Encounters...what to do?

[ric]

how would one know that a trans gender person was in the wrong restroom ? ,will they be employing door persons to inspect your your genitals and/or birth ceftificate to make sure your crapping in the right toilet ?

i assume the concern is about someone born male , now appearing to be a woman using womens toilets?   dont these facilities have individual toilet cubicles?


got to say that from over here there appear to be more serious issues with american society that need addressing.... or is this issue being deliberatly blown up to take attention from those other issues?

[Greenbare Woods]

how would one know that a trans gender person was in the wrong restroom ? ,will they be employing door persons to inspect your your genitals and/or birth ceftificate to make sure your crapping in the right toilet ?

I always enjoyed the common sense shared restroom at my favorite CO resort, Valley View Hot Spring in Colorado.   The restroom is also the dish washing sink for campers, and the community bulletin board. 

After going there for several decades I see no need to have separate toilet facilities for men and women.   It seems silly when at other nudist resorts that men and women soak naked together in the hot tub, wander around naked all day, and then go into separate rooms to wash their hands or pee.  The whole controversy is ridiculous. 

Bob

[Davie]

Quite a few naturist clubs I've visited have joint lavatory facilities. Some have the urinal slightly separate. What's the problem?

Davie 

[JOhnGw]

Quite a few naturist clubs I've visited have joint lavatory facilities. Some have the urinal slightly separate. What's the problem?

Davie 

So do most restaurants and hotels in France, the urinals usually being discreetly partitioned from the hand washing area and/or the row of cubicles.
This usually causes some slight surprise to Englishwomen the first time they enter the area and see a man washing his hands in sight of the cubicle doors.

[jbeegoode]

This sounds like locker room use. Where people change costumes and shower, are seen and see other human bodies without cover. "I'm only twelve. I'm not old enough to see a man naked." This child has been obviously conned and been convinced into perversion by perverted parents. It is hard to imagine parents doing such a thing to a mere child. There aught to be a law to prevent people from installing fear and disgust of humanity into children. What's next, bonding feet, genital mutilation, burkas?!? 

This incident happened in Washington State and was robo called in West Virginia, there is a national conspiracy to subvert the very fabric of humanity in this country! The perverts are everywhere, thinking up ways to demonize and en-cage, imprison us in a most fundamental way. This is evil I tell ya!
Jbee

[nudewalker]

I was wondering if anyone in our church group would bring up those calls since it seems that opinions are as varied as could be expected. At first there seemed to be an agreement among most that men have no reason to be in the woman's locker room but then another voice spoke up and said they had listened to the call and stated it was "obviously a child actor reading from a script" and the second call was in response to a local television story and made while it was still fresh in our minds. And opinion ended  split; however we have a number in the group that have traveled to Europe and are familiar with co-ed bathrooms, topless and nude beaches and the overall attitude toward the body there. The telling part according to those who were upset by the call was that the police were not called.

West Virginia is a rather odd collection of people now. Both panhandles have enough exposure to big population centers to have more of an open mind, along with the north central part near the university. The rest of the state seems to be mostly Bible Belt types as far as my travels have let me to believe. I'm sure those calls will have an impact in those counties. 

[Greenbare Woods]

Quite a few naturist clubs I've visited have joint lavatory facilities. Some have the urinal slightly separate. What's the problem?
Davie 

When I vacationed at Cap d'Agde a few years ago the restrooms on the beach were separated.  Naked men and women came off the beach and went into separate rooms.  My wife had to come out and ask me how she was supposed to use the "squat" style plumbing, face toward the wall or away from the wall.  I had no idea.  "Whatever works," I said.

I have also been to Pagan events in the US where a single toilet room is shared by everyone.  Cubicles, and showers with common dressing area.  Nobody seems to mind. 

What seems to be the biggest complaint is where they have separated men vs. women toilet rooms and then have the "wrong" kind of people in each one.  My own experience convinces me that if we just had one common room (At Cap d'Agde, Wal-Mart, and elsewhere) everyone would get used to it in about 5 minutes and that would end the problems.

Bob

 

[Davie]

The ladies showers were our club meets were being repaired, so everyone used the mens which meant going passed the urinals. Generally speaking the men were more concerned about this than women.

We found some toilets abroad with separate entrances for each gender which then entered a common area!! Daft.

Davie 

[Peter S]

While the exposed flesh aspect of using the facilities may not be a problem for naturists, not everyone wants to share the experience of evacuating bodily waste.

