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Pete Knight

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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2015, 03:44:06 PM »
It's sad that the ideas and suggestions for quick cover-ups were lost when SNS fell off the internet, so perhaps we can start again.

I'm in the process of starting an online business providing such items of apparel for naturists, and I'll be taking a closer look at the links later, but I'm particularly keen to hear suggestions for cover-ups. I hope to be able to make prototypes for trials, and if I decide to market a particular design suggestion the originator will get a free garment. I'm also considering naming them after the person who suggested the design e.g. The Karla.

So, thinking hats on, and sketch pads ready.

Because I'll need to make a viable business I'll also be looking for designs useful to factory farmed naturists. This was inspired by the garment I acquired many years ago in Spain. I bought a hooded Moroccan dish-dash that I found extremely useful for those late night gatherings in a clubhouse or around the camp fire, useful as a sit on instead of a towel,  and easy to slip on when walking back through the cold night air to my camp site.

I'm open to suggestions for any kind of garment that would be useful in a  naturist environment. Obviously there are off the shelf clothes that will do, but why compromise when we can design something specific to our needs.

Pete

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 11:06:41 AM »
Yay!

Well my ideal hiking skirt would have the following:

  • Velcro or tie fastening for putting on really fast, but no slit up the side showing bare leg
  • it looks like a normal skirt
  • No pattern or anything so it goes with anything and neutral colours (beige, green, charcoal grey) so it doesn't attract anyone's attention
  • Not restrictive for leg movement, a pencil skirt stops you from making large steps onto rocks or up rock faces
  • But long enough that you don't have to worry about flashing when there are textiles around or sitting on a chair when you haven't had time to put on underwear
  • Ultra durable material that dries quickly and doesn't fray on the mountainside (the stuff outdoor trousers are made from)

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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 05:11:43 PM »
I remember an article of clothing that my ex-wife had which was called a wrap skirt. It was as if someone had made an oversize apron that wrapped about one and a half times around the body. Then there were ties to secure it. It was in what my wife now describes as an A-line so since it overlapped there was no slit plus it was long enough to cover and sit. If memory serves me it was a heavier cotton material and it had to be ironed following washing so it would form properly on the body plus get the wrinkles out. Fabrics have advanced; no iron being one of the better ones and the newer material that is outdoor friendly. I'm sure if you search old sewing patterns the basic concept would be found and an update with material and Velcro may be the answer for Karla. Pete, if time allows later I will search to see if my mothers cache of sewing patterns yields such a treasure. 
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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 09:06:05 PM »
That's a start, thanks Karla.
It could be a while before I can produce a prototype,  but you will be the Guinea Pig for the  'Karla freehikers skirt'.

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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2015, 09:18:36 PM »
I look forward to it Peter. The requirements may seem arbitrary but as a woman you also get judged on your appearance by other women and you want to wear something that looks OK and which goes with whatever top you combine it with. There are very subtle rules about what works together. For example, if you have a bright top you won't want to combine it with a bright skirt. Your age determines how short your skirt can be etc. Each item of clothing needs to work together in an overall theme which will include hiking boots. So above the knee, comfortable, neutral colour that goes with anything, tough material that doesn't crease etc.

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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2015, 02:23:09 AM »
So a simple all purpose wrap-around, just won't do.

It has to be just so?  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2015, 04:44:42 PM »
The search of old sewing pattern revealed two that may be adapted for Karla's purposes. Pete if you can find Simplicity pattern 5032 or 9976 I'm sure the ties could be removed and Velcro added to the waist area. Karla, not being the fashionista that my wife and mother are perhaps these styles are too outdated but as they said everything comes back into vogue!

"So a simple all purpose wrap-around, just won't do.

It has to be just so?  ;D

Duane"

Unfortunately no. There seems to be a list of unwritten rules that govern how a woman presents herself in the presence of other women. There was a program on the cable channel called "Fashion Police" where many of the rules were discussed. So with all the females in my life there is an understanding what Karla is looking for as a dual purpose garment.
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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2015, 09:30:00 PM »
I wear this. It sounds like what Karla describes, but for the color. If you use it for hiking then the camouflage fits. It is too hot for around here in the summer heat, but I could certainly see me wearing it in Scotland. You live in kilt country, it is perfectly acceptable, if not proudly ethnocentric. Mine has a broad tough band in front housing a thick Velcro strip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DIGITAL-CAMO-Camouflage-MENS-WOMENS-Utility-Hiking-KILT-Size-Small-to-XL-/390842145953?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=660243076720&hash=item5b0001dca1
There are many more kilts on eBay. Try “camouflage kilt.”

The drawback is that it catches the wind because of the amount of material.

