What's your reason?

[eyesup]

Aside from the spiritual benefit, one of my main reasons for nudity is, the obsession with clothing and all the rules and cultural significance attached, eventually changes peoples behaviors and attitudes to the point that they becomes accepted as de facto.

If it was just another manifestation of a personality, that would be one thing, but to elevate this to the point that you are judged simply on appearance is at minimum irritating. I tend to become stubborn in the presence of lazy thinking.

Duane

[jbeegoode]

Aside from the spiritual benefit, one of my main reasons for nudity is, the obsession with clothing and all the rules and cultural significance attached, eventually changes peoples behaviors and attitudes to the point that they becomes accepted as de facto.

If it was just another manifestation of a personality, that would be one thing, but to elevate this to the point that you are judged simply on appearance is at minimum irritating. I tend to become stubborn in the presence of lazy thinking.

Duane

AND there's the sweating that doesn't evaporate, the stuck smell, the general discomfort after being spoiled by the natural state, the bag fulls of sand in the crotch, the lack of flow, the electromagnetic cling, the trapped heat on a hot day, the hoops needed to protect clothing, the expense, fashion demands, disguise of personality, the symbol of oppression, the slur to the nature of our humanity, the laundry, the extra baggage on trips, the sexual titillation that gets in the way of a relationship, the armor, the sexual identity confusion, the dishonesty, the fear ingrained to be without,  the...Yes, sing choir, sing.... 

[shwetap]

  I remember when I was a new teen and first feeling such things for myself,   just the simple act of laying in bed naked under a blanket and uncovering my rear to the air would feel "sexy"     

   Yah;  I think my original reason for going naked was the sexy feeling.   But now it's entirely different.   

I was feeling guilty when I first took off my clothes and sat on the sofa reading a book and later cooked food sans clothes.

The guilt was in fact that it had been a long time that anybody had seen my naked and as I felt good about it when I was standing by the window and a few heads turned as soon as they realised that I was naked.

The people were at a distance and they thought it was an illusion that they had seen a naked woman by the window.

I sure felt sexy and may be as I get used to being naked I might get used to it.

[Greenbare Woods]

I had this post ready for posting and didn't get to, so here it is here. Besides, it's not quite noon here and the temperature is 110°.

I was reading on another site and I ran across this statement about being naked out in public or nature: "I find being naked in a semi-public place very sexy. It should be daring and risky."
                                                                               
"Sexy, Daring" and "Risky"

This may be true for some, but not me.  I go out to do naked hikes for the calm and relaxed feelings I achieve when out in nature or at home. It has more to do with finding a place of peace and calm. I have noticed recently that the more technology begins to impinge on my world the more I yearn to head out to remote parts and toss all the gadgets and clothes.
Duane

Asking "What is your reason (for being naked)?" is the wrong question and asserts that clothing is the default condition.   WRONG. 

Naked is our natural normal state of being.  It needs no reason.

The real question is, "What is your reason to hide your beauty behind layers of ugly fabric?"   Why do you fear to be seen as a human?  What sickness forces your kind to cover yourselves even in the noonday sun, even when fabric and skins hold bacteria and stink, even when mother earth and father sky long for your freedom? 

Yes, it feels daring and empowering to disregard the power of a shame based culture and reclaim our natural beauty.  Yes the gentle caress of mother earth and father sky causes us to feel alive and sometimes sexual like a hungry animal.  And yes, we sometimes risk the heavy hammer of a sick society punishing us for daring to be ourselves and out of their control.  But that is not the reason to be who we are and that is not the reason they attack us.

Why do we hide behind fabric or skins?   I throw off those cultural demands as often as I dare to be free of them and their sickness.  I am not imprisoned, nor sick and ashamed of being me.  I no longer accept their irrational and unhealthy reasons for clothes.

I have no reason to be me in the world.  I am who I am and I always will be.  That is creation, not reason.   What reason have they to deny my creation and shun my body?   That is the question. 
 
Bob

[jbeegoode]

Woohoo! Well put Bob and beautifully. I may quote you some time.

I drop my clothing as soon as I walk into the door, and often before. I am liberated, I feel real, I feel alive, I feel natural. I stay that way until I leave. I take every opportunity to feel free. Clothing is not a natural state.

Guilt for being one's self is not a natural state. Sometimes sexy and being free and enjoying all the sensuality of a natural state are combined. If being free, feeling your natural sensuality, were only felt previously during sex, it would associate as sexy. If the only way to feel in a socially accepted way your natural true being is a part of sex, then sexy will be associated with just being nude, or naked. In time, one will feel, will know their God/ Goddess/ however you see it, given right to be human. Then, they will see sex in the context of being nude, instead of nude in the context of sex, or sexy.

Our societies social requirements place undressed, undressing, feeling the sensuality of existing in a body as only something that is a part of sex. The idea is that all of that bodily humanity is sex and sexy. This is simply not true. It is as silly as believing that the world is flat. All anyone has to do is to take an open mind to a socially nude venue for a few days, or even few minutes and it is apparent. Nudity and sex are not generally the same, but sometimes when nude, one may feel sexy.