Peter

[Greenbare Woods]

While the exposed flesh aspect of using the facilities may not be a problem for naturists, not everyone wants to share the experience of evacuating bodily waste.
Peter

I suppose its all what people are used to.   The Roman Empire often constructed public toilets in conversational semicircles at their "baths" so that people could sit and chat about the day's events while taking care of body functions.  In pagan Brittan the outhouse toilets were often long affairs with several "holes" to be shared by all the neighbors.   But today's homes are often now constructed with a locking door on the bedroom, a locking door on the bathroom inside the locked bedroom, and a locking door on a tiny toilet cubicle inside the locked bathroom.  You can't be too private for activity that is the same as everyone else.

Western "civilized" people are just not used to it.

[nudewalker]

Two occasions come to mind with the bathroom/shower issues. First was in the seventies where the factory I worked at hired the first female workers in the production area. On the first day a group of five came into the locker room to shower after work. I directed one female to a nearby empty locker and continued to undress and then led her to the communal shower. Some of the men already in there covered their genitals, rinsed off the soap and left. The rest of us, with two females present, continued about our usual routine and talked about the work day. The next day a portable shower was set up for the females due to the number of wives that called the union hall to complain.

The other time was at a concert venue where the line for the ladies room extended quite a way outside of the door. So a good number of women decided to use the men's facility. Unlike individual urinals there was a troth that ran the length of two walls and a number of stalls with toilets. Also unlike most venues the stalls were only walls, no doors. As my girlfriend at the time noted, "when you gotta go you gotta go!".

As Bob noted, "it is all in what your used to" when it comes to those things. Even my wife wants privacy from time to time as the mood strikes her. W took quite a few steps backward from "civilization" when the idea of communal baths was more or less outlawed by the early church. 

[jbeegoode]

It seems that for the most part, women's restrooms are much less messed up than where the men go. Where there is only one or two private restrooms, they are less messy. The conclusion is that men are more restrained and polite about their messes when sharing with women. Just my experience, no actual wider data. I could be generally wrong.

However, in the old SANS group, there was a motion to request that men pee sitting down, generated by the females, for obvious reasons and given strength since some of the women were hosting events in their homes. It seems that older guys drip longer and shake more. The request, which was presented to be an actual rule, was discussed. How would anyone know about cheating, and some men took it as a snip at their masculinity to have to sit down "like a girl."

Toilet issues do create many and varied opinions.
Jbee

[JOhnGw]

If I'm naked I tend to sit down anyway, to save the trouble of aiming.   

[jbeegoode]

Trouble! I was raised to strive to perfect marksmanship. I participated in pissing contests in the boys bathroom at several schools, growing up. From when Momma would make a big issue if did it like a baby, instead of a BIG boy, to not wanting to get it on my boots, to penmanship as I signed my art in the yellow snow, to just learning to be polite for the next person as I matured, it was something to be mastered. To not stand upright and proud is to diminish a guy's manhood!...or so the story goes....
It is  a male thing from coyote to shitzu to lift a leg and mark territory, from cat to bear, to the odd hairless one and it should be practiced. Ya never know when you'll need to make your mark and do it with flair, attitude and properly with measurable skill! 

Besides, nude, or pants hanging on a bush, squatting in the woods leaves my feet defiled half of the time.
Jbee

[Greenbare Woods]

It seems that for the most part, women's restrooms are much less messed up than where the men go. Where there is only one or two private restrooms, they are less messy. The conclusion is that men are more restrained and polite about their messes when sharing with women. Just my experience, no actual wider data. I could be generally wrong.

When I was in college my female housemate was supervisor of a janitorial service at the college.  She opined that the women's toilets are always a lot more messy than the men's rooms.  That is consistent with what I have read elsewhere. 

However, in the old SANS group, there was a motion to request that men pee sitting down, generated by the females, for obvious reasons and given strength since some of the women were hosting events in their homes. It seems that older guys drip longer and shake more. The request, which was presented to be an actual rule, was discussed. How would anyone know about cheating, and some men took it as a snip at their masculinity to have to sit down "like a girl."

When a standing man is peeing into a sit down toilet instead of a standing urinal there is a splash which is greater than occasional drip or aim violations.  Some aerosol droplets get spread several feet in each direction.  Each droplet is quite small and may not be noticed. 

By comparison, in public toilets many women do not sit.  They "hover" according to plumbing industry reports.  The first woman makes a little splash on the seat.  The next woman comes along, sees a splash, doesn't want to sit so she leans back but stays a few inches off the seat (hover). I have had this behavior confirmed by numerous women. Women have higher stream velocity and less stream cohesion than men, more splash, more spray, more mess.   It could be that your SANS hostess was blaming men for mess created by women.  Women's public toilets are invariably more messy.   Homes ought to have stand up plumbing for men anyway.  Asking men to sit because nothing is provided for men is insulting.

Toilet issues do create many and varied opinions. Jbee

Yep.