Encounters...what to do?

[Greenbare Woods]

To take up Jbee's remarks:  There are few indignities more undignified than dropping your trousers in a public cubicle and finding the floor wet!  I am vigilant if I can't avoid a public closet.  I don't drop'em or juggle 'em or struggle - I just take em off and squat on the seat (if there's a hook on the door!).  Better position for daefecation anyway.  If no hook then vacate to an adjacent stall or hover over the seat (don't like that, mind you).

Since I quit wearing shoes or underwear it is fast and easy to remove pants in a stall.  Freed up legs makes it easy to position my knees farther apart when sitting, and that makes body function work better. 

On the subject of urine and urination, the increasingly irksome habit of washing one's hands after a wee has become a societal habit of pure genteel politesse.  It is apparently unnecessary as there is insufficient chance of infection transmitted from just having a wee, that makes it an ok risk.  I remember back in the day, nobody washed after urinating in the mens.  (Mind you, maybe they got sick more frequently). 

Wash before you eat.

However, the real rationale for washing is that when toileting, it’s possible to have fecal bacteria get onto your hands.  Fecal coliform bacteria escape with flatus (fart) and indeed there is a small but fair concentration of fecal bacteria in your boxer-shorts region and in toilet atrmosphere as it is released when others defaecate.  If you are in a cubicle, when you flush, even if only urine, the flush water can release an aerosol of bacteria as it churns and splashes.

However, Bob, before I light your blue touch paper, I am aware that the risk is not high!  More to the point, I also read a scientific article a few years ago that a very good way to help avoid colds and particularly flu during the season is to keep one's hands clean and wash regularly during the day.  Apparently it is much less likely* that one will contract flu from the aerosols of coughing or sneezing infected people.  Apparently the virus is equally* or more often* acquired from things we touch e.g. handrails and door handles and then transmitted via the inevitable contact with our own hands that we have during eating and other activities (such as picking your nose!! ) .  So handwashing is de rigeur for prevention of infection (as medics will aver).   Now, I have to say I can't recall where I read that (but I know I did!) so I can't give you a link to verify ...but hey. google it yourselves.  (Asterisked* are unsupported assertions from that memory).

Some studies now say that the recent fastidiousness with sterilizing hands has caused more serious disease by reducing the body's day to day contact with small amounts of contamination.  The hand sterilizers that became common in grocery stores, etc., a couple of years ago have vanished.  Touching the shopping cart may spread bacteria but not much. 

If I'm in the shower, I have no compunction if I want to urinate. It's 99% water and a bit of salts and no bacteria as above.  I have had a discussion in the past with a group of friends in a pub and found I was the only one not to some extent repelled by this!  I thought everyone peed in the shower at some time in their lives!

My first wife told me that all women pee in their shower but many won't admit it.  The woman's pee dribbles down between her legs unnoticed and is washed away.  A man's shower pee often goes out onto some surface so its more noticeable, but no more hazardous.   I suppose your pub mates are part of the don't admit it bunch.

Bob

[nudewalker]

I'm not going to try and quote everyone just add a few observations. According to my very educated sister in the medical field the use of hand sterilizers has only given those little buggers more of a chance to adapt and evolve toward becoming a super bug. That along with the overuse of antibiotics has only added to the problem. As she puts it the only place to be aware of hand washing is in a hospital; and that is mostly to prevent cross contamination. Most important thing is to avoid hand contact with eyes, nose and mouth as that's where the bacteria gain entry. As for urination, you will find more germs on the bathroom door than in your urine; unless you have an infection of course. And the place in the hospital with the most germs? On doctors neckties!

Bob is quite right that by not wearing underwear things are much simpler in bathroom stalls. And Jbee, if kilt wearing ever catches on in the southwest you'll find that makes life much simpler. It is easy to unwrap, hang it on the hooks then rewrap after; no fussing with trying to put pants back on, dancing on one foot and trying to avoid puddles on the floor.

I won't even get into peeing in the shower. I think the pub mates are too afraid to admit their tendencies; much like many are afraid to admit they like to be naked. Also Davie, thankfully this thread had not reached the level of toddler "poopy" humor!   

[Davie]

Also Davie, thankfully this thread had not reached the level of toddler "poopy" humor!  ]

Yet - please spare us that!!

Locally hospital doctors have stopped wearing ties. Just be careful of their pens!

Davie 

[eyesup]

The use of antibacterial solutions in all sorts of products has done more to reduce the body's ability to defend itself against common everyday bugs than anything else. The human biome is a robust environment. It's why you get sick easier if you're body's defenses are already compromised by other infections.

Pioneers from all over the globe made it across thousands of miles and months of travel while taking care of "business" every single day. More died of exposure to severe weather, lack of planning and skill sets or conflict with the people they were displacing.

