tsns and a reintroduction

[Yorksmark]

Hello...
So to avoid the thread hijacked on safe search , I thought I'd add a new topic to add the tsns pics I have and give a bit of an update since I've not been around vey much for a long time.


Attached are the pics of the Abbey House day out back in 2010...

Blimey is that really 14 years ago?!



So for me living here in that times future, things have changed quite a lot!
I hit 60 last year although I am still at least 30 years less than that in my head!

One thing being a naturist has led me to is a better understanding of my body and that I need to look after it. Until medical science proves otherwise it's the only one I've got!
To that end I live mostly on a plant based diet these days. I have seen a definite improvement in my health and well being as well as reduced cholesterol levels and less body fat.

Luckily don't have to work any more as I retired early after being made redundant at 57 with just short of 34 years with the same company. Happy days.


After my round the world adventure I got together with a good friend and eventually bought a house together with a plan to move when I planned to retire. Obviously that happened well before. So we sold up and moved to France where we now have an old house that we are slowly restoring. We have a bit of land and a pool and my naked times are spent mostly around our own property.
Swimming naked is normal and I'm often naked in the house. It has become the norm rather than the exception. That means I have less naked adventures that I used to, but it's all good. I still wander around the local woodlands occasionally and get that communion with nature feeling just like I always have.

[Yorksmark]

Here's a couple more...

[Yorksmark]

Last one

[Yorksmark]

And finally... Me now at 60. Still enjoying what we all like and what feels natural and should be normal.


Cheers to all old and new friends.

Mark

[Peter S]

Ah, those happy days at Abbey House. The great thing was not just having the freedom to wander round naked with random kindred spirits, but to mingle with clothed visitors who were completely unfazed by the experience - even (whisper it softly) families with children!! Welcome back, Mark.

[jbeegoode]

What part of France are you habituating? Retirement suits us all.

Plant based...that's the stuff that all the longevity studies point to. I'm also at that. Got a garden and I'm getting away into making food from scratch, more and more.

I hope that ypou are about more often. Good to hear from you and an update.
Jbee

[Yorksmark]

Yeah, retirement makes me wonder how I ever fitted work in.. it's an old cliche but it's true!

We moved to the Creuse region about 40 minutes north of Limoges. Where summers are generally long and winter short but sharp, although today (27th January) it's a lovely 20 degrees centigrade

I've eaten meat most of my life and enjoyed a rare steak, bacon breakfasts and plenty of seafood, but apart from the obvious health benefits of eating a plant based diet there is the ecological and hard truth about animal welfare.

Watch "Cowspiracy" , " what the health" "game changers" and "seaspiracy"
It opened my eyes to the painful truth about meat production. A book called "no more bull" by Howard f Lyman is shocking.
Seaspiracy is hard to watch. Non of it is great

It also opens up thoughts of how world governments are ploughing down the wrong road with environmental projects like electrifying transport when reducing meat consumption would have a bigger effect a lot quicker.

Any way I'll stop beating the vegan drum, suffice to say it fits my lifestyle, helps me be healthier and eases my conscience.


Yes we are producing a lot of our own vegetables and fruits.. it would be good to increase that as time goes on.

[nuduke]

Mark,
I agree with you.  Retirement gets no less busy than working life.  However there is a distinct shift towards the recreational!  And I dare say you will find in a decade or so that a significant tranche of time needs to be allocated for medical consultations, tests and treatments!!
It's so good to hear that you have a) achieved the nirvana of retirement satisfyingly early and b) that you have carved out a good place for yourselves.
I am filled with envy!  Warm weather, mostly naked and a pool to drop into anytime you like.  These things are beyond rubies!!
Surely now you will have naked exploits to sing about here so I look forward to the occasional post and indeed on TSNS you were a regular correspondent so again hoping to see you chip in to the conversation when you are relaxing after a long day's renovating!


I always think it's a pity we never managed to get another TSNS convention together albeit that we tried for, I think, 2 years afterwards where a couple of people turned up.  One year - might have been 2012 - there was just Milfmog and I and I think John GW may also have been there.  I have photos of him there. I also remember sitting having tea and chatting to, I think, Davie.  Was it you, Davie?  If not, who the hell was it!? Another year - 2011 - it was just Nib, Cath and I. 
Maybe with our UK members we could have another try at a meet up...but where would it be?  AHG has long ago stopped the CO days.


John

[jbeegoode]

Ethics always seemed like an intellectual enterprise in morality, absolute. My gut tells me that it is wrong to cage and treat living beings only as a production value. Animals living on mythical farms is a grand lie anymore. Animals are used and treated as rows of plants. They have feelings, they suffer, they have social needs just as strong as us. They have just inalienable rights as any human might. What does make us better, or more important?

