws by arresting and punishing violators.  SCOTUS took the unusual step to include a warning to Americans in their decision.  They just say that when they want more tax money. 

[jbeegoode]

I don't know of a SCOTUS thing, but interfering with domestic violence, stopping robberies, and reckless behavior are part of "protect."

My training during my "Conceal and Carry" classes was to not only protect myself, but those around me, like a cop might. It's a Second Amendment principle. Armed, we are not to just stand around and watch somebody get hurt, until our turn to be attacked. A cop taught me this. So it goes for the cops. I think most of them go along with that. They like to think of themselves as heroes and good guys. They are not all cynical, nor discriminatory racist, yet some are Pigs.

The dichotomy of good guys and bad guys seems to be a part of a shadowed psychic in law enforcement, so their personal definition of good people and bad gets exaggerated for some and they step out of their bounds, or follow the orders of unhinged authority.

Unhinged authority happens. Political murders and murders for crowd control and beatings have been policy, from FBI to the president at times within my lifetime. It is now being advocated once again, and this time openly. The last time that open murder was openly done was Jackson and Kent State Colleges, which nearly brought down a president and radicalized a generation and created 3300 bombings across the country. Americans won't stand for fascist un-American stupidity. They won't stand and watch that as government policy. Police can only hide so much wrongdoing and successfully get away with few assassinations.

It has been like incidents in history that have kept fascist from power. They have created historic mass backlash, pushing the pendulum way left in America.

I do remember sitting eating a hamburger in Peru on their Independence Day, after watching a military demonstration in front of the palace as a celebration. A group of student protesters passed by me complaining how the flight paths had been changed to go over the University and were disrupting classes. Crony government actions. I laid down my hamburger when I watched several fall dead from a volley of shots from a military police line. There was no press about this. Nobody knew. The papers were controlled. That evening around the same square, I watched people reveling in national pride, unaware of the atrocity.

People are disarmed in these faux democracies in South and Central America. They are used to poverty and wealth gaps. A minority ruling to desperately hold traditional power over the country. There is a strong fascist movement to bring that here to the USA. So, speaking of trends, historically, things will blow up again, if this trend continues, it will drive the Pigs back underground, again with less power and abuse of it.

There will be liberation of many kinds, as the pendulum swings. Perhaps body freedom will ride in on those coattails, as it has before.

The whole of this time feels gruesome, sad and dangerous. But I believe that more than half of America will not tolerate a police state. I'm sure that ultimately, freedom is considered by them as sacred above fear. That includes American cops and the military.
Jbee       

[jbeegoode]

I dunno Bob, That ruling seems a might short. I can't help but think that there is more to it. This was a civil suit. But even if this  may apply to the role of police that simply, the actual police policy and the reason so many do it has to do with protecting people. It isn't in the Constitution that way, so the SCOTUS would say that. I don't think that there is any mandate for police policy in the framing, only for justice.. Heck, it is more about a well armed militia and that is vague. The role of the police is left up to the state and local and Federal whims and we the people.

In Arizona, there is no law requiring or defining the duty of police. There is just the laws that they enforce. I think that the cops can "cop" out. Cops also decide daily to let people go for minor stuff. They discriminate. Sometimes they make stuff up or bend law out of context, but I don't know that they are obliged to put their life on the line as policy.

There is a thing on the ballot this year to allow a person to withhold taxes equal to what it cost them to do the job of the city government that isn't done. Maybe she should have sued the city?
Jbee

[jbeegoode]

Yea, Bob, I've slept on it. I think that you are correct, but it isn't SCOTUS to blame. Protect and Serve is only an option and maybe a remnant from a bygone era. The simple "Law Enforcement" seems to realistically define what we are seeing too often. Police are not able to do that very well in the realm of petty crime. And as you say that does help a free range naturist to go about his own business.

On the other hand, when there is an accident, who do you call? When a street signal goes out, who does the traffic control? Then, who do you call when there is a good reason to have a social worker there? Not a cop. So, if they don't protect and serve, then why are they there? I guess I'm back to me and my guns, my walls, my castle, my moat, my neighbors.

Jbee