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jbeegoode

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Body Repression
« on: November 12, 2022, 07:40:06 PM »
I had an old rant that I wrote that has been sitting around. I cleaned up to publish over at my website.

It's about growing up in America and the bad influences both overt and subtle and their affect on our psyche, or inner most thoughts and feelings. It's about the social fabric. I'm out to destroy the fabric of America.

I'd be curious how much of it is found in other parts of the world.

Here it is: https://thefreerangenaturist.org/2022/11/12/body-repression-from-a-naked-pulpit/

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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2022, 12:21:03 AM »
Yes, Jbee
Picking the bones out of your article, I certainly relate to the societal conditioning that is all around and from an early age imbues us with guilt and shame about exposing our bodies.  It was only in my late 50's or even later that I realised that I had had naturist tendencies even from boyhood.  I recall numerous occasions when home alone and I got naked because I felt the urge to.  Some of those, of course were sexual and involved masturbation but other times it was just a desire to be naked for no other reason that what I now recognise today as being the joy and benefits of living naked.  I recall, again from boyhood, when the weather was hot, being bold enough to sleep naked as there was a good excuse for it.  When I went to university, I immediately started sleeping naked because it just felt better and was the only outlet for naturism in a shared house of students.  From that day I have never worn PJs.  But all of these forays into early naturism were clandestine and carried feelings of guilt, perversion, the connotation of nudity with sexuality and the need for secrecy. 

Equally to your description, Jbee, British society did and still does carry huge taboos about nakedness.  It's getting slowly better with the visual media being more open about nudity in some situations with TV series where nakedness is a part of the format.  But in all cases (except Naked Attraction, a dating show where a singleton gets 6 potential dates to choose from that are shown completely naked - the singleton then picks a naked partner and gets naked themselves and then they go on a date fully clothed!!) productions usually pruriently hide the 'naughty bits' either by pixellating them or simply choosing a chaste camera angle.  Such topics as naturism are usually treated with humour, with fun being poked at the naturists for their unusual proclivity.  Only in textual journalism do you find articles where naked living is taken at least partially seriously and the benefits and harmless nature of nudity is recognised.
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2022, 06:29:14 PM »
I had an old rant that I wrote that has been sitting around. I cleaned up to publish over at my website.

It's about growing up in America and the bad influences both overt and subtle and their affect on our psyche, or inner most thoughts and feelings. It's about the social fabric. I'm out to destroy the fabric of America.
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I can't answer about other parts of the world, but I find that "Body Repression" is alive and well at "nudist" organizations in America.  Most American nudists begin every mantra with "sex" in the first sentence.  They are against it and the human emotions that go with it.  They get in fights over nudist clubs that tolerate sexual behavior.  Hello.  We are a VERY sexual species.  That's how we became dominant on this planet.  Dismissing our sexual feelings and functions is Body Repression.

Most American nudists also practice Body Repression about the whole biological process of body waste elimination.  Most "nudist" resorts practice separation of men and women for body waste disposal and hygiene.  They are afraid that someone's behind might touch their precious chairs to the extent that towels are mandated if you don't wear pants.  The Roman Empire built communal toilets in social circles. Today most nudists separate us into hidden rooms, and then into tiny cubicles within the hidden rooms. Body Repression abounds. And, of course, if you dared to pee on their lawn or bushes (the bush would love it), or even their beach, they would toss you out. 

American nudist fear of being seen and belief that being seen would hurt other people is another part of Body Repression.  They warn the public to avoid nudist areas.  They build fences and have gates.  Their "no camera" policies display their body phobia and promote Body Repression. 

American nudists talk about "body acceptance" but in many ways they are as bad or worse at Body Repression than the general public.

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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2022, 09:47:49 PM »
it may be a rant but it rings true, Bob.
There I go agreeing with you again (see Nude in public topic).  Must stop that!  :P ;D ;D
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2022, 01:30:29 AM »
it may be a rant but it rings true, Bob.
There I go agreeing with you again (see Nude in public topic).  Must stop that!  :P ;D ;D
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LOL.  No telling where that will end. 
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2022, 08:47:41 PM »
Not all of the facilities are separated. Some give an option for sharing showers. All have stalls, but some have coed rooms with the stall option. But, it is true, as you say, they haven't all gotten over all the body things.

I think that a part of it is that it is an old enough institution that it grew out of the more repressive times, where they had to overcome a more harsh hysterical society around them. They were under attack and these things were not overcome, yet.