I doubt very many died from contamination.

Duane

[eyesup]

Have you ever been to the theatre or an event and been to the john in the interval . . .

I've been to concerts where the lines to the women's restroom were so long that the men's rooms effectively became communal.

The men, those needing only to get rid of cheap BEER, used the urinals and the women used the stalls. It was no big deal.

Duane

[nuduke]

I have found that lifting one leg of shorts ...is easier than dropping my shorts

Note: This only works for urine!
John

[Greenbare Woods]

I have found that lifting one leg of shorts ...is easier than dropping my shorts

Note: This only works for urine!
John

Yes.  That was a reply to a quote about using a urinal.   For anything else, and with me being barefoot, its quick and easy just to step out of shorts or pants and hang them on a hook.

Bob

[Safebare]

Okay, I'll bite. All of this talk about bathroom etiquette gets my eyes to roll. But I came across a trough in a truck stop earlier this week. I thought they were phased out years ago, but there it was. So I stepped up and proceeded to do my business. Another 'gentileman' entered and paused very briefly, weighing his options, before taking the stall to relieve himself. Just didn't want to use the ample space beside me. For whatever reason. We lost something in society where two males can no longer stand side by side to piss.

[nudewalker]

I read something about the vacant urinal rule in men's restrooms that one is supposed to leave a gap between users! Maybe this homophobic thing is going too far, first showers now urinals.
 

Okay, I'll bite. All of this talk about bathroom etiquette gets my eyes to roll. But I came across a trough in a truck stop earlier this week. I thought they were phased out years ago, but there it was. So I stepped up and proceeded to do my business. Another 'gentileman' entered and paused very briefly, weighing his options, before taking the stall to relieve himself. Just didn't want to use the ample space beside me. For whatever reason. We lost something in society where two males can no longer stand side by side to piss.

I have not made it to any of the new venues in the nearest "big" city to me which is Pittsburgh PA. I remember the old arena had trouths in the men's room and I also remember women using the stalls when the woman's line was to long. I miss those days at the "igloo" but despite the 73F (about 25C) today we are expected to have snow on the ground this time tomorrow!

[JOhnGw]

.. .. .. ..  Another 'gentileman' entered and paused very briefly, weighing his options, before taking the stall to relieve himself. .. ... .. ..

In that case how did you know he wasn't Jewish?

I couldn't resist the typo.

[Safebare]

Must have been a Freudian slip up.  Thanks!

[jbeegoode]

http://www.bn.org.uk/activities/frn_experience

I saw this listed. It is from BN. Is it one of us?

It has good advice. He walks in Sherwood Forest a lot and has a good relationship with the warden. Anybody live in that neck of the woods in that neck of the woods? It sounds like free country. Is that a lot of area?

His remarks and cautions are scary. I'd think that he might scare off people from free range hiking.
Jbee

[milfmog]

David is very active in his area and has been educating the ranger who look after the local publicly accessible land. in the past he has suffered at the hands of some of Bob's blue-clad bully boys, the case was eventually dropped, but not before it cost him an immense amount of worry, stress and hard earned cash.

He now has a large area that he regularly walks naked and will happily take along more or less anyone who contacts him in advance. He's not an enormous distance from John (Nuduke).

Have fun,


Ian.

[John P]

See this thread:
http://freerangenaturism.com/forum/index.php?topic=808.0

Someone should persuade Dave to become a member here.

[eyesup]

. . . I came across a trough in a truck stop earlier this week. I thought they were phased out years ago, but there it was. So I stepped up . .

There is an old family owned place outside of town called "Bonnie Springs". It's one of those tourist places where they stage Old West Melodramas and sell all sorts of western and mining themed junk. You can also go on hikes up into canyons and take horseback rides. There is a kiddie train you can ride up to the place if you park at the lower parking lot. We used to take the kids there. They loved it.

There is a restaurant there that makes a killer hamburger, at least they used to. It's not fine dining by any stretch. The restrooms there are at the other end of the adjacent room. If it's not busy, it's a long walk across a vacant concrete floor. The doors have the requisite man/woman indicators made of old pioneer clothing and have old screen door springs to keep them closed. If it were a new place it would be retro. It's not retro, all original stuff.

In the men's room, take a deep breath before entering, there is an old claw foot tub for a group urinal. If it were any farther from the wall it would be a circle of . . . well you get my drift.

Back before the boom and before we had kids we would go out there in the winter, buy hot coffee/alcohol drinks, sit around a fire pit in the dining area, kick our feet up on the stones and just relax.

It's been a few years since I was there. I wonder if it's still the same?
Fun times!

Duane