I'm glad that our new friend got a buzz. I hope that there is no more guilt for such a normal understandable reaction to cooking dinner as a natural person and being seen.
Jbee

[nuduke]

Bob,


Your customary incisive thinking encapsulates the normality of nakedness in eloquent and clear terms or, as Duane puts it - 'Woohoo!'

These two posts are parallel to what I have just posted in Becoming Nudist at 50


John
PS This feels like the correspondence of yore!

[jaybirdsen]

Yes mindfully walking nude in nature allows for a peaceful introspection and communion with the universe and all its creatures.  I find at some point of a nude hike the data dump of everyday nonsense is like no other and the closeness to God and nature unsurpassed.

Jim

[eyesup]

Not so much wrong, Bob, but one of many to try and deduce why the demand is to cover up.
So, your answer to the question would be, “Because it’s my natural state!” A legitimate response. Unless of course you are standing on tundra or in the middle of the Sahara (desert not casino).

In a culture and society that demands clothes, the question is perfectly reasonable and understandable. It asks what is your reason for IGNORING convention, not what is your reason for violating a natural state. It isn’t framed to establish clothes as a 1st principle. But since conventions are cultural phenomenon, not a legal ones, changing those conventions will be a tougher and longer battle.

Your assertion that people who think differently are somehow “sick” and as a result of that free thinking, want to conduct their life based on that belief, flies in the face of a free and independent people. If they wish to do whatever it is they are doing, they should be left alone to do what makes them content. It’s a free country and people are free to box, wrap, insulate themselves or retreat into whatever private world they choose as long they don’t try to legislate that private universe into reality. And so it goes in a free country.

Duane

[eyesup]

I agree, Jim.

When I take off on a hike I start with a quick pace and as I go I begin to slow down and start to notice the landscape. The longer I walk the more I am slowing down and noticing what is around me. It is calming and that induces introspection on my part. In an environment so quiet and remote it probably is a natural response for the human mind to find something to do.

Duane

[Greenbare Woods]

Your assertion that people who think differently are somehow “sick” and as a result of that free thinking, want to conduct their life based on that belief, flies in the face of a free and independent people. If they wish to do whatever it is they are doing, they should be left alone to do what makes them content. It’s a free country and people are free to box, wrap, insulate themselves or retreat into whatever private world they choose as long they don’t try to legislate that private universe into reality. And so it goes in a free country.Duane

If freedom were the norm then THEY would not be demanding that I conform to THEIR sick clothing compulsion.   THEY are taking away freedom and oppressing everyone, forcing conformity to their strange unnatural behavior.

You are right that "a free and independent people. If they wish to do whatever it is they are doing, they should be left alone to do what makes them content."   I'm not forcing anyone to give up their strange behavior.  I'm asking for freedom for people who wish not to do it with them.  By your argument WE should be left alone to do whatever makes US feel content. 

Freedom either works for both people or you don't actually have freedom at all.

Bob

[eyesup]

I agree with that! Talking across disagreements is absolutely necessary for this to work.
Therein lies the problem.

Duane

[nuduke]

Picking up this thread from last month, I have had a few somewhat contrary thoughts of late.  I greatly agree with Ian Milfmog's eloquent exposition of being naked in nature as the ultimate destresser and reiterate my own description of the very special non-sexual sensuality of being naked.
But recently, I've been wondering what it's all for.  2 weeks ago I had a quiet day, my wife was away and the weather just about ideal for a walk in the woods I discovered a few months ago (and have been back to but once since).  I was that day naked at home and busy with assorted chores and other tasks, none of which was urgent.  But, you know, I couldn't be bothered to go.  I felt very traitorous to the naturist cause that we all embrace but I really couldn't see the point of getting dressed, preparing appropriate backpack kit, driving out and then being stressed by the usual need to keep vigilant.  This weekend we had a similar day but again I couldn't be arsed to get out on a weekend day when everyone would be out walking too.
Again, a few weeks ago, whilst naked at home with the wife away for the day, I was naked at home and quickly donned some sweat pants and a polo shirt to answer the door to a friend who was calling briefly.  We had a coffee and a chat and they left.  I went back to what I was doing and some time later realised I hadn't undressed again.  I could have done everything I was doing (mostly household chores) just as well naked but I had 'forgotten' that naked was best for a time.
I thought I might try an AHG day but it's a very long way from our new residence and the pleasure merely of the run of the grounds again was insufficient to rouse the sleeping sloth.


Am I becoming less of a naturist? 