Also, I think that these resort situations are businesses that have to cater to the tastes and sensibilities of their clientele. There is a cultural influence that follows their people into the resort. Most people haven't gotten over waste in public issues, and they probably won't for awhile. A business needs to cater to that. There are upscale, rustic camping retreats, a whole gamut. There are even lifestyle resorts. People enjoy different things naked.

I myself feel uncomfortable wiping my ass in public, even with close friends. It is business that I would rather take care of by myself and most everybody would prefer that I do. The other day in the sweat a young guy was talking about farting in public. He thought the action a good thing, but I had to tell him that natural though it is, I just don't like the smell and please, don't share your bodily blessings.

People were walking off and peeing in my yard. After a couple of times the stuff gets ammonia and smells. I like flowers and grass and mulch, not that. I never do it more than once in any place and generally only to discourage other animals.

I'm not so sure that waste repression and body repression are the same thing. I like bodies, I dislike raw waste.

My friends all genders tend to not be too uptight about being seen taking a leak. I have had to dump in public at a Rainbow Gathering and my preference is still privacy. We do it, everybody knows that. I don't want to watch, or have anything to do with any poo, not mine, theirs.

Oils and tread-marks don't always come clean and they certainly will get on furnishings and make them smell or stain. Unless there is a frequent shower cleaning of some kind, a towel protects that. It isn't the body that is the problem it is that aspect. I put my mouth in such places as an act of love, but the sheets get cleaned. There is also the monthly lady thing that can be a mess. I put out towels, or require them around the house and for myself, too.

I use a towel in the sweat, lots of icky body stuff that we are there to get rid of is left on the seats. There are bodily waste that need to be compensated for. I don't want to get someone else's tread-marks.

If someone squats, like a primitive, is dried with air, lives a more natural primitive lifestyle, then a towel is less of an issue. But, in modern world situations, in these new things, like chairs, and car seats, who squats and keeps off of the floor. Nobody sits on the nice dirty ground, or on a rock, where nature takes care of such issues automatically?

Nudists are people without clothing. They do everything without clothing that anyone else would. Nudist can have whatever cultural differences amongst themselves as they please. They can be sexy, or not by choice. If a resort, doesn't want sexy, then okay. We have a spiritual sweat. It is not a pickup venue, people need to be comfortable and focus on spirit, so frisky is left outside. Part of that is because of the sexy that is outside the walls in our culture.

We can choose how to deal with our emotions in social situations, be it anger, or sex. Both are natural, both can disrupt civil life and mess with others in undesirable ways. It isn't good to repress either, but that doesn't mean that behavior can't be adjusted, or shouldn't be.

When someone goes to the outhouse, everyone knows who and what is going on. When someone puts on clothing, everybody knows that there is a naked person under the cloth. When you get hung up on it, the cloth or the privacy, I think that that is the issue. One is natural and harmless. One is natural, but stinks and is slimy.

I think that the no camera policies at resorts are to protect people from the outside and then grow nudism. The newbies are concerned with pictures. Some have concerns about their outside business. It isn't a perfect world yet, and newbies need some space at first. On the other hand, I don't want people taking photos of me, publishing or sharing them, without my permission, clothed or not. I don't like people staring at me. I like a choice about what I am presented as to the world and not have labels and other's trips put on me. It is just a part of being a social animal in a bizarre social world.

Yep, we agree, you are correct, "American nudists talk about "body acceptance" but in many ways they are as bad or worse at Body Repression than the general public." But then I gotta disagree with some of it.
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2022, 02:44:01 PM »
A fine monograph on crapping privately there, Jbee!
We have very ancient evolutionary taboos about our waste which (I recall from somewhere) were a natural protective against the diseases they bear.
I comment on two points:
First, I agree - the one thing that I want to keep private even in bohemian or intimate company is defecating and cleaning up from that.  As you aver, there's no reason why naked people have to have any more primitive methods of hygiene.  We are modern, civilised people and although we like to be naked, there's no reason why we should behave any differently from anyone else when it comes to how we live and squat.  Because we men urinate together very often, I don't have any inhibitions about urinating in public other than those involved in respect for others and/or complying with others' ideas of decency e.g., if out walking with company, I have no problem having a wee in the vicinity of others, but I will turn away and /or go behind a tree or bush to save their blushes.  Equally I'm not bothered by their micturitions.  But having a poo is strictly my own business ( ;D ).  Bob has published a few videos of him urinating.  No offence to me.
Second: Re evacuating the bladder on the garden.  I think I mentioned elsewhere during this summer, which was very hot in the UK and many areas were and still are in drought, that, on naked outdoor days I took to urinating wherever I happened to be in the garden.  The soil soon breaks down any waste so there was no smell or ammonia or anything.  You must have had a lot of 'discharges' in your garden for it to smell.
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2022, 04:52:55 PM »
Peeing in the garden is supposed to deter urban foxes, apparently. Don’t know where that one started but I think it is just another internet myth.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2022, 05:13:14 PM »

First, I agree - the one thing that I want to keep private even in bohemian or intimate company is defecating and cleaning up from that.  As you aver, there's no reason why naked people have to have any more primitive methods of hygiene.  We are modern, civilised people and although we like to be naked, there's no reason why we should behave any differently from anyone else when it comes to how we live and squat.