I'll still eat a small portion of wild meat on occasion, but the feedlots, cages, mutilated health can't be the same. Then, there are those hormones and antibodies in production that can pass on to me. Meat isn't healthy anymore.

Healthy longevity is directly linked to a plant based diet.

Environmentally, meat production isn't efficient use of land and water and resources. It is killing vast areas of the planet.
If Americans ate just one less hamburger a week, we could return the western natural areas back into natural, as all of that destroyed wild space accounts for only 7% of the meat consumed. The rain-forest.How can that be justified?

I'm not vegan, but vegan certainly ain't no bull.

I have a relationship with my vegetable garden and all plants. Goofy as that sounds, my vibe affects the health of that food and it passes that health on to me.Even if my attitude is only imagined, my attitude toward my body and how what is put into it, affects how it is consumed by my body's system. There is biology in belief. Reverence in all relations is healthy for all relations...sorry Bob. No offense or specific disapproval intended.

[Yorksmark]

Ethics always seemed like an intellectual enterprise in morality, absolute. My gut tells me that it is wrong to cage and treat living beings only as a production value. Animals living on mythical farms is a grand lie anymore. Animals are used and treated as rows of plants. They have feelings, they suffer, they have social needs just as strong as us. They have just inalienable rights as any human might. What does make us better, or more important?

I'll still eat a small portion of wild meat on occasion, but the feedlots, cages, mutilated health can't be the same. Then, there are those hormones and antibodies in production that can pass on to me. Meat isn't healthy anymore.

Healthy longevity is directly linked to a plant based diet.

Environmentally, meat production isn't efficient use of land and water and resources. It is killing vast areas of the planet.
If Americans ate just one less hamburger a week, we could return the western natural areas back into natural, as all of that destroyed wild space accounts for only 7% of the meat consumed. The rain-forest.How can that be justified?

I'm not vegan, but vegan certainly ain't no bull.

All very ... Very true JBee
I think as a group naturists feel more connected to the natural world. As such we should be naturally disposed to an understanding of the wider implications of animal welfare. If that is true (which I believe it is) then we should also be more aware of how the meat in the plate is produced and the actual ethical and environmental cost of that. But generally we aren't. I'm as guilty of that as anyone else.we need to open our eyes and have an honest look at what we are being told. What we think we know and who is benefitting from the extremely bad practices that go on every single day to get that piece of meat in the supermarket.

I've said for a long time that if everyone has to butcher their own meat, most would be vegetarian and it's true, but we disconnect the piece of steak in the supermarket from a living animal with senses and feelings. Its time to change!

[Yorksmark]

Fancy a shrimp salad for tea?

https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/food/3d-printed-shrimp-steakholder-foods/

The shrimp market is worth almost USD $70 billion. Moreover, analysts expect it to keep growing over the coming decade.

We dont know exactly how many shrimps are killed by humans each year. Research has suggested that the figure could be 440 billion farmed shrimps, along with 25 trillion wild shrimps. As such, more shrimps are directly killed by humans for food than any other species.

HAPPIEE!, a Singapore-based brand, which launched in 2022, sells realistic alternatives to shrimp, calamari, and squid. It uses ingredients like soy, potato, and wheat protein to create its alternatives and is currently available in supermarkets across the UK.

[Yorksmark]

Mark,
I agree with you.  Retirement gets no less busy than working life.  However there is a distinct shift towards the recreational!  And I dare say you will find in a decade or so that a significant tranche of time needs to be allocated for medical consultations, tests and treatments!!
It's so good to hear that you have a) achieved the nirvana of retirement satisfyingly early and b) that you have carved out a good place for yourselves.
I am filled with envy!  Warm weather, mostly naked and a pool to drop into anytime you like.  These things are beyond rubies!!
Surely now you will have naked exploits to sing about here so I look forward to the occasional post and indeed on TSNS you were a regular correspondent so again hoping to see you chip in to the conversation when you are relaxing after a long day's renovating!


I always think it's a pity we never managed to get another TSNS convention together albeit that we tried for, I think, 2 years afterwards where a couple of people turned up.  One year - might have been 2012 - there was just Milfmog and I and I think John GW may also have been there.  I have photos of him there. I also remember sitting having tea and chatting to, I think, Davie.  Was it you, Davie?  If not, who the hell was it!? Another year - 2011 - it was just Nib, Cath and I. 
Maybe with our UK members we could have another try at a meet up...but where would it be?  AHG has long ago stopped the CO days.