Well I have equally to report on the other side of the balance that in the same period since the last post here (early September) I have had an equal number if not more naked domestic days, naked gardening and being outside in our property, working in the garage and several days generally annoying my wife by not getting dressed for as long as I could blag it after getting up in the morning.  I have also begun to ignore her dislike of my being a smooth naturist and have not even retained the few polite tufts that I salved her objections and have become totally body shaved which I like much better than hairyness and which is definitely more sensual (in a naturist way) when I am naked.
As ever I yearn for the freedom that Jbee and DF find, for the courage to hike almost anywhere that Ian has and also for more secluded places to roam.  Yet I seem never to strive very hard for those goals and to be retracting into a cosy, unexciting and restricted domestic world.  Am I in fact becoming a nudist fraud, not fit to engage with you doyens of the proclivity?  Why do I feel bad about not being bolder yet unmotivated to become so?
I'm not even naked while writing this! (although that is unusual - I do think that it is in some way respectful to you good people and to the naturist cause if, at minimum, I engage in the forum in the attire that is appropriate i.e. nothing).


What do you all think?


John

[Davie]

My reasons for being a naturist are I guess many-fold. I feel comfortable, I love the breeze across my body. I love the freedom and the companionship of other naturists. I suppose I could get quite philosophical or go on about the health benefits. I could say how relaxed I feel but I'll paraphrase an old and now passed away comedian Dick Emery who without doubt would have said, ""Ooh, you are awful - but I like you!"  to "Ooh some say it's awful but I like it."

Davie 

[Peter S]

What do you all think?

I think you may be having an off day, or a few seasonal blues, John. I understand exactly how you feel - sometimes, even though a perfect opportunity has presented itself for some free-ranging, I just can't be arsed. But hey, we're doing this for the pleasure of it, and if it's a case of doing it for the sake of doing it, then it loses that pleasurable spark.

Check your bio-rhythms, you might find they're all on the down ... 

peter

[jbeegoode]

Am I becoming less of a naturist? 


  Am I in fact becoming a nudist fraud, not fit to engage with you doyens of the proclivity?  Why do I feel bad about not being bolder yet unmotivated to become so?
I'm not even naked while writing this! (although that is unusual - I do think that it is in some way respectful to you good people and to the naturist cause if, at minimum, I engage in the forum in the attire that is appropriate i.e. nothing).


What do you all think?


John

Lots of people are domestic nudists. I suppose that is okay. Lots of people are couch potatoes, so you could be worse. You are getting comfortable at home nude and are being spoiled by the comforts, I suppose. That's easy to do. When you do get bored, take a walk naked. It perks up life.

I can only speak to my life. I'm naked. I've spent so much time naked that clothes are not a habit and silly. Once they are on and I'm in public, I generally forgte that they are there. That's pretty much what you did when your friend came by. I never seem to forget that everything is better naked. I forget that I am naked, probably from the same set of human characteristics. So, Your "freakish" behavior can't be a disqualifying criteria. As Fritz Perls, used to say, "Too much mindfu..king."

I have most days as opportunities for naturism. It is right out my door. I squander multiple opportunities each year. I'm spoiled,its a norm to be naked. Sometimes I just don't feel like getting it together. The vigilance is at times a pain, a hassle, but others, it is a wonderful game afoot. The packing, or driving isn't today, it ca be another day.

It all depends on my attitude. When it has been difficult for a while to get out and enjoy nature, that good breeze on my body, etc., I am ready for it and I appreciate it all much more.

I make special trips, plan them, explore new places and look forward to them. Each is memorable. A hike, a campout, a day, a week at it, I try to make it special for both DF and myself.

My spiritual connections lack when I don't get out in awareness. As for the hassle of stealth, we're now moving into interesting new territory, without stealth. That will be exciting and interesting, too.

DF last weekend went out of town and met a girlfriend there. She did her first long range solo carnuding. It just didn't feel as good with pants on. She knows better. She kept the top on for the convenience the lack of the hassle, but eventually went the rest of the route totally naked.

You may be less a free range naturist, but anyone standing naked in his backyard on a crispy evening ain't no fraud. We are all naturists.

You may be feeling less like getting out free range, because you are not doing it enough to get a positive response. I always keep my pack, water jug and shoes handy, and ready to go.

 It is more fun and relaxed doing naturism with a somebody.

This business of tapping on the keyboard with clothing on is concerning me, however! Get that ivory butt of yours out before I take the rod to it. Shame, shame. shame!!!!

Otherwise, I know that you are suckering yourself out of a lot of fun.

"Why do I feel bad about not being bolder yet unmotivated to become so?" Because deep down, you know that you are loosing out on adventure in an otherwise too safe life. Think Bilbo. Your greatest adventure has yet to come. You also like to be one of his pack of dogs.

Yup, mindfu..king. Get out and have some fun, naked. You DO know that you like it.
Jbee
 AND one more thing. If you actually enjoy walking/hiking with clothes on after walking/hiking with clothes off. Either you are not walking at all or you never have. I think that you have been neglecting nature. All you actually need is a bottle of water, maybe shoes and a kilt and you are out the door. Snap out of it...snap out of it....wake up nuduke...Its us bro...Its Jbee and DF...you must be having a bad dream....