I might suggest rethinking the exposure problem. Ladies wear skirts that blow up in strong winds. They are used to hassling with that in public, but out on the trail the etiquette is much different. In both places nobody gets arrested for an accidental Marilyn moment. The rethink might be to ask oneself, do I really mind. I mind if others get uncomfortable, it is considerate and I’m conditioned to be that, but is that just? There is an imposition placed upon us to wear coverings that needs to be broken. If someone is upset or uncomfortable, that is their problem, their responsibility to deal with, not mine. They are not considerate of me, and I have a right to my natural state. If they happen to see my covering flip up, so what? I wore the kilt in a high wind situation in a Native American ruins recently. I was having trouble when climbing necessary ladders there. A couple were giggling and so was DF, but what could I do? Just stay there and wait for the wind to blow through? I felt all of the ingrained embarrassment, but should I?  I resolved that becoming unconditioned would make sense.

If I’m climbing stairs/hills/rocks with others below me, they can watch me instead of their footing and fall on their face for all I care, because it is not my responsibility. It is not my actions that caused them to watch. They need to change out of stupid. Just think what it would be like in Bavaria instead of Scotland and how one might feel about being seen nude by passersby.

The guys wearing kilts are famous for being bare under them. I would expect that to be expected AND for the ladies. I seldom wear the kilt in social situations, just pumping gas, fast food, get out of the car and walk into a friend’s house before disrobing again. There may be some reasoning to need or feel need to sit properly, but accidents happen and nobody gets arrested unless they are naked AND there is complaint.

There are cuts where the skirt is tight until it reaches the thighs and then the pleats begin. This keeps the whole of the unit from flaring up past the waist, gives little restriction of movement and is easy to sit ladylike in. I saw these styles on the women in old jungle movies. I’d bet that one could be found in a vintage or used clothing store, great for something cheap to throw on out on the trail every so often.

Karla, it sounds like you are planning to wear a top with the skirt and I assume with a backpack. I have noticed in your pictures that you wear your backpack chest strap. DF seldom does and me too. She wears a light button up shirt and just pulls it together when people pass. If they put two and two together, sure they know that she is hiking topfree, but also they get the message that it isn’t for their benefit and she is legal. Actually, most often, if anything, she wears just a long men’s dress shirt and nothing else, pulling it together. It is short, but she is covered, legal and with the same message except that not just topfree, but nude hiking is a good thing.

One has to ask oneself, “Do I want to keep a secret, or do I want to be a free range naturist, or even ambassador. “ Another decision, “Will I hide my free activities, OR accept that my naked body will be seen sometimes, my nude body is a good thing and most people are okay with that.”

When going up a hill, you can either move away faster, or stand to the side and let them play through so they are not looking up.
It isn’t that enjoyment of running around naked is illegal, it is more that one covers up when they are in the presence of other hikers that might be (but most likely won’t) be offended. Most contact with others is a very short time, seconds or a couple of minutes.
Anyway, on the trail, I plan to be away from others, but I carry a sarong to cover and uncover quickly, or use it to cushion my shoulders from a strap, or protect them from the sun, or to sit on, to lay on, to cover my head, to become a makeshift canopy to shade when resting. It is light and versatile. A woman can arrange it to cover her breast, etc. during encounters, and then leave it open, pushed behind her away from legs, the rest of the time. I have a video showing 65 different arrangements for a sarong. Try youtube.
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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2015, 02:20:37 AM »
To those that use kilts/wrap-arounds.

I have toyed with the idea but don't know much about them.

Is there a difference between a kilt, hiking skirt and a wrap-around?

If so which is best? I would most likely be using it on hikes and camping trips, possibly around the house but not for use out and about.

Duane

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2015, 10:30:52 AM »
Duane,

I have a number of kilts that occasionally get used for hiking but typically only if I expect to be hiking dressed. They are relatively heavy and bulky to carry. If I want to hike naked and need to carry a cover up garment (I usually do) than I have a wrap skirt, no pleats but unrestrictive because the two front aprons can move relative to one another. This is fastened with press studs ("Snaps" to our American friends) and I can put it on without breaking stride in about three seconds. I usually carry it rolled up and stuffed through a couple of loops of elastic cord on a shoulder strap if I'm wearing a rucksack, so it is quick to deploy if required. For shorter walks without a pack it will either be in a small bag or just in my hand.

I do have a Mountain Hardware brand "Mountain Kilt", this is a wrap skirt made from ripstop material and very comfortable but due to the wide aprons it has fastenings part way down each thigh as well and so takes a bit longer to put on. Despite being called a kilt, this does not have any pleating. Sadly, it has now been discontinued by Mountain Hardware and replaced with the inferior "El Kommando" kilt, which is three times the weight due to pleats and heavier material to hold the pleats.