John

I have no plans for I'll health.. I had heart surgery in 2010 to fix a genetic issue and after that I plan to live a long healthy life. My diet is helping and the outlook is positive. Just because we get older does not mean that ill health is a given. Obesity and bad diet are causes of heart disease and blocked arteries. We kill ourselves with our lifestyle.

My thoughts are different to what they were 20 years ago but learning is not just for the young.

I could have gone on drinking too much and eating badly but I have maybe 20 more years of life? Who knows? I can at least do what I can to live well.

In February I will be older than my dad ever was. Which is a sobering thought.. at the time of his death at 60 I was 33. I thought.. hey it's young but not a bad age..

Now...

I would be utterly pissed off to die while I am this young!

Life is good and I am very lucky. I have found a partner who is everything I could have ever wished for, she is the thing that was missing from my life. Yes that includes making allowances for another person's n in my life, but the benefits outweigh the costs.


I hope to be more engaged here as there is a group of like minded people to share and exchange ideas with.

And we all need that.

Cheers
Mark

[jbeegoode]

Fancy a shrimp salad for tea?

https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/food/3d-printed-shrimp-steakholder-foods/

The shrimp market is worth almost USD $70 billion. Moreover, analysts expect it to keep growing over the coming decade.

We dont know exactly how many shrimps are killed by humans each year. Research has suggested that the figure could be 440 billion farmed shrimps, along with 25 trillion wild shrimps. As such, more shrimps are directly killed by humans for food than any other species.

HAPPIEE!, a Singapore-based brand, which launched in 2022, sells realistic alternatives to shrimp, calamari, and squid. It uses ingredients like soy, potato, and wheat protein to create its alternatives and is currently available in supermarkets across the UK.

Fake food is processed food. It's unnatural, unbalanced, lacks nutrient density of fresh real live food. The same health issues result that you'd find in a (SAD) Standard American Diet. When I eat fish, I do it for the nutrition. It taste good, but the purpose of eating is to get food, to function and live healthy. Good taste isn't the goal, it is just...well, icing on the cake.

When I eat live living food it is nutrient dense, I needn't eat so much food, my weight gets less, my body works more efficiently. There is no point in eating fake food, but ethics and corporate profits, neither will truly sustain the quality of my life. When I eat actually fresh, organic, with a relationship with the plant and soil, that food puts down the appeal of even the finest filet magnon, or expensive restaurant cuisine. Just a plain apple is incredible.

I expect a youthful quality of health until at LEAST 90 and hopefully 100. Who said, "Hope I die before I get old." Healthy eating and certain moderate exercise are key. I fast a lot, because of the,good food that I have been consuming. Fasting is another key component to age. Eating a grand colorful variety of lightly cooked or raw foods makes a huge difference.

There is biology in belief. It is the strongest medicinal r tool. Believing that aging and health issues are potential or inevitable goes a long long way toward realizing those things happening.
Jbee

[Yorksmark]

Yes I agree processed food is very bad. The point of my comment was regarding the volume of kills that is shocking.

[nuduke]

I have a relationship with my vegetable garden and all plants. Goofy as that sounds, my vibe affects the health of that food and it passes that health on to me.Even if my attitude is only imagined, my attitude toward my body and how what is put into it, affects how it is consumed by my body's system. There is biology in belief. Reverence in all relations is healthy for all relations

I don't think it's goofy.  Whilst I would want to examine closely any science that said our thoughts influence the way our food develops....because I don't believe in such a thing, nevertheless I can entirely side with your contention that your attitude to what you grow and consume enhances it's healthy effect because your own thoughts can seriously influence yourself and therefore perhaps augment the benefit of what you consume.  And I guess it might enhance the growth of the crop because you are motivated to look after it well physically.

Mark, the 3D printed shrimp article was very interesting and raises a real question in my mind.  Why is it that vegan and vegetarian alternatives to meat are made to look like meat?  What's the point of being a vegetarian when you pretend to be a carnivore with ersatz imitations of meat based foods.  Surely many if not most vegetarians eschew meat and don't want to be reminded of it with such vegetarian meat copying products.  Why adopt the shrimp shape at all?  Why not present the product as something much more vegetarian in intent, say as neutral shapes (discs, diamonds, whorls, pea pods, carrot shapes....or what you will) and present the same  flavours as simply a nice flavour rather than it being similar/same as shrimp or pork sausage or steak flavour or whatever.  I think in that respect Quorn (brand of mycoprotein food Vegetarian & Vegan Products, Meat Free Recipes & News | Quorn) is more 'honest' as they sell it minced, in slabs and chunks and slices etc., making no comparisons or similarities with meat (although I have to say the names of some of their products nevertheless allude to the meat free aspect e.g. Quorn meatballs or sausage rolls). 
John