Yes, we have all been trained to hide our body function since indoor plumbing replaced chamber pots about a century ago.  It's really what we are used to. 

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The soil soon breaks down any waste so there was no smell or ammonia or anything.  You must have had a lot of 'discharges' in your garden for it to smell.
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In Arizona where Jbee lives they sometimes go many months without rain, and they don't water their cactus gardens. The soil gets so dry that water doesn't soak in much.   In places where it doesn't rain the pee can just sit there and turn to ammonia.   Jbee lives an a pretty unique desert where nature has been replaced by technology based human towns. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2022, 06:49:01 PM »
Greenbare "nature has been replaced by technology based human towns"

Yup, interesting way of looking at the facts. Just never thought of it quite like that, but oh so true.

There was in particular a spot behind my old van, soon to be  play space, that people seemed to pick, from the block layers to a few hippie friends who thought that nobody would notice they will pee there. I noticed the scent from a distance after days.

Last week a young woman at the sweat asked me if it would be okay to pee in the yard. She didn't like her waste to be wasted on the sewer system, a save the earth organic kinda notion. When I told her about the composting toilet she seemed happy. She and her boyfriend also like to bend over and point their butt holes into the sun for better Vitamin D absorption. I thought that a novel idea, but haven't researched or given it proper thought yet. I dunno, what do you all know of the topic?

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2022, 02:44:43 PM »
There was in particular a spot behind my old van, soon to be  play space, that people seemed to pick, from the block layers to a few hippie friends who thought that nobody would notice they will pee there. I noticed the scent from a distance after days.

That's understandable.  it's a paved place, not a natural soil place.   It got a lot of urine from frequent use.  It doesn't get rain for weeks or months.  Some is good.  Too much in one spot is too much. 

Some years ago I lived in Los Alamos, NM.  It was a 2 story home on a sloped lot.  The only bathroom was on the 2nd floor.  Often at night while I was watching TV or on-line on the first floor, instead of climbing the stairs I would go pee off the back porch.  Being a sloped lot the back porch was about 6 feet above the lawn below.  Too much pee in that one spot killed the grass below my porch.  The peach tree a little farther down slope loved it. 


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Last week a young woman at the sweat asked me if it would be okay to pee in the yard. She didn't like her waste to be wasted on the sewer system, a save the earth organic kinda notion. When I told her about the composting toilet she seemed happy. She and her boyfriend also like to bend over and point their butt holes into the sun for better Vitamin D absorption. I thought that a novel idea, but haven't researched or given it proper thought yet. I dunno, what do you all know of the topic?

The idea of absorbing Vitamin D with one's butt hole is strange.   Vitamin D is produced by our skin, not absorbed.  While the warm sunshine often feels good on someone's usually shaded butt hole, our back side doesn't produce vitamin D more than our front side.


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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2022, 04:16:12 AM »
I asked him about that method of getting vitamin D. He picked up the information somewhere while reading. He doesn't remember where, but will attempt to find the article. Something tells me that it is unfounded.

Yes, it is a very unusual place for the sun to shine, more pigmented, more nerve endings, tender, or even virgin, but more "D" production?
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Re: Body Repression
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2022, 01:30:30 PM »
Re Jbee’s chamber pots reference, apparently the Palace of Versailles was so short on facilities and long on people, the pladter behind the beautiful wall hanging tapestries was stained yellow.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2022, 05:47:33 PM »
Re Jbee’s chamber pots reference, apparently the Palace of Versailles was so short on facilities and long on people, the pladter behind the beautiful wall hanging tapestries was stained yellow.

I once read that the Palace of Versailles was originally built without any toilet facilities at all.  Residents apparently used chamber pots.  Guests weren't accommodated.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2022, 06:44:06 PM »
Peeing in the garden is supposed to deter urban foxes, apparently. Don’t know where that one started but I think it is just another internet myth.

My cousin told me he had enough of the foxes living under his garden shed. He peed all around the base of the shed and the foxes took the hint and left. I'm fairly sure he wasn't winding me up.