Hope that helps,


Ian.

PS In the warmer weather a sarong is a good option, but may take a little longer to fasten.
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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2015, 05:28:24 PM »
Thanks, Ian.

I'll have to look those up. Like you I prefer lightweight, cool (not the fashion meaning) and easy to remove and put on.

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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2015, 06:23:45 PM »
Without taking away this thread from it's original purpose of providing Karla an appropriate garment I must throw a plug in for Scott who has his own site to provide running kilts.
http://www.runningkilts.com/ not only does he sell them but he also provides a pattern so one can make their own. After I sent him a picture if a cammo patterned one that I had made he sent back tags with his website so I could advertise for him. Another great advantage is once you enter the water it is easy to roll it up for as close to skinny dipping as one can at a textile venue!
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Re: Hiking skirt (and other clothes quick to change out of)
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2015, 09:01:35 PM »
I went to most of the sites mentioned here and a couple I picked off of a Google search, and most all offer kilts of the styles with all the colors and designs of Scottish traditions. I was hoping for a shorter, neutral color wrap that goes on and comes off quickly with either snaps or velcro or both.

Most of the kilts I saw were too long. They were at or below the knee. I suppose if you were wearing it out and about that is fine, but on the trail I would be only interested in a necessary cover in a pinch. Since I've never worn a dress or a skirt I'm not sure I would like anything down that far. Too constricting.

The site runningkilts.com comes the closest, though it appears that it also is a continuous waist with elastic banding. I guess if it's quick it will have to do. There is no purchase option icon on the site. Do you have to conduct the transactions by email?

Maybe I'll wait till Pete gets his design up and running or get my wife to make one for me.
The runningkilt does look comfortable and closest to what I want for purchase, instead of making my own.

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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2015, 09:10:10 PM »
I've taken all the ideas on board and I hope to come up with a prototype next February/March.

A simple kilt type wrap made from a light, quick dry material in neutral colours, with quick and easy fastenings seems to be the general consensus.

Any sketches or example photos would be useful, for the kilt and any other garment suitable for naturists in any environment!  I'll set up an email address for this project,  so get your thinking caps on and sketch pads at the ready!

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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2015, 10:02:34 PM »
I have a bath wrap something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Izod-Terry-Shower-Black-37473-onesize/dp/B00XUUU9PI/ref=sr_fsl_cat_softlines_brand_0_2/182-9165547-4736542?&s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1436815462&sr=1-2-fed_softlines_strip_1&keywords=bath+wraps

http://www.amazon.com/Majestic-International-Mens-Shower-Wrap/dp/B00TUEDFP4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_193_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=1QS53JKDVE4FWZBFE9AY

http://www.amazon.com/Boca-Terry-Mens-White-Velour/dp/B009VNB70E/ref=sr_1_28?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1436818539&sr=1-28&keywords=bath+wraps

It is lighter and thinner than terrycloth. It breathes much better than my cotton camo kilt. Most of the pictures on these Amazon adverts show a longer version, Mine is a mini shirt length. It goes high enough on the thigh where they widen to make my leg look more masculine and gives me more air.

It is tighter than a kilt so it doesn’t catch as much wind. It also can be held down in a gust easier than the kilt, I found to my embarrassment one day at a vista point. On that day, blatantly in public, I felt a bit nervous, because unless I looked, I couldn’t really tell where it was. I only felt the waist.

Mine has three snaps which are a problem to find and line up in a quick pinch. I have thought to get one made using it as a pattern (it is extremely simple) which has a Velcro waist and much more adjustable. I also would like a less bright, even camo color. It can be used to cover and hide my stuff stashed, when I take off for a short no backup or no water excursion on a whim. It stretches along the waist-back for comfort and doesn’t ride up.

I use it when walking in the driveway when my weird neighbors are about. I have carried it hiking. It is very light and bundles up small. It gets me from parking to natural cover well. I use it draped on my shoulders snapped in front on my chest. The waist around my neck. This wards off too much sun and comforts the shoulders from straps from my equipment. I can sit on it, use it as a kerchief, or a shade hat.

It looks like a guy in a polite wrap cover, but could be taken as "hey, that's a dude in a mini skirt" in some places. For some reason it doesn't make me look like those models pictured above, or an extra from a gladiator movie.

The slit, hidden by the front panel still gives me much leg freedom of movement.

Twenty-five years ago, my lover gave it to me with concerns for her 5 year old son seeing me naked so much. She was an ex- topless dancer, a very kinky bi-sexual sex addict, who would call her son in while we were in bed, unless we were occupied. Strange sensibilities.
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